MightySparrow:


Whose name then?

MightySparrow:


God

AntiChristian:


You mean the father was siting on Jesus who's sitting on the Holy Spirit or One God with three heads of Jesus, father and Spirit?

MightySparrow:


With what was He created. John 1: 1

MightySparrow:


With what was He created. John 1: 1

FRANCISTOWN:




We already know that the bible is full of gaffes and contradictions but I'm not bothered about that.

Now let's see this, the bible really doesn't have a stand about the Trinity. The term "Holy Trinity" has caused a lot of confusions and disparities in the christain body since the days of Augustine of Hippos.

The bible didn't state pedagogically whether the three are one or same in hierarchy.

For instance, Jesus in
John 1 "... And the Word was God" note the bible Titled the "Word" with uppercase "W", the author was definitely referring to a proper noun.

John 10: 30 "I and the Father are one.”

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

John 14:8-11 “'Philip,' Jesus replied, 'after I have been with you all this time, you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father...."

John 16:15, He says, “All that belongs to the Father is mine.”


Jesus also claimed to be able answer prayers, which according to your Bible only God can do.

Also in Revelation 1:8; 21:6; and 22:13, Jesus called himself the "Alpha and the Omega", which is the beginning and the end. Only a God can be the beginning and the end .

From the above scripture, it's clear that Jesus is the same as God.

bobestman:
Their is nothing to argue here. Whether you believe in one, two or trinity you are right. They are 3 personalities that works in unison. It doesn't mean that they are tied together as one like someone thinks. When Antichristian tells his son Maximus to go and switch on the light in a house. Maximus goes to the switch and switch it on to do what his father said. When he does this, the light ons by the help of an Electromagnetic force (the mother/holy spirit). Now Antichristian the father, Maximus the son and the father's spirit worked together to generate the light. When the father sent the son to the world, he can't do anything till the father's spirit/the mother/holy spirit came on him. They are one cos they work in unison. They are not tied together as some foolishly think. You might see only the father on the throne cos the other 2 are always on the move. Their are 3 thrones their and even other thrones for the 24 elders. If the 24 had thrones their why can't the mother and son have? Make una dey play

bobestman:
Their is nothing to argue here. Whether you believe in one, two or trinity you are right. They are 3 personalities that works in unison.

It doesn't mean that they are tied together as one like someone thinks. When Antichristian tells his son Maximus to go and switch on the light in a house. Maximus goes to the switch and switch it on to do what his father said. When he does this, the light ons by the help of an Electromagnetic force (the mother/holy spirit). Now Antichristian the father, Maximus the son and the father's spirit worked together to generate the light. When the father sent the son to the world, he can't do anything till the father's spirit/the mother/holy spirit came on him. They are one cos they work in unison. They are not tied together as some foolishly think. You might see only the father on the throne cos the other 2 are always on the move. Their are 3 thrones their and even other thrones for the 24 elders. If the 24 had thrones their why can't the mother and son have? Make una dey play

22jumpstreet1:


so God sent himself down to become his one son, but with a different name ..
to sacrifice himself to himself,
just to convince himself to forgive us our sins...


sound so dumb

MightySparrow:



Which do you think?

FRANCISTOWN:


It doesn't sound so dumb to those who believe in that nonsense.

How can "I" as a God(Yahweh), the omnipotent , incarnate as a man(Jesus), to sacrifice myself (Jesus) to myself (Yahweh) for the same man that I cursed by myself(Yahweh), so as to appease myself(Yahweh )of myself by myself (Jesus) because "I" (Yahweh) didn't have the power to forgive man until I (Yahweh )see a stream of blood coming from myself (Jesus) while hanging myself (Jesus) on the crucifix?

I don't know how that shit story doesn't give people headache, honestly.

AntiChristian:


My own position is that God is One and only One such that he needs no son to help him in His dominion or to save any of His creations!

22jumpstreet1:


it just gave me ...


wait make i drink panadol...

FRANCISTOWN:

That their story book doesn't even worth my time no more

FRANCISTOWN:

Thanks for furthering the confusion and gaffe.
If nothing was created but by the Word according to John , and the Word said he is the beginning of creation.
Some things:
1. What was the "Word" created of?
2. The word is still a creation
3. The Word is not the beginning, because the word was also created.
4. The Word was with God as a separate entity.

22jumpstreet1:


Deut. 6:4

AntiChristian:


My own position is that God is One and only One such that he needs no son to help him in His dominion or to save any of His creations!

FRANCISTOWN:


You're asking me?? 🙄🙄🙄
Do I look like someone who believes anything from that fairybook?

FRANCISTOWN:

Thanks for furthering the confusion and gaffe.

If nothing was created but by the Word according to John , and the Word said he is the beginning of creation.

Some things:

1. What was the "Word" created of?

2. The word is still a creation

3. The Word is not the beginning, because the word was also created.

4. The Word was with God as a separate entity.

MightySparrow:


And the what was God.
So?

MightySparrow:


Why do you think He would not need a Son?

Are you His counsellor?

Why are Muslims helping Allah to kill his enemies?

AntiChristian:


Check this verse from Max above:

“Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” Act 7:56

The son of Man (i.e. Jesus) was standing....the father probably sitting was separate from your son of man and the holy Spirit must be somewhere else!

AntiChristian:


It's our Dad that needs heir so they gave birth to us!

Why would God need a son?

Does it make sense?



Muslims kill! Atheists kill! Traditionalists kills! Christians Kill! Jews Kill!
There are many acts of such in the Bible. You can reply me if you need me to bombard you with them!

SIRTee15:


Mr Man that's metaphorical. It's Jewish way of expressing divine messianic claim. God has no hand not to talk of right hand. He's a spirit.
Stop forcing Quranic concept into the bible.
Someone standing on the right hand of God is a way of saying both has the same essence and nature.

AntiChristian:


Chai! Subhanallah! But the context shows it's not metaphorical!

The Stoning of Stephen
…55But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked intently into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56“Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 57At this they covered their ears, cried out in a loud voice, and rushed together at him.…



I admit that one has to be asinine to successfully explain trinity!

For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5

1. One God! (Not three)
and
2. One mediator between God and mankind who is THE MAN (NOT GOD) JESUS CHRIST!

God is one!
Jesus is man not God!

22jumpstreet1:


why would i even need a man like me to mediate between me and GOD,,,
why would i not just go straight to him as he asked us..

''do not have any other god/man (my addition) before me''

AntiChristian:
God is one existence but can manifest in three persons!
How does God manifest in three persons yet one of the "persons" calls the other "person" God?

If Jesus calls the father God and they are both persons in the trinity then can we say Jesus is God to the father too?

AntiChristian:

That's your division. My division of a human is into only namely: Body and Soul/Spirit. i.e. Spirit = Soul.

AntiChristian:

I am the one sitting! My body and Soul! But this is never applicable in God's case!

Check this verse from Max above:

“Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” Act 7:56

The son of Man (i.e. Jesus) was standing....the father probably sitting was separate from your son of man and the holy Spirit must be somewhere else!

AntiChristian:


Chai! Subhanallah! But the context shows it's not metaphorical!

The Stoning of Stephen
…55But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked intently into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56“Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 57At this they covered their ears, cried out in a loud voice, and rushed together at him.…



I admit that one has to be asinine to successfully explain trinity!

For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5

1. One God! (Not three)
and
2. One mediator between God and mankind who is THE MAN (NOT GOD) JESUS CHRIST!

God is one!
Jesus is man not God!

AntiChristian:


I agree, just pointing him to another contradiction to what he said earlier!

SIRTee15:


There's a difference between God and God incarnate my friend.
God took a flesh upon himself and manifested as the 2nd person of the trinity in a person called Jesus.
Jesus also has the human nature with a human soul. That human nature must be subservient to the divine nature which is God.
Just like we must ensure our human nature submits to our spirit nature- influenced by the holy spirit to be real Christians.

Then don't extrapolate your erroneous thought to Christian theology.
The bible clearly teach the separation of the soul and spirit.
Your Koran muddled it up and leaves it's readers confused on which is which.

How is it not applicable. You are seen as one despite u having a spirit and a soul. Your existence is one entity, so u would be seen as one. God entity is ONE and will always be seen as ONE my friend.

Now to some doctrinal teachings. God described himself having a soul, would his soul be seen differently from him? Would the spirit of God which is the holy spirit be seen differently from him.
If your own soul can't be seen differently, why do u think the soul and spirit of God be seen differently.

U said u believe soul and spirit is the same. So tell me what is ruh and naffs in the Koran.
Which one gives life to man, which one is the seat of emotions and intelligence in man, which one departs and return to God after death.
According to the Koran is the soul naffs or ruh? Is the spirit naffs or ruh.

SIRTee15:


There's no contradictions. Jesus is fully man and fully God and rightly described himself as such.
I'm sure you been told million times but I understand.
The day u accept is the day u leave Islam. So continue ignorance of compulsion.