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Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by jayriginal: 7:20pm On Jul 05, 2012
Deep Sight:

Pefect. B[b]a[/b]ng on point.

I am not sure that either Plaetton, Jayriginal or persons such as thehomer or Idehn will ever grasp this exceedingly simple and SELF EVIDENT explanation.

I doubt you understand half of what you say or what you argue against. Your dogma blinds you.
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by DeepSight(m): 7:23pm On Jul 05, 2012
^^^^^^ Respond to the issues if you understand them: rather than waste your time responding to personalities who you do not, and will never, understand.

My statements were simple enough. I am not the one who barged in here chorusing supposed fear in theists on account of the discovery of a particle.

Now, in light if that, whose dogma blinds one? You or me?
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by vedaxcool(m): 7:36pm On Jul 05, 2012
Deep Sight:

HE IS.

. . . Oh! That explains it!
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by jayriginal: 7:38pm On Jul 05, 2012
^^
Barge? Where ?

I did a mimicry of your "gbam/gboga" and you dont like it or even recognize it but you'd like to claim innuendos were missed ?

You called my name in the previous post. You should have kept it out of your mouth.

As for your personality, its easy enough. Lets not even go there
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by DeepSight(m): 7:57pm On Jul 05, 2012
My guy, no need for drama; you supported Plaetton's notion that there was something to be afraid of, or nervous of, on the part of theists with respect to the possible discovery of the higgs boson. Can you kindly show how this is the case?
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by plaetton: 8:10pm On Jul 05, 2012
@deppsight:
I can make speculations about the universe because the universe is real,not only to me but to you as well. So am free to speculate,imagine and play around with theories about the universe.
God or the creator, on the other hand is a Notion, just a notion to explain what even you agree to be an unknown.

Its just laziness and a copout to simply delegate, with conviction, to an unknown (god)(and perhaps unknowable acording to thiests) as the primary cause of what is known.

No scientist, as far as i have known, has gone out to try to prove the non-existence of god.

I adress other issues later.
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by plaetton: 8:16pm On Jul 05, 2012
Scientists scoff at the idea of spiritual phenomena simply because there are no tools or parameters with which to objectively observe , measure and analyse such.

I still maintain that spirituality are simply higher physics ,which in time, we may see a convergence with material science.
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by jayriginal: 8:41pm On Jul 05, 2012
Deep Sight:
My guy, no need for drama; you supported Plaetton's notion that there was something to be afraid of, or nervous of, on the part of theists with respect to the possible discovery of the higgs boson. Can you kindly show how this is the case?

You are funny. If there is a drama, then you wrote the script when you ignored that I only took the first line (one that was addressed to you in particular)from Plaetton and did a "Deep Sight" with it. Something you missed while talking of missed innuendos.


If you claim not to be bothered by it, or find it boring, then thats that.

What do you want again ?

plaetton: Scientists scoff at the idea of spiritual phenomena simply because there are no tools or parameters with which to objectively observe , measure and analyse such.

Perfect. B[b]a[/b]ng on point.

I am not sure that Deep Sight will ever grasp this exceedingly simple and SELF EVIDENT explanation.
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by Kay17: 9:10pm On Jul 05, 2012
Deep Sight:

Can you thump your chest with certainty and say that there are no scientists who absolutely and adamantly reject even the remotest possibility of a spiritual cause of phenomena?

Is it not the case that the vast majority of western scientists would be adamantly opposed to even countenancing such a possibility in their investigations?

Has it not been our joint experience even here on NL, that even mentioning such a possibility will result in basket-loads of mockery from adamantly materialist "scientific" apologists?

Was it not you who once said, in a given thread, that the scenario whereby one closes one's mind to any possibility is close minded?

Is it not true that many "scientists" minds are absolutely closed to the possibility of a spiritual cause and angle to this existence?

Is it not also true that the totality of human existence, experience and consciousness, does not warrant such a posture to the possibility?


Are you sure that there are not well recorded cases of scientists who have embarrassingly done same?

Another issue with spirituality is, its carved out to be excluded and be immune from inquiry. What Spirituality means is still vague and imprecise.

Most theists, especially deep sight has made the assumption that complexity MUST be the handiwork of an INTELLIGENT sentient being, taking inspiration from man's creativity. I would say Nature was before us, and the first designer.
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by Nobody: 10:14pm On Jul 05, 2012
emöfine2: Boring? On the contrary I find this news quite exciting and intriguing.

How? Do you understand what the point of the Higgs Boson is? Most of you dont... the only reason you care about it is that you falsely believe it is another step towards solidifying your decision to throw God out of your equation.
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by Nobody: 10:22pm On Jul 05, 2012
Kay 17:

Another issue with spirituality is, its carved out to be excluded and be immune from inquiry. What Spirituality means is still vague and imprecise.

Most theists, especially deep sight has made the assumption that complexity MUST be the handiwork of an INTELLIGENT sentient being, taking inspiration from man's creativity. I would say Nature was before us, and the first designer.

This makes zero sense. How exactly does nature create random complexity?
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by Kay17: 10:30pm On Jul 05, 2012
Such complexity has been seen to exist in Nature and not being products of man.
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by Nobody: 10:53pm On Jul 05, 2012
Kay 17: Such complexity has been seen to exist in Nature and not being products of man.

examples?
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by emofine2(f): 11:12pm On Jul 05, 2012
davidylan:

How? Do you understand what the point of the Higgs Boson is? Most of you dont... the only reason you care about it is that you falsely believe it is another step towards solidifying your decision to throw God out of your equation.

I admit I do not understand this discovery in full detail but I am not an atheist and neither do I mark such discoveries as that in which automatically obviates the existence of “God”.
Not every comment made is a subtle reference about “God”.
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by Kay17: 11:42pm On Jul 05, 2012
davidylan:

examples?

Life, the structure of the Universe, snowflakes, water cycle.
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by mkmyers45(m): 5:31am On Jul 06, 2012
pictures: where did the energy come from?

Dude, read up big bang
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by mkmyers45(m): 5:32am On Jul 06, 2012
plaetton: Scientists scoff at the idea of spiritual phenomena simply because there are no tools or parameters with which to objectively observe , measure and analyse such.

I still maintain that spirituality are simply higher physics ,which in time, we may see a convergence with material science.

Good Point...
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by mkmyers45(m): 5:32am On Jul 06, 2012
davidylan:

How? Do you understand what the point of the Higgs Boson is? Most of you dont... the only reason you care about it is that you falsely believe it is another step towards solidifying your decision to throw God out of your equation.

Oya Prof explain make we hear
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by mkmyers45(m): 5:34am On Jul 06, 2012
Lets give CERN 3-4 years like the prof said...i believe they will follow understand it and it will the field of mass and particle physics
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by mkmyers45(m): 5:34am On Jul 06, 2012
emöfine2:

I admit I do not understand this discovery in full detail but I am not an atheist and neither do I mark such discoveries as that in which automatically obviates the existence of “God”.
Not every comment made is a subtle reference about “God”.

WORD!
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by Nobody: 6:17am On Jul 06, 2012
Kay 17:

Life, the structure of the Universe, snowflakes, water cycle.

and all these appeared by random chance? shocked It takes far more faith to believe this than it takes to believe Jonah stayed alive in the belly of a fish for 3 days.
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by Enigma(m): 6:24am On Jul 06, 2012
mkmyers45: Lets give CERN 3-4 years like the prof said...i believe they will follow understand it and it will the field of mass and particle physics

Are you saying CERN is the genuine particle?

cool
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by mkmyers45(m): 6:32am On Jul 06, 2012
Enigma:

Are you saying CERN is the genuine particle?

cool

The need time to study and better understand the found particle and how it adds mass to other things and hereby crediting the big bang theory but the studies result may be diffrent from this and open our eyes to new things but fully understanding and possible harness of this 'Particle' will be a 21st century breakthrough...
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by Enigma(m): 6:34am On Jul 06, 2012
^^^ I get you; I hope you get me, some time. smiley

cool
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by mkmyers45(m): 6:42am On Jul 06, 2012
Enigma: ^^^ I get you; I hope you get me, some time. smiley

cool

Well most if not all religions have thier cards all on the table while science still tries to fish out stuff to drop on the table....
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by emofine2(f): 8:03am On Jul 06, 2012
mkmyers45...long time...how you been? smiley
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by mkmyers45(m): 8:04am On Jul 06, 2012
emöfine2: mkmyers45...long time...how you been? smiley
ive been gud..how r u? Wats gud?
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by Kay17: 8:13am On Jul 06, 2012
davidylan:

and all these appeared by random chance? shocked It takes far more faith to believe this than it takes to believe Jonah stayed alive in the belly of a fish for 3 days.

Would you say the water cycle works by chance?? Or gravity? No! Physical laws operating.
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by emofine2(f): 8:25am On Jul 06, 2012
mkmyers45: ive been gud..how r u? Wats gud?

Good to hear...I'm doing good myself also.
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by mkmyers45(m): 8:29am On Jul 06, 2012
emöfine2:

Good to hear...I'm doing good myself also.
Didnt know you were a fan of the particle..
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 9:45am On Jul 06, 2012
researchers announced they had identified a particle that shows the characteristics of this Higgs boson.


I think the issue is not whether it is boring or interesting, but that it is progress in a field much in the realms of the unknown. all the articles I have read speak more on the side of "Strong Possibilities" rather than Provable FACTS . For those whose interests are not piqued in any fascinating way as the Physicists who made the "un-covery" - it won't cure cancer or cause the world to grow new brain-cells, Higgs boson is not a "God particle", it is only part of the universe in which we live. This "un-covery" allows for learning more about it and perhaps it would be like the discovery of electricity, nothing much was thought about it until 50 years on. It is worth celebrating.
Re: Boring Boring Higgs Boson by DeepSight(m): 10:11am On Jul 06, 2012
plaetton: @deppsight:
I can make speculations about the universe because the universe is real,not only to me but to you as well. So am free to speculate,imagine and play around with theories about the universe.

The universe is indeed real, but another fact that is as real as the universe is the real fact that the universe did not always exist. It is demonstrably expanding and as such commenced from a point.

You will really have to deal realistically with the real fact that it is real voodoo to really imagine that it really began to expand without external impetus. Just why would it do that? And why not before? Why was it even there as a singularity to start with? Where does a singularity come from?

Once you really address these questions you will really see that the supposition of external impetus is really real.

No scientist, as far as i have known, has gone out to try to prove the non-existence of god.

Really? And Richard Dawkins is a what?

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