mazaje:

It is quite possible that we can do greater things than Jesus, for what is written in the Bible about him is poetically embellished.

— From W. I. Hermanns "A Talk with Einstein," October 1943, Einstein Archive 55-285

Jesus said "greater works than these shall he do because I go to the Father" (John 14:12).  Einstein was not far from the truth.  Here is another quote of Albert Einstein that will establish which God he believed in:

"I want to know how God created this world.  I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element.  I want to know His thoughts.  The rest are details." (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, page 202). 

How else can we know God's thoughts if not by studying God's word and God's creation?

mazaje:

About God, I cannot accept any concept based on the authority of the Church. As long as I can remember, I have resented mass indocrination. I do not believe in the fear of life, in the fear of death, in blind faith. I cannot prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him, I would be a liar. I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws.

—W. Hermanns, Einstein and the Poet—In Search of the Cosmic Man (Branden Press, Brookline Village, Mass., 1983), p.132, quoted in Jammer, p.123.

Mass indoctrination as in the RCC and other established religions are dangerous.  Blind faith is what is being practised in established religions such as evolutionism and all religious, educational and political institutions who indoctrinate their faithfuls with this demonic theory.  It is true that God created all laws, natural and moral laws to guide us and we are all going to be accountable to Him because He is the law giver, atheists will have nowhere to hide.  The 'powers that be' will do all they can to silence the voice of truth as we are witnessing even on this thread.

mazaje:

The global flood remains a myth. . .The great pyramids of Egypt, for example dates to the 26th century B.C., 300 years before the biblical date for the Flood yet no sign in Egyptian inscriptions of this global flood around 2250 B.C. The Egyptians (among others) have written records dating well back before 2250 B.C, no?. . . .

It is the evolutionary assumptions that is used in interpreting the results derived from radio carbon dating that remains a myth that we should be addressing here.  Evidence for the global flood is all around us.  John Baumgardner, a PhD geophysicst and biblical creationist, has a sophisticated computer model of catastrophic plate tectonics, which was reported in the journal known as Nature and his assumptions for this model are founded on Noah's Flood as recorded in the Book of Genesis.

belabela:

This thread is interesting.

It is unfortunate that many who claim to be atheist take science as their religion. However science has nothing to do with atheism and scientists are not atheists. ( Although atheists can be scientists)

Very true. Atheists have through the ages made people to believe that its all about science vs Religion and that science equals evolutionism. Evolution is the religion of many atheists and they use that as an excuse against creation, they conclude that if the theory of evolution explains away the creation account there will be no need for a Creator.

belabela:

In the science world there are two broad opinion on the origin of life. Some scientists believe life is created while others believe life evolved. Both have used scientific evidences to prove their opinions. Leading in the creationist view are the molecular biologists and astronomers. Many natural and physical scientists tend towards evolution and the big slam theory.

This is true again. Historic or origin science influences how scientists interprete their findings. Observational science is what both practice but when it comes to interpreting past events scientists would have to rely on their assumptions. Atheistic evolutionists would definitely tend towards the big b ang and darwinian evolution as an alternative to the creation but the dangerous scientists are the theist evolutionists who believe that God used evolution to create the universe.

belabela:

Whenever you see a man shouting I believe in science and not in God, it is either one of two things either science is his religion of he is a fool. Anyone trying to equate science to atheism is just foolish at best.

The science that evolutionists rely on is not observational science, that is, what can be proved empirically, it is their theory of evolution which to me is bad science. This is what theist evolutionists place above the Scriptures.

belabela:

I am a scientist myself and I do science at one of the highest levels of it. Some of my colleagues believe in evolution while some of us don't. We have had discussions on this topic many times. We always conclude with two views "science has not found answers to all questions" OR " science cannot answer all questions"

Science has definitely not found answers to all questions, what does is the Bible and I am happy that you are one of the many that do believe the Bible as the infallible Word of God which will in turn be the driving motivation and intellectual foundation for you to do excellent scientific work.

belabela:

Interestingly some evolutionist believe there is a God just that they may not share the same opinion of God with the major religions in the world. I have actually met some them. So believe in God is not a case of a religious group, it is a case of recognising higher authority than man. While atheism recognise the authority of man as the highest.

Knowing about the existence of God is different from knowing the nature of this God. Those who practise their religion may believe that there is God the creation gives them no excuse to deny that (Rom. 1:18-21), but when they place the authority of science over the authority of Scripture is when they are missing the point. The atheists no doubt place the authority of man as their final authority.

@belabela, You claim to be a scientist. Aren't scientists supposed to deduce their findings through observation and hypthesis before arriving at a final conclusion? As a true scientist which you claim to be, have you applied these processes in verifying the authenticity of the entity you worship? There are Atheists who believe in evolution and there are those who don't. I'm not an evolutionist but I dare say the theory of evolution makes more sense than all the religious mythical stories put together. I just don't believe in religion neither do I have a stake in it. How does this transform into a religion of science? There is virtually no correlation. Meanwhile, science has unraveled a lot of mysteries while religion remains stone age normadic goat herder bedtime stories. Everything around you is a product of intensive scientific research. It's fact NOT religion. On the other hand, list 3 positive impacts religion has on humans rather than robbing them off their self will and pitting them against each other. The bloodiest wars ever fought ALWAYS have religious undertones. How "nice".

^^^

Communist alone accounted for over 100 million deaths more than the 1st and 2nd world wars combined , which were also not religious wars, but in many cases nationalistic.

Where do you get all your convoluted facts from 

I give up on you, really do !!!!!

@Oladeegbu, You are right. Sciences indeed hasn't found ALL the answers but it's provided a lot. Science is always evolving. New discoveries are made each day and humans are becoming more knowledgable concerning the earth and solar system in general. On the other, you claim the bible has ALL the answers. How many preventive vaccine recipes are in your bible? Can you quote the chapter and verse where the cure for HIV/AIDS is written? Can the laws in the old testament be applicable in today's world without attracting lenghty jail terms or death sentence? I indicated the OT because it's part of the bible, you practice what's in Malachi 3:10 and I am yet to see a verse that permits followers to select which parts favors them and dump the rest claiming Christ died for their sins and things of old are washed away. Why are these "proofs" and answers in the bible? The fact that some scientists believed in the bible doesn't mean they got their wisdom from the bible. A lot of what you use are made by Christians,Moslems,Toaists,Buddhists and so on. Will you say they all read the bible? Get real abeg.

Why didn't you add Charles Darwin to the list? He was a devout Christian and creationist until he stumbled on evolution.

Secondly, your assertion is baseless as many of these scientists had no choice but to profess religious devotion in the middle ages as death was the punishment for blasphemy. Galileo was imprisoned for contradicting the bible with the heliocentrism.

I personally am not anti religion but anti dogma, freedom of thought and expression allows for the best human ideas to surface.

@Frosbel, The world war was approved by the pope. People who have died from Jewish,Islamic,Roman (and other sects) are way more than the number you're quoting. Your bible alone is filled with numerous accounts whereby the god of israel instructed "his people" to wipe entire civilizations based on their greed for land. Wars are usually caused by differences and religion is usually a prevailing factor in this regard.

@Frosbel, The world war was approved by the pope.

World war was approved by the pope 



I rest my case

People who have died from Jewish,Islamic,Roman (and other sects) are way more than the number you're quoting. Your bible alone is filled with numerous accounts whereby the god of israel instructed "his people" to wipe entire civilizations based on their greed for land. Wars are usually caused by differences and religion is usually a prevailing factor in this regard.

Over centuries, some so called religious people caused the murder of multitudes .

But in one century alone, just 1 not 2, Communists wiped out over a 100 million

Imagine the death toll, if atheists were allowed to be in power for more than 1 century.

It is a known fact ,and this is not applicable to all and sundry, that atheists have a raging God hate within them, that if allowed to erupt will lead to the murder of a billion or more.

@divinereal, Thank you for bringing that up. A lot of these scientists lived at a time when people who converted from being catholic to pentecostals (protestants) where labelled as heretics and the punishment ranged from intensive torture till you "repented" to burning people alive on stakes or deep frying them in huge cauldrons of searing hot oil. Imagine what would be the punishment for an Atheist during that era. They would probably drive stakes through their hearts or tie them to chariots and drag them on the ground throughout the city until all the flesh peeled from their bones and the bones themselves got scattered all over town! Galileo was threatened with a painful death if he didn't renounce his theory of the earth not being flat as the bible says(this was the "thanks" he got from the CHURCH). You religious people need to understand is that the church was the law (even kings,queens,dukes and so on where under the thumb of the church and nothing could be approved without the seal of the catholic papacy).

@ harakiri
You might be talking too much about a science and a religion you know too little about. Science does not dismiss the existence of angels, aliens and even God. It has just not found them. Science has not unravel many miseries, that's why research continues. Science does not claim exclusiveness of anything, there is always room for criticism. Scientists irrespective of their believe do not reject any writings in religious books. In science they are taking as a challenge to be verified. If you think evolution is the best way to explain the origin of life science does not. If you have a more convincing evidences on the origin of life it would be acceptable over evolution. You know a group of scientists are now challenging Albert Einstein equation E =mc². That's science, nothing is absolute.

While science deals with the intellectual, religion often deals with the supernatural, and every man is free to believe whatever he or she chose. The evidence of my faith in God is not intellectual or what you can prove in a laboratory or by an equation. I communicate with the Holy Spirit. I know what he has done and can do for me. I pray to God and he answers me. Unfortunately you have to be in Christ to experience it.  But if you live with me you will notice God in my life. I am not a religious man myself. I do not believe in religion. I have a relationship with God through Jesus and that's why I have the confidence to call God father. I am a child of God!

Men go to war because of their ideology and greed, at least that's what I believe. They only use religion to justify what they do. Religion, media and  formal education have often been used by men in authority to manipulate their fellow men. These are not bad in themselves but may be abused which is usually the case when used to wage war.

All men are free to believe whatever suits them. Even if they are in the wrong, you can only persuade them to consider what you have to offer. You cannot dismiss their faith.

divinereal:

Why didn't you add Charles Darwin to the list? He was a devout Christian and creationist until he stumbled on evolution.

That's true, but even in death (i.e after he 'stumbled' on evolution) he was considered a Christian as he was given a full Christian burial and interred in Westminster Abbey, in close proximity to where Isaac Newton's body was also interred.

http://www.aboutdarwin.com/darwin/burial.html

harakiri:

@Frosbel, The world war was approved by the pope.

This is getting quite ludicrous. The pope approved of the millions killed by the Japanese, Soviets, Chinese, Nazis and others in the World Wars?

@Frosbel and debosky, What country is Rome located? The pope endorsed his country's participation in the war and thus, my reason for stating his approval. Is that too hard to grasp or do you prefer taking comments out of context? Na wa ooo!

harakiri:

@Oladeegbu, You are right. Sciences indeed hasn't found ALL the answers but it's provided a lot. Science is always evolving.

Science isn't evolving, it takes intelligence, calculations and experiments to practice the scientific method.  The Uncreated Creator created all things and His creatures that He created in His own image are still busy unravelling and discovering what has been created.

harakiri:

New discoveries are made each day and humans are becoming more knowledgable concerning the earth and solar system in general.

When we start with the Word of God we can't miss it.  Daniel in the Bible prophesied that "knowledge shall be increased" (Daniel 12:4) in the last days and now that there is knowledge explosion especially through information technology no one can suppress the truth in unrighteousness anymore no matter how much they try.  Scientists now know that mutations cannot produce new information and this is another evidence that the Creator God is the source of information found within the DNA system of all life forms.

harakiri:

On the other, you claim the bible has ALL the answers. How many preventive vaccine recipes are in your bible? Can you quote the chapter and verse where the cure for HIV/AIDS is written? Can the laws in the old testament be applicable in today's world without attracting lenghty jail terms or death sentence? I indicated the OT because it's part of the bible, you practice what's in Malachi 3:10 and I am yet to see a verse that permits followers to select which parts favors them and dump the rest claiming Christ died for their sins and things of old are washed away.

If God was to record all the mathematical calculations used in creating the whole cosmos who will be able to read it?  He gave us enough information that highlights the important events in history as to who created, what was created, when it was created, how it was created, how long it took Him to create and why He created.  The work of scientists is to discover what was created and how it works in the present.  He also recorded important events that will happen to His creation in the future.  Scientists can only work with the evidence they have in the present and when folks don't learn what happened in the past they are destined to repeat what happened in history.  Jesus summarised all of the OT and NT commandments in one word "Love" (Deut. 6;5; Matthew 22:37-40).

harakiri:

Why are these "proofs" and answers in the bible? The fact that some scientists believed in the bible doesn't mean they got their wisdom from the bible. A lot of what you use are made by Christians,Moslems,Toaists,Buddhists and so on. Will you say they all read the bible? Get real abeg.

Have you ever wondered why most of the scientific discoveries in the past have been through those who believed in God?  Belief in the Bible would not hinder but enhance their research work as their scientific evidence is consistent with biblical history.  I have not seen anyone who used the theory of evolution that helped them in the building of Aeroplanes, computers or cars.

@belabela, First of all what do you mean by "I'm talking about a science and religion" I know nothing about? I studied sciences in high school and engineering in the university and the "little" I know about science is more than enough to debunk any religious delusions you have to offer. Second, I used to be a deeply religious Christian myself to the extent of being active in the ministry, so how did you arrive at the conclusion that I know nothing about religion? It seems you have deluded yourself into believing non religious people are fools. How sad. Second, I never said science has unraveled everything rather I said it's still evolving while religion remains in the prehistoric stone age but it seems you guys just can't help yourselves and you can't resist an opportunity to twist comments out of context? Where in science is this "proof" of angels or "non dismissal" of it? You guys just make up your own analogies as you go and you think everyone is dumb enough to fall for that crap. Show ONE credible verification (if you can).

@Oladeegbu, The process of evolving involves intensive research thus bringing changes and improvements and in this regard, You are repeating the same thing I said so what's your point? Furthermore, where is the verifiable proof of this "uncreated god" you keep talking about (apart from the indoctrination you received from childhood)? Apart from all you've been brainwashed with from bible class to sunday-sunday worship, what other "proof" can you offer? Hmmm? You guys are unbelievable! ! !

harakiri:

@Oladeegbu, The process of evolving involves intensive research thus bringing changes and improvements and in this regard, You are repeating the same thing I said so what's your point?

Rather it is you that used the language of evolutionists to describe a work of intelligent design.  To my understanding, to evolve means to change from one form to another without any intelligent input given a long time, millions or billions of years.

harakiri:

Furthermore, where is the verifiable proof of this "uncreated god" you keep talking about (apart from the indoctrination you received from childhood)? Apart from all you've been brainwashed with from bible class to sunday-sunday worship, what other "proof" can you offer? Hmmm? You guys are unbelievable! ! !

You asked for it and here it is, using scientific evidence that points to a Creator God outside the Bible, according to one of the creationist scientists; Mike Riddle.

Scientific Evidence That Demands A Creator God.

There are only three possibilities from where the universe can come from.  By way of the elimination we will arrive at our destination. 

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[li]1). The universe created itself;[/li]
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[li]2). The universe has always existed, and [/li]
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[li]3). The universe was created.[/li]
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1. The universe created itself:   

Can something create itself?  Can nothing create something?  The answer to these is an absolute No.  We all know that something cannot create itself and nothing can't create something.  From Latin we have the phrase "ex nihilo, nihil fit" meaning "from nothing, nothing comes."  It also violates the law of cause and effect, that says for every effect there must be a cause.  The effect can't be greater than the cause and nothing cannot be greater than something.  Therefore, based on the laws of science and logic, the universe couldn't have created itself.  That leaves us with options 2 and 3.

2. The univese has always existed:   

Lets go to the 2nd law of thermodynamics that basically teaches that "the whole universe is losing usable energy for doing usable work."  This means that the usable energy in this universe is wearing down.  The universe as a whole is losing energy.  In other words, molecules as a whole are slowing down.

Therefore, if this universe was eternal we will be in what is called a "virtual heat death."  This means that there will be virtually no molecular movement.  Everything would have lost its available heat energy for doing work.  Therefore, the universe cannot be eternal, it must have had a beginning.  The theory that the universe has always existed or is eternal has to be false based on the law of science and logic, another speculation gone with the air.  This leaves us with only one possiblility based on science.  Which is that:

3. The universe was created:   

"In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth." -- Genesis 1:1

@Oladeegbu,How does Mike Riddle's theories confirm the authenticity of the creater/christian god? It's his theory you know and he's airing his own ideas. Furthermore, you quoted Genesis 1:1. What concrete proof can you bring to the table to show that the bible is indeed the word of the creator/christian god? I hope you are aware that if you use the same bible to defend your claim, it's as ridiculous as defending Christmas with Santa Claus. And please, spare me all the tales of some "miracle" that happened in church or your life. Bring out the hard unshakable facts (if you have any).

OLAADEGBU:



"In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth." -- Genesis 1:1

So heaven and earth means universe, eh?. . . .

@ harakiri,

You sound like someone who has inferiority complex. You basically go with what you have in your mind and accuse me of saying so. Knowing little about a thing is different from knowing nothing about it. It's unfortunate you were a religious christian, I am not a religious christian I am simply a disciple of Jesus and a child of God. Religious people are not necessarily saved they usually keep certain commandments and try to win the approval of other men. They often compare themselves with other men and the commandments of the lord is a burden to them. That was why Jesus warned "But I warn you--unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!" - Matthew 5: 20. Whereas those of us who have a relationship with God care less about what men say or not. We receive direct instructions from the Holy Spirit, we bear the fruit of the Spirit and the commandments of the Lord is a delight to us.

Nobody has called you a fool because you are not religious. Infact Jesus was hated by the religious men of his days. The only one the bible calls a fool is the man who says "there is no God."

@belabela, How does stating the exact words you used in addressing me equate to having an inferiority complex? You clearly labelled me as someone who knows "nothing" about science and religion and you are yet to give a valid analysis on how you came about the presumed conclusion. Define the term "inferiority complex" and explain how it REMOTELY relates to what I said. You people just throw words about carelessly without a care in the world for their meanings. The true hallmark of "sound education". Furthermore, you claim you aren't a religious christian but a disciple of god and jesus. Please, can you make an effort to look up the definition of Christianity and tell me how it differs from being religious? Your comment is as ridiculous as that of an Islamic Jihadist who attempts to potray Islam as a religion of peace.

@ harakiri

Being a religious person and being a disciple of Jesus are two different things. Religion is what men define as faith in God not what God defines. There is a christian religion define by men. To be considered a member of a religion you must meet certain criteria. So today you have over 2 billion people who are Christians by religion but some of them are unknown to God. Those who are disciples of Jesus know and are known by God. Such is this knowledge among unbelievers that if you tell them you are a christian they ask you "are you the born again type?" They ask because you can be a christain by religion or a christian by relationship. Hope you now understand.

Christians are supposed to be "little Christs" but even those who are not believers know that there are too many religious Christians who are not actually "little Christs" I am not surprised that you rely on a dictionary to explain this to you because you have little comprehension of the subject. Even Gandhi who is an Hindu said,[b] "Oh, I don't reject Christ. I love Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike Christ." [/b]He knew the difference between being a religious christian ( doing all the christian stuffs) and being a disciple of Christ (living the life of Christ).

harakiri:

@belabela, How does stating the exact words you used in addressing me equate to having an inferiority complex? You clearly labelled me as someone who knows "nothing" about science and religion and you are yet to give a valid analysis on how you came about the presumed conclusion. Define the term "inferiority complex" and explain how it REMOTELY relates to what I said. You people just throw words about carelessly without a care in the world for their meanings. The true hallmark of "sound education". Furthermore, you claim you aren't a religious christian but a disciple of god and jesus. Please, can you make an effort to look up the definition of Christianity and tell me how it differs from being religious? Your comment is as ridiculous as that of an Islamic Jihadist who attempts to potray Islam as a religion of peace.

Thot you might be interested ? interesting write up and thot i will share with you.


http://arjunaardagh./2010/07/20/why-it-is-wise-to-worship-a-woman/

I just have few things to state.

1. If you ask me 'what comes to mind before the BIG B.ANG?', I think its God

2. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth Gen 1:1, doesnt say he created the universe 

3. IMO the God before the BIG B.ANG isnt the bible God, Nothing points towards that 

4. The OP is right on the fact they(scientists) mentioned believed in God/christian, but want to state clearly THAT their lives weren't based on christian principles their hidden lives were based on serious involvement in occultism this isn't a hidden fact!     

5. Believe in evolution doesn't disprove believe in God, IMO evolution makes more sense than those tales in genesis 

6. No RELIGION is superior to the other ALL are based on BASELESS beliefs & insane fanatical actions[b] I REPEAT ALL[/b]

And finally everything we believe on this side of the universe is just GUESS work, Full knowledge come on the side of eternity!!!!!

Dope list! Don't forget Sir Isaac Newton:

"Opposite to the first is Atheism in profession & Idolatry in practise. Atheism is so senseless & odious to mankind that it never had many professors. Can it be by accident that all birds beasts & men have their right side & left side alike shaped (except in their bowells) & just two eyes & no more on either side the face & just two ears on either side the head & a nose with two holes & no more between the eyes & one mouth under the nose & either two fore leggs or two wings or two arms on the sholders & two leggs on the hipps one on either side & no more?

Whence arises this uniformity in all their outward shapes but from the counsel & contrivance of an Author? Whence is it that the eyes of all sorts of living creatures are transparent to the very bottom & the only transparent members in the body, having on the outside an hard transparent skin, & within transparent juyces with a crystalline Lens in the middle & a pupil before the Lens all of them so truly shaped & fitted for vision, that no Artist can mend them? Did blind chance know that there was light & what was its refraction & fit the eys of all creatures after the most curious manner to make use of it? These & such like considerations always have & ever will prevail with man kind to beleive that there is a being who made all things & has all things in his power & who is therfore to be feared?" -- Sir Isaac Newton

@belabela, Why do you choose to delude yourself? Christianity (which means being christ-like) is a religion just like any other. Look up examples of religion and see if Christianity is omitted. It was when moslems referring to Islam as a way of life (due to the stigma of terrorism) rather than a religion that Christians followed suit is distancing themselves from the word religion. You are right in mentioning that christianity has different sects but at the end of the day, it all boils down to believing in a heavenly father who sits on a throne in the skies, his only son who died for the sins of mankind and reading the bible. So what are you talking about? Beating about the bush doesn't help matters my friend. Christianity is a religion and people who practise it are religious people, so why are franctically trying to distance yourself from being called religious when everything your faith dictates conforms to the definition of the word RELIGION? Na wa ooo!

@horny4u, I copied the link and read through (you do however know that what's written there has nothing do to with this thread). The page is about a guy who virtually worships his wife. Sounds pretty cool,romantic and perhaps "divine" but I feel sorry for him coz he might be in for a shocker at some point. The wife might feel on top of the world today coz she has a man who kisses ground she walks but "women will always be women" and some day, she'll get tired and bored of the whole thing. That is when she'll want a "REAL MAN" in her life who will make her feel "like a woman". A lot of divorced/seperated men today who got cheated on by their wives are usually the ones who idolized their women and put them on a pedestal. We all know women love that but get tired/irritated in the long run. The once loving man is now seen by her as a wussie/sissie/insecure/too soft/not man enough or a "nice guy" who has no spine. You and I know this is true unless we want to delude ourselves. I wish him the best though. Alright, enough of the derailing, lol.

harakiri:

@Oladeegbu,How does Mike Riddle's theories confirm the authenticity of the creater/christian god? It's his theory you know and he's airing his own ideas.

If you know of any other possibilities as to how this universe came to existence please be free to share.

harakiri:

Furthermore, you quoted Genesis 1:1. What concrete proof can you bring to the table to show that the bible is indeed the word of the creator/christian god? I hope you are aware that if you use the same bible to defend your claim, it's as ridiculous as defending Christmas with Santa Claus. And please, spare me all the tales of some "miracle" that happened in church or your life. Bring out the hard unshakable facts (if you have any).

Scientists with their many theories have not been able to tell us what the ultimate cause of the universe is, all they have been doing is to rely on their beliefs otherwise known as presuppositions which says everything has a material explanation. But for those who believe in God and His record do not have that problem. Their presupposition is that God created the heavens and the earth. They already have the answer to what atheists and evolutionists are still scratching their heads for.

You asked for a concrete proof that the Bible is indeed the word of the Creator God. I have given you one that answers who the ultimate Cause of the universe is in Genesis 1:1. Real scientists such as Mike Riddle confirms what the Bible says, for example if you read Genesis chapters 1 to 11 you will understand the account of many historical events concerning the beginning of this universe. Scientists who use this as their presupposition can confirm scientifically that God's account of creation recorded in the Bible is accurate. For instance in Genesis chapter 1 God tells us that animals, birds, fishes, plants and every things that has life were 'created after their own kind', and what do we see today? dogs only give birth to dogs and cats give birth to cats. We have not seen the coming together of dogs and cats to give birth to 'dats' or 'cogs' otherwise called half dogs and half cats as evolutionists would have you believe. What we observe in the present confirms what the Bible says. Geology and astronomy are other scientific disciplines that confirm the Bible. We can also rely on the Bible's prophecy when it relates the truth. There are over 300 prophecies about Jesus Christ made many hundreds of years before He entered into this universe and earth as a man. There are other prophecies made in the Bible that has been fulfilled and the rest are to be fulfilled in the future which may be anytime from now. The main reason we can trust the Bible is that it is divine, that is, God breathed on holy men to communicate to us the mind of God, the history of the past and prophecy of future of mankind and the universe, so it will be wise if you use it as your presupposition for all living, learning and actions, especially when it comes to practising research work by scientists.

mazaje:

So heaven and earth means universe, eh?. . . .

Yes.  You may also use the word Cosmos.  Genesis 1:1 is a powerful sentence that answers the beginning of time, space and matter (mass/energy).  God is a triune God and He loves expressing Himself in 'threes'

In the beginning (time) God (Elohim: Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit) created the heaven (space) and the earth (matter) Genesis 1:1.

If you miss the meaning of this verse you will be setting off on wrong footing in whatever endeavour you embark on either scientifically or theologically.

http://www.icr.org/first-cause/

OLAADEGBU:

Yes.  You may also use the word Cosmos.  Genesis 1:1 is a powerful sentence that answers the beginning of time, space and matter (mass/energy).  God is a triune God and He loves expressing Himself in 'threes'

False, and a lie. . . .The word used there does not mean the cosmos so try another lie, shamayim is used to describe the cosmos and it does not appear in any part of the Genesis 1. . .The God of the new testement might be a triune God not the God of the OT, the God of Judaism. . .Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.—Deuteronomy 6:4. . . It doesn't say I the lord your God is a triune God. . .

In the beginning (time) God (Elohim: Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit) created the heaven (space) and the earth (matter) Genesis 1:1.

Another lie, the hebrew word used for beginning is bereishit with literally means "head" which is then implied to be the beginning. . . .The hebrew word for heave is not the same as space, the hebrew word for earth is not the same as matter, the bible simple says in the begining God created the heaven and the earth. . . .It does NOT say God created the universe because the heaven and the earth does NOT stand for the universe, the hebrew word for the universe is not found in any part of genesis 1. . . .

If you miss the meaning of this verse you will be setting off on wrong footing in whatever endeavour you embark on either scientifically or theologically.

http://www.icr.org/first-cause/

I thought your bible says nothing should be added or removed from what it says? I say your writers adding their own things and saying what the bible does NOT say. . .Adding words like space and matter when nothing like that appears in the bible. . . .

@Oladeegbu, I do not know how the world started but I can put my money down that it didn't start with some Yahweh god who manufactured mankind from sand! On top of that,the normadic bible writers got the arithmetic wrong. It's written that a rib was collected from Adam (which means he had 3 ribs) and given to Eve. Where did her second rib come from? Also, if there were 3 humans left after the death of Abel,who did Cain marry? Who are those mysterious people from the land of Nod that are unaccounted for? The bible clearly states that humanity descended from Adam and Eve. How can you explain these loopholes and discrepancies? As always, you folks will always cook up one theory to fill in the gaps and that same bible is strictly against any form of manipulation of it's wordings and interpretation.

Like I said earlier, I am not an evolutionist but their theories make more sense than all the religious myths of evolution put together. If the slave masters hadn't come to Africa, you would still believe civilization started in Ile-Ife.

Sooner or later when we die the truth will stare us in the face, but alas it will be too late.


They will then realize there is a GOD, the demons that deceived them will laugh them to scorn , and their doom will be sealed for one reason only, FOOLISH PRIDE !!!!

Only a FOOL will gamble with that which he can never get back, his SOUL !!!

mazaje:

False, and a lie. . . .The word used there does not mean the cosmos so try another lie, shamayim is used to describe the cosmos and it does not appear in any part of the Genesis 1. . .The God of the new testement might be a triune God not the God of the OT, the God of Judaism. . .Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.—Deuteronomy 6:4. . . It doesn't say I the lord your God is a triune God. . .

This reminds me of how Eve was told that she was lied to and Eve began to doubt the Word of God.  Let me give you the meaning of the whole verse in the original Hebrew:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" =  "Beresheet bara Elohim, et ha-Shamayim et ha-Eretz."

The word Barasheet is the name of the book called 'Genesis'  or 'the book of the beginning'.  Bara is a verb meaning 'to create out of nothing' in Latin it means 'ex nihilo' something that scientists are still scratching their heads for.  

The third word, Elohim, is one of the several names of God.  It is a plural noun and is used as if it is singular.  We use the word sheep for more than one sheep, so in Hebrew language they use the plural noun as if it were singular.  For the observant and discerning reader we also get a hint of the Trinity which I said God uses to express Himself in His creation.

As for your shamayim, I hope you can see that the word is in that same sentence in Hebrew. 

mazaje:

Another lie, the hebrew word used for beginning is bereishit with literally means "head" which is then implied to be the beginning. . . .The hebrew word for heave is not the same as space, the hebrew word for earth is not the same as matter, the bible simple says in the begining God created the heaven and the earth. . . .It does NOT say God created the universe because the heaven and the earth does NOT stand for the universe, the hebrew word for the universe is not found in any part of genesis 1. . . .

As you can see in the Hebrew language above what shamayim means so I don't know what you are arguing about.  If shamayim to you means the Cosmos what are you still arguing about?  Time had a beginning as there was no time before God created time and time will have an end.  Time itself is one dimension measured in three ways: past, present and future.  This is another analogy of the triune God.  Just as the universe consists of Space, time and matter (mass/energy) we can have an idea of the Godhead in nature that we see or perceive.

"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" (Romans 1:20).

So you can see from this verse that faith in God is not blind faith but is founded on the fact of God's existence clearly seen through His creation.  This is what Isaac Newton, one of the greatest scientists who ever lived said:

"The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets could only proceed from the counsel and admonition of an intelligent and powerful Being" 

mazaje:

I thought your bible says nothing should be added or removed from what it says? I say your writers adding their own things and saying what the bible does NOT say. . .Adding words like space and matter when nothing like that appears in the bible. . . .

The Bible is out of this world, it is extraterrestial in origin. See how powerful the first verse in the Bible is and how a scientists who is a devout Christian arrived at the formula for calculating Pi.

Pi is found in the Bible in a rather unusual way.  The Hebrew alphabet also has a number corresponding to each letter in its alphabet.

If you take the first sentence of Genesis 1:1 in its original Hebrew:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" =  "Beresheet bara Elohim, et ha-Shamayim et ha-Eretz." 

and calculate:

The number of letters x the product of the letters divided by the number of words x the products of the words = 3.1416 x 10¹⁷
= Pi correct to 4 decimal places.

This was discovered by a scientist who was a devout Christian by the name Euler.