lagerwhenindoubt:

I think the issue is not whether it is boring or interesting, but that it is progress in a field much in the realms of the unknown. all the articles I have read speak more on the side of "Strong Possibilities" rather than Provable FACTS . For those whose interests are not piqued in any fascinating way as the Physicists who made the "un-covery" - it won't cure cancer or cause the world to grow new brain-cells, Higgs boson is not a "God particle", it is only part of the universe in which we live. This "un-covery" allows for learning more about it and perhaps it would be like the discovery of electricity, nothing much was thought about it until 50 years on. It is worth celebrating.

davidylan:

How? Do you understand what the point of the Higgs Boson is? Most of you dont... the only reason you care about it is that you falsely believe it is another step towards solidifying your decision to throw God out of your equation.

MyJoe:
I wouldn't say this at all. There is nothing to scare theists about this Higgs Boson thing. Nothing.

mkmyers45:

Well most if not all religions have thier cards all on the table while science still tries to fish out stuff to drop on the table....

Enigma:

I feel guilty and that I should provide some assistance. Think 'wordplay' and replace "genuine [b]p[/b]article" in my original post with "real mccoy" and hopefully you will get me then.

Enigma:

I feel guilty and that I should provide some assistance. Think 'wordplay' and replace "genuine [b]p[/b]article" in my original post with "real mccoy" and hopefully you will get me then.

Deep Sight:

The universe is indeed real, but another fact that is as real as the universe is the real fact that the universe did not always exist. It is demonstrably expanding and as such commenced from a point.

You will really have to deal realistically with the real fact that it is real voodoo to really imagine that it really began to expand without external impetus. Just why would it do that? And why not before? Why was it even there as a singularity to start with? Where does a singularity come from?

Once you really address these questions you will really see that the supposition of external impetus is really real.



Really? And Richard Dawkins is a what?

Kay 17:

Would you say the water cycle works by chance?? Or gravity? No! Physical laws operating.

plaetton:

@Deepsight:
These wise words quoted above from mkmyers45 sums it all up. i could not have said it better myself.

1. Dawkins is an individual who , through his writings, not scientific research, aims to persuade (NOT PROVE) his readers, through the use of common sense(not scientific research), that god does not exists. He does not speak for, nor are his views endorsed by the scientific community.

2.Any new discovery relating to the origin of the universe that may alter previously held notions or theories will always [/b]have a bearing on theistic/athiestic discourse.

3. The internal dynamics of the universe could very be what is behind the expansion. yes indeed. Just look at the universe. Everything is in motion. The universe contains an infinite number of counter rotating bodies , exerting countless numbers of both known and unkown forces at one another. Have you heard of Torsion Fields? torsion fields are said to be produced when two or more bodies are in counter rotation. Torsion fields are said to be able to affect gravity, light and [b]possibly time. . Infact, if we are ever going to create time machines, it would have be with tuse of torsion field generators.

Suppose the universe is not really expanding in the real sense of word, but just jumping in and out of time due to the effects of enormous torsion field effects?Just a crazy notion.
My own summary is quite simple.
A vacuum is energy in a state of equilibrium. By a yet to be known reason,the equilibrium was disrupted within the singularity (energy in a vacuum) and a process of transition began.
Therefore, the big b.ang was not the begining of the process but just an inflection point in the process of transition from pure energy to physical matter.

Now, having had its equilibrium altered, the system, like all systems, wishes to re-esalished its equilibrium. therefore the internal dynamics of the resulting physical universe must always be in motions and counter motions with the ultimate purpose of vioding itself and regaining its equilibrium.
So there need not be an external impetus for the expansion of the universe.
It is expanding by its on internal dynamics.

davidylan:

and those physical laws just appeared by useless random chance?

Kay 17:

No, they didn't appear, they are an embodiment of existence.

davidylan:
You're even more confused. How did they start to exist? By magic?

Martian:

................let there be light.................and there was light.
The magic of the jewish superman called yahweh..

truthislight: @plaetton
so, what was the equilibrium that it is trying to attain,?

truthislight: @plaetton

U think that the speed off of the external garlexies is for it to attain equilibrium
Hmmmm!

davidylan:
I believe it by faith. However the irony is that it takes far more faith to believe that the laws of physics just appeared out of thin air by random chance...

the joke is on you bro.

Martian:

You are also a product of random chance and you just "believe it by faith" that you're a special child of the jewish phantom. So, "believe it by faith" that the magical tale is true and that you're the special creation of yahweh. It's a free world. lol

davidylan:
I already believe this by faith. That has never been in question so you're stating a non-issue.
However you on the other hand revel in being "logical" without realising that most of your own claims are themselves rooted in pure blind faith.

Martian:

How is basing my views on the natural world "blind faith"? Have I made any claim that contradicts nature.
You want to disparage logic in favor of faith but I'm sure you do live your life by logic until your religion comes up and logic is abjured. What claim of mine is rooted in blind faith?

davidylan:
Stop decieving yourself... your claims are just as illogical as you think religion is. You claim to base your views on the "natural world"... well how did that "natural world" appear? By magic? The laws of gravity developed how? By random chance? How did the earth form? By flinging two higgs bosons at each other? How did unicellular organisms evolve to complex multicellular plants, humans and animals? by random statistical chance? And you ask why your i think your claims are rooted in blind faith?

Martian:

lol, talk about an avalanche of strawmen.

Again, which one of MY views are rooted in your kind of "blind faith"? All that crap you wrote are just stuff you made up while pounding on your keyboard........flinging two bosons at each other is funny though.

davidylan:
Daft. How did the earth appear outside of intelligent design? Help us oh great one...

frosbel: Came in to see what's going on , noticed Martin is still living in a lala world of evolutionary delusions,

outta here !

Martian:

Daft? Use another insult for the sake of your f#cking christ dude!!!! lol

I don't know how the earth came to be and I won't make up stories. But I am aware of models about planetary accretion which I find plausible and we are all aware of "creation" myths.
I also won't expound on those models because I'm not an expert in that field and they are just models. i don't place any of the myths on a pedestal, so i discard all of them as cultural stories.

I don't agree with your "intelligent design" because it's just an extension of the jewish creation myth.

Martian: Lmao
Did I say that that is ho it happened
I said I find it plausible.
I understand the models but I ont promote them as if they are facts.
Plausible.

musKeeto: When did REASON and LOGIC and THE NATURAL WORLD ever become blind faith?

musKeeto: Wouldn't it be right to call BELIEF in stories/myths/theories that try to explain CREATION outside the REALMS of LOGIC blind faith?

Please let's not start defining FAITH and REASON...

davidylan:

Wouldnt it be right to call BELIEF in theories/models/conjectures that fail miserably at explaining creation outside the realms of logic blind faith?