@Frosbel, What "truth" did you forefathers stare at in their hour of death? What was their fate when the slave masters hadn't brought religion? Your forefathers were indeed big fools weren't they? DULLARD! ! !

Please stop stalking me on Nairaland

Go and debate with your fanatical atheist and Christian agnostic brothers. I have no time for foolish discussions !!

@Frosbel, Do you know the meaning of the word "stalk"? I am responding to hate filled threads (usually opened by your dumba$$ self) and somehow in that $hit filled brain of yours,I am "stalking" you? Who is the stalker by the way? You who is so jobless to the extent of gaining employment in the section reserved for moslems and your sole ambition in life was to open several threads filled with deep seated hatred and spite. You spat venom at people minding their own business,cursed them out to the extent the moderator was forced to warn you. The only reason you are back in here is because you were sacked from your self employed status in the ISLAMIC section and yet, you have the nerve to say I'm stalking you. Why would I be stalking a reetard whose head evidently got stepped on after the doctor threw out the hideous mess out of the delivery room? You report for duty 23hrs a day talking nonsense and you think I regard you as anything? You ain't $hit bro. Get your mind right. Dumba$$.

harakiri:

@Frosbel, Do you know the meaning of the word "stalk"? I am responding to hate filled threads (usually opened by your dumba$$ self) and somehow in that $hit filled brain of yours,I am "stalking" you? Who is the stalker by the way? You who is so jobless to the extent of gaining employment in the section reserved for moslems and your sole ambition in life was to open several threads filled with deep seated hatred and spite. You spat venom at people minding their own business,cursed them out to the extent the moderator was forced to warn you. The only reason you are back in here is because you were sacked from your self employed status in the ISLAMIC section and yet, you have the nerve to say I'm stalking you. Why would I be stalking a reetard whose head evidently got stepped on after the doctor threw out the hideous mess out of the delivery room? You report for duty 23hrs a day talking nonsense and you think I regard you as anything? You ain't $hit bro. Get your mind right. Dumba$$.

You should be ashamed of yourself , just read through your comments and language.  You seem to lack a proper education, but I hardly blame you for this misfortune. Maybe things will improve in Nigeria one day.

I do not personally abuse people on Nairaland with swear or cuss words, that appears to be your trademark.

No further need to engage you in debates, I know where you are coming from.

@Frosbel, There is a reason why I ALWAYS call you a hypocrite! It's unfortunate that I'm using my phone to type else I would have dug up the numerous hate filled threads you've opened which are directed at Moslems,Catholics and Atheists. The language you often use is less than and exemplary and you're here playing the victim. You are one of the worst two faced double talking hypocrite I've ever come across. You have no problems calling other people fools and yet you are here talking. The words you direct at people is usually heavily laced with venom and you are here talking. Talking about my education, if you represent the hallmark of "sound education", I'd rather hang myself. If you were created in the image of god, then your god is indeed a dumba$$! ! !

Now that you have vented you anger, take a deep breath, let out a loud sigh and relax.  I understand how confusing it must be for you. 

But anger is not the answer , my advice , keep it under control and you will live long !!!

@Frosbel, Did you know all that when you were ungainfully "employed" in the islamic section? Did you think about that when you were spewing venom,hatred and vile all over there to the extent you had to be flushed out? Why do you keep giving me more scissors to strip your cloak of hypocrisy and pretense? You are exposing yourself more and more. With Christians like you, it's not surprising why more and more people are losing faith in religion on a daily basis. You are indeed a "shining" example for others to follow.

Okay let me help you here.

Firstly I was not kicked out of the Islamic section. It was a common agreement with a Muslim for sake of peace, and we agreed the debates went out of hand. This is what you call civility.

Besides 95% of articles posted where properly researched material produced by professors, doctors and religious scholars. They only stated fact which might come across as venom to someone with an anger problem.

I sympathize with you , because if you do not believe in GOD because of others, it only reveals a shallowness that cannot be attributed to anyone else but you.

You really need to  calm down, if you continue on this path , you risk high blood pressure 

@ harakiri,

As much as I desire that you know Christ, hence the difference between being religious and being in Christ, I would not debate with you on that but I would give you a clue.

A time is coming when governments across the world will wage war against Christians, they would consider Christians delusional as you have refereed to me. Bible reading would be prohibited and we would be consider as anti - government and anti - humanity. Those who have been merely religious Christians would quickly reason with the government and dessert Christ, they would have all reasons to deny Christ and they will. They would flow with the new wave of apostasy. Many of us in Christ would be persecuted and killed for our faith while we stand by our conviction. There would be professing Christians who will support the position of governments. Disciples of Jesus would be murdered by many of the religious clergy. May be by that time you would understand the difference.

We who are in Christ are aware of the death that hangs over our heads in this life yet we still follow Jesus. We are not seeking comfort here. we know who we believe and serve. It doesn't matter to us if we are hated of all men or called names. Whatever you think about us doesn't change our stand. we are not following Jesus because somebody says if we do we would become rich, on the contrary we are aware that we may loose many of our earthly possessions and fame because we follow him. The religious man is there by association and would disappear when tested cos he has no relationship.

@Frosbel, One sign of trouble makers is that they stick their noses where they don't belong. What is a Christian doing in a designated section for moslems other than looking for trouble. You went as far as opening numerous hate inciting threads using your so called "well researched" material. I'll see how you handle it when moslems invade the Christian section with "well researched material" that "proves" reasons why infidels should be killed. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? You know nothing about civility and it's only someone whose half as dumb as yourself that would believe your lies. Your modus operandi is transparent for all too see. You do internet searches for specific material to back a reetarded thread you want to open. Definitely there are reetards like you out there and some of them post their ideas online. You copy their trash,paste it here with the hyperlinks and claim they are "well researched" articles. Your level of stoopidity is enough to make the world stand still. You now start attacking people who have diverse opinions and when they serve you back, you become a cry baby and start playing the victim. Do you really think everyone is as dumb as you are? Your MONTH is so transparent, I can walk right through it. You need to upgrade your tactics.

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I can almost see your facial expression as you slam the small keys on your phone , it must be hard. Anyway let me not keep you up too late 

Some of us have work tomorrow !!!

@Frosbel, Which work do you have other than insulting people day and night? The only reason I'm using my phone is because I'm away on business and that doesn't mean I can't make out time to check emails,twitter or nairaland. Not everyone is as jobless as yourself Frosbel. Grow a pair of balls will ya?

harakiri:

@Frosbel, Which work do you have other than insulting people day and night? The only reason I'm using my phone is because I'm away on business and that doesn't mean I can't make out time to check emails,twitter or nairaland. Not everyone is as jobless as yourself Frosbel. Grow a pair of balls will ya?

You don't have to explain yourself to me , none of my business . But I accept your explanation . 

@belabela, What do you know about Christ other than what you've been taught to believe? Jesus is said to descend from Israel right? How come people of Israel denounce that and say Jesus is a Roman figment of imagination? Isn't Jerusalem supposed to be proud their city produced the messiah? Furthermore, religious people have been slaughtering rivals for centuries (including Christians). Just look at the intolerance here and tell me who is persecuting who. Atheists have done nothing to Christians but hardly a day goes by without one insolent thread being directed at them. They are called evil,wicked,fools etc and yet all the wickedness in Nigeria is perpetrated by Christians and Moslems. How many Atheists have been accused of looting govt funds? How many have killed fellow human beings in the name of rituals? How many have physical confrontations based on differences? It's always the other way round and we are always used as scapegoats as if Atheists are the cause of election rigging and bad roads in nigeria. Study most of my posts in the religious and you'll notice I comment mainly on topics that address Atheism in derogatory terms. I can't be bothered with the other threads.

(belabela)@ harakiri,

As much as I desire that you know Christ, hence the difference between being religious and being in Christ, I would not debate with you on that but I would give you a clue.

A time is coming when governments across the world will wage war against Christians, they would consider Christians delusional as you have refereed to me. Bible reading would be prohibited and we would be consider as anti - government and anti - humanity. Those who have been merely religious Christians would quickly reason with the government and dessert Christ, they would have all reasons to deny Christ and they will. They would flow with the new wave of apostasy. Many of us in Christ would be persecuted and killed for our faith while we stand by our conviction. There would be professing Christians who will support the position of governments. Disciples of Jesus would be murdered by many of the religious clergy. May be by that time you would understand the difference.

We who are in Christ are aware of the death that hangs over our heads in this life yet we still follow Jesus.  We are not seeking comfort here. we know who we believe and serve. It doesn't matter to us if we are hated of all men or called names. Whatever you think about us doesn't change our stand. we are not following Jesus because somebody says if we do we would become rich, on the contrary we are aware that we may loose many of our earthly possessions and fame because we follow him. The religious man is there by association and would disappear when tested cos he has no relationship.

God bless the mouth that speakth these words. Just the fact and truth speakth thou.

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Appears that very soon militant atheists and their moderator partialist will take over the religious section on Nairaland, and yet we are to believe they are not evangelists for their Karl Marx ideology.

This is what the religious section has come to , if it is not brain dead topics it is atheists on the rampage.

harakiri:
 
@Oladeegbu, I do not know how the world started but I can put my money down that it didn't start with some Yahweh god who manufactured mankind from sand!

You do not know how the world started, a common phrase with atheist evolutionists and yet you will not accept the correct answer given in the Bible.  Your case is like one who has already made up his mind not to allow the facts to convince him so that he will not get confused.  It is a fact that 2 + 2 = 4 but because you do not accept that for reasons best known to yourself you will rather accept any other answer as long as it is not 4 because you do not like the sound or shape of that figure.

harakiri:

On top of that,the normadic bible writers got the arithmetic wrong. It's written that a rib was collected from Adam (which means he had 3 ribs) and given to Eve. Where did her second rib come from?

Where did you read that from?

harakiri:

Also, if there were 3 humans left after the death of Abel,who did Cain marry? Who are those mysterious people from the land of Nod that are unaccounted for? The bible clearly states that humanity descended from Adam and Eve. How can you explain these loopholes and discrepancies? As always, you folks will always cook up one theory to fill in the gaps and that same bible is strictly against any form of manipulation of it's wordings and interpretation.

Who said that 3 humans beings were left after the death of Abel? Anyway, the answer to who Cain married has been answered on numerous occasions on this forum. A thread Science confirms the Bible for instance, where I attempted to answer questions with the aid of 'giants' who has gone before us. Check the thread out and if you still have objections then let us address them there instead of derailing this thread.

harakiri:

Like I said earlier, I am not an evolutionist but their theories make more sense than all the religious myths of evolution put together. If the slave masters hadn't come to Africa, you would still believe civilization started in Ile-Ife.

Like I said earlier, any answer or presupposition will suit you as long as it is not from the Bible.

@oladeegbu,First of all what concrete evidence can you offer to show the biblical story on creation is true? I hope you're aware that every religion on earth has it's own story/myth "explaining" creation (including African ethnic groups). You wouldn't be here professing Christianity if your forefathers weren't enslaved.

Second,I read tha in genesis and quit pretending you don't know it's there. Your bible clearly states that a rib was taken out of Adam and given to Eve. If I take a rib from you, how many will be left? How come still have two ribs? Where did her second rib come from? Is the math so hard for you?

Third, Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel as their first offspring and it was AFTER the death of Abel and the banishment of Cain that they had other children. It's all there in your bible. Why can't you people be straight forward and truthful for once? Is this the "wisdom" you get from the bible? Deciet and Cunning? Well,it's obviously not working.

Fourth, Everything I have said so far IS IN YOUR BIBLE so quit decieving yourself and others.

Nuff said!

harakiri:
   
@oladeegbu,First of all what concrete evidence can you offer to show the biblical story on creation is true? I hope you're aware that every religion on earth has it's own story/myth "explaining" creation (including African ethnic groups).

Scientific evidences are consistent with what is written in Scriptures.  Biblical prophecies are being fulfilled and the Bible answers the questions of the seeking hearts of men that science is unable to do.  You are free to believe whatever mythology that you want to believe but none of them answer all fundamental questions of mankind as the Bible does.

harakiri:

You wouldn't be here professing Christianity if your forefathers weren't enslaved.

Don't you think you are the one who is enslaved when evolutionists indoctrinate you that your forefathers and apes are from the same family and you take that as the gospel truth?

harakiri:

Second,I read tha in genesis and quit pretending you don't know it's there. Your bible clearly states that a rib was taken out of Adam and given to Eve. If I take a rib from you, how many will be left? How come still have two ribs? Where did her second rib come from? Is the math so hard for you?

Why don't you quote the chapter and verse of what your spurious claim if its from the Bible?

harakiri:

Third, Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel as their first offspring and it was AFTER the death of Abel and the banishment of Cain that they had other children. It's all there in your bible. Why can't you people be straight forward and truthful for once? Is this the "wisdom" you get from the bible? Deciet and Cunning? Well,it's obviously not working.

I don't blame you if your source is from pub talk and hearsay.  Show us where it is said that Adam and Eve only had 3 children until the banishment of Cain.  You cannot just come here and make unfounded claims without stating your sources.

harakiri:

Fourth, Everything I have said so far IS IN YOUR BIBLE so quit decieving yourself and others.

Show us where to find them unless you are deceiving yourself.

harakiri:

Nuff said!

Yes, nuff said on this thread because we have derailed it enough as it is.

@oladeegbu, First, according to you the biblical scriptures are now scientific. Wonderful! Na wetin person no go hia for nairaland!

Second,I believe I have repeated myself several times on this thread that I AM NOT AN EVOLUTIONIST! Why can't you people restrain yourselfs from taking the cheap way out via creating false impressions of others? Traits of being a true christian perhaps?

Third, you want biblical quotes? Here goes: Genesis chapter 2 : verse 21-23. I quote :

"And the lord god caused a deep sleep to fall upon adam and he slept, and he took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh thereof;

And the rib which the lord god had taken from man,made he a woman and brought her unto man

And adam said,this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh:she shall be called woman and because she was taken out of man.

Okay, he is one rib short and she needs one more. Why don't men and women have just one rib if this is trully what happened? Is it so hard to grasp or is my biblical quote incorrect? You think because we are labelled "Atheists" that means we don't know the scriptures. My friend, I was once a devot christian and ardent bible studier. You'll be surprised how little you know your bible you claim to understand.

Fourth, why are you people such liars and tongue twisters? I clearly said TWO children N0T three. Why can't you people control your urges to twist issues? You need more quotes from the bible? Read Genesis chapter 4 : Verse 1-17. This section covers the birth of Cain and Abel,the death of Abel and banishment of Cain from Eden and ends with the birth of Enoch AFTER all the aforementioned had happened. Do you really think I'll come here talking about what I don't know? Who is now the biblical ignoramus? Huh? Get real!

harakiri:

@oladeegbu, First, according to you the biblical scriptures are now scientific. Wonderful! Na wetin person no go hia for nairaland!

Second,I believe I have repeated myself several times on this thread that I AM NOT AN EVOLUTIONIST! Why can't you people restrain yourselfs from taking the cheap way out via creating false impressions of others? Traits of being a true christian perhaps?

Third, you want biblical quotes? Here goes: Genesis chapter 2 : verse 21-23. I quote :

"And the lord god caused a deep sleep to fall upon adam and he slept, and he took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh thereof;

And the rib which the lord god had taken from man,made he a woman and brought her unto man

And adam said,this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh:she shall be called woman and because she was taken out of man.

Okay, he is one rib short and she needs one more. Why don't men and women have just one rib if this is trully what happened? Is it so hard to grasp or is my biblical quote incorrect? You think because we are labelled "Atheists" that means we don't know the scriptures. My friend, I was once a devot christian and ardent bible studier. You'll be surprised how little you know your bible you claim to understand.

Fourth, why are you people such liars and tongue twisters? I clearly said TWO children N0T three. Why can't you people control your urges to twist issues? You need more quotes from the bible? Read Genesis chapter 4 : Verse 1-17. This section covers the birth of Cain and Abel,the death of Abel and banishment of Cain from Eden and ends with the birth of Enoch AFTER all the aforementioned had happened. Do you really think I'll come here talking about what I don't know? Who is now the biblical ignoramus? Huh? Get real!

I can remember that I addressed similar objections raised by yourself in the link below and you did not come back to say that you were not satisfied. If you have not check post #161 in the link below and let me know if you still have any objections so that we do not derail this beautiful thread.

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The Bible has all the answers to man's questions

These scientists believe the truth as their starting point and go on to think God's thought after Him while they carry out observational science.

What are the foundational questions that are being answered?

1.  Who created?------------God

2.  What was created?  ----All things

3.  How was it created?--- By His Power

4.  When was it created?—In the beginning

5.  How long did it take to Create?-- 6 days

Some top and highly qualified Hebrew scholars, who are called lexigraphers wrote in the most widely recognised Hebrew lexicons and dictionaries, published in the 20th century says that the creation days written in the book of Genesis are literal days.

Below is a partial list of scientists who believe in the Bible's account of creation as is recorded in the Bible and through their professional fields have come to the scientific conclusion that confirms the Bible's account:

Danny Faulkner         Ph.D.  Astronomy
John Byl                     Ph.D.  Astronomy
Tom Greene               Ph.D.  Astronomy
James Dire                 Ph.D.  Astrophysics
Dave Harrison            Ph.D. Astrophysics
Steven Boyd               Ph.D. Hebraic and Cognitive Studies
Floyd Nolen Jones     Th.D., Ph.D.  Author of Chronology of the Old Testament
Herb Hirt                    Ph.D.  Biblical Exposition
Robert Cole                Ph.D.  Semitic languages
Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon
Georgia Purdon          Ph.D. Molecular Genetics
Duane Gish                Ph.D. Biochemistry
David Menton            Ph.D. Cell Biology
Donald Chittick          Ph.D.  Physical Chemistry
Tom Greene              Ph.D.  Astronomy
Jason Lisle                Ph.D.  Astrophysics
Russell Humphreys   Ph.D  Physics
Don DeYoung            Ph.D.  Physics
Terry Mortenson       Ph.D. History of Geology
John baumgardner   Ph.D. Geophysics
Bob Compton            Ph.D. Physiology, DVM
Andy McIntosh         Ph.D.  Combustion Theory
John Johnson           Ph.D. Mathematics
Tommy Mitchel          M.D.
Andrew Snelling       Ph.D. Geology
Emil Silvestre           Ph.D. Geology
Esther Su                 Ph.D. Biochemistry
David DeWitt           Ph.D. Neuroscience

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The Case For A Creator

Watch as Lee Strobel, a journalist investigates scientific evidence that points toward God in the videolinks below.

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The Case For A Creator -- Lee Strobel, a former atheist giving the evidence of God.

The Evidence of Physics and Cosmology:

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The Case For A Creator -- Lee Strobel, a former atheist giving the evidence of God.

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"Only a rookie who knows nothing about science would say science takes away from faith. If you really study science, it will bring you closer to God."

-- Nanoscientist James Tour, Rice University.

@mazaje, where art thou?

I have come to the conclusion that many people today are atheists, because they abhor the possibility of a righteousness GOD.

A righteous GOD if he were true in their opinion , will be a show spoiler and stopper for their numerous indulgences and ungodly life styles

Job 24:12 Men groan from out of the city, and the soul of the wounded crieth out: yet God layeth not folly to them.
They are of those that rebel against the light; they know not the ways thereof, nor abide in the paths thereof,

John 3:17-21: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

You are right. Atheists have no excuse for not believing in the Creator God because the truth is revealed to us in nature, our consciences, the Moral Law, the illustration of Christ, the inspired Scripture, the testimony of believers and I believe that if they diligently seek for the truth God will manifest Himself to them (John 14:21-23).