The Qur'an and the Bible presented the same event as we shall see in Quran 38:20-26 and in the Bible, 2Sam 11:1-27 and 2Sam 12:1-25

Except there is a self contradiction in the Qur'an, Allah says that the Qur'an was given in great Details

Qur'an 6:144
[Say (O Muhammad SAW)] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Quran), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt


If the above is true, then we expect the Qur'an to be exceptionally clear and simple to understand.

Qur'an Summary : Qur'an 38:20-26
1. Allah strengthened the kingdom of Prophet David (Dawood), endowing him with wisdom and eloquent speech.
2. The incident begins when two adversaries approach Prophet David by climbing over the wall of his prayer chamber.
3. The two individuals explain their situation to David, stating that they are in a dispute, and they seek his judgment. They describe themselves as two adversaries, with one claiming to have been wronged by the other.
4.The complainant presents his case, stating that he has ninety-nine ewes, while the other party has only one. He alleges that the other person unjustly demanded his single ewe, overpowering him in speech.
5. Prophet David, after listening to their case, realizes that the person with ninety-nine ewes has wronged the one with only one ewe. David acknowledges that many associates (people) often oppress one another, except for those who believe and do righteous deeds.
6. David becomes certain that this situation is a trial from Allah. In response, he seeks forgiveness from his Lord, falls down in prostration, and turns in repentance.

As this story doesn't make sense, we need to ask a few questions for clarification and clarity.

Questions:
Allah presents the story as actual occurences of two adversaries one rich and the other poor with the rich person taking the only lamb of the poor man.
1. If David miraculously and with wisdom judged that the rich person wronged the poor person by taking his only sheep:
Since David was not at fault here, Why did David seek for forgiveness from Allah?
2. What sin did David commit?
3. Compared with the Bible, would you say that the narrator of the Qur'an did a good job of narrating the events surrounding the story?
How is this situation a trial from Allah?
5. Do you think that it is remotely possible that God will have a comprehension problem of historical events?




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The Qur'an Narrative :


Qur'an 38:20-27
38:20 And We strengthened his (David's) dominion, and bestowed upon him wisdom and sagacity in judgment
38:21 AND YET, has the story of the litigants come within thy ken - [the story of the two] who surmounted the walls of the sanctuary [in which David prayed]
38:22 As they came upon David, and he shrank back in fear from them, they said: “Fear not! [We are but] two litigants. One of us has wronged the other: so judge thou between us with justice, and deviate not from what is right, and show [both of] us the way to rectitude
38:23 “Behold, this is my brother: he has ninety-nine ewes, whereas I have [only] one ewe - and yet he said, ‘Make her over to me,’ and forcibly prevailed against me in this [our] dispute.”
38:24 Said [David]: “He has certainly wronged thee by demanding that thy ewe be added to his ewes! Thus, behold, do many kinsmen wrong one another [all] save those who believe [in God] and do righteous deeds: but how few are they!” And [suddenly] David understood that We had tried him: and so he asked his Sustainer to forgive him his sin, and fell down in prostration, and turned unto Him in repentance
38:25 And thereupon We forgave him that [sin]: and, verily, nearness to Us awaits him [in the life to come], and the most beauteous of all goals
38:26 [And We said:] “O David! Behold, We have made thee a [prophet and, thus, Our] vicegerent on earth: judge, then, between men with justice, and do not follow vain desire, lest it lead thee astray from the path of God: verily, for those who go astray from the path of God there is suffering severe in store for having forgotten the Day of Reckoning!”





For comparison and context purposes, I have also related the summary of the Bible version of the same story
The Bible gives the story of David's sin of Adultery and Murder in relation to Batsheba the wife of one of his soldiers Uriah.
The story of the Judgement of David by God and his repentance was detailed in 2 Sam 11:1-27 and 2 Sam 12:1-25


Bible Summary :2Sam 11:1-27 and 2Sam 12:1-25
1. David did not follow his army to fight with the army of the city of Rabbah but stayed at home.
2. On one of the nights at the upper deck of his palace, he saw the beautiful young wife (Batsheba) of Uriah (one of his foot soldiers) taking her bath
3. David sent for her and had sex with her.
4. A few weeks down the line, Batsheba sent to David that she was pregnant.
5. To cover his sin of Adultery, David summoned Uriah to take a leave from the battlefront in order that he might sleep with his wife.
6. Even though, David got Uriah to drink much wine, Uriah would not go home to sleep with his wife.
7. After days of trying, David saw that Uriah wouldnt go home and sleep with his wife, therefore David wrote a letter to the head of the army Joab to arrange for the death of Uriah. The Sealed letter of his death was to be delivered personally to Joab by Uriah.
8. Joab received the letter and Uriah was killed as arranged. David, relieved took the wife of Uriah Batsheba and married her. David thought that his sins was covered.
Enter Prophet Nathan
1. God sent Prophet Nathan to David to tell him that his sin of Adultery and Murder did not get unnoticed by God.
2. Nathan therefore gave a parable to David as if he was reporting a case of injustice in Israel.
a. There was a rich man who had many animals and a poor man who had just one lamb.
b. The rich man received a visitor and instead of killing one of his may animals, he decided to take the only lamb of this poor man.
c. David boiled in anger at this rich man and pronounced a death sentence on him.
d. Prophet Nathan said to David: You are the rich man and the poor man is Uriah.
e. David realized that he has committed a great sin worthy of death.
F. With tears he repented as Nathan continued to present the Judgement of Jehovah God upon him.




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TenQ:
The Qur'an and the Bible presented the same event as we shall see in Quran 38:20-26 and in the Bible, 2Sam 11:1-27 and 2Sam 12:1-25

Except there is a self contradiction in the Qur'an, Allah says that the Qur'an was given in great Details

Qur'an 6:144
[Say (O Muhammad SAW)] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Quran), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt


If the above is true, then we expect the Qur'an to be exceptionally clear and simple to understand.

Qur'an Summary : Qur'an 38:20-26
1. Allah strengthened the kingdom of Prophet David (Dawood), endowing him with wisdom and eloquent speech.
2. The incident begins when two adversaries approach Prophet David by climbing over the wall of his prayer chamber.
3. The two individuals explain their situation to David, stating that they are in a dispute, and they seek his judgment. They describe themselves as two adversaries, with one claiming to have been wronged by the other.
4.The complainant presents his case, stating that he has ninety-nine ewes, while the other party has only one. He alleges that the other person unjustly demanded his single ewe, overpowering him in speech.
5. Prophet David, after listening to their case, realizes that the person with ninety-nine ewes has wronged the one with only one ewe. David acknowledges that many associates (people) often oppress one another, except for those who believe and do righteous deeds.
6. David becomes certain that this situation is a trial from Allah. In response, he seeks forgiveness from his Lord, falls down in prostration, and turns in repentance.

As this story doesn't make sense, we need to ask a few questions for clarification and clarity.

Questions:
Allah presents the story as actual occurences of two adversaries one rich and the other poor with the rich person taking the only lamb of the poor man.
1. If David miraculously and with wisdom judged that the rich person wronged the poor person by taking his only sheep:
Since David was not at fault here, Why did David seek for forgiveness from Allah?

When Dawood realized that he had been too quick to judge, without listening to what the second disputant had to say, he hastened to repent: and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allaah) in repentance. [Saad 38:24 interpretation of the meaning].

2. What sin did David commit?

Sin stated above!

3. Compared with the Bible, would you say that the narrator of the Qur'an did a good job of narrating the events surrounding the story?
How is this situation a trial from Allah?

The story from the Qur'an is unrelated to that of the Bible. Prophet Dawuud didn't commit covetousness, murder and adultery in Islam. He is simply a judge and Allah tests him with that judgement between the two litigants!

5. Do you think that it is remotely possible that God will have a comprehension problem of historical events?

The comprehension problem is from you who is trying so hard on a faultfinding trip into the Qur'an!

In the next page is the summary of the Bible Narrative and the Qur'an text


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Prophets in Islam are guided from major sins and will never commit such major sins as described in the Bible!

Noah was drinking heavily till he became naked!
Lot slept with his two daughters after they got him drunk!
David covet Bethsheba so he sent Uriah to be killed and then married her!

And these are the ancestors of Jesus your God who didn't inherit the sins we inherit!

Abeg stop my mentions in your folly!

AbuTwins:


When Dawood realized that he had been too quick to judge, without listening to what the second disputant had to say, he hastened to repent: and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allaah) in repentance. [Saad 38:24 interpretation of the meaning].

Sin stated above!


The story from the Qur'an is unrelated to that of the Bible. Prophet Dawuud didn't commit covetousness, murder and adultery in Islam. He is simply a judge and Allah tests him with that judgement between the two litigants!
The comprehension problem is from you who is trying so hard on a faultfinding trip into the Qur'an!



Prophets in Islam are guided from major sins and will never commit such major sins as described in the Bible!

Noah was drinking heavily till he became naked!
Lot slept with his two daughters after they got him drunk!
David covet Bethsheba so he sent Uriah to be killed and then married her!

And these are the ancestors of Jesus your God who didn't inherit the sins we inherit!

Abeg stop my mentions in your folly!

So what was meant to be the correct adjudication. According to the passage, David realised the one with 99 ewes was wrong to demand the ewe of the just one....which to me is the right decision.
Are u saying it's a wrong decision? Why should David asked for forgiveness of sin by making such a sound judgement.

Muslims always claim if sound logic is applied to religion, Islam will triumph. But this koranic verse is very confusing, it seems there's a missing piece left out to this inconclusive story

SIRTee15:


So what was meant to be the correct adjudication. According to the passage, David realised the one with 99 ewes was wrong to demand the ewe of the just one....which to me is the right decision.
Are u saying it's a wrong decision? Why should David asked for forgiveness of sin by making such a sound judgement.

Muslims always claim if sound logic is applied to religion, Islam will triumph. But this koranic verse is very confusing, it seems there's a missing piece left out to this inconclusive story

The response is clear to the blind and you shouldn't blame me if you still don't get it. Blame your lacking in comprehension.

Two people came for judgement but only one stated his case while the other was neglected and wasn't given a chance to talk!

Where is the judge's listening ear to the other party before judgement?

Please open your eyes and brain!
This is logical enough!

AbuTwins:


When Dawood realized that he had been too quick to judge, without listening to what the second disputant had to say, he hastened to repent: and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allaah) in repentance. [Saad 38:24 interpretation of the meaning].

Sin stated above!


The story from the Qur'an is unrelated to that of the Bible. Prophet Dawuud didn't commit covetousness, murder and adultery in Islam. He is simply a judge and Allah tests him with that judgement between the two litigants!
The comprehension problem is from you who is trying so hard on a faultfinding trip into the Qur'an!



Prophets in Islam are guided from major sins and will never commit such major sins as described in the Bible!

Noah was drinking heavily till he became naked!
Lot slept with his two daughters after they got him drunk!
David covet Bethsheba so he sent Uriah to be killed and then married her!

And these are the ancestors of Jesus your God who didn't inherit the sins we inherit!

Abeg stop my mentions in your folly!

Sir are prophets of Islam also guided from minor sins?

tctrills:

Sir are prophets of Islam also guided from minor sins?

No!

They are not. That's why Allah warned some of them and many like Adam, etc repented after committing sin.

AbuTwins:


No!

They are not. That's why Allah warned some of them and many like Adam, etc repented after committing sin.

I'm short, God prevents them from commiting major sins but allows them to commit minor sins? Why doesn't he just prevent them from all sins since God hates all sins.

AbuTwins:


When Dawood realized that he had been too quick to judge, without listening to what the second disputant had to say, he hastened to repent: and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allaah) in repentance. [Saad 38:24 interpretation of the meaning].

Sin stated above!

Is this not a damage control strategy.

Let's assume that you are correct, are you saying that according to Allah, the rich man is actually on the right path?
You have some explanation to do for the Qur'an is clear. The rich man prevailed to take only ewe lamb of his fellow.

AbuTwins:

The story from the Qur'an is unrelated to that of the Bible. Prophet Dawuud didn't commit covetousness, murder and adultery in Islam. He is simply a judge and Allah tests him with that judgement between the two litigants!
The comprehension problem is from you who is trying so hard on a faultfinding trip into the Qur'an!

Really!

How do you know that the story is unrelated to that in the Bible?
Show me just one evidence from either Mohammed or Allah where it says they aren't related stories.

AbuTwins:

Prophets in Islam are guided from major sins and will never commit such major sins as described in the Bible!

Noah was drinking heavily till he became naked!
Lot slept with his two daughters after they got him drunk!
David covet Bethsheba so he sent Uriah to be killed and then married her!

And these are the ancestors of Jesus your God who didn't inherit the sins we inherit!

Abeg stop my mentions in your folly!

*Was Mohammed guided from lusting after his dauter inlaw Zainab and marrying her?
*Was Mohammed guided from committing adultery with Mariya the maid of his wife?
*Was Mohammed guided when he incorporated the satanic verses as part of the words of Allah?
*Was Mohammed guided when he was kissing the Black stone?
*Was Mohammed guys ded when he bowed down to the daughters of Allah with the Meccans?

If these are not major sins unbecoming for a prophet, what else is a major sin?!

AbuTwins:


The response is clear to the blind and you shouldn't blame me if you still don't get it. Blame your lacking in comprehension.

Two people came for judgement but only one stated his case while the other was neglected and wasn't given a chance to talk!

Where is the judge's listening ear to the other party before judgement?

Please open your eyes and brain!
This is logical enough!

1. The Qur'an never stated that only one person stated his case.

TenQ:

1. The Qur'an never stated that only one person stated his case.

Show us exactly where two persons stated their case in the verse?

tctrills:

I'm short, God prevents them from commiting major sins but allows them to commit minor sins? Why doesn't he just prevent them from all sins since God hates all sins.

The reason being that they are humans!

Only angels are prevented from all sins!
All humans sin!
No human can be perfect!

TenQ:

Is this not a damage control strategy.

Let's assume that you are correct, are you saying that according to Allah, the rich man is actually on the right path?
You have some explanation to do for the Qur'an is clear. The rich man prevailed to take only ewe lamb of his fellow.

Of course, i am correct. No one is saying either of them is right or wrong! As usual here you just want to argue blindly!

The richer stated his case but the poor wasn't given a change to talk. So who determines who was right or wrong with an incomplete case?

Really!

How do you know that the story is unrelated to that in the Bible?
Show me just one evidence from either Mohammed or Allah where it says they aren't related stories.

You will have to show your prove that they are related. The burden of proof is not on me. Allah related well about Dawud in the Qur'an and he was a pious man who sings the Zabur beautifully that Allah made the animals sing along with him.

The Qur'an has no Uriah, no Bathsheba, etc.
Na your Bible get that foul story.

*Was Mohammed guided from lusting after his dauter inlaw Zainab and marrying her?
*Was Mohammed guided from committing adultery with Mariya the maid of his wife?
*Was Mohammed guided when he incorporated the satanic verses as part of the words of Allah?
*Was Mohammed guided when he was kissing the Black stone?
*Was Mohammed guys ded when he bowed down to the daughters of Allah with the Meccans?

If these are not major sins unbecoming for a prophet, what else is a major sin?!

How is this related to the story of David?
Jumping from one fault-finding mission to another!
Abeg! Make I go do use my time on other fruitful things.

AbuTwins:


Show us exactly where two persons stated their case in the verse?

I am even more concerned with the illogicality of the storyline.

The poor man must be exceptionally strong to carry the rich man over the fence to King David and none of his security details knew.

Can you explain how this feat was performed?





Did Allah say that the rich man said NOTHING!?
Checking this, only the poor man and David spoke less than a paragraph each.

TenQ:

I am even more concerned with the illogicality of the storyline.

The poor man must be exceptionally strong to carry the rich man over the fence to King David and none of his security details knew.

Can you explain how this feat was performed?


Did Allah say that the rich man said NOTHING!?
Checking this, only the poor man and David spoke less than a paragraph each.

When Jesus sent someone to go and take a donkey to fulfill the prophecy how did the person enter the building?

Were there no security?

Your questions are asinine!

AbuTwins:


When Jesus sent someone to go and take a donkey to fulfill the prophecy how did the person enter the building?

Were there no security?

Your questions are asinine!

Unfortunately for you, animals like donkeys are not kept inside the house but usually tied to a tree in front of the house.

There was no security

Mat 21:2-3:
"Saying to them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway you shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them to me. And if any man say ought to you, you shall say, The Lord has need of them; and straightway he will send them."


So, answery question :

How did the poor man carry the rich man over the fence of the palace of David?

The story doesn't make sense sir!

AbuTwins:
Of course, i am correct. No one is saying either of them is right or wrong! As usual here you just want to argue blindly!

The richer stated his case but the poor wasn't given a change to talk. So who determines who was right or wrong with an incomplete case?

You will have to show your prove that they are related. The burden of proof is not on me. Allah related well about Dawud in the Qur'an and he was a pious man who sings the Zabur beautifully that Allah made the animals sing along with him.

The Qur'an has no Uriah, no Bathsheba, etc.
Na your Bible get that foul story.



How is this related to the story of David?
Jumping from one fault-finding mission to another!
Abeg! Make I go do use my time on other fruitful things.

Are these major sins UNTRUE about your Prophet!?

*Was Mohammed guided from lusting after his dauter inlaw Zainab and marrying her?
*Was Mohammed guided from committing adultery with Mariya the maid of his wife?
*Was Mohammed guided when he incorporated the satanic verses as part of the words of Allah?
*Was Mohammed guided when he was kissing the Black stone?
*Was Mohammed guys ded when he bowed down to the daughters of Allah with the Meccans?

If these are not major sins unbecoming for a prophet, what else is a major sin?!

Qur'an 38:20-27
38:20 And We strengthened his (David's) dominion, and bestowed upon him wisdom and sagacity in judgment
38:21 AND YET, has the story of the litigants come within thy ken - [the story of the two] who surmounted the walls of the sanctuary [in which David prayed]
38:22 As they came upon David, and he shrank back in fear from them, they said: “Fear not! [We are but] two litigants. One of us has wronged the other: so judge thou between us with justice, and deviate not from what is right, and show [both of] us the way to rectitude
38:23 “Behold, this is my brother: he has ninety-nine ewes, whereas I have [only] one ewe - and yet he said, ‘Make her over to me,’ and forcibly prevailed against me in this [our] dispute.”
38:24 Said [David]: “He has certainly wronged thee by demanding that thy ewe be added to his ewes! Thus, behold, do many kinsmen wrong one another [all] save those who believe [in God] and do righteous deeds: but how few are they!” And [suddenly] David understood that We had tried him: and so he asked his Sustainer to forgive him his sin, and fell down in prostration, and turned unto Him in repentance
38:25 And thereupon We forgave him that [sin]: and, verily, nearness to Us awaits him [in the life to come], and the most beauteous of all goals
38:26 [And We said:] “O David! Behold, We have made thee a [prophet and, thus, Our] vicegerent on earth: judge, then, between men with justice, and do not follow vain desire, lest it lead thee astray from the path of God: verily, for those who go astray from the path of God there is suffering severe in store for having forgotten the Day of Reckoning!”


1. How did David commit a sin against God here?
2. Is the poor man in error in this dispute?
3. If the rich man is correct, why would he be?
Under what situation can the only lamb of a poor man not owing you money be justified for taking by a strong man?



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SIRTee15:


So what was meant to be the correct adjudication. According to the passage, David realised the one with 99 ewes was wrong to demand the ewe of the just one....which to me is the right decision.
Are u saying it's a wrong decision? Why should David asked for forgiveness of sin by making such a sound judgement.

Muslims always claim if sound logic is applied to religion, Islam will triumph. But this koranic verse is very confusing, it seems there's a missing piece left out to this
inconclusive story

You can see the confusion in islam

By itself alone, the story presented by Allah in Quran 38:20-27 is meaningless.

How does Allah intend anyone to understand the stroy with no context?


A poor man had the power to perform citizens arrest on a rich man and he carried him above the fence of the palace of David!

Not even one security agent caught them and they were even telling DAVID not to be afraid.

AbuTwins:


The response is clear to the blind and you shouldn't blame me if you still don't get it. Blame your lacking in comprehension.

Two people came for judgement but only one stated his case while the other was neglected and wasn't given a chance to talk!

Where is the judge's listening ear to the other party before judgement?

Please open your eyes and brain!
This is logical enough!

My friend u just confabulating. The theory u pushing here cannot the derived from the passage.
Your Koran said Allah blessed David with wisdom and never made bad judgement, so how can he beg for forgiveness for judgment he made when he's meant not to err on any judgement in the first place.
Ko make sense.

Here's how your scholars interpreted the passage. At least they were honest enough to admit the passage had to do with Uriah and Bathsheba. Unlike your dubious claim.

They even debunked your 419 theory as false and nonsense.

https://quranx.com/tafsirs/38.25

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AbuTwins:


The response is clear to the blind and you shouldn't blame me if you still don't get it. Blame your lacking in comprehension.

Two people came for judgement but only one stated his case while the other was neglected and wasn't given a chance to talk!

Where is the judge's listening ear to the other party before judgement?

Please open your eyes and brain!
This is logical enough!

AbuTwins, the tafseer and your scholars calls u a liar and a fabricator of exegesis. Repent and ask for forgiveness.
See more....
https://www.alhakam.org/prophet-david-unravelling-false-narratives/

Now that we can confirm that the koranic verse was actually about David, Uriah and bathsheba, we can ignore that AbuTwins who has been fabricating lies about the koran here. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

So my question to AbuTwins and other islamic apologetics...
Where did Muslims gets their own version of what happened between David, Bathsheba and Uriah.
How did they come about their own tales. Was it the Koran or hadith. Or Muhammed interpreted the verse as such.

If u claiming the bible narrative is false, tell me the source of your own story.

Then we can start from there.

TenQ:

You can see the confusion in islam

By itself alone, the story presented by Allah in Quran 38:20-27 is meaningless.

How does Allah intend anyone to understand the stroy with no context?


A poor man had the power to perform citizens arrest on a rich man and he carried him above the fence of the palace of David!

Not even one security agent caught them and they were even telling DAVID not to be afraid.

I've replied him, now let's await his mental gymnastics.

SIRTee15:
Now that we can confirm that the koranic verse was actually about David, Uriah and bathsheba, we can ignore that AbuTwins who has been fabricating lies about the koran here. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

So my question to AbuTwins and other islamic apologetics...
Where did Muslims gets their own version of what happened between David, Bathsheba and Uriah.
How did they come about their own tales. Was it the Koran or hadith. Or Muhammed interpreted the verse as such.

If u claiming the bible narrative is false, tell me the source of your own story.

Then we can start from there.

The source is the apparent meaning of the text of the Qur'an.

All the Qur'an exegesis about Uriah and Bathsheba were influenced by the Jews or Christians who became Muslims.

We call them isrealiyat narrations! That's like saying interpretation of the Qur'an with the Torah lens.

SIRTee15:


My friend u just confabulating. The theory u pushing here cannot the derived from the passage.
Your Koran said Allah blessed David with wisdom and never made bad judgement, so how can he beg for forgiveness for judgment he made when he's meant not to err on any judgement in the first place.
Ko make sense.

Here's how your scholars interpreted the passage. At least they were honest enough to admit the passage had to do with Uriah and Bathsheba. Unlike your dubious claim.

They even debunked your 419 theory as false and nonsense.

https://quranx.com/tafsirs/38.25

Where exactly did Allah say David was 100% perfect in judgement hence becoming like a God that can't make mistakes? That's simply falsehood!

David made a mistake mistake!
The scholars you are quoting too made mistake!
And you're all making mistakes here too!

AbuTwins:


Where exactly did Allah say David was 100% perfect in judgement hence becoming like a God that can't make mistakes? That's simply falsehood!

David made a mistake mistake!
The scholars you are quoting too made mistake!
And you're all making mistakes here too!

U sure say u dey read your Koran, I know it's boring to read, but at least dey try to read am if u want to defend Islam.

(38:20) And We strengthened his kingdom and endowed him with wisdom and decisive judgement.


Here's another exegesis on this contentious passage.
According to AbuTwins, all scholars are wrong, all tafseer and exegesis are mistakes. Only him is correct.
All hail Abu the scholar from bariga special school of ile keu.
My friend, on this matter u are on your own
Even your nairaland Muslim friends cannot safe u.
https://qurantalkblog.com/2021/09/02/davids-judgment-a-biblical-view/

AbuTwins:


The source is the apparent meaning of the text of the Qur'an.

All the Qur'an exegesis about Uriah and Bathsheba were influenced by the Jews or Christians who became Muslims.

We call them isrealiyat narrations! That's like saying interpretation of the Qur'an with the Torah lens.

So are u telling me to ignore the works of Al Tabar and take your own words for it.
That I should reject the works of profound islamic scholar Al tabari who said the passage is about David, Uriah and bathsheba, and then swallow your own blank claim for it.
Your claim that u cannot even defend here, makes no sense and can't be applied to the passage itself.
Common AbuTwins, no be JuJu be dat. If u modern Muslims wants to throw your greatest scholars under the bus for cheap points, that's your business; but don't come here and tell us to ignore the works of this hardworking Muslims.

Just take a look at the intro of the Al tabari u want me to ignore.
With the way u debate Koran here, I doubt u even complete Ile keu. No offense bro..

You do not rely on the Bible to explain the Quran.

The story of David and the litigants, as presented in Tafsir Al-Hakam, is actually a biblical narrative from the Books of Samuel in the Old Testament, an Israliyat that Tenq, you and others wrongly rely on. This mistake represents a critical error in the tafsir, as it attributes a story from the Bible to the Quran, leading to a misinterpretation and a misunderstanding of the actual message of the Quranic verse.

As a result, this error may cause confusion and misrepresentation of the Quranic text, especially for those who rely on tafsir to understand the nuances and teachings of the Quran. It is essential for scholars and theologians to conduct thorough research and ensure the accuracy of their interpretations, as errors in tafsir can have significant implications for the understanding of the Quran and the teachings it imparts.

Question is did David have 99 wives before?
If David was so perfect in judgement how come his son Sulaiman peace of Allah be on his prophets present a better argument when 2 women lay claim to a baby?


The error in the Tafsir Al-Hakam of Quran 38:21 concerning the story of David and the litigants is a critical example of the potential pitfalls in scholarly interpretations of the Quran.

SIRTee15:


U sure say u dey read your Koran, I know it's boring to read, but at least dey try to read am if u want to defend Islam.

(38:20) And We strengthened his kingdom and endowed him with wisdom and decisive judgement.


Here's another exegesis on this contentious passage.
According to AbuTwins, all scholars are wrong, all tafseer and exegesis are mistakes. Only him is correct.
All hail Abu the scholar from bariga special school of ile keu.
My friend, on this matter u are on your own
Even your nairaland Muslim friends cannot safe u.
https://qurantalkblog.com/2021/09/02/davids-judgment-a-biblical-view/

It's outright folly to try to make me believe Prophet Dawud (alayhi salam) was granted wisdom and decisive judgement and as such couldn't commit a mistake in judgement by not hearing out the second person but could commit covetousness, murder and adultery in one fell swoop!

The verse you quoted is still against you. With that verse Prophet Dawud would never fall into covetousness, adultery and murder!

Alhamdulillah for the light of Islam!

SIRTee15:


My friend u just confabulating. The theory u pushing here cannot the derived from the passage.
Your Koran said Allah blessed David with wisdom and never made bad judgement, so how can he beg for forgiveness for judgment he made when he's meant not to err on any judgement in the first place.
Ko make sense.

Here's how your scholars interpreted the passage. At least they were honest enough to admit the passage had to do with Uriah and Bathsheba. Unlike your dubious claim.

They even debunked your 419 theory as false and nonsense.

https://quranx.com/tafsirs/38.25

Thank you my brother for showing him this Tafsir from their own scholars. Islam cannot survive without lies.

Unfortunately, the problem of Islam is compounded once the link with Batsheba is made. They see this quagmire and thus they need a robust lie to cover up

SIRTee15:
Now that we can confirm that the koranic verse was actually about David, Uriah and bathsheba, we can ignore that AbuTwins who has been fabricating lies about the koran here. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

So my question to AbuTwins and other islamic apologetics...
Where did Muslims gets their own version of what happened between David, Bathsheba and Uriah.
How did they come about their own tales. Was it the Koran or hadith. Or Muhammed interpreted the verse as such.

If u claiming the bible narrative is false, tell me the source of your own story.

Then we can start from there.

Above is the Question for you.
Thanks to your SIRTee15 for this!

Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
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SIRTee15:


I've replied him, now let's await his mental gymnastics.

They are all frantically looking for solutions from their modern Islamic scholars to no avail.
The best for now they can do is to feign deaf and dumb