MaxInDHouse:
Churches of Christendom don't know what being BORN AGAIN really means.

lost false jw mad max

really, all of christianity doesn't know what being born again means,

you really dum aren't you, and of course a habitual liar:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


Christendom. / (ˈkrɪsəndəm) / noun. the collective body of Christians throughout the world or throughout history. an obsolete word for Christianity.

johnw47:

Christendom. / (ˈkrɪsəndəm) / noun. the collective body of Christians throughout the world or throughout history. an obsolete word for Christianity.

CHRISTENDOM: different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming they're following Christ.

CHRISTIANITY: movement of Christ's followers.

DIFFERENCE!
In CHRISTIANITY all members are strictly following the teachings of a first century Jewish young man named Jesus of Nazareth known as CHRIST. So they're united in their thoughts as they have agreed on what the Bible taught regarding their founder {John 17:17} they don't hate anyone so even for their enemies they must love and pray {Luke 6:27-28} out of love they must visit their neighbours {Mark 12:31} in order to share what they believe about the future hope {Matthew 10:11-13} they must be ready to make any sacrifice for the love of their fellow believers {John 13:34-35; 15:12-13} they must not partake in worldly politics {John 17:14} because politics and racism will cause division among them and lead them into hating and killing not only pagans but members of their own religion in other places! Revelations 6:3-4

In CHRISTENDOM different religions use the Bible to support the idea of their role model they call "PASTOR" and since each person have his own choice of PASTOR there is conflicting doctrines and contradicting teachings leading them to form various sects. With that it's easy for politicians to call their pastors using him to buy over supporters during political struggles so they can't concentrate on the teachings of CHRIST whom they're claiming as their leader rather each person follows his or her own choice of teacher hence they will pick up weapons or support the killing of their fellow believers in other places yet they'll still claim they're followers of CHRIST who commanded his own disciples never to raise weapons against anyone! Matthew 26:52

I hope you learn from this!

MaxInDHouse:
CHRISTENDOM: different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming they're following Christ.
CHRISTIANITY: movement of Christ's followers.
DIFFERENCE!
In CHRISTIANITY all members are strictly following the teachings of a first century Jewish young man named Jesus of Nazareth known as CHRIST. So they're united in their thoughts as they have agreed on what the Bible taught regarding their founder {John 17:17} they don't hate anyone so even for their enemies they must love and pray {Luke 6:27-28} out of love they must visit their neighbours {Mark 12:31} in order to share what they believe about the future hope {Matthew 10:11-13} they must be ready to make any sacrifice for the love of their fellow believers {John 13:34-35; 15:12-13} they must not partake in worldly politics {John 17:14} because politics and racism will cause division among them and lead them into hating and killing not only pagans but members of their own religion in other places! Revelations 6:3-4
In CHRISTENDOM different religions use the Bible to support the idea of their role model they call "PASTOR" and since each person have his own choice of PASTOR there is conflicting doctrines and contradicting teachings leading them to form various sects. With that it's easy for politicians to call their pastors using him to buy over supporters during political struggles so they can't concentrate on the teachings of CHRIST whom they're claiming as their leader rather each person follows his or her own choice of teacher hence they will pick up weapons or support the killing of their fellow believers in other places yet they'll still claim they're followers of CHRIST who commanded his own disciples never to raise weapons against anyone! Matthew 26:52
I hope you learn from this!

most dum brainwashed lost false jw mad max

you believe everything people in your org. tell you
Christendom and Christianity is the exact same thing

Christendom. / (ˈkrɪsəndəm) / noun. the collective body of Christians throughout the world or throughout history. an obsolete word for Christianity.


so many words just to lie

helicoptarr:
Nope!!!

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Galatians 6⁷

Therefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Philippians 2¹²

Kindly explain further sir.

johnw47:

most dum brainwashed lost false jw mad max
you believe everything people in your org. tell you Christendom and Christianity is the exact same thing Christendom. / (ˈkrɪsəndəm) / noun. the collective body of Christians throughout the world or throughout history. an obsolete word for Christianity.
so many words just to lie

Why not prove me wrong using what Jesus himself said?
For your information the dictionary you're using also say Muhammad and Jesus are both sent by God. Do you agree to that?
No wonder God's word foretold that Satan will hijack the name God's people will use as a curse and the true God will destroy Satan and all those following him disguising with that group name (CHRISTIANS) but His own people He (GOD) will call by another group name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15
So you people can continue deceiving yourselves claiming you're Christians while contradicting yourselves in doctrines and multiplying in sects {Luke 11:23} we are in our spiritual paradise as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} speaking in harmony {Zephaniah 3:9} just as our Master Lord and King Christ Jesus prayed for us to be! John 17:22

MaxInDHouse:


Why not prove me wrong using what Jesus himself said?
For your information the dictionary you're using also say Muhammad and Jesus are both sent by God. Do you agree to that?
No wonder God's word foretold that Satan will hijack the name God's people will use as a curse and the true God will destroy Satan and all those following him disguising with that group name (CHRISTIANS) but His own people He (GOD) will call by another group name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15
So you people can continue deceiving yourselves claiming you're Christians while contradicting yourselves in doctrines and multiplying in sects {Luke 11:23} we are in our spiritual paradise as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} speaking in harmony {Zephaniah 3:9} just as our Master Lord and King Christ Jesus prayed for us to be! John 17:22

Religion js just a tool man developed to seek God. God, himself, is not religious.

litigator:

Religion js just a tool man developed to seek God. God, himself, is not religious.

Are you sure of what you typed or you're just tired of all the atrocities committed in the name of RELIGION?

litigator:


Kindly explain further sir.

The moment we confess the Lord Jesus Christ as our personal Savior and are saved, all the sins committed prior to the moment of salvation are wiped out of our record (everything we do here on earth is being recorded).

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
1 John 1:9

“Come now, and let us reason together,” saith the Lord. “Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isaiah 1:18

However, our self-will remain intact. Meaning we still have the power or capacity to turn away from God. Otherwise, we'd be like robots with no genuine love for God.
If the possibility to fall is eliminated at the point of confession then there's no need to be careful. It's only those lying on the floor that can't fall.
That said, God is still Holy and His eyes cannot behold evil. Habakkuk 1:13


"Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."
1 Corinthians 10:12

"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
Proverbs 16:25

"Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil."
Proverbs 3:7

"For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee."
Romans 11:21

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:1-2

"Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents."
1 Corinthians 10:9


The Word of God has said it all.

Anyone who dies in sin will not enter the kingdom of God no matter how nice, kind, generous or active in the work of God.
And when the Lord Jesus returns, even the unraptured Christians will fnd it difficult to buy back their salvation with their blood. And many will bow to the antichrist for a relief from unimaginable pain and torture. Their end is eternal damnation in hell.

litigator:
This is one area of our Biblical journey we often shy away from talking about.

I am certain I am not alone in this regard.

How does it feel if at 9. am on a Sunday morning, I come out for an altar call after a powerful heart-shattering and guilt-provoking sermon, give my life to Christ; I am prayed for and declare born again, but I unconsciously commit a sin on my way back home?

And with that guilt, I go back to sin full time like it was before the alter call?

I guess I am not alone in this regard. I have attended church services countless times and listened to sermons and teachings that I can't recollect, and at the end of such endeavour, I obey the alter call one minute, and the next minute, I am back to fornicating. This is one thing that has kept a lot of people out of this spiritual journey.

Even Pastors are not immune to sin, as some have found themselves committing sin at one point or the other. I guess Apostle Paul suffered same in the Bible. And this brings me to my question.


Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Colossians 3:16

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Romans 8:33

Every church inherently has its disciplinary committee to check, correct, admonish, discipline its ministers (pastors, workers). They do not judge erring individuals. The disciplinary committee in the wisdom of the Holy Spirit determine the appropriate disciplinary measures to each case.

However, in cases where an individual - a minister or a member - offers up him/herself as a tool for the devil, deliberately constituting nuisance to the extent that they may contaminate the wholesomeness of others, it's only reasonable for such an agent to be barnished by they wreak havoc.

I must add that the consequences of shaming, abusing or ridiculing a man of God, whether or not he's fake or even if he commits a sin is grave.

However, in situations where a crime is committed by them, let the law of the land be applied.

Wizardslayer:
No mortal man is holy and born again no matter the pretence.

That's nothing, but the truth

alBHAGDADI:

The truth is you may not be genuinely born again, that is why you answer the altar call every now and then. A genuine born again Christian doesn't need to answer altar calls.

Being born again is a one time thing, not something that you do everytime, especially to escape from sin. When your parents gave birth to you, it happened once. Since then, you have not returned to your mother's womb to be born again by her, neither have you ceased being her child because you will always carry her DNA.

Your problem is that you don't understand what being born again means as used by Christians. The moment you believe that Jesus died for your sins to save you, in that instant, you become born again. That means you have experienced a new birth or a second birth. This second birth involves God who gives birth to you just as your mother gave birth to you. Your mother is a flesh, so when she gave birth to you, she gave birth to a flesh. This means you inherited her traits which includes a sinful nature, which is why you always sin. God is a spirit. When he gave birth to you, he gave birth to a spirit. That spirit now lives inside of your flesh. That spirit cannot sin because it inherited the traits of God who can never sin.

1 john 3:9 KJV
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

That is why true Christians believe you can never lose your salvation. Every sin you commit as a Christian is against your flesh and is committed in the flesh not the spirit. When you fornicate, your flesh is involved, not your saved spirit from God. But I ce you are not saved, your spirit suffers from sin as well as your flesh.

So, my friend, accept it that Jesus has saved you for all eternity and has given you eternal life as promised in John 3:6 for believing. Once you believe, your soul is more than 100% guaranteed of heaven and nothing can ever prevent you from that destination. However, if you sin, your flesh will be punished. For example, stealing is a sin. If you get caught stealing, you could go to jail, which is bad. However, when you die, those sins won't be held against your spirit because Jesus has been punished for them already. He has paid the price.

For more, visit my profile; you are likely to see a topic that will guide you properly.

I also benefited a lot here. Thank you for the sheared post

Kobojunkie:
i see you haven't been paying attention at all as you seem here to argue for the sake of arguing.

“Life is Short. Make Sure You Spend As Much Time As Possible on the Internet Arguing with Strangers.”

rickleye:
■ [size=8pt]We are not dealing with law of Moses but law of Christ. Where sin abounds Grace abounds much more. You cannot have confessed with your mouth and believe with your heart and be a sinner. As long as you are on this earth you’ll be confronted with decisions and one will err. To him that knows goodand doesn’t do it - to him is sin. James 4:17.
■ Because I play soccer doesn’t mean I am a footballer . You must do so professionally - live and breathe it. The same with being a Teacher - you have undergone certain training to become one.
■ We are born into Sin .
■ Confessing with your mouth and believing with your heart gets you saved. Born Again. Saved from sin.
■ Commit a sin doesn’t remove that seal. But one will suffer the repercussions of a stunted growth . No fruit of the spirit etc.
I’d like one day for us to have a discussion cuz I know you and I will not come to same conclusion. [/size]

1. Again with the noise! Read what Jesus Christ told you about how to become free from slavery to sin in John 8 vs 31 - 44. So long as you are a slave to sin, there is no good---- works ofRighteousness ---- to be obtained from you by God, this since yours sins make filthy all your works rendering them an abomination to God - Isaiah 64 vs 1 - 6. So, as long you are unrighteous --- though born-again--- , what James said does not apply to you.

2. Now with that mind, realize that because you are born-again does not mean you are Holy and Righteous and as such you are urged by Jesus Christ to seek first the Kingdom of God(Holiness) and then God's Righteousness, in order that all these things---- the blessings and rewards of the Kingdom of God ---- shall be added to you. When Jesus Christ urged you to become holy(set free from slavery to sin) and then proceeded to tell you in John 8 vs 31 - 38 how to become Holy, Jesus Christ was not being foolish at all.

3. Born into sin? Meaning Jesus Christ was also born into sin?

4. Jesus Christ never said anywhere in His Gospel that confessing with your mouth will save you from sin. So where do you get this idea of yours from except from the religious scripts of your pastors and mogs aka religion?

5. Remove what seal? Where do these fairy tales which are found nowhere in the Law and Truth as spoken by Jesus Christ come from?

Abuventure:
John 3:Jesus said no one will inherit the kingdom unless he is born of water and spirit.according to your logic no one will make heaven

I am afraid I don't follow at all.

My logic is You must be born-again -- born of water and born of Spirit--- in order to partake of either of Heaven or Hellfire. Only those who are born-again an access either the Broad Gates which leads to destruction or the Narrow Gate which leads to True Life..

Kobojunkie:
1. Again with the noise! Read what Jesus Christ told you about how to become free from slavery to sin in John 8 vs 31 - 44. So long as you are a slave to sin, there is no good---- works ofRighteousness ---- to be obtained from you by God, this since yours sins make filthy all your works rendering them an abomination to God - Isaiah 64 vs 1 - 6. So, as long you are unrighteous --- though born-again--- , what James said does not apply to you.

2. Now with that mind, realize that because you are born-again does not mean you are Holy and Righteous and as such you are urged by Jesus Christ to seek first the Kingdom of God(Holiness) and then God's Righteousness, in order that all these things---- the blessings and rewards of the Kingdom of God ---- shall be added to you. When Jesus Christ urged you to become holy(set free from slavery to sin) and then proceeded to tell you in John 8 vs 31 - 38 how to become Holy, Jesus Christ was not being foolish at all.

3. Born into sin? Meaning Jesus Christ was also born into sin?

4. Jesus Christ never said anywhere in His Gospel that confessing with your mouth will save you from sin. So where do you get this idea of yours from except from the religious scripts of your pastors and mogs aka religion?

5. Remove what seal? Where do these fairy tales which are found nowhere in the Law and Truth as spoken by Jesus Christ come from?

You sound like someone bounded by the law ( the 10 commandments) and not the spirit of God. ( love )
2Cor 5 :11-20 - talks about the new nature of man when we are reconciled to God ( being born again ) read it from an unbiased mind.
He also talks about us being ambassadors .

You misconstrued John 8:31-44 . Look at it from the original text (Greek/ Hebrew ) and not just English. In here he is referring to habitual sin and not a person who stumbles in sin.
Those people’s thoughts were to kill him , their hearts were hardened against the word of God.they thought they were superior due to their lineage . In context - when Peter sin and denied Christ , he was forgiven - Go and tell my disciples and Peter …. Judas would have been forgiven if he had confessed his sin and not committed suicide but he’s death was that scripture would be fulfilled.

As you know Jesus was not born in Sin as the genetic make was not of any man/sexual intercourse . But by immaculate conception.

How are you doing? Have u read romans?

litigator:
This is one area of our Biblical journey we often shy away from talking about.

I am certain I am not alone in this regard.

How does it feel if at 9. am on a Sunday morning, I come out for an altar call after a powerful heart-shattering and guilt-provoking sermon, give my life to Christ; I am prayed for and declare born again, but I unconsciously commit a sin on my way back home?

And with that guilt, I go back to sin full time like it was before the alter call?

I guess I am not alone in this regard. I have attended church services countless times and listened to sermons and teachings that I can't recollect, and at the end of such endeavour, I obey the alter call one minute, and the next minute, I am back to fornicating. This is one thing that has kept a lot of people out of this spiritual journey.

Even Pastors are not immune to sin, as some have found themselves committing sin at one point or the other. I guess Apostle Paul suffered same in the Bible. And this brings me to my question.


Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?