gaskiyamagana:

The difference between parable story and ordinary story with regard to your questions, is what your anti Islam roboticalized cognitive processes lacked. Due to your bad understanding of Qur'an and hatred for Islam, expecting anything positive from you about them is a great mistake for those who are answering you.

You forget that Christians are well aware and familiar with parables as Jesus taught a lot with parables.

With every parable is
1. The narrator
2. The storyline
2. The recipient of the narrator

You have not been able to tell us which is which because as I can see, David himself is part of the storyline thus he cannot also be the recipient of the story involving him.

If it was indeed a parable, then the events NEVER Happened : is this your conclusion?

gaskiyamagana:

Its too late, if not wasting of time to answer your questions about wether the story is parable or not.
Let me teach you something. Next time, you read a story in the Qur'an, ask your above questions about it. If you follow this advice, l am egg sure that this will reset, not format your anti Islam robotic brain in interpreting it.

You have not even answered my questions as per how the story was a parable.

You who have not even been able to answer my questions nor explained the verses in question want to teach me: how!?


Do you want me to give you an example of a parable from Jesus?

TenQ:

You forget that Christians are well aware and familiar with parables as Jesus taught a lot with parables.

With every parable is
1. The narrator
2. The storyline
2. The recipient of the narrator

You have not been able to tell us which is which because as I can see, David himself is part of the storyline thus he cannot also be the recipient of the story involving him.

If it was indeed a parable, then the events NEVER Happened : is this your conclusion?

Christians are known for DOUBLE STANDARD. There are parables in the Bible, but not in the Qur'an as you said the event never happened. Chai!

gaskiyamagana:


"....... FROM NOW ON YOU WILL BE CALLED ISRAEL, BECAUSE YOU HAVE FOUGHT WITH GOD AND WITH MEN AND HAVE WON" GENESIS 32:28.

1. Who said this?
2 Who is the referee in the fighting?
3. "..... you have fought with God and
with man" . Was it triple ( Jacob, God,
and the man (who is the man) or dual
( Jacob and God-man) fighting?

4. Which kind of fighting, wrestling,
judo, karate, kickboxing or boxing?
5. Who are the audience ?
6. Where was the fighting took place?
7. '.... and have won". How was the winner
decided?
Use your knowledge of technicality of Qur'an to answer technicality of the above questions

Unlike you Muslims, we answer questions


1. The statement "you have fought with God and with man" is spoken by the man with whom Jacob wrestled in Genesis 32:28.

2. There is no explicit mention of a referee in the biblical account of the wrestling match between Jacob and the man.

3. The phrase suggests a dual fight involving Jacob and both God and the man, indicating a spiritual encounter.

4. The biblical text doesn't specify the exact style of fighting; it describes it as a wrestling match.

5. The Bible doesn't mention an audience for the wrestling match between Jacob and the man.

6. The location of the wrestling match is mentioned in Genesis 32:22 as the ford of the Jabbok River.

7. The concept of "and have won" may be interpreted spiritually, suggesting a transformative experience rather than a conventional physical victory with a clear decision. Because, just with a single touch, on the thigh of Jacob, he experienced a dislocation.


As clearly as I have answered your questions, kindly answer mine.


Let's assume that Allah was detailed and narrated all the ordeal between the two litigants, can you answer the following questions

1. Did David now asked the rich man to tell his own side of the story after his repentance?
2. What then was the aftermath of the litigation?
3. What happened to the Ewe in question: did David divide it into two?
4. Please justify how the poor man was wrong and the rich man is right in this case?

Perhaps they should first make sense of why the Biblical God afflicted and killed 70,000 Israelites for the sin of their David when he conducted a census.
2 Samuel 24:15 So the Lord sent a plague on Israel from that morning until the end of the time designated, and seventy thousand of the people from Dan to Beersheba died.

Their David himself says in 2 Samuel 24:17 “I have sinned; I, the shepherd,[a] have done wrong. These are but sheep. What have they done? Let your hand fall on me and my family.”

Clear contradiction of Ezekiel 18:20 which states that the soul that sinneth, it shall die.The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Regarding the emboldened they claim the first fruit of David and the alleged child of the coveted woman died, why punish the innocent baby for the sin of the parents?

gaskiyamagana:

Christians are known for DOUBLE STANDARD. There are parables in the Bible, but not in the Qur'an as you said the event never happened. Chai!

Show me just one parable in the Bible that is a real life event!

Just one is enough!

If David was part of the story and the fence of his palace was part of the story, it cannot be a parable.

Or better still,
Show me just one Hadith of Mohammed that say that it is a parable.

Explore2xmore:
Perhaps they should first make sense of why the Biblical God afflicted and killed 70,000 Israelites for the sin of their David when he conducted a census.
2 Samuel 24:15 So the Lord sent a plague on Israel from that morning until the end of the time designated, and seventy thousand of the people from Dan to Beersheba died.

Their David himself says in 2 Samuel 24:17 “I have sinned; I, the shepherd,[a] have done wrong. These are but sheep. What have they done? Let your hand fall on me and my family.”

Clear contradiction of Ezekiel 18:20 which states that the soul that sinneth, it shall die.The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Regarding the emboldened they claim the first fruit of David and the alleged child of the coveted woman died, why punish the innocent baby for the sin of the parents?

1. God did not give any explicit reason why the children of Israel were complicit in the sin of David.
Any explanation would be a conjecture.
2. Death to God is a home coming. And God reserves the right to call ANYBODY home in death at any time.

Do you disagree that God is sovereign over who lives and who dies. Even foetuses in the womb die and no one can challenge God for it
3. David was the king over Israel, his actions and inactions naturally affect the whole of Israel. Just like our politicians mismanagement of our national wealth affect ALL Nigerians irrespective of how pious one is.
4. It seems that prior to the time of Ezekiel, it was normal for others to partake in the punishment of sin of an individual. Ezekiel rights this by saying. There are several instances of that in the Bible before Ezekiel

Ezek 18:2-3:
"What mean you, that you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? As I live, said the Lord GOD, you shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel."

5. Are you saying that Muslim children don't die and if they died, is it a punishment from Allah to the child?

Death to God is a return back to him



Will you now answer my own questions now?


Indeed it was a parable but they didn't jump any fence nor go to the king for settlement. Prophet Nathan gave the parable to David. David's judgement was that the rich man must die and Nathan told him: "David, you are that man" because you can have any woman of your chosen and you had many wives but you decided to take the wife of a poor subject.

[quote author=TenQ post=126995437]
1. God did not give any explicit reason why the children of Israel were complicit in the sin of David.
Any explanation would be a conjecture.
/quote]

You see how you contradict yourself by yourself? Seeking explicit reason; what reason was even given if not explicit?

[quote author=Explore2xmore post=126995635][/quote]
You asked the question about Why God killed the children of Israel: how have I contradicted myself?


Even though I said that : Did I not explain further that

3. David was the king over Israel, his actions and inactions naturally affect the whole of Israel. Just like our politicians mismanagement of our national wealth affect ALL Nigerians irrespective of how pious one is.
4. It seems that prior to the time of Ezekiel, it was normal for others to partake in the punishment of sin of an individual. Ezekiel rights this by saying. There are several instances of that in the Bible before Ezekiel

Ezek 18:2-3:
"What mean you, that you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? As I live, said the Lord GOD, you shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel."


Death to God is a return back to him

TenQ:

You asked the question about Why God killed the children of Israel: how have I contradicted myself?

By your earlier submission you show that your God in the Bible is not explicit about all the things he does, why then do you ask for more than what has been said?

Is this to suit your own inclinations? Have you asked this about your scripture where it isn't explained tending to stating the Biblical God doesn't do exact justice by apparently plaguing and killing those who hadn't sinned for the error or sin of their leader?

Explore2xmore:


By your earlier submission you show that your God in the Bible is not explicit about all the things he does, why then do you ask for more than what has been said?

Because you claim your story is a parable to which we don't even know the narrator.

Do you know have the answer?

Explore2xmore:


By your earlier submission you show that your God in the Bible is not explicit about all the things he does, why then do you ask for more than what has been said?

Is this to suit your own inclinations? Have you asked this about your scripture where it isn't explained tending to stating the Biblical God doesn't do exact justice by apparently plaguing and killing those who hadn't sinned for the error or sin of their leader?

Doesn't God have prerogative over life and death again?

If God doesn't, then there is cause for explanation

TenQ:

Doesn't God have prerogative over life and death again?

If God doesn't, then there is cause for explanation

Clown now remembers God's prerogative!
Put an end to your circus show!

Quran 38:26:"O David, indeed We have made you a successor upon the earth, so judge between the people in truth and do not follow [your own] desire, as it will lead you astray from the way of Allah ." Indeed, those who go astray from the way of Allah will have a severe punishment for having forgotten the Day of Account.

TenQ:



Case Closed

Explore2xmore:


Clown now remembers God's prerogative!
Put an end to your circus show!

Quran 38:26:"O David, indeed We have made you a successor upon the earth, so judge between the people in truth and do not follow [your own] desire, as it will lead you astray from the way of Allah ." Indeed, those who go astray from the way of Allah will have a severe punishment for having forgotten the Day of Account.

So the stolen story is Allah's perogative??

Khai!
No wonder you were tongue tied with giving reasonable logical answers.
The question was about the two litigant that came to David and not Allah.

Find another excuse!


Let's assume that Allah was detailed and narrated all the ordeal between the two litigants, can you answer the following questions

1. Did David now asked the rich man to tell his own side of the story after his repentance?
2. What then was the aftermath of the litigation?
3. What happened to the Ewe in question: did David divide it into two?
4. Please justify how the poor man was wrong and the rich man is right in this case?

TenQ:

So the stolen story is Allah's perogative??

Khai!
No wonder you were tongue tied with giving reasonable logical answers.
The question was about the two litigant that came to David and not Allah.

Find another excuse!


Let's assume that Allah was detailed and narrated all the ordeal between the two litigants, can you answer the following questions

1. Did David now asked the rich man to tell his own side of the story after his repentance?
2. What then was the aftermath of the litigation?
3. What happened to the Ewe in question: did David divide it into two?
4. Please justify how the poor man was wrong and the rich man is right in this case?

Probably when you excuse the plaguing and killing 70,000 upon the alleged sin of David as well as Moses killing 3000 for the sin of Aaron

Till then be content seeing how Allah has warned against the use of personal desire to make judgement without adequately considering the facts of dispute from all contending sides.

Or do you want to read of how Solomon surpassed his father in wisdom when they seemed to jointly deliver judgement?

You carelessly excuse the Biblical God killing thousands and are not satisfied with what is obvious as a case of inadequate judgement haven not fully considered an argument. Indeed I see and know how you judge.


History is replete with numerous instances of improper judgement tell me what has come of these?

Explore2xmore:


Probably when you excuse the plaguing and killing 70,000 upon the alleged sin of David as well as Moses killing 3000 for the sin of Aaron

Till then be content seeing how Allah has warned against the use of personal desire to make judgement without adequately considering the facts of dispute from all contending sides.

Or do you want to read of how Solomon surpassed his father in wisdom when they seemed to jointly deliver judgement?

You carelessly excuse the Biblical God killing thousands and are not satisfied with what is obvious as a case of inadequate judgement haven not fully considered an argument. Indeed I see and know how you judge.

Now, you throw your Prophet under the bus again! You claim biblical God, he says his Allah and the same Qur'an 29:46
"... We believe in what has been revealed to us and to you (the Bible). Our God and your God is one and we fully submit to him"
Is this statement a lie?

Biblical God indeed. You now know better than your Allah! SMH!!


When a leader makes a mistake, it affects his followers : didn't you read that?
SMH!



And I have asked you a thousand times now.

According to you, David made a wrong judgement!
Then, Tell me how the poor man is guilty and the rich man righteous!

Is this difficult?

Explore2xmore:
Now you show your arrogance that all this is not but for sake of winning an argument.

Probably why you hide that if you tell me certain things of your own scripture under your claim that I will not believe.

Do you all deceive yourselves that there aren't situations amongst humans where only one plaintive states his case in a dispute and the other is disallowed?


A reference to Guinness world records betrays your propensity to worldly views when your own scripture tells you the wisdom of man is but foolishness before God.
Yes both persons came for a settlement and only one stated his side of the dispute and a hasty reactive statement was made to his comment without listening to the other.
Are you all stuck up in your reasoning to see this?

All can bear witness that I gave explorer the opportunity to provide evidence for his claim that the litigants were angels but he declined to take up the challenge.
This proves only thing...the angelic claim is just a figment of imagination from Explore2xmore without any authentic islamic literature to back it up.
Cased closed

Ok, let's go the bible since u ve been itchy to go there since this debate started.
Now I will teach explorer how to answer theological questions without garnishing it with lies or false tales.

Free to ask me any questions. I will go thru out posts and reply to bible questions u asked earlier.
Feel free to ask more

Alas you don't fail to display your ignoramus. My statement that some does not signify all or does it?

Explore2xmore:
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Even the Biblical Jesus says only the almighty God is good.

You fail to understand as you switch your intellect off to see the lesson being thought on how to do justice where there is a dispute more so on an issue you have no fore knowledge of.

How can I know the degree of correctness in David's judgement when the other persons story is not narrated before a judgement was passed. Some exegesis state these were even angels that disappeared and David realised his error and realized what he was being taught. True to his nature he sort forgiveness regretting his hasty and impatient reaction without hearing the other side.

When there is a dispute between two people and your input for justice is sought by them together would you have them jointly present their case or listen to one and then the other?
Please be real and sincere!

Lessened the text and emboldened for you to see. Are you on your own incapable of research to find exegesis that call the litigants angels? When you arrogantly refuse to share what may or may not be useful knowledge hiding on a claim that it will do me no good as you see the future that I will not agree with you. 😁😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why not use this same clairvoyance or supernatural ability to find the exegesis saying the litigants are angel.
SILLY ENTITY

SIRTee15:


All can bear witness that I gave explorer the opportunity to provide evidence for his claim that the litigants were angels but he declined to take up the challenge.
This proves only thing...the angelic claim is just a figment of imagination from Explore2xmore without any authentic islamic literature to back it up.
Cased closed

Ok, let's go the bible since u ve been itchy to go there since this debate started.
Now I will teach explorer how to answer theological questions without garnishing it with lies or false tales.

Free to ask me any questions. I will go thru out posts and reply to bible questions u asked earlier.
Feel free to ask more

Explore2xmore:
Alas you don't fail to display your ignoramus. My statement that some does not signify all or does it?



Lessened the text and emboldened for you to see. Are you on your own incapable of research to find exegesis that call the litigants angels? When you arrogantly refuse to share what may or may not be useful knowledge hiding on a claim that it will do me no good as you see the future that I will not agree with you. 😁😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why not use this same clairvoyance or supernatural ability to find the exegesis saying the litigants are angel.
SILLY ENTITY

My friend, u denounced your own tafsirs right here on this thread, u claimed they are filled with errors and the scholars made mistakes
So why should I go and research tafseers u used your own mouth to denounce as false.
When u were choosing and picking tafsirs at your own convenience, u never thought about the reciprocity of such folly.
One tafseer said David coveted Bathsheba, another one said David killed Uriah and nothing wrong with it, one even said this men were normal human beings. Now u brought one that said the litigants were angels.
Which one should we believe in the growing pillage of confusing tafseers.



Mr Man I want authentic islamic literature that u have not used your mouth to denounce. I want evidence from the Koran or the hadiths u consider authentic.

Explore2xmore:
Alas you don't fail to display your ignoramus. My statement that some does not signify all or does it?



Lessened the text and emboldened for you to see. Are you on your own incapable of research to find exegesis that call the litigants angels? When you arrogantly refuse to share what may or may not be useful knowledge hiding on a claim that it will do me no good as you see the future that I will not agree with you. 😁😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why not use this same clairvoyance or supernatural ability to find the exegesis saying the litigants are angel.
SILLY ENTITY

Now that we both acknowledged that your tafseer is corrupt, we can't use it as a basis to settle this matter, it should be rejected as an authentic source because it's not reliable.
Isn't that what u guys do to the bible claiming it's corrupt.
Pls don't bring up the tafseers anymore, they are not reliable. If u dont have any other reliable source, just end it. Ok.
Let's go to the bible. Let me teach u real exegesis and not your 419 scholars who need to first know what's written in the bible b4 making up their mind how to interpret the koran.

Explore2xmore:


Probably when you excuse the plaguing and killing 70,000 upon the alleged sin of David as well as Moses killing 3000 for the sin of Aaron

And I have.

Is it untrue that it is normal and natural that followers pay for the error or judgment of their leaders?

Nigerian economy for instance is mismanaged by a few but paid for by the rest of us. Is this not natural.

A father arrested and jailed for fraud will affect the progress of his children. Is this not a natural consequence in nature?

Explore2xmore:

Till then be content seeing how Allah has warned against the use of personal desire to make judgement without adequately considering the facts of dispute from all contending sides.

Or do you want to read of how Solomon surpassed his father in wisdom when they seemed to jointly deliver judgement?

You carelessly excuse the Biblical God killing thousands and are not satisfied with what is obvious as a case of inadequate judgement haven not fully considered an argument. Indeed I see and know how you judge.


History is replete with numerous instances of improper judgement tell me what has come of these?

Quote one instance when David and Solomon gave a joint judgement over any matter.

Israel is God's own property.
Death is a home coming and not annihilation therefore, when God kills his own, he commits no evil against them. You probably exactly like atheists disagree with this statement. Your eyes is fixated by what is physical and of course not surprising that your paradise is sensual in nature.

Did you review your argument before presenting it?

You share an extract authored by Aqeel Ahmed Kang in alhakam.org who reviews a number of Tafsir's including Al-Tabari, Tafsir-e-Saghir and Ishaq Al-Thalabi then makes the statement "Two of his enemies – not angels – scaled the wall of his private chamber". If there aren't Tafsir's saying these are angels WHY will he make such statement?

Note that Kang dissected the erroneous narrative of Prophet David's relationship with Bathsheba which is often depicted in a scandalous and sensationalized manner, perpetuating a distorted view of Prophet David's character. Or tell me you missed that intact don't bother!

SIRTee15:


Now that we both acknowledged that your tafseer is corrupt, we can't use it as a basis to settle this matter, it should be rejected as an authentic source because it's not reliable.
Isn't that what u guys do to the bible claiming it's corrupt.
Pls don't bring up the tafseers anymore, they are not reliable. If u dont have any other reliable source, just end it. Ok.
Let's go to the bible. Let me teach u real exegesis and not your 419 scholars who need to first know what's written in the bible b4 making up their mind how to interpret the koran.

Explore2xmore:
Did you review your argument before presenting it?

You share an extract authored by Aqeel Ahmed Kang in alhakam.org who reviews a number of Tafsir's including Al-Tabari, Tafsir-e-Saghir and Ishaq Al-Thalabi then makes the statement "Two of his enemies – not angels – scaled the wall of his private chamber". If there aren't Tafsir's saying these are angels WHY will he make such statement?

Note that Kang dissected the erroneous narrative of Prophet David's relationship with Bathsheba which is often depicted in a scandalous and sensationalized manner, perpetuating a distorted view of Prophet David's character. Or tell me you missed that intact don't bother!

Didn't you see the source of the story which I underlined?

Ok I finally found a source that agreed with u that the litigant were angels but do u also agree with Al tabari that David killed Uriah?
Explorer u can't be picking and choosing at will, it makes no sense and brings your argument to mockery.

SIRTee15:


Didn't you see the source of the story which I underlined?

Ok I finally found a source that agreed with u that the litigant were angels but do u also agree with Al tabari that David killed Uriah?
Explorer u can't be picking and choosing at will, it makes no sense and brings your argument to mockery.

You obviously know that the screenshot you just shared describes the content of a false accusation and there Al Tabari is referenced.

What is the title of this article? Prophet David: Unravelling false narratives

In the earlier text is the origin of the false exegesis not described?
Can you simply read the translated text of the Quran verses without relying on exegesis? Relying on the exegesis brings on unnecessary questions as there are views that the litigants were actually assasins, true litigants or angels yet the verse 26 emphasizes conducting justice and not following desire while following the path of God lest we go astray.

Heyyy TenQ

I’ve been away for so long. How are you doing? how’s family? What about your rapist defending lawyer friend of yours? Hope he is good too?

Explore2xmore:


You obviously know that the screenshot you just shared describes the content of a false accusation and there Al Tabari is referenced.

What is the title of this article? Prophet David: Unravelling false narratives

In the earlier text is the origin of the false exegesis not described?
Can you simply read the translated text of the Quran verses without relying on exegesis? Relying on the exegesis brings on unnecessary questions as there are views that the litigants were actually assasins, true litigants or angels yet the verse 26 emphasizes conducting justice and not following desire while following the path of God lest we go astray.

The Koran never said they were angels that's my point.

SIRTee15:


The Koran never said they were angels that's my point.

Noted

LegalWolf:
Heyyy TenQ

I’ve been away for so long. How are you doing? how’s family? What about your rapist defending lawyer friend of yours? Hope he is good too?

Hello LegalWolf,
Nice to see hear from you. How's the cold weather. Keep warm.
Your colleague and birds of the same feathers is most likely closer to you than to me. You may ask your other black widow cloth wearing folks of his whereabout!

Anyways, nice to hear from you.

As you can see, it is impossible to defend Islam without looking stupid!

I still passionately invite you to the Messiah for your salvation!

You can never change - a future thief is would always be a thief in the making!

TenQ:

Hello LegalWolf,
Nice to see hear from you. How's the cold weather. Keep warm.
Your colleague and birds of the same feathers is most likely closer to you than to me. You may ask your other black widow cloth wearing folks of his whereabout!

Anyways, nice to hear from you.

As you can see, it is impossible to defend Islam without looking stupid!

I still passionately invite you to the Messiah for your salvation!

I was courteous to ask four questions, namely:

1. How are you?

2. How’s family?

3. How’s your (rapist defending lawyer) friend?

4. Hope he’s good too?

Which of the above did you answer? Didn’t the bible encourage you to be respectful and courteous? Why are you disobeying yhwh? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

LegalWolf:
You can never change - a future thief is would always be a thief in the making!


I was courteous to ask four questions, namely:

1. How are you?

2. How’s family?

3. How’s your (rapist defending lawyer) friend?

4. Hope he’s good too?

Which of the above did you answer? Didn’t the bible encourage you to be respectful and courteous? Why are you disobeying yhwh? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

As you can see, it is impossible to defend Islam without looking stupid!

I passionately invite you to the Messiah for your salvation!

TenQ:


As you can see, it is impossible to defend Islam without looking stupid!

I passionately invite you to the Messiah for your salvation!

For yhwh sake, why are you this bitter? Isn’t one of yhwhs message “love”? How could you love when you’re this bitter? 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Common courtesy, you can’t reciprocate. Do you think yhwh would be proud of you?

LegalWolf:


For yhwh sake, why are you this bitter? Isn’t one of yhwhs message “love”? How could you love when you’re this bitter? 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Common courtesy, you can’t reciprocate. Do you think yhwh would be proud of you?

A man who defends the document he received from a fraudster is at the risk of losing everything including his eternity.

God the Creator of ALL CANNOT make human-like MISTAKES found all about the document you have in your hand.

The one who gives Life and Salvation is the Messiah!