Steep:
The answer to your question is that Jesus, the Father and the holy Spirit has different roles.
The father is the authority of God, he ordains and determines what and what will happen

The word exercises the father's authority and fulfills the father's plan

The holy Spirit brings empowerment


The creation for example was design, planned and ordained by the father but came to being through the agency of the Son speaking them into existence and the holy Spirit enables them to be.

Salvation was the father's design and plan but was fulfilled by the Son and enabled by the Spirit.

The authority of the Son to act and reign as the Christ was derived from the Father, and the Sons kingdom was established to save mankind but would at the end be subject to the Father.

Venerable612:


I pray you find understanding and purpose 🙏.

Shallom ✌️

Michael548:

If he is less than the father in authority that simply means that he is not the almighty God and cannot be equal to God

Michael548:

So between the Son and the father, who has more authority?

Steep:
you have being decieved by demons.

Steep:


Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:


Jesus was made a little lower than the angels

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

The only reason Jesus is lower in authority than the father is in his humanity.

TradingGod:

The only demon here is the demon that is trying to blind your eyes to the greatest truth of God's Word

illuminate your mind

The same Power God has, He has Given to we His Beloved Children


If we are the children of God, that makes us have the Divine nature that make God to be God Almighty

If God can split the red sea, so can we
If Jesus can turn water to wine, so can we
If Jesus can heal the sick, so can we
If Jesus can raise the dead, so can we
If Jesus can Create the world we live in, so can we create the world we want to live in
If Jesus uses His Divine Words to cause changes, so can we use our words to cause changes

Why? Because we have the same Divine Nature that makes Jesus Christ God

TradingGod:


John 14:12 I am telling you the truth: those who believe in me will do what I do—yes, they will do even greater things, because I am going to the Father.

St. John 20:17 Jesus told her, "Don't hold on to me. I have not yet gone to the Father. But go to my brothers and sisters and tell them, 'I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

The Father that Lord Jesus Christ is referring to in the scriptures above is talking about the Holy Spirit because Lord Jesus is God the Father in Flesh while man is God the son in flesh

Crosby24:

Yes he served the father and that's xtics of greater in the context of the bible, (but humble him self) humility make him exalt the father even though the are equal

Steep:


Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:


Jesus was made a little lower than the angels

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

The only reason Jesus is lower in authority than the father is in his humanity.

Janosky:




This is the DECEIT in the Trinity doctrine.

Oga, ALLOW the holy scriptures to teach you.....
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”[e] (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) 28 Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

Do you have more authority than your God?

Why do you persist with the Fallacy that Jesus has equal authority with his God and Father?

Revelation 3:12,14,21 & 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 knocks out the Trinitarians fraud of equal authority.

Is there equal authority of God & Jesus in the spiritual realm?

Your own Bible, Revelation 3:12,21, Jesus says none,He worships his God and Father (meaning Senior) in the spiritual realm..
Also,@ 1 Corinthians 15:27-28, Paul the apostle agreed with Revelation 3:12,14,21.

Michael548:

Are you saying that the term Trinity does not teach that Jesus is equal to God?
A simple research on trinity can answer that question.

Steep:
Do you believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus?

Docjay487:


My answer to Topic: YES.
THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN REPEATEDLY DISCUSSED OVER MANY YEARS

Do you personally believe Jesus is Archangel Michael?
Do you believe the Holy Spirit is just a force or God's "essence"?
IF NO:
I recommend this presentation here:
https:///Apostlearome/1915
Believe or study to refute it; your eyes will have a wider field of view than Encyclopædia Britannica affords you
I hope you have a functional relationship with the [i]person [/i]of the Holy Spirit. Else all these arguments will ride smoothly on our pride and produce quality 2Tim3:7 damned beasts.
May we come to true salvation and the knowledge of the Truth

IF YES:
Mtsseewwww obey posting/forum Rule 14.
I hope you meet a calm mature "trinitrant" in person; not one that imported the belief from denomination or parents, but a practising one that 'claims' to have a functional relationship with the 'person' of the Holy Spirit with 'proof' AND is willing to study with you.

Oga, Let the evidence burst your bubble.

Christendom believed firmly that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael before the year 1611, the advent of king James Bible published by British occultists (king James et Al) & massive persecution of believers.


Read Geneva Bible,1599 @ Daniel 10:13 , Daniel 12:1 , (Genesis 16:7 & Malachi 3:1 , Amplified Bible) as well as the screenshots.

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phemmyfour:
It never did

It attributes same prowess to Jesus like the Father.

Equality was the wrong word you chose

I and my Father are one is different from "I am equal to my father"

I and my Father are one means:
We are in sync
We do not contradict ourselves
I can stand in the gap for the father

Janosky:


To start with,Oga which sea you done divide ?
When did you turn water into wine?




Man made GIBBERISH [/b]

Michael548:

Explain 1 Corinthians 15:28

Michael548:

How does that relate

TradingGod:



Mehn You are ignorant and very foolish

So are you saying that this verse is wrong?

John 14:12 I am telling you the truth: those who believe in me will do what I do—yes, they will do even greater things, because I am going to the Father.

Steep:

Read from 21.


1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Also read Hebrews 2, and psalm 8.

These chapters are speaking of the Adamic dominion and glory.

The first Adam was given power and dominion and glory but he failed and brought death, then God made another Adam, Jesus to restore all that Adam lost. Christ must reign in his humanity until all things are put under his adamic authority and power, after this christ in this adamic dominion, authority glory and power be subject to the Father, and the adamic kingdom handed over to the father.

Scriptures must agree and explain scripture.

Haines:

In the beginning was the God, and the God was with God, and the God was God. Is that correct? Of course no
Oga you can't choose what verses you want to be correct and the ones you want to be wrong.

And the same John claim Jesus is son of God in John 3 16. How can someone be the father and son at the same time?
No one said Jesus is not the son of God. It only makes sense that the son of a Lion is a Lion.
Hence he is God as claimed in many verses in both the old and new testament. And he is the Jehovah of the old testament.
I never said Jesus Christ does not have a father still none of these verses state that he isn't God

Michael548:

Is is not clear from verse 28 that the son is subjected to someone?
How come he is equal to the one he is subjected to?
Please you guys should do more research on Trinity to save further arguments.

Steep:

You do not know what Trinity is.
Many people have explained it to you yet you remain adamant.
The Trinity describes the being of God.
Jesus is equally God with the Father and the Holy Spirit but humanly, Jesus is less than the father.

Steep:

Read from 21.


1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Also read Hebrews 2, and psalm 8.

These chapters are speaking of the Adamic dominion and glory.

The first Adam was given power and dominion and glory but he failed and brought death, then God made another Adam, Jesus to restore all that Adam lost. Christ must reign in his humanity until all things are put under his adamic authority and power, after this christ in this adamic dominion, authority glory and power be subject to the Father, and the adamic kingdom handed over to the father.

Scriptures must agree and explain scripture.

Haines:

In the beginning was the God, and the God was with God, and the God was God. Is that correct? Of course no
And the same John claim Jesus is son of God in John 3 16. How can someone be the father and son at the same time?

Jesus never claim to be God and he clear debunk that in

Mark 10 v 18

Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

Matthew 24 v 36

But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

tctrills:


Isaiah 9.6 called Jesus Christ the mighty God.

John 1.1 The word was God.

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

John 20:28

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Janosky:

Oga, you made a claim.
I asked you:
The claim you made, have you ever done it ?
Show us the proof nau.
The proof should begin with you.

Janosky:

Oga, you made a claim.
I asked you:
The claim you made, have you ever done it ?
Show us the proof nau.
The proof should begin with you.

Michael548:

So is Jesus a human in heaven according to 1 Corinthians 15:27,28

Janosky:


Oga Steep,of a truth I love your interest in matters pertaining to the holy scriptures.
It's commendable indeed.

But let's look at the scriptures... 1 Corinthians chapter 15....

Was Paul the apostle writing about the resurrected Christ Jesus?
Yes.

Is the resurrected Christ Jesus a human being in heaven?

1 Corinthians 15:45,50 , Paul says No!

Jesus Christ the second (or last ) Adam (depending on the translation you quote) is a spirit being.

Humans nature (or human being) does NOT dwell in the heavenly, spiritual realm.
John 17:1-5,24 Jesus is a spirit being before his Earthly ministry, therefore he returns back to heaven in his original state- a spirit being.
His humanity begins & ended during his earthly ministry.

Shalom.

Michael548:

Lol.... You need to do more research on the Trinity doctrine.

Steep:
According to the Bible Jesus is a man

Venerable612:


You don’t research bro.

You pray - and God helps you understand the truth.

You shall know the truth - and the truth shall set you free!!!