When I engaged Reno on Christian doctrines he blocked me...
He's just a charlatan!.

Noneroone:
A fool doing his thing.
Pastor doubting the fundamentals of Christianity in order to please muslims and get appointment.

You got it na Vp he dey look for na Ss joe Igbokwe

RealEzee:
Well he is right in this regard

The doctrine of the trinity was introduced lots of years after the era of Christ apostles through a council.

Yes just like they also told you that mungo park discovered the source of the niger a river that has been in existence long before his Ancestors were born. That it was introduced long after they were gone Does not mean it has never existed. Or an Uncle sat on one of your fathers property or money long after his death and somehow a lawyer came along to show you documents that the property is yours , so you will not claim them cos your did not know about it previously

Truthday:
I think this is a research well detailed by Mr. Reno, don't be emotional about it, rather give a contradicting evidence.

Yeah. I don't totally agree with everything he said but I totally agree with his main point that the trinity doctrine was man-made not scriptural.

The doctrine was established after Constantine took over the church. The first formed the Nicene council where they established that God was a duo comprising "God the Father" and "God the son". There was nothing like trinity then. They later established in the Athanasian council that God is a trio. They included "God the holy spirit". Hence the trinity.

If you check the whole Bible, you will never find these phrases, "God the son" and "God the holy spirit". So where did they come from?

So the plain truth is that the trinity doctrine was not taught nor preached by Jesus or any of his apostles.
There was nothing like that in the early church.
There belief was that God the Father is the one true God and Jesus Christ is God's son. God made Jesus to be lord and Messiah and God is greater than Jesus.
John 17:4, 1 Cor 8:5,6, Acts 2:36, 1 Cor 11:3

Babinski:


Reno is just an ass trying to lead the weak astray, a wolf in sheep's clothing that has been revealing his true colours for a while now.

Trying to say the Torah is scripture to the exclusion of the Bible is misleading. The Torah comprises the first 5 books of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), also called the Law (or the Pentateuch, in Christianity). The Bible incorporates the Torah in addition to other writings inspired by God. In Matthew 5:17 Jesus made reference to the Law (Torah) and the writings of the Prophets. In Luke 4:17 when Jesus walked into a synagogue, he was handed the book of Prophet Isaiah to read from. The synagogue recognized the writings of the Prophets as scripture. The prophesies about the messiah that the Jews were expecting were in the writings of the Prophets. All these are incorporated in the Bible. So for someone to now say only the Torah is scripture even in the days of Jesus, that person is just being silly.

Now on the issue of Trinity. If asked who discovered America some will say Christopher Columbus. But we know there are several human beings who have been there before him.

Though it is agreed that the Council of Nicea in 325 AD proclaimed Trinity as a Christian doctrine, the concept of Trinity is established in the Bible by more than one verse and resonates through from the Old to the New Testaments covering hundreds of years before the council. It is a fact that the Coucil did not re-write the Bible to support Trinity. They only came about it from several supporting verses in the Bible to give the concept a name. They did not create the concept, they only gave it a name. Jesus has been God to Christians well before the Council of Nicea. John 1:1 was clear about it: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Reno is trying to lead astray Christians who do not know the Bible and some of the Histories of Christianity over the years. It is pitiable he calls himself a Pastor.

Futher Reading and References:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Torah

https://www.worldviewsummit.org/post/christians-regarded-jesus-as-god-long-before-council-of-nicea

https://www.biblword.net/christians-believe-three-gods/

I get your point when said Reno holds the Torah higher than the bible,he gave his reasons,but in regards to his discuss about the doctrine of trinity he is not far from the truth cos the old testament nor does the new testament support this idea but only contradicts it. the commentaries from the bible and the Torah citing the existence of these 3 entities as one personage is not evident nor do the jews believe in a trinity as taught by the council of nicea.

The Old testament talks about the plurality of Gods ,for in Genesis states "let us make man",king of Kings,promised messiah,etc the prophets of the old testament taught of the coming of the son of God,not God the father coming as a son.

The new testament testifying of the these 3 beings as seperate entities.christ baptism for example ,Christ on earth,voice from heaven saying this is my beloved son,the sign of the holy ghost confirming to John the Baptist of the divinity of Christ.
Christ in many instances talks of him been sent by the father to do his will,praying to the father in many instances,even on the cross,Christ telling his disciples that the comforter(the holyghost) will come to them to teach them all things after his demise,even Stephen when filled with the holy ghost when been stoned saw Christ on the right hand of God the father etc like many instances in the bible supports the nature of God the father,the son and the Holy Ghost as 3 separate entities yet working in unison and one personage manifesting in 3 forms.

Many peeps tend to quote Christ saying i and my father are one as a stance to defend the doctrine of trinity but misunderstand Christ refered to him and his father are one in purpose not one personage.for Christ taught to pray to the father in his name not pray to him,Christ taught he came to teach the father will not Christ will,thru out the bible Christ is instrument in the father hand to do his will with men on earth.

Doctrine of trinity and others alike were debated in the old church,some things were changed.The early catholic church faced lots of challenges in points of doctrine and administration and that led to the break away ,those times no funny sha .

Reno is not far from the truth .

RealEzee:
I get your point when said Reno holds the Torah higher than the bible,he gave his reasons,but in regards to his discuss about the doctrine of trinity he is not far from the truth cos the old testament nor does the new testament support this idea but only contradicts it. the commentaries from the bible and the Torah citing the existence of these 3 entities as one personage is not evident nor do the jews believe in a trinity as taught by the council of nicea.

The Old testament talks about the plurality of Gods ,for in Genesis states "let us make man",king of Kings,promised messiah,etc the prophets of the old testament taught of the coming of the son of God,not God the father coming as a son.

The new testament testifying of the these 3 beings as seperate entities.christ baptism for example ,Christ on earth,voice from heaven saying this is my beloved son,the sign of the holy ghost confirming to John the Baptist of the divinity of Christ.
Christ in many instances talks of him been sent by the father to do his will,praying to the father in many instances,even on the cross,Christ telling his disciples that the comforter(the holyghost) will come to them to teach them all things after his demise,even Stephen when filled with the holy ghost when been stoned saw Christ on the right hand of God the father etc like many instances in the bible supports the nature of God the father,the son and the Holy Ghost as 3 separate entities yet working in unison and one personage manifesting in 3 forms.

Many peeps tend to quote Christ saying i and my father are one as a stance to defend the doctrine of trinity but misunderstand Christ refered to him and his father are one in purpose not one personage.for Christ taught to pray to the father in his name not pray to him,Christ taught he came to teach the father will not Christ will,thru out the bible Christ is instrument in the father hand to do his will with men on earth.

Doctrine of trinity and others alike were debated in the old church,some things were changed.The early catholic church faced lots of challenges in points of doctrine and administration and that led to the break away ,those times no funny sha .

Reno is not far from the truth .

Some people seem to misunderstand Trinity as implying that God the Son is God the Father. That assumption is wrong and without Biblical basis. If the assumption was right, there would be no need to distinguish the two. Jesus in the Bible also made it clear He was not God the Father.

The concept of Trinity is that God exists as and is manifested equally through the three persons of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. When we interact with any of them, we interact with God. You need to understand that God is not a name but a title described by attributes. And all those attributes are present in the three.

John 1:1 is clear that the Word was in the beginning with God and the Word was God. In Genesis 1 all creation was done by God and that God is Elohim which is plural and not singular. A direct translation to English would have been Elohim = "Gods". Throughout Genesis 1 we were told Elohim (Gods) created everything and by Genesis 2:4 we get told that God in the singular created it all. The implication is that The Lord God = God = Elohim = "Gods". The plural and the singular are one. In Genesis 1:26, Elohim (Gods) said "Let us create man in our image, our likeness..". And in the following verse 27 said "man was created in His (singular) image.

Now we see clearly there are "Gods" who created the heavens and earth and created man in their images, a singular image and likeness belonging to the "Gods".
So who make up these "Gods". We know from John 1:1 that the Word (Jesus) is one of these "Gods" just as we know that God the Father from Jesus is also there. The Holy Spirit also called the Spirit of God completes the "Gods". Verses like Ephesians 4:30, John 15:26 and several others show a "person" of the Spirit of God which makes it the third in the Godhead.

In any extensive search of the entire Bible and biblical history, no other persons apart from these three could be identified to belong to the "Gods" (Elohim). So it is just the three and they are the Three (Trinity, Godhead, Elohim) that created the heavens and earth, made man in their image and likeness.

So while the Bible does not explicitly mention Trinity, the concept is there from Genesis to Revelation.

However it is understandable that people are likely to misunderstand the Trinity doctrine. In fact one of the reasons the First Council of Nicea was convened was to resolve the controversy within the church over the relationship between the persons of the Trinity.

Finally, do note that Reno is far from the Truth as a miss is as good as a mile. His views are heretical and should not be taken lightly. He is a wolf masquerading as a sheep.

https://www.str.org/w/the-doctrine-of-the-trinity-at-nicaea-and-chalcedon