On MASTURB/ATION.
In the midst of all the self righteous talk from zealous Christians we are missing some very important points that he made...First, he says if you are enslaved by masturbation then God is not pleased, secondly that mastur/bation as an action in itself is not sin... In medicine to do a sper.m count you must produce a sample by mastu/rbation. . .have all those patient therefore committed sin? but if you mix it with uncleanliness . . . .which I interprete as deliberate desire to indulge In unnatural practices then that is just wrong.

I would assume most people who mastur/bate do so because they feel a build up of sexual urge when they are young and have to mastu/rbate to feel relieved, they are not doing so to deliberately offend God. . . . .though others use it as an opportunity to indulge in unlawful fantasies. . .those who mastur/bate and are believers must be made to understand that God loves them and accepts them and we should not join ranks with Satan in condemning them. It is knowing that God accepts them that helps them to break the habit

u ve been decieved already. i pray the Lord opens your eyes to know the truth and be free

meji.inc:
Am surprised people still find time to sit in debating and analyzing God's Prophets. What do they know about sin? Is God after the mistakes you make as a born again Christian or does He look out for the rejuvenated you, seeking to bring the lost back into the kingdom? I only have this question to ask you: Are you born again and do you have the Holy Spirit live in you? If yes, then there wouldn't have been any need for this long mind-confusing essay, which will only end up winning souls for the kingdom of darkness. Do a serious rethink about this, stop being sin conscious and give righteousness a chance. Its not by power nor might but by the spirit, says the Lord.

Jesus Christ was called son of the devil by Jewish leaders of the law (those who preach the coming of Christ) during his earthly ministry
and you are one of those leaders of the law who don't see anything good in a man of God. If you know
the word of God very well, why don't you start a church and let us follow you that will make us go to
heaven. I want to let you know that you are the ANTI-CHRIST.

bluepro: In not holding brief for anyone, l like to ask this question: if Pastor Chris said that smoking is not a sin and u don't smoke, will u then start smoking? If he said that drinking alcohol is not a sin, will u then start drinking if don't? Let's be very clear on what he said, he was expessly asked if self service is a sin and he answered no, but did not say it is right. There was a follow up to this issue as a result of the reaction it created, which nobody have mentioned. If we go by the bible, cigarette smoking was not mentioned and cannot be called a Sin, but does it make smoking right? No! Is it okay to eat food? Yes. Can eating of food becoming a sin? Yes (when one turns to a glutton).

There are certain things that cannot be openly said about God and the bible, in order not to mislead pple, but can be said to those that have received salvation, because they now inderstand and will not go back and start doing that which they weren't doing simply because they now understand better. Can a Pastor drink beer? Yes! Can/shd he drink beer publicly? No! Not because he is pretending, but because the unsaved won't understand.

Pastor Chris' messeage on self-service, alcoholism, smoking etc are primarily directed to his members who understand/shd understand and knw how to tackle such questions when faced by them outside. It wasn't a green card to go and practice them. Jesus was asked if it was right to pay tax, He was able to answer with wisdom because he was a Man of knowlege. That said, l believe everyone's purpose shd be to knw God personally and He will guide u on what is good or bad. He will dwell in u. Thanks.

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THIS POST ACTUALLY SAYS IT ALL...THE PASTOR ONLY TRANSPARENTLY STATED A CLEAR AND NON-CONTROVERSIAL VIEW WITHOUT QUOTING OUT OF CONTEXT NOR MISQUOTING ANY PASSAGE IN THE BIBLE OR CONTRARY. THESE ARE SIMPLY INDIVIDUAL HABITS SUCH AS GLUTTONY, VIDEO-GAME ADDICTION AND SEX-ADDICTION (IN MARRIAGE)...ETC WHICH WERE NOT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE.

DO YOU KNOW THAT GIVING BIRTH TO MORE CHILDREN THAN YOU CAN CATER FOR IS A SIN? DESPITE THE FACT THAT SOME BIGOTS WILL ARGUE THAT CHILDREN ARE GIFTS FROM GOD, WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT GOD ALSO NEEDS YOUR BIOLOGICAL CONSENT VIA SEX TO GIVE YOU THOSE CHILDREN, AS A RESULT MOST OF THEM REFUSE CONTRACEPTIVES AND FAMILY PLANNING (SINCE THEY FEEL THERES NO REASON TO PREVENT 'GOD'S GIVEN' GIFTS

PLEASE LET REV. CHRIS BE, HE'S DONE HIS BEST TO GIVE A SIMPLE EXPLANATION TO Y'ALL BUT SINCE MOST OF YOU ARE ACTUALLY 'HOLIER' THAN THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN AND ALSO SINCE YOUR DADS WERE THE CO-AUTHORS OF THE BIBLE, WE WONT HEAR WORD AGAIN SHEY? THERE'S A THIN LINE BETWEEN KNOWLEDGE(EARS) AND UNDERSTANDING(MIND) AS WELL AS WISDOM(APPLICATION)...MOST ONLY HAVE THE FIRST, I SEE, THE OTHER TWO ARE TOO EXPENSIVE FOR YOU TO ATLEAST BORROW.

#nuffsaid

@willadebo

For d Pastor 2 say some habits are not written in d Bible as sin does nt mean he's saying it's right 2 do it. As marrying ur brothers wife when he died without child is not a sin in d Bible, - Mtt 22:24 n Deut 25:5, this does not make it right 2 do it in reality. Some do it n some fraun at it. If Apostle Paul shld tell u 2 marry ur bros wife at his demise 2day, u'll call him names. Tnx.

It takes d grace of God 2 do d will of God.

My honest, fair minded opinion is that this article is a master piece founded on a christian knowledge and practice of bible principles. I also believe that the pastor needs to really clarify the issuers more so that ppl dont get misled. I howeva am restraining myself from raining curses on those who out of lack of the fear of the Almighty God have given themselves to worldly inclinations and reasoning. I am a deeply versed bible student even though not as highly spiritual as to stop my self from referring to them as spiritually empty and actually crazy. This is one of the signs of the end times. I heaven hope these guys export their godless beliefs to their children so as to reap the benefits later in life. Forgive them oh Almighty One and let the light of Your wisdom be availed to these bestial, foul, godless, impure, misled, sinful and hell-bound fiends.

I would like to see the youtube video about this article. This is 100 % false doctrine. S
The truth have left the church, what a pitty.

The first thing we should know is that SIN is just being disobedient to God's command not what the society approves/disapproves. The society frowns at smoking and alcoholism but what has the Holy Spirit said to you personally;has He said you should stop smoking?if you refuse this instruction then it's a sin. Howbeit, there's no mention in the scriptures of God saying alcohol is sin;if otherwise pls give me references.

i cant wait for the day r4pe will be excluded from the list of sins. Iwould love to master such 'habit'

Well, i didnt read the whole article. When next you guys are writing let it be summerize & straight to the point.

It is a shame that some people would rather listen to men of God rather than the bible. I'm sure you would agree with me that we will be judged by God's word and not what our so called men of God say.
Let us look at the following scriptures:Phil 4:8. Finally, brethren,whatsoever things are true,whatsoever things are honest,whatsoever things are just,whatsoever things are pure,whatsoever things are lovely,whatsoever things are of good report;if there be a virtue,if there be any praise,think on these things.I don't think masturbation/smoking/drunkenness fall into this category.
Job 31:1. I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a girl.
Eph 4:19. Having lost all sensitivity,they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity,with a continual lust for more.
What is SENSUALITY? It is of the senses and the body rather than the mind.it also mean having or showing fondness for bodily pleasures.
You surely fantasize about a woman whenever u masturbate. so u lust after her.
Gal 5:17. The flesh desires what is contrary to the spirit,and the spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other,so that you do not DO what you want.
Now what about our conscience?it is what God has put in us to make us to discern and it judges us every time we sin.1st John 3:19-21 And hereby we know that we are of the truth and shall assure our hearts before him(God).for if our heart condemn us,God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.Beloved,if our heart condemn us not,then we have confidence toward God.
You have every right christians to mark and identify false teachings from whomsoever.After all, Paul did call Peter to order when he was playing double standards.

Self service is not a sin for bachelors and spinters. Masturbation is a habit. Just like thumb sucking in children. Besides Jesus never said its a Sin. Adultery is for married men. That is, only married men comits adultery, a married man should not lust after another woman but his wife alone. Bachelors cant comit adultery, so lusting after ladies is a normal part of their nature. Jesus didnt say furnication. He called it adulerey. Therefore, masturbation is not a sin for bachelors.

I think cigerete is not a sin too. Its a sin against your own body, not God.

Is Sugar a sin because it hurts males sexual performance and causes diabetics? Nope. So cigarete may hurt ur health but it isnt a sin against God.

However, God is interested in your health. He wants you to live a normal and healthy life, so with the help of the Holy spirit to guide you, he wants you to quit masturbation, cigaretes etc.
Like he warned the children of Israel agaist eating pig because of its dirtiness and germs. Eating pig isnt a sin but God says dont eat it for your own good.

Who are my to Judge ??

handsomeness: Who are my to Judge ??

Who am I to judge?

topeantony: am in the library looking for the book of sin but i don't know the author to search for please help

pick bible

Oyakhilome has always been a demon chaser but on this 1 i know he is not so wrong cos all tins worketh for good unto those in god:any 1 who wants to blame chris should also blame d Almighty Creator who made alcohol derivable on earth but d truth is that we were created 2 manage a risky life;cooking is managing fire-walking is managing steps against gravity and friction like breathing prevents choke-sleeping is a risk taken 2 wake,none of these is different from smoking n drinking:sometimes a little of certain odd tins creates balance for our holy system:what if smoking n drinking has to be tried by this generation 2 convince d next generation that is actually not ok 4 man. Like god said'all tins are good indeed' n i know that tins are only bad when good has been misunderstood:if u think that a woman feeling heat is wrongly trying to seduce u by going half naked-u're are more wrong 4 not being able 2 control your lustful mind that is full of heat. LIFE IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL!IF SMOKING AND DRINKING IS A TRAP-GOD IS THE ONE WHO SET IT TO CATCH THOSE WHO HAVE LOST CONTROL...

Goshen360: I read comments like, "OP is judging a MoG with the threat of the wrath of God". The same God who appoint a MoG also inspired the bible and gave His word as a living prove to test every man of God. What are you talking about? When people speak the truth about false teachings and life style and teachings of a man of God is checked and tested by the undiluted word of the Living God, some people call it being judgmental.

What is judgmental about speaking the truth? Oh, so because he is a famous man of God means he cannot to be controlled or called to order or confronted? What the Opening Poster did is biblical, contending for the faith that was delivered to us and the saints, the truth of the word of God MUST be PRESERVED. This is one of the reasons Christians are called and this is what the article is all about. Listen to this:

Jude 1:3-4
Common English Bible (CEB)

3 Dear friends, I wanted very much to write to you concerning the salvation we share. Instead, I must write to urge you to fight for the faith delivered once and for all to God’s holy people. 4 Godless people have slipped in among you. They turn the grace of our God into unrestrained immorality and deny our only master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Judgment was passed against them a long time ago.

Jude 1:3-4
Contemporary English Version (CEV)

3 My dear friends, I really wanted to write you about God’s saving power at work in our lives. But instead, I must write and ask you to defend the faith that God has once for all given to his people. 4 Some godless people have sneaked in among us and are saying, “God treats us much better than we deserve, and so it is all right to be immoral.” They even deny that we must obey Jesus Christ as our only Master and Lord. But long ago the Scriptures warned that these godless people were doomed.

Jude 1:3-4
J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)

3-4 I fully intended, dear friends, to write to you about our common salvation, but I feel compelled to make my letter to you an earnest appeal to put up a real fight for the faith which has been once and for all committed to those who belong to Christ. For there are men who have surreptitiously entered the Church but who have for a long time been heading straight for the condemnation I shall plainly give them. They have no real reverence for God, and they abuse his grace as an opportunity for immorality. They will not recognise the only master, Jesus Christ our Lord.

princecemo: IM NOT SURPRISED AT ALL.... HE IS A CONFIRM MEMBER OF ILLUMINATIC SO WHAT DO U EXPECT. I ONLY FEEL FOR HIS FOLLOWERS. BULLSHIT.

GOD WILL JUDGE YOU.

illuminati? Are you fucking serious?? He's a confirm member? How do you know? Cause na witch Dey know witch. Have you gone for thier meetings before and seen him there? Pls don't come here to say anything you don't know when someone is gettin well known or successfull, you people just label them with something negative. May God help you. And @op its horrible of you to attack a man of God and back yourself up with scripture. How d hell did you develop your story from alcohol to pastor chris to antichrist? Were you the one that wrote d bible, who gives you the authority to construe it to fit your accusations. What do you know about d antichrist? Lemme ask you a question, you're accusing pastor chris of doing things that would usher in d above named anti christ, with or without pastor chris' statement (which you quoted out of context by the way) people would still smoke, drink, mess and masturba.te. There is absolutely no reason why his preachin would suddenly bring an end to d world. Please, watch your words, none of us know any thing for sure in this life. You don't know what is in pastor chris's mind. None of us know whether his intentions are honest or not, the bible you so quoted says- do not judge. So please, don't be hypocriticall.

princecemo: IM NOT SURPRISED AT ALL.... HE IS A CONFIRM MEMBER OF ILLUMINATIC SO WHAT DO U EXPECT. I ONLY FEEL FOR HIS FOLLOWERS. BULLSHIT.

GOD WILL JUDGE YOU.

how u take know ?

Am sure very soon dis same MOG will still come n tell us dat fornication is not a sin, provided u used condom. Atferall he may tell us dat d sperm wsn't exchanged. God is watching all of us.

Abasifo,

I generally do not get myself involved in this kind of talks but indulge me for a while. I did not go through everything you wrote, its not important. But I assume you are a believer so I will talk to you as such. We Christians get to the fore front of championing the castigation of people who call themselves or are called MOG as if we are doing God a favor. I am sure that "Touch not my prophet..." is already overused so I will not use it. Jesus told us to go into the world and PREACH the gospel of the Kingdom of God. What are you doing? When someone who doesn't call himself a christian talk the way you do, I am not chilled to my bones 'cos the bible said that the gospel we preach is foolishness to them that are perishing. But when a someone who calls himself one leaves the mandate HIS Master have given him to get involved with another thing, it is down right frightening and worrisome. If you know the Truth, PREACH IT. Leave the MOGs to their own thing. It is to their Master they either stand or fall and you are not their master. How involved and active are you in the spread of the Gospel? How many souls did you win this past week? How many people did you tell about the Gospel of the Kingdom of God? How many souls have you discipled this year? Because, if you do these thing, you do not need to warn them off certain MOGs, they will know the Truth when they hear it, and will keep away from lie peddlers. Let your voice be heard over the lies as you preach the truth. And what is the Truth? Or better still, WHO is the Truth? Jesus Christ. Personally, there are churches I will never go to, there are preachers I will never listen to, but where there is darkness, my aim is to so shine my light and swallow the darkness, not add more darkness to it. Consider a bucketful of dirty water. If you take it to a clean tap, open the tap and without turning out the water, allow the water from the tap into it, what will happen? In some minutes, the dirty water will be clean water ie the same water running from the tap. DO THE WORD. PREACH THE WORD. Let the MOGs do their own too.

Indulge me further let me tell you why I will not speak MOGs. After Gideon was instructed by the Angel, he went at night and destroyed the temple of Baal. The villagers wanted to kill him the next morning but his father told them something. Judges 6:31. There was a better way to fight for the god, same way there is an even better way to fight for God. The bible tells us how. Let your light so shine... Remember Moses, Miriam and Aaron. The day they challenged Moses' authority, Miriam was struck with leprosy. Aaron was spared only 'cos he was the priest (Number 12). They were probably justified in their behavior but it was not important to God. Read Numbers 16 too where certain people were swallowed up by the ground for opposing Moses, and these were LEVITIES too, the choosen priestal tribe. There were several of such. Lets talk about Saul. he was anointed as King, Spirit filled. When he disobeyed, the Spirit of God left him. David had several opportunities to kill him, justifiably, but he said, "I will not lift my hand against the Lord's anointed" 1 Samuel 24, 26. Wise man. Maybe some MOGs were sent by God but have derailed. Personally, I will not lift my hand, tongue etc against them. Safer not to talk about any MOG 'cos do I know who was or wasn't anointed. God himself defended/ preserved David's genealogy long after he died in spite of the terrible sins he did. How come people of that time did not speak out when he committed adultery and murder? Respect for the anointing. I am sure that is why God said specifically, "Touch not my anointed, (in any way) and do my prophet no harm". The people I gave as examples made mistakes at one point or the other. And yet, God will not tolerate smears on them. He said He is their Master. If they fall or stand, He will deal with them accordingly. Satan is cleverly keeping "Christians" busy with stories such as yours, while souls are perishing. Channel this passion to the spread of God's Gospel, let these young believers know and follow the practice of knowing the Word for themselves. Only then are they truly protected against false prophets. Pray for them that are being deceived, that they will come to the knowledge of the Word of God. Although whoever claims to be deceived will not be excused 'cos God has given us the Holy Spirit and the Bible. You have no excuse. My two mentors, Dr Myles Munroe and Dr Fred K. C. Price are awesome. But I will not take anything from them that is not in the Word of God. Never. And even if tomorrow I perceive that they have lost their way, I will continually pray for them. The MOGs that are generally watered down here do not even know you exist. They are busy ensuring that their voices heard worldwide. Do the same thing armed with the Truth. Let your own voice be heard. Talking down on them is not the answer. Let your Light so shine that men will see.

Self Service/Masturbation:

Spilling of your seed displeases the Lord our God; it is written thus:

Genesis 38:8-10
Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.

Secondly, it is a sin against your own body which you have pledge to allow for God's purpose and so long as you allow such sinful acts willingly upon yourself, you are not negligible to fornication and Adultery. They are all sins of the flesh and when you offend you inward man, how can you attain a place in your outward relationship with people and God. It does not help you physically, spiritually, mentally and healthily.

Smoking, Drinking and Prostituting:
We are filled with desires to avenge our anger on something and our frustration on anything that moves. Some will choose to listen to music and edify their body, others will smoke, some will get drunk and many will lay in the prostitute den. In all things, the purpose is always achieved but it is only temporary and that is why the desire to do them over and over again continues. They are truly habitual, they eventually become a party of who you are and finally decide who you become. Take it from me, this is coming from a life long smoker for many years, but i am not here about me, but that my brethren will not be misled by the message that this thread is passing to you.

Just as you have a choice to do whatever you want with yourself, the Lord allows you to allow him be the Lord of your life, then can he come in and take his place. He will not share a house with an act that does not reveal his constant work, so he always starts with the unnecessary habits if you accept him, and finally will he start renewing the mind into a likelihood of his son.

Ephesians 5:18
Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit.

It is written that we should not get drunk by the wrong think but rather get drunk in the spirit of God. Why smoke the wrong cigarette when you can smoke the holy ghost fire and get drunk in the spirit and get high above all things and bring the power of heaven on earth. God bless you all.

@raps this is a trrue talk, let ur light shine in darkness...
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[quote author=princecemo]IM NOT SURPRISED AT ALL.... HE IS A CONFIRM MEMBER OF ILLUMINATIC SO WHAT DO U EXPECT. I ONLY FEEL FOR HIS FOLLOWERS. BULLSHIT.

GOD WILL JUDGE:Aw do u knw dat.U beta be careful aw u refer to MOGs!

Ifnobegod:


pick bible

thanks but I can only see 10 direct commandment from GOD to man.
Thau shall not smoke
Thau shall not drink is not included so am wondering if there are other publishers I don't know of the bible made it clear that we should not add or subtract from it but that is not the case.now their are more than 100 sin writing by man to punish them self some people will go to hell because they deprive others there free will if you think you are a siner then you are if you think you are not fill free and leave the rest for GOD to george not man
My ways are not there's
GOD IS LOVE

Hmm, I think I'd had enough time with these modern day preachers. To my mother's church, Deeper Life I return.

hmmmmm, if a pastor can say this, wat will oder Pple out der say? End time is already here in our eyes an i tink we can c it clearly. If drinking is nt a sin, wat abt smoking? Wich som pple hide an do it, so oders will nt c dem? Soon these so call men of GOD will tell us sleeping wit another's man wife is nt a sin an wil lok For one english word an giv it as a name. GOD pls come to our rescue. Ikom crs

"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith"
Let me ask a question to you all. If Jesus was still ☺₪ earth, d̶̲̅σ you think he will masturbate, take alcohol or even smoke indian hemp?

“Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward. And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward.”

When a man of God is before you, do not look at his or her human errors cause as man they are not different from you but only the Spirit within you actually works with the truth that is prophessed out of their mouth and the errors are cast away, like a filtering agent. The Lord knows that we are fertile and every seed that is thrown upon our heart will surely grow, but we need to help our self but building a protective shield over our hearts by Shema shema(hear hear) the word of God.

Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

Now you have a role to play as a christian, we are not born again to be attuned with the religious mentality of the pharisees, who seek to know the errors of Christ,rather we are born again to get attuned with the message of God and if the spirit is within you, you will understand that the mesage in this thread is actually to reveal to you that you have a choice to do what you want to do and the Lord's mercy abound but wisdom will be revealed to you not to abuse the rights that you have in the spirit.

God bless you all. READ MORE ABOUT THE PROPHET ANOINTING