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Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 1:57pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
Maynman: We're talking about someone who never has dreamt. How do you prove to him that dreams exist? |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by Maynman: 1:59pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
HisSplendor: I’ll tell him what causes dream, and also that dream doesn’t “exist”. For an effect to occur there must be a cause! We have people that “has never” had hiv, but they know what hiv means and how it works, what causes it and effect. This is basic for a kindergarten. 1 Like
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Re: The Folly In Atheism by triplechoice(m): 2:13pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
HisSplendor:You're the one who's not getting it. What's is it everyone can experience here if they search for it? You said it can only be experienced after death hence your advice we buy "a red cap" incase. Why changing the goal post? I believe you can now see why I said you don't understand your op. If people can experience it here according to you, then we don't need to buy any "red cap" since we can prove the existence of such a place before we go there. 1 Like |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 2:22pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
triplechoice: Before I continue with you, first point to me where I said it can only be experienced after death. This shows you don't understand anything we've been discussing. |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 2:23pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
Maynman: Just listen to yourself man. |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by Maynman: 2:49pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
HisSplendor: Listen to your advice sir, personal experience is not “proof”, a dictionary will tell you that.
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Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 3:58pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
Maynman: When did I tell you that personal experience is proof? However, your personal experiences can stand as proof for your own self. Not necessarily for others. Hence, others must find their own proofs. |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by Maynman: 4:03pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
HisSplendor: If personal experience can stand as proof for your own self why were you asking him to show proof of his assertions? We have hundreds of religion, thousands of gods and each of their followers claim their experience as “proof”. I don’t think “proof” works like that. 1 Like
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Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 4:22pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
Maynman: He never said his assertions were based on personal experience. From your second paragraph, I understand that you know or believe that the adherents of these thousands of religions have personal experiences. At least that tells you that there's more to life than what the natural realm or mere human logic can offer. You're not far from discovering the truth. |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by triplechoice(m): 4:28pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
HisSplendor: You have come again. Must you mention it clearly. People can make correct deductions from what you have written. Your explanation makes us understand it can only happen after death hence the reason you adviced buying "a red. cap" incase.. If there's certainty due to having experienced it personally yourself, you would not speculate for everyone as to what might happen when they experience later. There's no evidence whatsoever from anything you have been explaining that you have had any such experience before now. Everything you have explained is from the position of a believer of something that you think is true. You have not had that experience you want your followers to accept. . Even if you have had it, explain how you were able to validate the experience to be true. For the umpteenth time, you don't understand your own op. 1 Like |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by Maynman: 4:29pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
HisSplendor: “I don’t know or believe that the adherents of these thousands of religions have personal experiences.” That’s what they claim, it’s all a CLAIM that they can’t prove to others. That was also what zeus worshippers thought and they also claimed they had experience, till we found out it was all mythology. You’re not far from discovering the truth about your religion either. 1 Like
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Re: The Folly In Atheism by triplechoice(m): 4:43pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
HisSplendor: But at the beginning you used your own personal experience, which is not objectively proven, to judge others as unwise. Focus on yourself and let others experience what they may experience or not experience.. You're not even sure of yours to start with. 1 Like |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by triplechoice(m): 4:44pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
Maynman: He's really not far from discovering the truth of his religion. 2 Likes |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 6:12pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
triplechoice: I didn't use my personal experience in anyway to judge anyone. Or did the story I shared talk about my personal experience? I just used the story to illustrate the need for everyone to look before leaping. |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 6:17pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
Maynman: We'll, as far as I'm concerned, I'm not someone who deceives himself. I don't have anything to do with religion if it has nothing to offer. The reason why I worship God is that I have vivid experiences. I would be a fool to be deceiving myself. |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by Maynman: 6:19pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
HisSplendor: But you know “god” through religion. Probably from abrahamaic religion Odin worshippers also claim they had “vivid experiences”. 1 Like
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Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 6:20pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
triplechoice: Even if I didn't say it directly, kindly provide evidences of the indirect statement. I personally have a before-death experience. So, how would I now say "it can only be experienced after death.' Again, you don't seem to have a good grasp of this discourse. |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 6:22pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
Maynman: Everyone has a claim. My claims are personal to me. And as I said, I cannot deceive myself. |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by Maynman: 6:24pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
HisSplendor: Still a claim like odin worshippers claimed. 1 Like
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Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 6:29pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
Maynman: A claim is a claim. |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by Maynman: 6:34pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
HisSplendor: Exactly.
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Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 6:36pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
Maynman: If the claimant is now deceiving himself, he's the fool. |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by Maynman: 6:42pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
HisSplendor: We’ll never know. 1 Like
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Re: The Folly In Atheism by triplechoice(m): 7:56pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
HisSplendor: Are you now running away from the story you shared and what you made of it. The 100 men where embarking on a journey to a place they have never been to before, and were advised to buy "a red cap" due a rumored king on the way What does this tell you ? Do they have any previous experience of the far distant land there were journeying to? Yes or no The correct answer to that is going reveal between me and you who has a thorough grasp of the discourse I wait. 1 Like |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 8:07pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
triplechoice: You can't experience a journey before taking the journey. Death is a journey. We're not talking about death right now. We're talking about spiritual experiences of which death is just a part. You can have spiritual experiences before dieing but you can't die before you die. Hope you understand? |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 8:09pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
Maynman: At least the claimant knows his own truth. |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by Maynman: 8:11pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
HisSplendor: Truth is not subjective. And he got are claims that he can’t prove to be TRUE.
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Re: The Folly In Atheism by triplechoice(m): 8:48pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
HisSplendor:Only when you're going there for the first time. Please answer the question I asked. Don't avoid it with this. The men, have they been there before ? Yes or no You're really confused. The op discussed what we may expect after death, and since nobody knows, buy " a red cap" . Is that not so? Focus on the op please.
My friend just rest. You don't know what you're talking about. Everything you replied has nothing to do with the op. And just look at the confusion you typed. "You can have spiritual experiences before before dieing" what kind of spiritual experiences? Why can't you specify it and let's see if it relates with the op. And who has said people can die before they die? Why did you not make all of these submission after narrating the story to see if it would fit. You're desperately trying to bring in what is extraneous to the op because you have simply lost it. Does Christianity teaches that people can experience heaven or see God before they go there? You're delving into esoterism and no longer discussing Christianity. 2 Likes |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by americanigga(m): 11:41pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
HisSplendor: Can you tell us the group that was eventually beheaded? I guess you can't. That is to say the dilemma continues. The dilemma of who is right between atheist and theist continues 2 Likes |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 11:59pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
americanigga: Everyone believes his right but there are 'What ifs' that could make a serious human being wiser. |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 12:03am On Nov 20, 2022 |
triplechoice: Man, from what you type up there, i can see that there are many things you don't understand. While you're talking about the OP, you do not seem to understand that we started from the OP and have progressed. You're trying to draw the discussion back again to where we started from. Please, read up again before replying. |
Re: The Folly In Atheism by HisSplendor: 12:07am On Nov 20, 2022 |
triplechoice: I think the problem here is that you're unable to draw a parralell between the story and the argument. As I've said before, the journey they took symbolizes death. That's as far as the story goes. Are we limited to just the story even when reality offers more incidences? |
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