tctrills:

I understand why you are uncomfortable with me replying. No problem, I just needed to correct you.

You? That applies to pretty much everyone of those of you who hold to religion. And you can only "correct" when an error in fact exists. You have yet to show this the case by way of the Words or Jesus Christ Himself, the only Teacher in the Kingdom of God.

litigator:
This is one area of our Biblical journey we often shy away from talking about.

I am certain I am not alone in this regard.

How does it feel if at 9. am on a Sunday morning, I come out for an altar call after a powerful heart-shattering and guilt-provoking sermon, give my life to Christ; I am prayed for and declare born again, but I unconsciously commit a sin on my way back home?

And with that guilt, I go back to sin full time like it was before the alter call?

I guess I am not alone in this regard. I have attended church services countless times and listened to sermons and teachings that I can't recollect, and at the end of such endeavour, I obey the alter call one minute, and the next minute, I am back to fornicating. This is one thing that has kept a lot of people out of this spiritual journey.

Even Pastors are not immune to sin, as some have found themselves committing sin at one point or the other. I guess Apostle Paul suffered same in the Bible. And this brings me to my question.


Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

As a baby desire the sincere milk of the word.so said by peter it's a process did u walk in one day?so when u are born again u aren't immune to sin but u have a capacity to walk out of it so that u don't die in it... there is a grave made available for u

Love this topic and was not surprised to see a certain someone here kobo… as usual I disagree with his POV ( 😜) but let’s address your comments.

A sinner by my understanding is someone who sins and dwells in that sin. He is someone who doesn’t even realize that he has committed an offence or has erred according to commandments. He might even know but is not making any conscious effort to get out of it or change.

Now, and as an example,

I have done the altar call ( this is dogma ) just man’s tradition . You can be born again in your living room on a hospital bed. The reason a mog would say step forward is simply an act of faith and in the presence of witnesses that you have decided to be separate . What would happen next is a follow up to make sure you are armed with spiritual resources to strengthen you on your journey of being born again. You will then want to be baptized .
In some cases it could be one shot - you confess your sins and “ here is water “ step in and be a new creation.

Practically - You have been a sinner for 20 + years , the transformation is not magical . Plus the devil ( lust of the flesh , lust of the eyes and pride of life) whose kingdom you have been in isn’t going to fold his hands and say … “ mikey don go “ - there is a battle for our souls …. Unless your house is in order, you will fall /return back to whence you started harder. This is what happens to many of us.

So to answer your question specifically ( I hate the answer go and read the whole bible - it’s not practical . But I love the one where someone said read Romans as it addresses this specific issue of “ the things I want to do , I do not but the things I do not want to do , I do ! “

You are born again , you have been baptized-when you sin , you are no longer a sinner. ( sinning - continuous presence tense ) When you err. ask God for forgiveness and do not be condemned. However, Shall I continue to sins that grace may abound ? Romans 6 - no.
God is also not mocked - he knows your heart.
Many of us are lukewarm - we know scripture but do not implement or abide by it . Revelation says I wish you were hot or cold but being lukewarm , I’ll spit you out ….

Sorry, I thought this would be 5 lines are best - you have the Holy Spirit in you as a comforter. Speak to him , change your mindset on something and may you be strengthened in the Lord.

Kay25:

As a baby desire the sincere milk of the word.so said by peter it's a process did u walk in one day?so when u are born again u aren't immune to sin but u have a capacity to walk out of it so that u don't die in it... there is a grave made available for u

There is grace you mean !

Kay25:

As a baby desire the sincere milk of the word.so said by peter it's a process did u walk in one day? so when u are born again u aren't immune to sin but u have a capacity to walk out of it so that u don't die in it... there is a grave made available for u

You had that very same capacity even before you became born-again. You see even the act of becoming born-again is a bunch of steps away from disobedience(sin) towards obedience. There is no magic to the process. The path toward holiness-- freedom from slavery to sin -- is fraught with continued self-discipline and self control -- self-awareness is how you fight and overcome sin and this through obedience of God's teachings and commandments -- His Law..

Kobojunkie:
1. If this is what you meant when you said you were born-again then I am sorry to tell you is all you did was submit to the ritual of your pastors and mogs which they also term being "born-again" and nothing more. That ritual has no connection to God or Jesus Christ and and Kingdom of God.

2. No, to be born-again --- born of water and born of the Spirit of Eternal Life(a possession by His person)----- means to become a citizen for the Kingdom of God. The process does not purge you of your past sins nor does it immunize you against future sins. As you continue to sin, your sin debt simply continues to pile on.

3. Like I said, the Spirit of Eternal Life aka grace is not given for the purging of sins. Rather He is gifted by God to everyone who will choose to become born-again. Have you ever been received a gift for signing up to for a bank account or test driving a car? Well, think of it as a free gift of Eternal Life(grace) as a gift God hands out to each and everyone who signs up for the Kingdom of God by becoming born-again. The gift is sets you free from the curse of Death and that is that.

4. First things first, God does not answer the petitions of the unrighteous. What this means is that so long as you remain unrighteous, even your pleas for forgiveness go unanswered by God. Only the righteous have their every petition answered by God, including their requests for forgiveness of sins. Second, sin(disobedience) is a choice and so even after you become born-again, it is through self-discipline that you learn to continously submit and obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. God is not going to hold your hand as that work has to be done by you to prove yourself worthy of Jesus Christ. It is by continually choosing obedience, rather than disobedience(sin), that you not only overcome your urge to sin, but you also pay off your sin debt in full.

5. Again, your churches and their many rituals have nothing to do with God or Jesus Christ.

You need to study the scriptures as your post shows one who is so far from it. So we John the Baptist called jesus the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world, he was telling lies? Study to show yourself approved please and stop misrepresenting the gospel.

Kobojunkie:
You had that very same capacity even before you became born-again. You see even the act of becoming born-again is a bunch of steps away from disobedience(sin) towards obedience. There is no magic to the process. The path toward holiness-- freedom from slavery to sin -- is fraught with continued self-discipline and self control -- self-awareness is how you fight and overcome sin and this through obedience of God's teachings and commandments -- His Law..

No, you don't have the power to walk away from sin as a sinner. You are in fact a servant to sin. Read the epistle of Roman's. Apostle paul dealt with sin issue.

litigator:



Are you a Jehovah Witness?

I thought as much too

erniok:
■ You need to study the scriptures as your post shows one who is so far from it. So we John the Baptist called jesus the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world, he was telling lies? Study to show yourself approved please and stop misrepresenting the gospel.

Just because John said that does not mean you should then be carried away by his words and assume that Jesus Christ is some sin/guilt or fellowship offering that purges you of your sins. Jesus Christ
● is the Passover Lamb of God --- Exodus 12 --- and as such not a sacrifice for sins but a mark that causes Death to pass over all those who are marked by His blood. Those who become born-again are released from Death -- the condemnation of sin--- and are gifted with Eternal Life(Eternal grace) in Death's stead - John 3 vs 1 - 21
● is God's Law and path to redemption by which those who continue in submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments are set free by Him, the Truth of God from slavery to sin to become Holy - John 8 vs 31 - 36

You need to learn the details of the gist from the mouth of Jesus Christ Himself as He is the King and Law in the Kingdom of God, His Jurisdiction, not John the Baptist's .

Kobojunkie:
You had that very same capacity even before you became born-again. You see even the act of becoming born-again is a bunch of steps away from disobedience(sin) towards obedience. There is no magic to the process. The path toward holiness-- freedom from slavery to sin -- is fraught with continued self-discipline and self control -- self-awareness is how you fight and overcome sin and this through obedience of God's teachings and commandments -- His Law..

If u had it then u need no Jesus neither to be born again

rickleye:


There is grace you mean !

Yes....

Kobojunkie:
You? That applies to pretty much everyone of those of you who hold to religion. And you can only "correct" when an error in fact exists. You have yet to show this the case by way of the Words or Jesus Christ Himself, the only Teacher in the Kingdom of God.

As usual you are confused. Jesus Christ did not write the bible it was his followers that did and he commanded them and gave them authority to carry on after him so if you don't believe them you can't be a serious follower of Christ.

The day you leave religion for technology, is the day you free from religion bondages, look at African citizen especially black African, they cannot help their self, but looking and waiting for non available miracle

phemmyfour:
You're not immune.

Open your dictionary and check the meaning of immunity

That is why I said "dodging" and "makes you feel like immune" just like a person who has not fallen sick in a long time will feel.

erniok:
■ No, you don't have the power to walk away from sin as a sinner. You are in fact a servant to sin.
■ Read the epistle of Roman's. Apostle paul dealt with sin issue.

As Jesus Christ made known to you in the context of John 8 vs 31, sin(disobedience) is a choice you make. And you being a slave of sin simply means you do not obey the Truth. Sin is not some overlord or power over you but simply the sum total of the choices you made in disobedience of God's commandments and teachings.

2. Jesus Christ said the servant can never be greater than the master. You, by making your skewed interpretations of the words of the servant, in this case, Paul, greater than the words of Jesus Christ. You violate the teachings of Jesus Christ, thereby guaranteeing that no Truth can be had in any of what you cling to. I suggest you begin by understanding the Words of Jesus Christ, the King and Law in the Kingdom of God, before you approach the words of his servants so you can have Truth in place of lies..

tctrills:
■ As usual you are confused. Jesus Christ did not write the bible it was his followers that did and he commanded them and gave them authority to carry on after him so if you don't believe them you can't be a serious follower of Christ.

Where exactly did I state that Jesus Christ wrote anything? Abeg Waka pass me if you can't answer the simple question!

Kobojunkie:
1. If this is what you meant when you said you were born-again then I am sorry to tell you is all you did was submit to the ritual of your pastors and mogs which they also term being "born-again" and nothing more. That ritual has no connection to God or Jesus Christ and and Kingdom of God.

2. No, to be born-again --- born of water and born of the Spirit of Eternal Life(a possession by His person)----- means to become a citizen for the Kingdom of God. The process does not purge you of your past sins nor does it immunize you against future sins. As you continue to sin, your sin debt simply continues to pile on.

3. Like I said, the Spirit of Eternal Life aka grace is not given for the purging of sins. Rather He is gifted by God to everyone who will choose to become born-again. Have you ever been received a gift for signing up to for a bank account or test driving a car? Well, think of it as a free gift of Eternal Life(grace) as a gift God hands out to each and everyone who signs up for the Kingdom of God by becoming born-again. The gift is sets you free from the curse of Death and that is that.

4. First things first, God does not answer the petitions of the unrighteous. What this means is that so long as you remain unrighteous, even your pleas for forgiveness go unanswered by God. Only the righteous have their every petition answered by God, including their requests for forgiveness of sins. Second, sin(disobedience) is a choice and so even after you become born-again, it is through self-discipline that you learn to continously submit and obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. God is not going to hold your hand as that work has to be done by you to prove yourself worthy of Jesus Christ. It is by continually choosing obedience, rather than disobedience(sin), that you not only overcome your urge to sin, but you also pay off your sin debt in full.

5. Again, your churches and their many rituals have nothing to do with God or Jesus Christ.

You actually are incoherent...and contradicted yourself here and there.

You say God does not answer the prayers of the unrighteous even when they ask for forgiveness but answer the prayers of the righteous for forgiveness of sins...

Kay25:
■ If u had it then u need no Jesus neither to be born again

Wrong! You need to have that in order to approach Jesus Christ in the first place. Everybody has it. The capacity to obey a simple commandment. You use it everyday at your business or job, or in your home, with your parents, your children, etc. Everyone has ability to obey simple commands.

What Jesus Christ is needed for is rather for finding the path to God. That is wh my Jesus Christ said, "I am the Way, the Truth of God, and the Life of God. No one can come to the Father except through me." Those who come to the Way that is Jesus Christ do so with their own two feet and they walk the Way that is Jesus Christ using their own two feet(their capability to obey) and it is by doing so that they are then able to attain The Life(Eternal Life aka grace) and then come to know God's Truth which eventually sets them free from slavery to sin. By your own efforts you come to God, and not by magic or unconscious efforts.

Kobojunkie:
As Jesus Christ made known to you in the context of John 8 vs 31, sin(disobedience) is a choice you make. And you being a slave of sin simply means you do not obey the Truth. Sin is not some overlord or power over you but simply the sum total of the choices you made in disobedience of God's commandments and teachings.

2. Jesus Christ said the servant can never be greater than the master. You, by making your skewed interpretations of the words of the servant, in this case, Paul, greater than the words of Jesus Christ. You violate the teachings of Jesus Christ, thereby guaranteeing that no Truth can be had in any of what you cling to. I suggest you begin by understanding the Words of Jesus Christ, the King and Law in the Kingdom of God, before you approach the words of his servants so you can have Truth in place of lies..

Sin is a nature. That was what christ came to deal and offered the Jews freedom in that same john 8. Most of the Jews were strict adherents to the law and yet the Lord called them.brood of vipers.
On the issue of paul, read this thesis first. Paul rightly clarified so many things about the gospel. Even apostle peter that has been with the Lord said so.
I don't know whose message you have been obeying but definitely not christ's.

49cents:
■ You actually are incoherent...and contradicted yourself here and there.
■ You say God does not answer the prayers of the unrighteous even when they ask for forgiveness but answer the prayers of the righteous for forgiveness of sins...

1. Point to the incoherent aspects of the retort please.

2. What part of that do you have a problem understanding?

Righteous men can sin too. Remember David? He was chosen by God because he was also Righteous --- a man after God's own heart -- in his youth. Yet David sinned against God and whenever David cried to God for forgiveness, God always forgave Him. That all happened because David was, again, righteous before God.

God doesn't extend the same courtesy to the unrighteous because the sins of the unrighteous as God explained make filthy/unholy their every offering and requests to Him making them an abomination to God.

alBHAGDADI:

The truth is you may not be genuinely born again, that is why you answer the altar call every now and then. A genuine born again Christian doesn't need to answer altar calls.

Being born again is a one time thing, not something that you do everytime, especially to escape from sin. When your parents gave birth to you, it happened once. Since then, you have not returned to your mother's womb to be born again by her, neither have you ceased being her child because you will always carry her DNA.

Your problem is that you don't understand what being born again means as used by Christians. The moment you believe that Jesus died for your sins to save you, in that instant, you become born again. That means you have experienced a new birth or a second birth. This second birth involves God who gives birth to you just as your mother gave birth to you. Your mother is a flesh, so when she gave birth to you, she gave birth to a flesh. This means you inherited her traits which includes a sinful nature, which is why you always sin. God is a spirit. When he gave birth to you, he gave birth to a spirit. That spirit now lives inside of your flesh. That spirit cannot sin because it inherited the traits of God who can never sin.

1 john 3:9 KJV
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

That is why true Christians believe you can never lose your salvation. Every sin you commit as a Christian is against your flesh and is committed in the flesh not the spirit. When you fornicate, your flesh is involved, not your saved spirit from God. But I ce you are not saved, your spirit suffers from sin as well as your flesh.

So, my friend, accept it that Jesus has saved you for all eternity and has given you eternal life as promised in John 3:6 for believing. Once you believe, your soul is more than 100% guaranteed of heaven and nothing can ever prevent you from that destination. However, if you sin, your flesh will be punished. For example, stealing is a sin. If you get caught stealing, you could go to jail, which is bad. However, when you die, those sins won't be held against your spirit because Jesus has been punished for them already. He has paid the price.

For more, visit my profile; you are likely to see a topic that will guide you properly.

There is nothing like salvation even when in sin. It is a heresy meant to lead people astray even when in sin.

Faith without works is dead else those who didn't feed the hungry amd clothe the naked were prevented entry into God's kingdom.

Baptism is essentially being granted into the life and grace of Christ and it needs your continuous YES to Chirst for it to develop and grow.

Salvation is not like a stamp of Quality Assurance. SALVATION is a decision of acceptance of the Lordship of Christ and a daily YES to that decision

Kobojunkie:
Just because John said that does not mean you should then be carried away by his words and assume that Jesus Christ is some sin/guilt or fellowship offering that purges you of your sins. Jesus Christ
● is the Passover Lamb of God --- Exodus 12 --- and as such not a sacrifice for sins but a mark that causes Death to pass over all those who are marked by His blood. Those who become born-again are released from Death -- the condemnation of sin--- and are gifted with Eternal Life(Eternal grace) in Death's stead - John 3 vs 1 - 21
● is God's Law and path to redemption by which those who continue in submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments are set free by Him, the Truth of God from slavery to sin to become Holy - John 8 vs 31 - 36

You need to learn the details of the gist from the mouth of Jesus Christ Himself as He is the King and Law in the Kingdom of God, His Jurisdiction, not John the Baptist's .

In 1pet2:24, peter, a close companion of the Lord clearly stated that he came to deal with sin. It is a nature and when you believe in your heart, you are translated into his kingdom. It may not look it now but when he appears, we shall be like him. John,in his 1st epistle also stated that christ came to cleanse us from our sins. If the close companions of the Lord say so whom he commanded to teach us to observe all that he has commanded, I wonder why you offer a different opinion like a gnostic

erniok:
■ Sin is a nature.
■ That was what christ came to deal and offered the Jews freedom in that same john 8. Most of the Jews were strict adherents to the law and yet the Lord called them.brood of vipers.
■ On the issue of paul, read this thesis first. Paul rightly clarified so many things about the gospel. Even apostle peter that has been with the Lord said so.
■ I don't know whose message you have been obeying but definitely not christ's.

1. There is nothing of nature about sin.

2. What about the rest of those Jews who were holy and righteous in the sight of God? And by the way, you do realize that Jesus Christ was sent by the Father only to the Lost sheep of Israel -- only the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Just making sure you are aware since you made it a point to point out that His audience in John 8 were of Jewish descent as if that should matter as far as the meaning of what He said.

3. Are you accusing Paul of upturning the Words of Jesus Christ as far as the statement that the servant cannot be greater than the master?

4. So far you seem not to agree with Jesus Christ at all since you continue to insist on ideas that are foreign to His Word.

erniok:
■ In 1pet2:24, peter, a close companion of the Lord clearly stated that he came to deal with sin.
■ It is a nature and when you believe in your heart, you are translated into his kingdom.
■ It may not look it now but when he appears, we shall be like him. John,in his 1st epistle also stated that christ came to cleanse us from our sins. If the close companions of the Lord say so whom he commanded to teach us to observe all that he has commanded, I wonder why you offer a different opinion like a gnostic

Peter never said that Jesus Christ came to purge you of your sins in much the same way that the sin/guilt/fellowship offerings of old did so I am not certain why you jump to that conclusion as far as what he said. Also, please stop with the attempts at making the servant greater than the master and focus on showing where Jesus Christ Himself told you He would wipe away your sins in the same manner as the old sin offerings did.

2. That one na story your pastors and mogs feed una. Go back to John 3 vs 1 - 21 to learn what it truly means to become born-again abeg!

3. Again, John never said that Jesus Christ came to purge you of your sins in much the same way that the sin/guilt/fellowship offerings of old did so I am not certain why you jump to that conclusion as far as what he said. Also, please stop with the attempts at making the servant greater than the master and focus on showing where Jesus Christ Himself told you He would wipe away your sins in the same manner as the old sin offerings did.

Kobojunkie:
1. There is nothing of nature about sin.

2. What about the rest of those Jews who were holy and righteous in the sight of God?

3. Are you accusing Paul of upturning the Words of Jesus Christ as far as the statement that the servant cannot be greater than the master?

On the bolder, there is no upturning. He clarified everything the master had earlier said.
On your number 2, go and read Paul's thesis/letters about how God will judge those who died without knowing christ and those you heard of him and rejected him. You make me think so much that you are fulfilling Roms 10:3.

PS: take out time to read the book of Romans. It will answer you questions.on sin issue. Read with preferably amplified.

Kobojunkie:
Peter never said that Jesus Christ came to purge you of your sins in much the same way that the sin/guilt/fellowship offerings of old did so I am not certain why you jump to that conclusion as far as what he said. Also, please stop with the attempts at making the servant greater than the master and focus on showing where Jesus Christ Himself told you He would wipe away your sins in the same manner as the old sin offerings did.

2. That one na story your pastors and mogs feed una. Go back to John 3 vs 1 - 21 to learn what it truly means to become born-again abeg!

3. Again, John never said that Jesus Christ came to purge you of your sins in much the same way that the sin/guilt/fellowship offerings of old did so I am not certain why you jump to that conclusion as far as what he said. Also, please stop with the attempts at making the servant greater than the master and focus on showing where Jesus Christ Himself told you He would wipe away your sins in the same manner as the old sin offerings did.

What then did peter and john say for clarity purpose.
Stop going the route of servant and master as what the wrote were what the master asked them to do.

erniok:
■ On the bolder, there is no upturning. He clarified everything the master had earlier said. On your number 2, go and read Paul's thesis/letters about how God will judge those who died without knowing christ and those you heard of him and rejected him. You make me think so much that you are fulfilling Roms 10:3.

PS: take out time to read the book of Romans. It will answer you questions.on sin issue. Read with preferably amplified.

1. Paul, like the other apostles, never said any of what you claim though since rather you continue to push what are your assumptions on his letters. Romans 10 , when considered in context(and in light of what the Law says) says absolutely nothing of what you claim. .

erniok:
■ What then did peter and john say for clarity purpose.
■ Stop going the route of servant and master as what the wrote were what the master asked them to do.

1. They both state that Jesus Christ is The Way to overcoming one's sin debt since He alone can take away one's sins. How? See John 8 vs 31 - 36.

2. You want me to disobey God's very own teaching and commandment?

When Christ walked the earth himself and John the baptist preached and taught their Jewish listeners that God's kingdom is closer than ever {Matthew 3:2; 4:17} this means that God's plan to restore sanity on planet earth is about to begin it's actualization. Jews as a nation with whom God made a covenant will be pro-active in the whole process but majority of them were nursing grudges against surrounding nations that has been their perpetual enemies like Samaritans (Northern Israel) and most especially Rome their colonizers. So each Jew must have a total change of viewpoint regarding those they view as neighbours and enemies. Most of them has been baptised by John as a sign of their heartfelt repentance towards God's laws which their ancestors have been breaking over the centuries! Jeremiah 31:31-33

So the question raised is:
Are they going to continue behaving like their faithless ancestors or they will wholeheartedly welcome the wise counsel of the Christ?
That's why they need to be BORN AGAIN in line with the counsel of Christ so that they may become useful in winning over others for the kingdom of God through preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood.
The God of Abraham will then choose among those who have accepted the wise counsel of Christ to become corulers with Christ in Jerusalem.
But majority of the Jews rejected Jesus because he wasn't vengeful as they expected of a Jewish King that will support the killing of their enemies.
That's why the invitation to become part of the corulers with Christ was extended to people of other nations who accepted the wise counsel on the Christ. Matthew 22:1-14
The Jews treated God's servants (sent to them) badly {Matthew 5:11-12} they also schemed the death of Christ {Matthew 27:25} so they lost the privilege of being called God's people as a nation {Matthew 21:43} and their city (Jerusalem) is no longer worthy of being the center for God's kingdom {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why Jesus foretold bad things against Jerusalem and their temple {Matthew 24:1-2 compare to Luke 21:24} this left his disciples really devastated because they believe in Jerusalem. That's why Jesus told them the new plan that instead of Jerusalem they will be taken to another place where they will have to stay and rule over the earth with him:

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God; exercise faith also in me. In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be" John 14:1-3

But only few Jews embraced Christ so people from other nations will be called to complete the needed number of corulers with Christ {Revelations 14:1} all the 144,000 will be selected among faithful disciples of Christ that is why they are called BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS not that all Christians must be born again rather it's only this limited number that are BORN AGAIN and they're the only people to go to the new center of God's kingdom: Heaven!

litigator:

Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

NO!

litigator:

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

NO! A BORN AGAIN Christian can loose his part in being one of Christ's corulers.

litigator:

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

NO! Practicers of sin will loose out completely.

litigator:

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

Churches of Christendom don't know what being BORN AGAIN really means.

Kobojunkie:
Where exactly did I state that Jesus Christ wrote anything? Abeg Waka pass me if you can't answer the simple question!

I have already answered your question. Baptism is for the forginess of sin.

tctrills:

I have already answered your question. Baptism is for the forginess of sin.

There is absolutely no connection between this so-called response of yours and the question I asked.

Kobojunkie:
Where in His Gospel did Jesus Christ say this to you?

Please don't bother responding by providing one of your many magicsl interpretations of the words of one of His apostles in an attempt to make the student greater than the master, a scheme typical of the religious.

Kobojunkie:
There is absolutely no connection between this so-called response of yours and the question I asked.

There is 100% connection. If you don't believe the words of his apostles then you are not his follower.
John 17.20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.