DeliveranceFire:



The dry ground is appearing from under the water.

All the position you made above tallies with my position. There's no argument here. We're not talking about planet but ground.

You were the one that quoted me, the ground there was not talking about this planet!
And the water from where?

The OP said there was 2 separate events, which is not.

Maynmann:

Earth and heaven were created at the same time, so where was satan and the fallen angels before heaven was created?

Their initial abode was heaven. I don't think they would have existed before heaven was created.

FxMasterz:


Their initial abode was heaven. I don't think they would have existed before heaven was created.

Why did your god create angels and demons?, for what purpose?
And how did they exist before adam and eve.

DeliveranceFire:

Would you please explain the condemnation? I have defended the Bible to the best of my knowledge.

Who created demons and when did they reach the earth?

FxMasterz:

They were on earth now. They've been disembodied. Fallen angels and Satan were also on earth but God gave the earth to the sons of men.

Lie!

The only intelligent beings God purposed to be here are humans that's why he said:
"Have in subjection all the creatures on this planet" Genesis 1:27-28
So other intelligent beings came here on their own AGAINST GOD'S WILL!

Maynmann:

Why did your god create angels and demons?, for what purpose?
And how did they exist before adam and eve.

God didn't create them as demons. He created them as men on earth. They became disembodied when they were destroyed. They're demons in their current state but that was not how they were created.

According to the OP, demons are men who inhabited the earth before it became formless and void.

Angels are created as messengers of God.

MaxInDHouse:


Lie!

The only intelligent beings God purposed to be here are humans that's why he said:
"Have in subjection all the creatures on this planet" Genesis 1:27-28
So other intelligent beings came here on their own AGAINST GOD'S WILL!

It seems you don't understand the OP. Please read the post again.

Demons were men on earth before the earth became formless and void. Their iniquities made God destroy the earth and got them disembodied before God decided to renew the earth and create a new specie of human beings in Adam.

FxMasterz:


God didn't create them as demons. He created them as men on earth. They became disembodied when they were destroyed. They're demons in their current state but that was not how they were created.

According to the OP, demons are men who inhabited the earth before it became formless and void.

Angels are created as messengers of God.

What verse were they created as men on earth.
What verse where they disembodied after destruction.
What did your god need angels for


The OP doesn’t understand what he is saying, both heaven and earth were made from the formless and void deep water.

The only person that made the earth formless and void again was your god in noah days.

Maynmann:

What verse were they created as men on earth.
What verse where they disembodied after destruction.
What did your god need angels for


The OP doesn’t understand what he is saying, both heaven and earth were made from the formless and void deep water.

The only person that made the earth formless and void again was your god in noah days.

This is completely contrary to the Bibles position.

The Bible didn't tell us much about the preadamic era. The focus of the Bible is the present Adamic era. There are only clues about the previous era which are pointed out in the OP.

FxMasterz:


This is completely contrary to the Bibles position.

The Bible didn't tell us much about the preadamic era. The focus of the Bible is the present Adamic era. There are only clues about the previous era which are pointed out in the OP.

It is you that don’t understand the “bible” you are reading.
Genesis 1:1 is only a Recap of what happened in genesis 1:8 and 1:10.

Your god created earth and heaven from the formless and void deep.

The OP doesn’t understand what he is saying, planet earth was never created in genesis 1:1, so which planet was created perfect?

FxMasterz:


There are only clues about the previous era which are pointed out in the OP.

Who created the deep water that was used to create heaven and earth?

FxMasterz:

Spirits can't die bro. Spirits are immortal.

Your omnipotent god that created them can’t even kill them again 😂

Maynmann:

It is you that don’t understand the “bible” you are reading.
Genesis 1:1 is only a Recap of what happened in genesis 1:8 and 1:10.

Your god created earth and heaven from the formless and void deep.

The OP doesn’t understand what he is saying, planet earth was never created in genesis 1:1, so which planet was created perfect?

No. It wasn't. Genesis 1:8 to 10 is talking about God making the skies, etc. Not about God creating the skies. There's a slice difference between creating and making.

FxMasterz:


God didn't create them as demons. He created them as men on earth. They became disembodied when they were destroyed. They're demons in their current state but that was not how they were created.

According to the OP, demons are men who inhabited the earth before it became formless and void.

Angels are created as messengers of God.

For the highlighted please quote God's word to back it up!

MaxInDHouse:


For the highlighted please quote God's word to back it up!

The OP already quoted from Jeremiah and Peter.

Maynmann:

Your omnipotent god that created them can’t even kill them again 😂

Yes. He created them to be indestructible. Even human beings also are indestructible.

Maynmann:

Who created the deep water that was used to create heaven and earth?

The deep water was not used to create heaven and earth.

FxMasterz:


No. It wasn't. Genesis 1:8 to 10 is talking about God making the skies, etc. Not about God creating the skies. There's a slice difference between creating and making.

Where did he make the “heaven” from?

Hope you know genesis 1:1 said heavenS in plural and it means Skies,as you said.

FxMasterz:


The deep water was not used to create heaven and earth.

Yes it was, the first thing your god did was to move on the face of the water, that action created light.

FxMasterz:


Yes. He created them to be indestructible. Even human beings also are indestructible.

Then your god is not omnipotent.
He created a stone he can’t lift, or rather “made”.

Maynmann:

Where did he make the “heaven” from?

Hope you know genesis 1:1 said heavenS in plural and it means Skies,as you said.

The Bible didn't tell us about the begining. It only told us that there was a beginning. The activities of God in that beginning was not given to us but there are scriptures that makes us know that God commanded everything into being at once. He created them by His word through His Spirit. Psalm 104:30.

FxMasterz:

The OP already quoted from Jeremiah and Peter.

Did any verse mention "DEMONS" as humans who disembodied?

According to God's word dead is the end of human life!

MaxInDHouse:


Did any verse mention "DEMONS" as humans who disembodied?

According to God's word dead is the end of human life!

Demons have no human life. Dead is the end of terrestrial life. Humans continue to exist as spirits.

Maynmann:

Then your god is not omnipotent.
He created a stone he can’t lift, or rather “made”.

There's nowhere in scripture that says God cannot kill spirits. We know that spirits are immortal. They can't die. That's what God desires.

FxMasterz:

The Bible didn't tell us about the begining. It only told us that there was a beginning. The activities of God in that beginning was not given to us but there are scriptures that makes us know that God commanded everything into being at once. He created them by His word through His Spirit. Psalm 104:30.

In the beginning, there was only formless, void and deep darkness.
The Hebrew tohu is typically translated as “without form” or “formless,” and bohu is rendered “void” or “empty.” Genesis 1:2.

Spirit means wind/breathe as read in genesis 1:2 lol

FxMasterz:

Demons have no human life. Dead is the end of terrestrial life. Humans continue to exist as spirits.

Now you're contradicting God's word because Adam is dead due to his disobedience and he's dead completely! Genesis 3:19

Maynmann:

Yes it was, the first thing your god did was to move on the face of the water, that action created light.

The action didn't create light. God had to call light into being. He said 'Let there be light.'

FxMasterz:


There's nowhere in scripture that says God cannot kill spirits. We know that spirits are immortal. They can't die. That's what God desires.

Where in the “scripture” did it say that “Spirits can't die bro. Spirits are immortal.“

FxMasterz:


The action didn't create light. God had to call light into being. He said 'Let there be light.'

Yes it did, that action is called “contraction”, after he moved on the faces of the water, he said let there he light and he seperated light from darkness,
The darkness was on the face of what, if he is to separate darkness from light,, on which basis did he do that? The deep

MaxInDHouse:


Now you're contradicting God's word because Adam is dead due to his disobedience and he's dead completely! Genesis 3:19

Have you been dead to know that Adam does not exist in the spirit form? There's no contradiction here.

All who died from Adam are translated. Or do you mean all the prophets like Moses, Elijah, etc are all completely dead? Did Jesus not speak with Moses and Elijah on the mountain of transfiguration? Did the parable of the rich man not see Abraham and Lazarus in heaven?

The pre-adamic man was neither promised heaven or hell. Infact, up till the New testament was given, neither heaven nor hell were promised. The only punishment for wicked people was physical punishment. Jesus had to descend into Hades when He died for 3 days to preach to the dead souls that were in prison.

1Peter 3:19
"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;"

Maynmann:

Yes it did, that action is called “contraction”, after he moved on the faces of the water, he said let there he light and he seperated light from darkness,
The darkness was on the face of what, if he is to separate darkness from light,, on which basis did he do that? The deep

I think that's your own interpretation.

God does not do anything without His Spirit. God's Spirit and God's Word are the two instruments of His creativity. There's nothing to support the saying that God created the earth and skies from water.

Maynmann:

Where in the “scripture” did it say that “Spirits can't die bro. Spirits are immortal.“

The Bible never said so, but it is implied and confirmed by our knowledge of the spirit realm.