preciousee17:


Why asking?

Busybrain2233:


So can you please humour me by showing me how he relates to King David through his mother

kkins25:

no waste time bro. Kobo's beliefs don't come from analysis of the claims made in the document, but from the deliberate acceptance, no matter how odd or flawed, of the book as the divine footprint of God. There's one thing to believe in something because it's true, and it's another to believe in something because one thinks it to be true.

You'd continue to go back and forth from here. I've come to call this line of defense the "kobo-loop". At this stage, I recommend you type in CTRL+X to break out of the loop.

Busybrain2233:


To know how Jesus Christ is/was connected to David's bloodline.

preciousee17:
■ Okay my question for you first:
Do you Just want to argue meaningless arguments or you want to truly understand?
My answer for you: Jesus isn't connected to David by biological blood in the way you understand. Infact, David and us all come from Jesus (God)
In the time of Jesus, many people didn't walk around knowing that Jesus was born without intercourse...
They assumed that Joseph and Mary actually got intimate and Jesus came from there. That was the idea, that was enough to paint the picture.
■ A literal intercourse would have meant that Jesus would be born in sin... I couldn't happen.
And that was a sign to confirm God's prophesy.
Everything that happened was symbolic. No errors were made.

Kobojunkie:
1. So what you are saying is that both the angel who announced His ancestry was of David and Zechariah, the priest, who was married to Mary's cousin were both made to lie? Mary was not in fact linked to David at all?

2. Born in sin? What do you even begin to mean by that ?

preciousee17:

You can inherit your father's wealth, you can inherit your father's debts.

preciousee17:
■ He was recognized as the son of Joseph... Didn't I explain that it's the same blood regardless? ■ Where is the lie? Did the prophet prophesy that Joseph and Mary will get intimate and give birth? Or the prophet Isaiah prophesied that, "A virgin will conceive and give birth".

preciousee17:
■ Let me explain it: You can inherit your father's wealth, you can inherit your father's debts. God made a law, man disobeyed by sinning, a sinful nature was activated in man (aka fleshly desires) We inherit a body, gene, soul from our Father(s), we also inherit the fleshly desires... The ability to enjoy doing what's wrong. The king of fleshly desires happen to be s€x and this is also a blood bond (covenant) that unites two people (in the climax of their sinful nature or fleshly desires) So babies are typically created when humans are enjoying the highest level of sinful pleasure (as it was originally made to be by the Almighty)... Paraphrase: Babies are conceived in sin. Jesus couldn't afford to be conceived in that sin, He has to be perfect. It's hard to explain well, it's also hard to understand in the first place. Abeg no stress anybody, if you don't see it as a logical claim, let's leave it...Country is too hard for unnecessary wasting of data online.

Maynman:

Are women less than men? Why can’t their children inherit their mother wealth and debts too?
If atall there is anyone inheriting sin from your tales, it will be the woman.

Kobojunkie:
1. Recognized by whom as the son of Joseph? What same blood are you talking about here? Were Mary and Joseph siblings?

2. Please pay attention abeg! The Angel affirmed that even born of Mary, Jesus Christ was of the line of David. Zechariah confirmed in spirit that Jesus Christ was indeed of the bloodline of David. So, why do you keep harping that the blood connection between Jesus and David is through Joseph, a man whom Jesus Christ had no blood relations to?

Kobojunkie:
So, in your mind, sex between a man and his wife is a sin? You actually believe that God, after carefully designing the Penis and Vagina for exactly that purpose — sex—, and even wiring up all your juiced-up sensory response, condemned it all as sin?

Ignorane is not bliss abeg! In Genesis 3 vs 16, God cursed the woman in childbearing. The implication of this is that every child born via a woman into this world — whether she be a virgin or not — is born via the curse of sin. Jesus Christ was born via that curse of sin.

preciousee17:


But the man always has the upper hand when God is demonstrating stuff.

preciousee17:
■ See why God expects you to maintain your own gender? A woman's child can inherit too and all that...But the man always has the upper hand when God is demonstrating stuff... A woman sins, the man is punished as well...

1 Zelophehad was the son of Hepher. Hepher was the son of Gilead. Gilead was the son of Makir. Makir was the son of Manasseh. Manasseh was the son of Joseph. Zelophehad had five daughters. Their names were Mahlah, Noah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah.
2 These five women went to the Meeting Tent and stood before Moses, Eleazar the priest, the leaders, and all the Israelites. The five daughters said,
3 “Our father died while we were traveling through the desert. He died a natural death. He was not one of the men who joined Korah’s group. (Korah was the man who turned against the Lord.) But our father had no sons.
4 This means that our father’s name will not continue. It is not fair that our father’s name will not continue. His name will end because he had no sons. So we ask you to give us some of the land that our father’s brothers will get.”
5 So Moses asked the Lord what he should do.
6 The Lord said to him,
7 “The daughters of Zelophehad are right. They should share the land with their father’s brothers. So give them the land that you would have given to their father.
8 “So tell the Israelites, ‘If a man has no son, when he dies everything he owns will be given to his daughter.
9 If he has no daughter, everything he owns will be given to his brothers.
10 If he has no brothers, everything he owns will be given to his father’s brothers.
11 If his father had no brothers, everything he owns will be given to the closest relative in his family. This will be a law among the Israelites. The Lord has given this command to Moses.’” - Numbers 27 vs 1 - 11

preciousee17:
■ Again I say — rest. Misquoting people just to achieve your desired point?

preciousee17:
■ You just want to argue. Rest.

Kobojunkie:
There is no Truth to any of what you claim, I am afraid.
Inheritance and ancestry can be determined either through the father or the mother. The above is contained right there in the Law of Moses and is hence the Law as far as God's Israel is concerned.

As for Sin, God made it clear that the one who sins must die. So, there is equally no truth to the claim that God punishes men when women sin.

Kobojunkie:

preciousee17:
■ Sometimes I wish people could calm down, stop misquoting and have a healthy argument.

Just read through everything I wrote and read all your replies... Twisting things so it looks like you've made a point? Can we revisit everything I've said
And everything you claim I said?

Kobojunkie:
Ok oh! Let's revisit then.

preciousee17:
Dig it up, both my claim and your replies let's see something...

Kobojunkie:
You answered none of the questions I asked up to this point....so..

Kobojunkie:
You claimed it was wrong for the ancestry of Mary to be established via Mary, His mother, and you have yet to provide a reason why. Why is it wrong to ask you to do so?

Kobojunkie:

Inheritance and ancestry can be determined either through the father or the mother.

preciousee17:

A woman's child can inherit too and all that...

But the man always has the upper hand

Busybrain2233:


So now answer this plainly.

If Joseph is not the biological father of Jesus Christ, how then is Jesus Christ connected to David's bloodline?

vdestro:


Adoption is also a means of lawful connection as proven by the words "isnt this the carpenter's son"?

Busybrain2233:
So this means Jesus parents where related, and YAWH chose to bring his/her/it only begotten son from persons practicing Incest. Yet he/she/it is against incest.

Busybrain2233:
If Joseph is not the biological father of Jesus Christ, how then is Jesus Christ connected to David's bloodline

FRANCISTOWN:

Those days in Isreal, you can't be called by your mother's family name.

FRANCISTOWN:

Don't mind them. They won't be able give any answers.

David and Mary were cousins.

Mary was from the household of Nathan, David's son while Joseph was from the household of king Solomon but people called Jesus the son of David because they thought Joseph was his father.

Those days in Isreal, you can't be called by your mother's family name.

That "Thou son of David" was an error

"The root and offspring of David" was an error still

Busybrain2233:
I wish Xtians will accept it as error

MaxInDHouse:


You're wrong!

Jews in Jesus' day have adopted the opinion that when a man is married to a Jew and he's practicing the religion of the Jews he has become not just a son in-law but adopted son of his father in-law. That's why Mary's family lineage was documented in Matthew's account! Matthew 1:16, 18

MaxInDHouse:

It's not first century Jews do adopt their sons in-law so Jesus is from the lineage of Joseph and Mary who were both indigenes of Bethlehem Ephrata!

MaxInDHouse:


You're wrong!

Jews in Jesus' day have adopted the opinion that when a man is married to a Jew and he's practicing the religion of the Jews he has become not just a son in-law but adopted son of his father in-law. That's why Mary's family lineage was documented in Matthew's account! Matthew 1:16, 18