Maynman:

Everything comes from Iya nla aka oduduwa.
Everything is symbolic, olorun literally means heaven, visible sky, oduduwa is earth, when they both had sex(raining), olorun impregnates her with creation.

pls go and study Yoruba pantheon.
what u saying here is rubbish, better still just keep shut.

SIRTee15:


pls go and study Yoruba pantheon.
what u saying here is rubbish, better still just keep shut.

Where should I study it?
From ODU-ifa or where?

You are the filled of jargons, empty barrel!

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God is life. no one gave him life.
asking who gave God life indirectly mean there was a TIME he had no life and that negates the concept of eternal. DO U GET IT NOW.
God created all existence in physical reality including those with life.

SIRTee15:

God is life. no one gave him life.
asking who gave God life indirectly mean there was a TIME he had no life and that negates the concept of eternal. DO U GET IT NOW.
God created all existence in physical reality including those with life.

Who created life, who created existence?
If it's eternal, then what did your god create? Did he create existence and non existence?

Maynman:

Where should I study it?
From ODU-ifa or where?

You are the filled of jargons, empty barrel!

I thought u interested in divinity worship. so what stops u from studying the divinity of your own people. all information is on google.
Or u just obsessed with that of the jews? I will say that's inferiority complex.
LEARN ABOUT YOUR PEOPLE. THEY ALSO HAD A WELL DEVELOPED AND SOPHISTICATED BELIEF SYSTEM. DONT BE ASHAMED OF WHO YOU ARE.
atheism is not an excuse to deny your heritage.

Maynman:

Who created life, who created existence?
If it's eternal, then what did your god create? Did he create existence and non existence?

what does non existence mean?
how can u create non existence?

SIRTee15:

I thought u interested in divinity worship. so what stops u from studying the divinity of your own people. all information is on google.
Or u just obsessed with that of the jews? I will say that's inferiority complex.
LEARN ABOUT YOUR PEOPLE. THEY ALSO HAD A WELL DEVELOPED AND SOPHISTICATED BELIEF SYSTEM. DONT BE ASHAMED OF WHO YOU ARE.
atheism is not an excuse to deny your heritage.

see this hypocrite, why don't you listen to your advise and learn about your own people, maybe if you did you won't believe a Jewish man died for your sin, which of your people believed that?

This empty barrel has NEVER read anything on Yoruba mythology.
Go and look up "Iya nla". Jewish slave.

SIRTee15:


what does non existence mean?
how can u create non existence?

What does "create" mean to you.

Is this person creating non Existence, existing?

LordReed:


They are myths.

Humans came from the evolution of hominids. I don't know where life came from. I would speculate that it was some kind of progressive accumulation of complexity in carbon and nitrogen based molecules but that's my speculation not any kind of certainty. It could have been from something else I don't know.

since u dont know, then I will leave your origin of creation aside. No need debating guess work.

Now lets go back to your claim that my creation believe is hinged on Jewish history and not on other cultures.

let me ask u a question, Why did Samuel Ajayi Crowther adopted traditional Yoruba deity names, such as "Olodumare/Olorun" for "God" when translating the Bible into Yoruba.
Yorubas were already worshipping Eledumare/Olorun b4 Crowther brought forth the Yoruba bible. Why use such names.
same for chukwu in ibo. Why were those names retained in native bible.

Why didnt the writers of native bible who are theology scholars use a different name for the jewish God since according to u they are not the same deity.

SIRTee15:



let me ask u a question, Why did Samuel Ajayi Crowther adopted traditional Yoruba names, such as "Olodumare/Olorun" for "God" when translating the Bible into Yoruba.
same for chukwu in ibo. Why were those names retained in native bible.

Why didnt the writers of native bible who are theology scholars use a different name for the jewish God since according to u they are not the same deity.

Which Yoruba mythology have you read?

Maynman:


Which Yoruba mythology have you read?

I'm talking about God, stick to God. That's the debate here.

SIRTee15:


since u dont know, then I will leave your origin of creation aside. No need debating guess work.

Now lets go back to your claim that my creation believe is hinged on Jewish history and not on other cultures.

let me ask u a question, Why did Samuel Ajayi Crowther adopted traditional Yoruba deity names, such as "Olodumare/Olorun" for "God" when translating the Bible into Yoruba.
Yorubas were already worshipping Eledumare/Olorun b4 Crowther brought forth the Yoruba bible. Why use such names.
same for chukwu in ibo. Why were those names retained in native bible.

Why didnt the writers of native bible who are theology scholars use a different name for the jewish God since according to u they are not the same deity.

They are all myths so interchanging one name for another makes no difference.

SIRTee15:


I'm talking about God, stick to God. That's the debate here.

Olorun means lord of heavens, is that what your god means?

Maynman:
see this hypocrite, why don't you listen to your advise and learn about your own people, maybe if you did you won't believe a Jewish man died for your sin, which of your people believed that?

This empty barrel has NEVER read anything on Yoruba mythology.
Go and look up "Iya nla". Jewish slave.

I will bury u in Yoruba belief system.
U think I'm like u.
Bible u dont know, atheism sef asking stupid questions up and down.
Asking who create non existence. Your meta physics knowledge is wack.
Tell me who created nothing?

Yoruba heritage knowledge is zero. Saying olorun had sex with oduduwa. Very dirty mind.

SIRTee15:


I will bury u in Yoruba belief system.

So let us go, tell us where and what you have read about Yoruba mythology.

You are the one with the dirty mind that has been conditioned inside you, sex is life, what can reproduce without it?
Even trees have sex.

You are a empty barrel, tell me the Yoruba mythology where olorun is Yahweh.

LordReed:


They are all myths so interchanging one name for another makes no difference.

Really...lolz
now it makes no difference when u realised the Supreme God is the same everywhere.
Earlier u insisted Jewish God deity is different from that of other cultures and I'm following the former.

As u guys can see this is the big problem with atheist argument. It's filled with inconsistency. They work from answer to question, from conclusion to inference. If they get stuck along the way, the simply twist the inference to arrive at the same conclusion. Thereby making inconsistent claim along the way.

Right from onset of this debate, I've made it clear that the theological interpretation of the old testament is different from it's history.
I'm not accountable to the history because I'm not a Jew, but accountable to the God in the old testament because he's a UNIVERSAL GOD not just the God of the Jews. He's God of the yorubas as well as any African culture.
LordReed disagreed and insisted the myth and God are the same and are of Jewish origin.

Now that's he's been slapped with hard facts, he is now twisting his mouth and saying it doesn't matter if the God worshipped everywhere is the same.

Again for benefit of doubt I wil ask LordReed, is the God of the Jews different from the supreme universal God in all other cultures?

LordReed:


They are all myths so interchanging one name for another makes no difference.

To help u answer your question here's how Yoruba described Olorun/Eledumare.

Jewish Slave loves his chains ⛓️

Maynman:
Otondo atheist.

Help your confused atheist, seems he's gassed out again.

Is the God of the Jews also the supreme God in other cultures.

SIRTee15:

Help your confused atheist, seems he's gassed out again.

Is the God of the Jews also the supreme God in other cultures.

Lordreed is coming to answer you.

Is the God of the Moabs also the supreme God in other cultures.
Don't forget chemosh defeated your god Yahweh as recorded in mesha Stele.

SIRTee15:


Really...lolz
now it makes no difference when u realised the Supreme God is the same everywhere.
Earlier u insisted Jewish God deity is different from that of other cultures and I'm following the former.

As u guys can see this is the big problem with atheist argument. It's filled with inconsistency. They work from answer to question, from conclusion to inference. If they get stuck along the way, the simply twist the inference to arrive at the same conclusion. Thereby making inconsistent claim along the way.

Right from onset of this debate, I've made it clear that the theological interpretation of the old testament is different from it's history.
I'm not accountable to the history because I'm not a Jew, but accountable to the God in the old testament because he's a UNIVERSAL GOD not just the God of the Jews. He's God of the yorubas as well as any African culture.
LordReed disagreed and insisted the myth and God are the same and are of Jewish origin.

Now that's he's been slapped with hard facts, he is now twisting his mouth and saying it doesn't matter if the God worshipped everywhere is the same.

Again for benefit of doubt I wil ask LordReed, is the God of the Jews different from the supreme God in all other cultures?

I am concerned about the bolded...

I have always maintained that they are the same....


What do you think ?

sonmvayina:


I am concerned about the bolded...

I have always maintained that they are the same....


What do you think ?

You mean, Nebro? 😂

Maynman:

You mean, Nebro? 😂

All the creator God in all the mythological stories of creation round the world are the same....the stories are all different but the central idea are consistent...always about the heavens and the earth like the Yoruba one you posted...in Igbo it is Enu and Ala(Ani)

sonmvayina:


All the creator God in all the mythological stories of creation round the world are the same....the stories are all different but the central idea are consistent...always about the heavens and the earth like the Yoruba one you posted...in Igbo it is Enu and Ala(Ani)

They are not gods, they are symbolic, heaven means visible sky and earth means matter.

Maynman:

They are not gods, they are symbolic, heaven means visible sky and earth means matter.

This guy ...

Hmmm your problem big oh..

I think you should also see a psychiatrist ASAP...

Let them send me the bills...

sonmvayina:


This guy ...

Hmmm your problem big oh..

I think you should also see a psychiatrist ASAP...

Let them send me the bills...

It's you that should see a psychiatrist, you are hallucinating on imaginary things you call god.

Better look up, Nibiru god, insane Mardukite.

While you are here, SIRTee15, look up "Nebro", your Jewish creator of heaven and earth.

Maynman:

Lordreed is coming to answer you.

Is the God of the Moabs also the supreme God in other cultures.
Don't forget chemosh defeated your god Yahweh as recorded in mesha Stele.

LordReed that's yet to respond to my rebuttal last night.
Once he meets superior arguments he gas out. He appears to be intelligent but he's not. He's just another wannabe.
The problem with nairaland atheist is that they think because they are educated and read some books, then they are intelligent.
Well the report card is coming out and doesn't look so good.

As for chemosh, did he ever say he was a universal supreme deity. Was he ever worshipped in such manner anywhere including in Moabites.
God called himself a universal God. He rejected being a regional God. That was why he sent Jonah to nenevih.

Maynman:

It's you that should see a psychiatrist, you are hallucinating on imaginary things you call god.

Better look up, Nibiru god, insane Mardukite.

All you do is screen short and paste...you don't even read to understand. That's why you end up arguing blindly....

All barks, no bite...no substance..

SIRTee15:


LordReed that's yet to respond to my rebuttal last night.
Once he meets superior arguments he gas out. He appears to be intelligent but he's not. He's just another wannabe.
The problem with nairaland atheist is that they think because they are educated and read some books, then they are intelligent.
Well the report card is coming out and doesn't look so good.

As for chemosh, did he ever say he was a universal supreme deity. Was he ever worshipped in such manner anywhere including in Moabites.
God called himself a universal God. He rejected being a regional God. That was why he sent Jonah to nenevih.

He is coming to answer you, calm your balls.

Of course, in the Moabites Scriptures, the Moabs are the chosen one and he created everything.
Just like the Greeks have their creator gods and they are the chosen ones, latins have theirs, Celtics have theirs, Yorubas have theirs and also the Jewish people also have it.
In the Jewish book, the god will be showed to be powerful and conquering other gods.

When Nebuchadnezzar II conquered he thank his god, Marduk, Cyrus the great also thanked his god, Ahuda.

sonmvayina:


All you do is screen short and paste...you don't even read to understand. That's why you end up arguing blindly....

All barks, no bite...no substance..

And all you do is assume jargons and nonsense with no iota of backing to it.
That's why you always remain a slave to gods, now you are worshipping Marduk, don't worry you'll soon find another Greater god.

All noise, barrel thing!

SIRTee15:


LordReed that's yet to respond to my rebuttal last night.
Once he meets superior arguments he gas out. He appears to be intelligent but he's not. He's just another wannabe.
The problem with nairaland atheist is that they think because they are educated and read some books, then they are intelligent.
Well the report card is coming out and doesn't look so good.

As for chemosh, did he ever say he was a universal supreme deity. Was he ever worshipped in such manner anywhere including in Moabites.
God called himself a universal God. He rejected being a regional God. That was why he sent Jonah to nenevih.

I thought by now you should have understood that those stores never happened?

And that it is about the message they teach...that it is about the God within...