OLAADEGBU: Neither Wine nor Strong Drink

"For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." (Luke 1:15)

Whether or not the Bible clearly commands total abstinence from alcohol for Christians, it is increasingly being recognized that alcohol is the most widely abused and dangerous drug of all—causing more fatal accidents and injuries, more broken homes, more intimate promiscuity, more job absenteeism, and more disease than cocaine or any other drug. Yet it is widely promoted socially and increasingly is being accepted even among evangelical Christians.

But the example of John the Baptist is worth considering. The angel Gabriel testified that he would be "great in the sight of the Lord" and then added that he would "drink neither wine nor strong drink," implying a connection between the two. Indeed, Christ called John the greatest man who had ever lived up to that time (Matthew 11:11)--that is, greater than even Abraham, Moses, or Daniel!

Then the very same verse says that John would "be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb," and he is the only man of whom that was ever said. Again there seems to be a connection, for no one could simultaneously drink wine or strong drink and also be filled with the Spirit. The apostle Paul also warned concerning this conflict when he said: "Be not drunk |literally, 'begin to be drunk'| with wine . . . but be filled |that is, 'be continually being filled'| with the Spirit" (Ephesians 5:18).

Drinking alcoholic beverages in moderation may or may not be permissible, but that does not make it right. "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient" (1 Corinthians 6:12). At least in John's case, being great in God's sight and being filled with the Spirit were closely associated with abstinence from alcohol. HMM

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Pastor Kun:

Why do you like recycling old stale and settled arguements?

OLAADEGBU:

What are you arguing about, the Word of God?

Pastor Kun:

Nope I am arguing against false preachers and brethen like you.

Pastor Kun:

Nope I am arguing against false preachers and brethen like you.

brainpulse:

Why do you continue to argue against them?

Pastor Kun:

Because they continue to lead the flock of christ astray and the bible says we should rebuke them sharply.

OLAADEGBU: Neither Wine nor Strong Drink

"For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." (Luke 1:15)

Whether or not the Bible clearly commands total abstinence from alcohol for Christians, it is increasingly being recognized that alcohol is the most widely abused and dangerous drug of all—causing more fatal accidents and injuries, more broken homes, more intimate promiscuity, more job absenteeism, and more disease than cocaine or any other drug. Yet it is widely promoted socially and increasingly is being accepted even among evangelical Christians.

But the example of John the Baptist is worth considering. The angel Gabriel testified that he would be "great in the sight of the Lord" and then added that he would "drink neither wine nor strong drink," implying a connection between the two. Indeed, Christ called John the greatest man who had ever lived up to that time (Matthew 11:11)--that is, greater than even Abraham, Moses, or Daniel!

Then the very same verse says that John would "be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb," and he is the only man of whom that was ever said. Again there seems to be a connection, for no one could simultaneously drink wine or strong drink and also be filled with the Spirit. The apostle Paul also warned concerning this conflict when he said: "Be not drunk |literally, 'begin to be drunk'| with wine . . . but be filled |that is, 'be continually being filled'| with the Spirit" (Ephesians 5:18).

Drinking alcoholic beverages in moderation may or may not be permissible, but that does not make it right. "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient" (1 Corinthians 6:12). At least in John's case, being great in God's sight and being filled with the Spirit were closely associated with abstinence from alcohol. HMM

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OLAADEGBU:

Does the bible command total abstinence from alcohol for Christians?

Goshen360:

I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.....The same tithe you preach\teach says people should use the money from their crops and livestock (original tithe content) to buy strong drink\alcohol. If you must preach against alcohol\strong drink, you must also tell them not to tithe otherwise, they are also free to use their tithe money to buy alcohol\strong drink. When you do that, it is then you are preaching complete package not just preaching what suits you.

24“Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, [size=14pt]wine, or other alcoholic drink.[/size] Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

Deuteronomy 14
New Living Translation

Goshen360:



I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.....The same tithe you preach\teach says people should use the money from their crops and livestock (original tithe content) to buy strong drink\alcohol. If you must preach against alcohol\strong drink, you must also tell them not to tithe otherwise, they are also free to use their tithe money to buy alcohol\strong drink. When you do that, it is then you are preaching complete package not just preaching what suits you.

24“Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, [size=14pt]wine, or other alcoholic drink.[/size] Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

Deuteronomy 14
New Living Translation

brainpulse:

Btw you that twist the words of God for your selfish ways should be rebuke more.

Goshen360:

Brother Ola, please stop being an hypocrites here. Kindly address the scripture that says folks should use their tithe money to buy and drink alcohol\wine\strong drink which your OP preach against and yet you and your folks are collecting the same tithe money from them.

OLAADEGBU:

You are the one being hypocritical here, with one mouth you say the OT isn't applicable to Christians and with the same mouth you can apply the OT to support your drinking of "push me I push you".

Goshen360:



Why not tell folks to leave the tithe and not use it buy alcohol - that will be a balance teachings. But when you say no alcohol, but you hold tithe and yet, tithe can be used to buy same alcohol you teachings against. That's wrongly dividing the word and cherry-picking.

Goshen360:



Make una come help me see something o. When I said OT is not application to Christians, I also included tithe which is included in the scriptures I quoted. I teach the the entire Mosaic laws and regulations is gone and done away since Christ has fulfilled the law. You are the very one holding to the OT scriptures because you promote Judaism. You pick some and leave out some and I'm showing you that part of the some you pick also says folks should use their tithe money to buy alcohol your thread is teaching. Why not tell folks to leave the tithe and not use it buy alcohol - that will be a balance teachings. But when you say no alcohol, but you hold tithe and yet, tithe can be used to buy same alcohol you teachings against. That's wrongly dividing the word and cherry-picking.

frosbel:

It's called Hypocrisy and is a trait of holier than thou pharisees !

Goshen360:



I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.....The same tithe you preach\teach says people should use the money from their crops and livestock (original tithe content) to buy strong drink\alcohol. If you must preach against alcohol\strong drink, you must also tell them not to tithe otherwise, they are also free to use their tithe money to buy alcohol\strong drink. When you do that, it is then you are preaching complete package not just preaching what suits you.

24“Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, [size=14pt]wine, or other alcoholic drink.[/size] Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

Deuteronomy 14
New Living Translation

OLAADEGBU:

Strawman's fallacy. It is you that finds it difficult to diffferentiate between the Moral law and ceremonial laws. God's law are basically the same it's just that you can't fulfill it in your own flesh, you have to be dead to the law of sin and death if you are to have the Spirit of life in Christ.

OLAADEGBU:

Strawman's fallacy. It is you that finds it difficult to diffferentiate between the Moral law and ceremonial laws. God's law are basically the same it's just that you can't fulfill it in your own flesh, you have to be dead to the law of sin and death if you are to have the Spirit of life in Christ.

Goshen360:

26When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, [size=14pt]wine, or other alcoholic drink.[/size]

italo:

@ Olaadegbu, I subsribe to this post. If you will not address Goshen, you can address your response to me. At least, I never said the OT wasn't applicable to Christians.

...Or will you find another flimsy excuse, as usual?

Pastor Kun:

The slimy hypocrite would rather die than address the quoted scripture that provides overwhelming evidence that he is a filthy liar and his church doctrines are also mostly false man made theories.

Goshen360:



Make una come help me see something o. When I said OT is not application to Christians, I also included tithe which is included in the scriptures I quoted. I teach the the entire Mosaic laws and regulations is gone and done away since Christ has fulfilled the law. You are the very one holding to the OT scriptures because you promote Judaism. You pick some and leave out some and I'm showing you that part of the some you pick also says folks should use their tithe money to buy alcohol your thread is teaching. Why not tell folks to leave the tithe and not use it buy alcohol - that will be a balance teachings. But when you say no alcohol, but you hold tithe and yet, tithe can be used to buy same alcohol you teachings against. That's wrongly dividing the word and cherry-picking.

Goshen360: We're still waiting for our brother to answer the above question BUT I HAVE A BIGGER QUESTION FOR OUR BROTHER, OLA.

@ Ola, You have choices to make though. You can ask the the audience, call a friends/brothers, that is call Image123, Bidam, Joagbaje, potentpraise (we know who dey hide under this I.D sha) or you can use a 50/50 lifeline.

Brother mi Ola, nibo l'ewa o? Where art thou? And don't dare think you can run away from this thread or question for days/weeks; if you do, we shall resurrect this thread to follow you up.

juventino:
OLAADEGBU don put his finger for tortoise yansh today. You must answer Goshen's question or else