What Is The Origin of The Trinity?

A young man named Leke was so indignant at me for saying that the doctrine of the Trinity is satanic, and he asked me why I don't believe in something that is in Scripture.

First and foremost, neither the word Trinity nor the doctrine is from Scripture. And sadly, many people do not even know what Scripture is.

The Bible is NOT Scripture. And when Paul wrote about Scripture in 2 Timothy 3:16, he was not referring to the New Testament. He was referring to the Torah.

It may surprise you to note that neither The Bible nor much of the New Testament was written when Paul was alive.

Other than the Gospel according to Luke, the only Gospel book whose human author we suspect we know is the Book of Mark. The present Book of Mark is not the original Book of Mark. Please research. Please don't believe me. Assume that the devil is lying to you and research it yourself.

The oldest manuscripts of the Book of Mark end in Mark 16:8. Everything after Mark 16, verse 8, is of unsure origin.

It is believed to be written by John Mark, a companion of Peter, but in truth, nobody knows for certainty who wrote it.

As for the Gospel according to John, the author is anonymous. It is believed, by faith, to be written by the apostle John. But the truth is that nobody knows who actually wrote it. I have been to the home of the apostle John, and it is doubtful if he knew or could write Greek.

I have been to the John Rylands University Library in Manchester to read the oldest surging fragment of the Gospel according to John (that is what I am doing in the attached photo), which is written in Greek.

But the reason many scholars believe John did not write the book that hears his name is because of John 21:24:

"This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. WE know that his testimony is true."

The use of the term 'we' makes it more likely that John's followers wrote the Gospel according to John.

As for the Gospel according to Matthew, it is attributed to the disciple, Matthew. But this attribution is done by faith. We simply do not know who wrote it. Especially as it was written in Greek,

The Gospel according to Luke, is based on the earlier Gospel according to Mark. Luke was not among the thence disciples and was likely a Greek speaking person based on the quality of his work.

But even then, the doctrine of the Trinity did not emanate from any Gospel or New Testament books.

Billions of Christians in the Catholic, Anglican and Evangelical churches worldwide are united by a common doctrine called The Trinity.

The Trinity has not always existed. For the first 300 years of Christianity, there was nothing like the Trinity. The word does not exist in the Holy Scriptures. It was introduced by the Holy Roman Catholic Church during the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD.

After the Council of Chalcedon decided to alter the nature of Christ and change Him from the Son of God to God the Son in AD 451, many churches broke away from Christendom and coalesced into what is now known loosely as Orthodox Churches, some of which reject the Trinitarian doctrine.

According to the official creeds of the Catholic, Anglican and the World Evangelical Alliance, the Trinity is a doctrine that projects one God in three Divine Persons, in which the three Persons are co-equal and, co-eternal and omniscient.

Now, I am not going to give my opinion about the Trinity. Instead, I will let The Bible (which is different from Scripture) speak.

Is there co-equality between God, His Son and the Holy Spirit? In John 14:28, The Son said, “My Father is greater than I.” Obviously, that verse contradicts the first leg of the Trinity. During my investigations, I confronted a member of the US Southern Baptist Convention about this, and I will quote his response verbatim. He said, “Jesus was just being modest”.

Almighty God is omniscient. He knows all things. But is His Son omniscient? In Matthew 24:36, The Son said, “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, NOR THE SON, but only the Father.”

It is clear from the above Scripture that only The Father is omniscient.

So, where does the biblical authority for the Trinity come from? It comes from 1 John 5:7 in the King James Version. That verse says:

“There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

Now, here is the problem. When you read the original Greek manuscript, that verse does not exist. This is not even an argument or controversy. It is a FACT. Both the Catholic and Anglican Church admit that those words are not to be found in the original Scriptures.

I know right now your religious spirit is telling you that Reno Omokri is deceiving you. Okay. Open any other version of The Bible other than the King James Version and read 1 John 5:7.

I will now quote it in the NIV, NLT, ESV and the Aramaic Bible in Plain English:

“There are three that testify”-NIV
“We have these three witnesses”-NLT
“There are three that testify”-ESV
“The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.”-Aramaic Bible in Plain English.

So where does the KJV get the part that justifies the Trinity? From men, not from God. Why did they do it? I do not know. But I know that most if not all, the scholars who translated the Holy Scriptures into the KJV were high level Masons. Again, please do not just take my word for it. Research it by yourself.

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Reno Omokri

Gospeller. Deep Thinker. #TableShaker. #1 Bestselling author of Facts Versus Fiction: The True Story of the Jonathan Years. Hodophile. Hollywood Magazine Humanitarian of the Year, 2019. Business Insider Influencer of the Year 2022.

Reno Reno please stay in your lane

Religion is not your area of specialization

Pastor reno

A fool doing his thing.
Pastor doubting the fundamentals of Christianity in order to please muslims and get appointment.

We will see

This man is just seeking for attention and also doing this for Twitter traffic.

But some people are yet to know his true intentions. He is now shifting from Obi matter to Christianity.

He can't use Islam because northerners are not many online to give him enough traffic and also for the fear of being attacked by muslims. Those ones are not liberal and docile like Christians that are ready to counter him back online instead of physical.

You guys should stop visiting or commenting on his Twitter posts. Allow him to lament without any response

This is such a complex issue.

The doctrine of the Trinity is embedded everywhere in the Bible. Trinity is a spiritual fact not a word. Whether the word appear in the Bible is out of point.

John 1:1–5

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.

John 10:30
“I and the Father are one.”

Matthew 28:18–20
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”


Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.

Matthew 3:16–17
And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

Deuteronomy 6:4
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.”

Hebrews 1:1–4
Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

A fool thinks he is wise just because he opens his mouth.

I think this is a research well detailed by Mr. Reno, don't be emotional about it, rather give a contradicting evidence.

YOU DON'T NEED TO REMIND US THAT BIBLE AND CHRISTIANITY IS MAN MADE.

Give this fool the Obi treatment.... Starve him off attention..

Lazy Nigeria youths will not rubbish his claims rather insulting him

Bigkoko:
Give this fool the Obi treatment.... Starve him off attention..

Well he is right in this regard

The doctrine of the trinity was introduced lots of years after the era of Christ apostles through a council.

Bendeco2020:
This man is just seeking for attention and also doing this for Twitter traffic.

But some people are yet to know his true intentions. He is now shifting from Obi matter to Christianity.

He can't use Islam because northerners are not many online to give him enough traffic and also for the fear of being attacked by muslims. Those ones are not liberal and docile like Christians that are ready to counter him back online instead of physical.

You guys should stop visiting or commenting on his Twitter posts. Allow him to lament without any response

Wisdom
Very reasonable comment

Bendeco2020:
This man is just seeking for attention and also doing this for Twitter traffic.

But some people are yet to know his true intentions. He is now shifting from Obi matter to Christianity.

He can't use Islam because northerners are not many online to give him enough traffic and also for the fear of being attacked by muslims. Those ones are not liberal and docile like Christians that are ready to counter him back online instead of physical.

You guys should stop visiting or commenting on his Twitter posts. Allow him to lament without any response

Only mad Nigerians like him follow him online.

ojobek:
Lazy Nigeria youths will not rubbish his claims rather insulting him

All his claims and researches are inconsequential and of no benefit to anyone living in Nigeria right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn9OBhbRlQc?si=idvYTCENSm7cTFDt

Every character in the Bible having letter J in their names are forgeries, they never existed e.g Jesus
The letter J was invented in the late 16th century.
The bible is a weapon of slavery and mind manipulation, invented and forced upon humanity to keep people docile, thereby easy to control.
Likewise also the Koran! 😏

I dont know why his heresies are being promoted on Nairaland, very soon he will say something against Islam and Seun will require us to swear Islamic affidavit before we can comment.
Keep this in trash section and don't send to FP

Guyman01:
I dont know why his heresies are being promoted on Nairaland, very soon he will say something against Islam and Seun will require us to swear Islamic affidavit before we can comment.
Keep this in trash section and don't send to FP

SHUT UP.

DO YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW?

INTELLIGENT PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE A CLOSED MIND.

In the begging was the word and the word was with God and word is God John 1 vs 1 and 2. That is what we called the trinity

Like or hate him, reno is a very knowledgeable and studious person. He raised very valid points which are yet to be coutered. The guys above just provided verses that support Reno's assertions.
Unfortunately, it will be very hard for modern "christians" to unlearn some of the things they were erroneously taught.

RealEzee:
Well he is right in this regard

The doctrine of the trinity was introduced lots of years after the era of Christ apostles through a council.

Reno is just an ass trying to lead the weak astray, a wolf in sheep's clothing that has been revealing his true colours for a while now.

Trying to say the Torah is scripture to the exclusion of the Bible is misleading. The Torah comprises the first 5 books of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), also called the Law (or the Pentateuch, in Christianity). The Bible incorporates the Torah in addition to other writings inspired by God. In Matthew 5:17 Jesus made reference to the Law (Torah) and the writings of the Prophets. In Luke 4:17 when Jesus walked into a synagogue, he was handed the book of Prophet Isaiah to read from. The synagogue recognized the writings of the Prophets as scripture. The prophesies about the messiah that the Jews were expecting were in the writings of the Prophets. All these are incorporated in the Bible. So for someone to now say only the Torah is scripture even in the days of Jesus, that person is just being silly.

Now on the issue of Trinity. If asked who discovered America some will say Christopher Columbus. But we know there are several human beings who have been there before him.

Though it is agreed that the Council of Nicea in 325 AD proclaimed Trinity as a Christian doctrine, the concept of Trinity is established in the Bible by more than one verse and resonates through from the Old to the New Testaments covering hundreds of years before the council. It is a fact that the Coucil did not re-write the Bible to support Trinity. They only came about it from several supporting verses in the Bible to give the concept a name. They did not create the concept, they only gave it a name. Jesus has been God to Christians well before the Council of Nicea. John 1:1 was clear about it: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Reno is trying to lead astray Christians who do not know the Bible and some of the Histories of Christianity over the years. It is pitiable he calls himself a Pastor.

Futher Reading and References:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Torah

https://www.worldviewsummit.org/post/christians-regarded-jesus-as-god-long-before-council-of-nicea

https://www.biblword.net/christians-believe-three-gods/

Truthday:
What Is The Origin of The Trinity?

A young man named Leke was so indignant at me for saying that the doctrine of the Trinity is satanic, and he asked me why I don't believe in something that is in Scripture.

First and foremost, neither the word Trinity nor the doctrine is from Scripture. And sadly, many people do not even know what Scripture is.

The Bible is NOT Scripture. And when Paul wrote about Scripture in 2 Timothy 3:16, he was not referring to the New Testament. He was referring to the Torah.

It may surprise you to note that neither The Bible nor much of the New Testament was written when Paul was alive.

Other than the Gospel according to Luke, the only Gospel book whose human author we suspect we know is the Book of Mark. The present Book of Mark is not the original Book of Mark. Please research. Please don't believe me. Assume that the devil is lying to you and research it yourself.

The oldest manuscripts of the Book of Mark end in Mark 16:8. Everything after Mark 16, verse 8, is of unsure origin.

It is believed to be written by John Mark, a companion of Peter, but in truth, nobody knows for certainty who wrote it.

As for the Gospel according to John, the author is anonymous. It is believed, by faith, to be written by the apostle John. But the truth is that nobody knows who actually wrote it. I have been to the home of the apostle John, and it is doubtful if he knew or could write Greek.

I have been to the John Rylands University Library in Manchester to read the oldest surging fragment of the Gospel according to John (that is what I am doing in the attached photo), which is written in Greek.

But the reason many scholars believe John did not write the book that hears his name is because of John 21:24:

"This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. WE know that his testimony is true."

The use of the term 'we' makes it more likely that John's followers wrote the Gospel according to John.

As for the Gospel according to Matthew, it is attributed to the disciple, Matthew. But this attribution is done by faith. We simply do not know who wrote it. Especially as it was written in Greek,

The Gospel according to Luke, is based on the earlier Gospel according to Mark. Luke was not among the thence disciples and was likely a Greek speaking person based on the quality of his work.

But even then, the doctrine of the Trinity did not emanate from any Gospel or New Testament books.

Billions of Christians in the Catholic, Anglican and Evangelical churches worldwide are united by a common doctrine called The Trinity.

The Trinity has not always existed. For the first 300 years of Christianity, there was nothing like the Trinity. The word does not exist in the Holy Scriptures. It was introduced by the Holy Roman Catholic Church during the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD.

After the Council of Chalcedon decided to alter the nature of Christ and change Him from the Son of God to God the Son in AD 451, many churches broke away from Christendom and coalesced into what is now known loosely as Orthodox Churches, some of which reject the Trinitarian doctrine.

According to the official creeds of the Catholic, Anglican and the World Evangelical Alliance, the Trinity is a doctrine that projects one God in three Divine Persons, in which the three Persons are co-equal and, co-eternal and omniscient.

Now, I am not going to give my opinion about the Trinity. Instead, I will let The Bible (which is different from Scripture) speak.

Is there co-equality between God, His Son and the Holy Spirit? In John 14:28, The Son said, “My Father is greater than I.” Obviously, that verse contradicts the first leg of the Trinity. During my investigations, I confronted a member of the US Southern Baptist Convention about this, and I will quote his response verbatim. He said, “Jesus was just being modest”.

Almighty God is omniscient. He knows all things. But is His Son omniscient? In Matthew 24:36, The Son said, “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, NOR THE SON, but only the Father.”

It is clear from the above Scripture that only The Father is omniscient.

So, where does the biblical authority for the Trinity come from? It comes from 1 John 5:7 in the King James Version. That verse says:

“There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

Now, here is the problem. When you read the original Greek manuscript, that verse does not exist. This is not even an argument or controversy. It is a FACT. Both the Catholic and Anglican Church admit that those words are not to be found in the original Scriptures.

I know right now your religious spirit is telling you that Reno Omokri is deceiving you. Okay. Open any other version of The Bible other than the King James Version and read 1 John 5:7.

I will now quote it in the NIV, NLT, ESV and the Aramaic Bible in Plain English:

“There are three that testify”-NIV
“We have these three witnesses”-NLT
“There are three that testify”-ESV
“The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.”-Aramaic Bible in Plain English.

So where does the KJV get the part that justifies the Trinity? From men, not from God. Why did they do it? I do not know. But I know that most if not all, the scholars who translated the Holy Scriptures into the KJV were high level Masons. Again, please do not just take my word for it. Research it by yourself.

#TableShaker

Reno Omokri

Gospeller. Deep Thinker. #TableShaker. #1 Bestselling author of Facts Versus Fiction: The True Story of the Jonathan Years. Hodophile. Hollywood Magazine Humanitarian of the Year, 2019. Business Insider Influencer of the Year 2022.

stop posting about this low IQ boy. Everywhere belle face boy. Hungry boy that can sell his father to get bread.

We don tire to dey see all these unreasonable post. So what should we do with them now ? His opinions are always irritating even to the APC goons. He has attacked every known person he is now praising... How can you trust that type of a boy ? A complete charlatan.


Respect yourself. Cause am suspecting you're d Reno.

Jobless boy.

Is this man a pastor in a Christian Church or a pastor in a Jewish gathering or a pastor in a Muslim mosque?

Are you telling us you're the best researcher, we know all those things but yet our faith is stronge in God, TRINITY is not the problem of christianity but bad teachers.

Obidients have cursed this one with the spirit of error

Truthday:
I think this is a research well detailed by Mr. Reno, don't be emotional about it, rather give a contradicting evidence.

John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.

John 10:30
“I and the Father are one.”

Matthew 28:18–20
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

ojobek:
Lazy Nigeria youths will not rubbish his claims rather insulting him

John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.

John 10:30
“I and the Father are one.”

Matthew 28:18–20
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Truthday:
What Is The Origin of The Trinity?

A young man named Leke was so indignant at me for saying that the doctrine of the Trinity is satanic, and he asked me why I don't believe in something that is in Scripture....

Omokiri has given you your food? When has Omokiri becomes the authority in christiandom that you will take serious? He loves story and comical books than Gospel. The last question he asked sometimes ago that Mr Korede Olawoyin silent him with lots of proves. Up till today, he never replied him. You have lots of things to worry about in your Quran than bothering yourself with Bible as usual.

In surah Al-Ahzab 33:45, since Allah is known to be one god, who was it referring to here as "We" ? Is that not another sign of deception in quran since Muslim doesn't believe in Trinity?

Mohammed (at 53yrs old) that married 6years old and slept with her at 9yts is there in Quran/Hadith/tefsir beckoning on you to answer instead of allowing someone like ustaz jaqman to try to cover up for Mohammed what is not coverable by saying Aisha was matured before being married by Mohammed even without concrete evidences. How can Aisha be playing with baby toys in the house of mohammed after Mohammed married her if truely she had been matured then?

In quran, Allah created heaven and Earth in seven days, but when you calculate the days it mentioned together, it was actually 8days. These are the ones you should go and provide solution to instead of taking Omokiri that loves talking or being loudsy than preaching

Reno don't divert our attention, please talk about CSU certificate saga

Una see that guy Reno, I beg ignore am!
Na Freemason ein be.

The bible is clear that God the Father, God the Son
& God the Holy Spirit are One

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father,
the Word,
and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The bible is clear again that God The Father spoke to God The Son.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, , is for ever and ever:
a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Again when God was making man, He said Let US.
US means more than one.

Gen 1:26 KJV
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

And as we know only God creates, and the bible clear states Jesus created.

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

So anybody denying Jesus is God is simply antichrist!

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Reno has lost the plot.

He has gone into Bondage he is a Freemason
He has gone back to worship the gods of Egypt that God defeated.

Exodus 12:12
For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord.