sonmvayina:
Jewish concept..

Ignorant interpretation with no iota of evidence.
Sheol simply means grave.
Heaven means sky
Earth is not planet earth.

Stop lying, Which Jewish concepts says this?

Lord of Hosts, Saboath.

SIRTee15:


LordReed that's yet to respond to my rebuttal last night.
Once he meets superior arguments he gas out. He appears to be intelligent but he's not. He's just another wannabe.
The problem with nairaland atheist is that they think because they are educated and read some books, then they are intelligent.
Well the report card is coming out and doesn't look so good.

As for chemosh, did he ever say he was a universal supreme deity. Was he ever worshipped in such manner anywhere including in Moabites.
God called himself a universal God. He rejected being a regional God. That was why he sent Jonah to nenevih.

LoLz. You are so full of yourself it's leaking out your ears. When will you learn I don't live on Nairaland.

Maynman:

Ignorant slave knows nothing, empty and empty, what a life

In genesis 1:1, what does the "heavens" mean?

Just admit you are a mo..ron

And I will gladly teach you...

SIRTee15:


To help u answer your question here's how Yoruba described Olorun/Eledumare.

So?

sonmvayina:



Just admit you are a mo..ron

And I will gladly teach you...

Just admit you are a ignorant slave in need of a god.

I'll tutor your creator.

Empty barrel thinks they were talking about pillars, you need a mental check.

Earth is flat according to which Jewish concepts?
You can't quote any because you don't know any, you are just guessing in your sitting room, look at yourself, you are a failure.

SIRTee15:


Really...lolz
now it makes no difference when u realised the Supreme God is the same everywhere.
Earlier u insisted Jewish God deity is different from that of other cultures and I'm following the former.

As u guys can see this is the big problem with atheist argument. It's filled with inconsistency. They work from answer to question, from conclusion to inference. If they get stuck along the way, the simply twist the inference to arrive at the same conclusion. Thereby making inconsistent claim along the way.

Right from onset of this debate, I've made it clear that the theological interpretation of the old testament is different from it's history.
I'm not accountable to the history because I'm not a Jew, but accountable to the God in the old testament because he's a UNIVERSAL GOD not just the God of the Jews. He's God of the yorubas as well as any African culture.
LordReed disagreed and insisted the myth and God are the same and are of Jewish origin.

Now that's he's been slapped with hard facts, he is now twisting his mouth and saying it doesn't matter if the God worshipped everywhere is the same.

Again for benefit of doubt I wil ask LordReed, is the God of the Jews different from the supreme universal God in all other cultures?

This is a silly argument. There is a god of thunder in Yoruba mythology and there is a god of thunder in Norse mythology therefore the god of thunder is real. It is just patently silly since that is not how any of it works, having in similarities in mythology is no proof of the reality of those myths.

And trust you to miss the point of my statement. It doesn't matter what the myths are called, they are simply replacing one myth with another they have not shown that any of it is real.

Who cares what theological interpretation you give your favourite Jewish myth, theological interpretations are a dime a dozen. The fact is, your theological interpretation is based on the Jewish myth.

Dude I did not agree that your Jewish god myth and other culture god myths are the same. I said they are all myths, don't put words in my mouth. Twisting what mouth abi it is you trying too hard to twist my words and failing woefully.

Of course the god of the Jews is different, they are different myths!

sonmvayina:

Group of idolators calling them selves Jehovah's witnesses...
God loves those who keep his commandments...I am proudly one of them..

So what has the so called LAWS achieved in the midst of those keeping it?

Ọ̀DẸ̀!

If you don't know the purpose of LAW then it means you're still a kid.

The purpose of LAWS is to make peace reign among those keeping it but when you can't present those keeping the laws of your god so that we can all see it's effectiveness then you and your god are deluded fools!

MaxInDHouse:

If you don't know the purpose of LAW then it means you're still a kid.

The purpose of LAWS is to make peace reign among those keeping it but when you can't present those keeping the laws of your god so that we can all see it's effectiveness then you and your god are deluded fools!

Without laws y'all can't be peaceful?

Maynman:

He is coming to answer you, calm your balls.

LoLz. Always having his tips in a squeeze because I don't respond immediately as if he is paying me to do it.

Maynman:

Without laws y'all can't be peaceful?

LAWS set boundaries among intelligent beings so that we can cohabit peacefully.

It's like the traffic laws, everyone is free to drive his car on the road but without traffic laws try to imagine what will happen on the road if people are allowed to drive without the traffic laws.

That's exactly what happens when there's no laws on right and wrong!

MaxInDHouse:


LAWS set boundaries among intelligent beings so that we can cohabit peacefully.

It's like the traffic laws, everyone is free to drive his car on the road but without traffic laws try to imagine what will happen on the road if people are allowed to drive without the traffic laws.

That's exactly what happens when there's no laws on right and wrong!

If everyone is intelligent and peaceful they don't need traffic laws.

MaxInDHouse:


So what has the so called LAWS achieved in the é of those keeping it?

Ọ̀DẸ̀!

If you don't know the purpose of LAW then it means you're still a kid.

The purpose of LAWS is to make peace reign among those keeping it but when you can't present those keeping the laws of your god so that we can all see it's effectiveness then you and your god are deluded fools!

's blessing from the creator like he promised ineuteronomy 28....

LordReed:


This is a silly argument. There is a god of thunder in Yoruba mythology and there is a god of thunder in Norse mythology therefore the god of thunder is real. It is just patently silly since that is not how any of it works, having in similarities in mythology is no proof of the reality of those myths.

And trust you to miss the point of my statement. It doesn't matter what the myths are called, they are simply replacing one myth with another they have not shown that any of it is real.

Who cares what theological interpretation you give your favourite Jewish myth, theological interpretations are a dime a dozen. The fact is, your theological interpretation is based on the Jewish myth.

Dude I did not agree that your Jewish god myth and other culture god myths are the same. I said they are all myths, don't put words in my mouth. Twisting what mouth abi it is you trying too hard to twist my words and failing woefully.

Of course the god of the Jews is different, they are different myths!

Which is which my friend, be consistent.
Why didn't ajayi crowther give a different name to the God of the Jews when writing the yoruba bible.

Maynman:

Check mesha Stele, He conquered your god, Yahweh.

Mesha stele didn't say chemosh is a universal god.
Show me where chemosh is worshipped as a universal God otherwise keep quite.

SIRTee15:


Which is which my friend, be consistent.
Why didn't ajayi crowther give a different name to the God of the Jews when writing the yoruba bible.

Wasn't your god translated as deus in Latin?
Allah in Arabic?

SIRTee15:


Mesha stele didn't say chemosh is a universal god.
Show me where chemosh is worshipped as a universal God otherwise keep quite.

Apart from the Jewish people who else was worshipping the isrealite god in old testament?

Chemosh conquered your isrealite god in mesha Stele.

MaxInDHouse:


LAWS set boundaries among intelligent beings so that we can cohabit peacefully.

It's like the traffic laws, everyone is free to drive his car on the road but without traffic laws try to imagine what will happen on the road if people are allowed to drive without the traffic laws.

That's exactly what happens when there's no laws on right and wrong!

But you yourself you choose to park your car on the road to kneel in front of a statue to ask it for direction...instead of keeping the road traffic laws and asking people like me who know the way and can direct you accordingly. ..

Maynman:

Apart from the Jewish people who else was worshipping the isrealites in old testament?

People of nenevih
People of land of uz- job and his friends
Moabites- Ruth
Hittites
Cannanites
Arameans- Naman
Samaritans
Balaam the priest from mesopotamian region.

SIRTee15:


People of nenevih
People of land of uz- job and his friends
Moabites- Ruth
Hittites
Cannanites
Arameans- Naman
Samaritans
Balaam the priest from mesopotamian region.

Mention the verses.
https://www.thetorah.com/article/who-was-balaams-god-yhwh-el-or-bull-el

SIRTee15:


People of nenevih
People of land of uz- job and his friends
Moabites- Ruth
Hittites
Cannanites
Arameans- Naman
Samaritans
Balaam the priest from mesopotamian region.

I wonder where the region of ALL this people, why is yahweh fighting with other local gods?

What about the Celtics, the Greeks? The Romans? Ethiopians?

SIRTee15:


Which is which my friend, be consistent.
Why didn't ajayi crowther give a different name to the God of the Jews when writing the yoruba bible.

What part of this

LordReed:

And trust you to miss the point of my statement. It doesn't matter what the myths are called, they are simply replacing one myth with another they have not shown that any of it is real.

was hard for you to comprehend?

Maynman:

I wonder where the region of ALL this people, why is yahweh fighting with other local gods?

What about the Celtics, the Greeks? The Romans? Ethiopians?

Have u checked the new testament for other wider regions.

The history of the Jews will only write about people they have contact with, isn't it.

Maynman:

Mention the verses.
https://www.thetorah.com/article/who-was-balaams-god-yhwh-el-or-bull-el

Do u own home work. Some of us have real lives we attend to

Maynman:

Apart from the Jewish people who else was worshipping the isrealite god in old testament?

Chemosh conquered your isrealite god in mesha Stele.

The bible records moabites obtaining independence over Israel. So what are u bleating about?
There's nothing on the moabite stone not recorded in 2 kings 3.
As per LordReed, the mesha stone dated 870BC is another historical evidence of the old testament...what u call myths and legends. Prior to its discovery king omri was a myth.
U may also want to study Tel Dal Steele, another ancient inscription from the Canaanites.

LordReed:


What part of this was hard for you to comprehend?

Secondary thinking I'm attempt to cover your earlier gaff.
Compare below with above and summarise for me.

LordReed:


LoLz. Always having his tips in a squeeze because I don't respond immediately as if he is paying me to do it.

Indeed! More than 24 hrs and multiple presence here yet no response to my last night rebuttal.
Anyway, not necessary to respond. B4 u make further gaffes and complicate everything.

I just hope u won't brandish gospel of Peter as written by st peter anymore.
and
U now know the early church fathers who confirmed the authorship of the 4 gospels.

We learn everyday, unfortunately I learnt nothing from u.
Bye.

Maynman:

If everyone is intelligent and peaceful they don't need traffic laws.

Even all the people you've been quoting both living and dead will agree with you on this!

sonmvayina:

But you yourself you choose to park your car on the road to kneel in front of a statue to ask it for direction...instead of keeping the road traffic laws and asking people like me who know the way and can direct you accordingly. ..

You still don't get it do you?

You're claiming you know a traffic law that all should apply and i'm asking you to PRESENT a city where it's been put to use so that we can all see how effective your traffic laws but instead you're telling me it's what you've always applied.
The worshipers of your god will represent the city where the laws of your god is put to use not the laws itself.
Telling everyone that you know a traffic law that's best makes no practical sense if you can't present a city where it's been put to use.

SIRTee15:


Do u own home work. Some of us have real lives we attend to

Just say you are empty like your God, Yahweh.

Mention the verses where other NATIONS worshipped yahweh as their NATIONAL god apart from IsraEL.
Or better still archeological evidence where the worship of Yahweh was Universal, or that is only found in the Jewish book talking about their local god and how he helped them defeat other middle east local gods?

https://www.thetorah.com/article/who-was-balaams-god-yhwh-el-or-bull-el

If not for inferior complex worrying you, even the Jews won't accept olorun/eledumare as their national god, and here you are worshipping their own god.

SIRTee15:


Secondary thinking I'm attempt to cover your earlier gaff.
Compare below with above and summarise for me.

LoLz! What gaffe?

What is a red herring?

SIRTee15:


The bible records moabites obtaining independence over Israel. So what are u bleating about?
There's nothing on the moabite stone not recorded in 2 kings 3.
As per LordReed, the mesha stone dated 870BC is another historical evidence of the old testament...what u call myths and legends. Prior to its discovery king omri was a myth.
U may also want to study Tel Dal Steele, another ancient inscription from the Canaanites.

Shameless liar, mention the verses where mobiates their arch enemy was taking independence from them.

The Israelites worshipped chemosh, so what are you barking about?

Chemosh defeated your creator, Yahweh and destroyed his shrine, where is that mention in the Jewish book?
Just like Yahweh, chemosh too was given burnt offering and he accepted both man and animals.

Isrealites themselves are cannities, worshipping the head of the Cannanites god before they were taken as slave to Babylon and influence of zoostranism.

You may also want to study the kurtillet Arjud, where your creator has a wife and is lesser to his father, El.

SIRTee15:


Indeed! More than 24 hrs and multiple presence here yet no response to my last night rebuttal.
Anyway, not necessary to respond. B4 u make further gaffes and complicate everything.

I just hope u won't brandish gospel of Peter as written by st peter anymore.
and
U now know the early church fathers who confirmed the authorship of the 4 gospels.

We learn everyday, unfortunately I learnt nothing from u.
Bye.

Oga when you start paying me you can demand I respond in less than 1 sec. LoLz.

Show where I said Gospel of Peter was written by Peter.

I don't know that church fathers confirmed the authorship of the 4 gospels. That is still up for debate.

When I am ready to teach you, you will learn.