Lance00009:
To my own understanding they are same
Jesus represent God here on earth

TruthHurts100:
When you hear the truth, may the devil not close your ears to it.

Many people today believe that God and Jesus are the same. Well, that's not true.

God does not have a beginning, Jesus has. Col 15:1 Refers to Jesus as the first born of all creation. He was created directly by God and that is why he's referred to as the only begotten son of God....

Lance00009:
To my own understanding they are same
Jesus represent God here on earth

Kobojunkie:
Yes, Jesus Christ is God, and no, this is not some endorsement of the trinity doctrine which is of men, lies, and not of God, who instead warned His followers not to submit themselves to the doctrines and traditions of men(including their churches) using His name.

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As is written in Scripture, Jesus Christ is God, and God(the Father) is God, but God(the Father) is not Jesus Christ. This, a logical case of A is B but B is not A. And this is what is clearly explained in all of scripture to all those who will KNOW the Truth of God from the lies of men.

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In Scripture, beginning in the Old Testament, we learn the following of God :
▪︎ God is God of Wrath
▪︎ God is God of Laws
▪︎ God is Good/Righteous
▪︎ God is Faithful
▪︎ God is Love
▪︎ God is True (Word)
▪︎ God is Life
▪︎ All Wisdom, Knowledge, and Understanding are of God
.....
And of Jesus Christ, we are informed by Him, particularly in John 14 vs 6, that He is
▪︎ God's Truth (Word)
▪︎ God's Life
▪︎ God's Law (one of many) aka The Way


So as indicated, Jesus Christ is born from some of the very same essences that is God(Father) - they are both in synch as far as that which they share. And this explains much of what Jesus Christ said of His relationship to the Father
■ The Father is greater than He, Jesus Christ,
■ He, Jesus Christ, is in the Father, and the Father is in Him(Jesus Christ),
■ All that Jesus Christ gives to you, His follower, is that which the Father gives Him,
■ He, Jesus Christ does only that which His Father bids Him do,
■ He, Jesus Christ cannot do anything apart from the Father,
■ He, Jesus Christ said," “My Father never stops working, and so I work too.”
■ He, Jesus Christ also said, “I assure you that the Son can do nothing alone. He does only what he sees his Father doing. The Son does the same things that the Father does. The Father loves the Son and shows him everything he does."
....etc.

So, Jesus Christ is God. However, since Jesus Christ doesn't possess all of the essences of God inside of Him, God isn't Jesus Christ.

Lance00009:
To my own understanding they are same
Jesus represent God here on earth

AntiChristian:

How? Jesus is son of God!

TruthHurts100:
..If you still want to believe in the trinity lies that was never mentioned in the Bible. You are on your own.

God will not share his glory with anyone, not even Jesus that he created.

I know another scripture you might want to quote.... Bring it on.

Dtruthspeaker:


Did you not hear or see the word "begotten"?

Proof you are blind and deaf!

kkins25:
■Just wanted to say this was a great read. You've also made presentation easy to grasp. From a philosophical perspective, this does makes sense, down to each letter. Although, you've only mentioned one dark side of God, wrath.
It also seems to me that the attributes of God you've mentioned here goes no inche beyond what the human mind could comprehend. All you've mentioned here can be found in other religions who have no connection whatsoever with religions from Mesopotamia which i believe birthed all Abrahamic religions. Therefore, as you've professed by the limits you've put on God, also considering that all things are made through him(col 1:6), other attributes from the dark side can equally be assigned to God. Death, Ignorance, hate, evil, unfaithful, and so on should be complete the nature of God. Abrahamic religion would continue to be a puppet show until every aspect of its philosophies are revised. After all, I recall that infamous verse feom the book of Isaiah that says "I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things.” (Isaiah 45:7) From a metaphysical point of view which is the reality of the concept of God anyway, Every ideological perception of God's essence, including the material essence, constitutes the totality of all attributes the human mind can comprehend and thise it cannot.

■In case you should rebute with something in the likes of "That's all thats important to you" or "you abide by what is written in the bible,"
Then i should ask you:

1) Do you deem your self the genesis and Armageddon of knowledge?
2) given the shaky history of the origins of Christianity, Do you guarantee that your understanding of the word reflects the intentions of Jesus?
3) If your understanding of the bible comes from the bible, does that mean your understanding of God is limited to the understanding of your religious ancestors who wrote based on their own limited understanding of God?
■ Jesus proclaimed that his disciples would do greater deeds, but it seems to me that all not even the disciplines during their life time did anything beyond what their master did? For Jesus, God, to proclaim that mere humans can do greater than he implies, to me, that his work can be improved upon. From all you've said, and the little I've read on the subject matter, I am yet to see any improvements.

Kobojunkie:
I always seem to have a hard time processing where you are headed with any of what you say on these things and what exactly your point is. How come? why not just stick to the topic abeg?

1. So, what if I have mentioned can be found in other religions, does it somehow change the fact that it is all also found in scripture or something?

2. I wasn't trying to attempt here to give an exhaustive list of the attributes of God as indicated in scripture evidenced by the ellipticals, so?

3. What does it matter what I think or feel about any of this since the focus is on that which is instead documented in scripture?

4. So? Did Jesus Christ state that you will be the judge as far as the works His disciples are to do or something?

kkins25:
■Easy, you so called chosen doctrine isn't special and in no way better than even the daddy G.Os you often criticize.
■By the definition of God according to all religions, you can't exhaust it. Good luck trying though! Unless you have your own definition of God.
■You are here throwing verses up nd down, I don't care about the scripture but the person who claims to understand it better. Not that i myself understand it better, however, how do i test the spirit? Since, you preach your gospel to those on this forum then I too can put it to the test.
■ What are you saying, is it not based on the works of the disciples that your whole understand of God comes from? If they failed at passing down the right message then I'm afraid to say, las las, you and daddy G.O would be standing next to each other in hades.
■Do you then agree that God can equally be the devil?

TruthHurts100:
When you hear the truth, may the devil not close your ears to it.

Many people today believe that God and Jesus are the same. Well, that's not true.

God does not have a beginning, Jesus has. Col 15:1 Refers to Jesus as the first born of all creation. He was created directly by God and that is why he's referred to as the only begotten son of God.

Jesus on numerous occasions calls God his father and that he's here to do the will of the one who sent him. He asked God for permission in prayers to do certain things.
When he was about to die, he called to his fathers again.

So, does it make sense to say Jesus sent himself, took permission from himself, pray to himself and most of all sacrifice himself to himself for our sakes?

Yes! Before you tell me Jesus said he and his father are one as written at John 10:30.
Note the meaning of what he meant as he used the same term when praying for his Apostles at John 17:11

11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Was Jesus talking about equality here? He said they should be one just like he and the father are one.


I rest my case.

If you still want to believe in the trinity lies that was never mentioned in the Bible. You are on your own.

God will not share his glory with anyone, not even Jesus that he created.

I know another scripture you might want to quote.... Bring it on.

Kobojunkie:
5.

kkins25:
If God created evil and Good, doesn't that suggest He is as "above as he is below"?

Kobojunkie:
In scripture, what we learn is that not only did God create all things — evil included — he also created the character Satan, and so Satan works for God. I am not sure if that helps answer your question.

kkins25:
■This is my bone if contention with you actually. You claim religion is false but adhere strictly to a religious book formed by the very same corrupt men you demonize.
■Seems justaposed to me.. Since your belief system is defined by the book, aren't you then religious?

Ken4Christ:


Jehovah's witness doctrine. Agents of darkness. Continue your evil works.

Ken4Christ:


Jehovah's witness doctrine. Agents of darkness. Continue your evil works.

Kobojunkie:
In scripture, what we learn is that not only did God create all things — evil included — he also created the character Satan, and so Satan works for God. I am not sure if that helps answer your question.

Lance00009:
To my own understanding they are same
Jesus represent God here on earth

TruthHurts100:
■No. All what God created was very good. But he didn't create robots. He gave all his creations freedom to do whatever they please. Some angels decided to do evil. Adam, Eve, Cain also decided on their own to do bad.

■ So God didn't create Satan. He created an angel that decided to become Satan. Satan means opposer or resister.

Kobojunkie:
Yes, Jesus Christ is God, and no, this is not some endorsement of the trinity doctrine which is of men, lies, and not of God, who instead warned His followers not to submit themselves to the doctrines and traditions of men(including their churches) using His name.

---

As is written in Scripture, Jesus Christ is God, and God(the Father) is God, but God(the Father) is not Jesus Christ. This, a logical case of A is B but B is not A. And this is what is clearly explained in all of scripture to all those who will KNOW the Truth of God from the lies of men.

---

In Scripture, beginning in the Old Testament, we learn the following of God :
▪︎ God is God of Wrath
▪︎ God is God of Laws
▪︎ God is Good/Righteous
▪︎ God is Faithful
▪︎ God is Love
▪︎ God is True (Word)
▪︎ God is Life
▪︎ All Wisdom, Knowledge, and Understanding are of God
.....
And of Jesus Christ, we are informed by Him, particularly in John 14 vs 6, that He is
▪︎ God's Truth (Word)
▪︎ God's Life
▪︎ God's Law (one of many) aka The Way


So as indicated, Jesus Christ is born from some of the very same essences that is God(Father) - they are both in synch as far as that which they share. And this explains much of what Jesus Christ said of His relationship to the Father
■ The Father is greater than He, Jesus Christ,
■ He, Jesus Christ, is in the Father, and the Father is in Him(Jesus Christ),
■ All that Jesus Christ gives to you, His follower, is that which the Father gives Him,
■ He, Jesus Christ does only that which His Father bids Him do,
■ He, Jesus Christ cannot do anything apart from the Father,
■ He, Jesus Christ said," “My Father never stops working, and so I work too.”
■ He, Jesus Christ also said, “I assure you that the Son can do nothing alone. He does only what he sees his Father doing. The Son does the same things that the Father does. The Father loves the Son and shows him everything he does."
....etc.

So, Jesus Christ is God. However, since Jesus Christ doesn't possess all of the essences of God inside of Him, God isn't Jesus Christ.

TruthHurts100:
Eeyahhh. The word of God is not difficult. Why are you doing this to yourself? Who created God? Who created Jesus? Anzaaaaa.

Kobojunkie:
So the deity you believe in was himself created??

TruthHurts100:
Which deity?

Kobojunkie:
Well, had asked, "who created God?", and so I am trying to ascertain if your deity of choice is one that was instead created.

TruthHurts100:
OK.

All I know is that "In the beginning, God created the heaven and earth."

If you have any factual information about what happened before the beginning, please share with me.
Thanks

Kobojunkie:
So, your creator never explained anywhere to know that he has no beginning and no end to Him suggesting He was not Himself created?