Steep:

But you assumed Stephen knew Jesus face to face without any proof. Any way isn't Stephen supposed to commit his spirit to Jehovah?

Steep:

But Paul was not seeing the Lord at the moment of prayer
That by the way side,
Why did the whole Christiandom call upon the name of the Lord instead of the name of Jehovah?
1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Can you give example of the early church call upon Jehovah's name.

MaxInDHouse:

This is what happened!

As they were stoning Stephen, he made this appeal: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then, kneeling down, he cried out with a strong voice: “Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” And after saying this, he fell asleep in death! Act 7:59-60

He spoke to Jesus as the person he recognized but to Jehovah he knelt and prayed!



It's mistranslation that's confusing them!

The title LORD was used in most Bible versions as replacement for the divine name "JEHOVAH" that's why many readers don't know the meaning of what they're reading in the Bible.

For instance David used JEHOVAH'S name in all his Psalms but since translators replaced the divine name with the title "LORD" the sense of what he's saying was lost.

Please read this verses in your copy of the Bible and tell me who was David referring to:

Jehovah is my Shepherd. I will lack nothing. Psalm 23:1

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Psalm 110:1

Joel also said:

"And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said, The survivors whom Jehovah calls" Joel 2:32

You will notice that in your copy of the Bible @ Psalm 110:1 the translators rendered it this way:

"The LORD said to my Lord" and apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the small Lord Jehovah was talking to {Act 2:34-36} but when the translators wanted to write where Paul quoted Joel they confused their readers:

For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" Romans 10:13

That's why misinformed churchgoers are taking Jesus for Jehovah!

Steep:
Is there any manuscript that that interpreted Lord as Jehovah?
what evidence do you have for this?
Do you have any older manuscripts that has Jehovah instead of Lord in it?
According to Paul, the Christian church called upon Jesus.
1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Why did the early Christians call upon Jesus instead of Jehovah?

MaxInDHouse:


With all the evidences i think it's time to leave you with whatever you want to believe there's no sense in this back and forth debate.

Go and worship with those you're sure that are having the same line of thought with you as for us we are doing fine with our Faith in Jehovah!

Steep:
atleast present one, just one is enough.
So far you have not being able to prove anything, I have clearly presented scriptures to you, showing you that Jesus is truly God and truly man.8 I showed you Daniel 7 vv 14 where Jesus recieve service that is meant only for the true God.Shown you that Jesus has absolute power,I have also shown why Jesus called a servant which is because he took that form willingly.I have also showed you where Jesus is prayed to by Stephen, Paul and entire Christian church.This is enough evidence for now.

Steep:
I am not. Why don't you paste the Hebrew translation and it's usage let's see.

Steep:
Do you offer kings the service rendered to Jehovah?
Jesus is not served like other kings, he is served as Jehovah God himself it is in the bible.

Steep:

Daniel 7vv14, the Hebrew word interpreted as serve is specifically reserved only for Jehovah.

MaxInDHouse:


OBEISANCE is for the one who is supreme so since Jesus always do the will of his father he is qualified to lead because whatever orders comes from his mouth is automatically what his father told him.

You have seen several verses pointing to the fact that Jesus is not the same as Jehovah so if you're still interested in your trinity no one is holding you back we have been freed from the lies of trinity Jehovah is One God not three in One! Deuteronomy 6:4 compare to Mark 12:29

Janosky:

The Hebrew word translated "Serve" at Daniel 7:14 (H5647) meaning respect/admiration )& Deuteronomy 6:13 (h6399 meaning Worship ),have different meaning.

Janosky:


The Hebrew lexicon 6399 translated "Serve" meaning Worship @ Deuteronomy 6:13, Deuteronomy 10:20 & Matthew 4:10 is DIFFERENT from Hebrew lexicon 5647 also translated "Serve" meaning reverence (deep respect and admiration) @ Daniel 7:14.

The screenshot PROVEN evidences removes any iota of doubt as to the genuine meaning of Daniel 7:14, that is ,respect/admiration for the son of man.

Janosky:


Delusion

Janosky:

No,Sir.
As per the screenshots evidences provided from the holy scriptures.

Janosky:


The Hebrew word translated "Serve" at Daniel 7:14 (H5647) meaning respect/admiration )& Deuteronomy 6:13 (h6399 meaning Worship ),have different meaning.

MaxInDHouse:


There's no reason arguing with him as long as Jehovah and Jesus are separate beings and Jesus worship Jehovah case closed!

MaxInDHouse:


With all the evidences i think it's time to leave you with whatever you want to believe there's no sense in this back and forth debate.

Go and worship with those you're sure that are having the same line of thought with you as for us we are doing fine with our Faith in Jehovah!

Steep:

Meanwhile your questions are pending.
atleast present one, just one is enough.
So far you have not being able to prove anything, I have clearly presented scriptures to you, showing you that Jesus is truly God and truly man.8 I showed you Daniel 7 vv 14 where Jesus recieve service that is meant only for the true God. Shown you that Jesus has absolute power, I have also shown why Jesus called a servant which is because he took that form willingly. I have also showed you where Jesus is prayed to by Stephen, Paul and entire Christian church. This is enough evidence for now.

MaxInDHouse:


The purpose of scriptural backing for whatever Christians are doing is to prove that they're WORKING towards God's will as a group so if you're sure of what you believe go and WORK with those having your type of faith! James 2:18-26

Steep:

Then why is it difficult for you to answer my questions? You claim that the word Lord used was changed from Jehovah to Lord, the question is give me one older new testament manuscript that has Jehovah in it?

Steep:


Hahaha why did you cut off the Hebrew interpretation, because you know the argument would have ended immediately.
Jesus is God that is why he is given service rendered to Jehovah alone.

Steep:
you didn't provide any evidence, provide the Hebrew translation of Daniel 7 vv 14 not the dictionary meaning of serve.

Oga Steep, you want to be dishonest.

Everyone else see's these screenshots Chabad.org Hebrew - English word for word translation of Deuteronomy 10:20, Deuteronomy 6:13 & Daniel 7:14 except Oga Steep.

These screenshots is self explanatory to everyone except Trinitarians DECEIVING THEMSELVES.

Oga Steep no want Hebrew language Daniel 7:14 except Trinitarian distorted & doctored version .

MaxInDHouse:


Psalms 110:1 is enough to help any researcher who is sincere and honest hearted:

This is what was written in God's word:

Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet" Psalms 11:1

In the Hebrew Aramaic scriptures the name JEHOVAH was presented in four consonants "YHWH" so in your own copy of the Bible that name was replaced with the title "LORD"

So instead of what the New World Translation wrote above your own version of the Bible will say:

"The LORD said to my Lord, sit at my right hand"

Apostle Peter confirmed that David was talking about Jehovah and Jesus so if you're not convinced that the version you're using can't help you get accurate knowledge of God's word that's your cup of coffee.

Go and WORK with your fellow trinity worshipers in doing God's will!

MaxInDHouse:


There's no reason arguing with him as long as Jehovah and Jesus are separate beings and Jesus worship Jehovah case closed!

MaxInDHouse:


With all the evidences i think it's time to leave you with whatever you want to believe there's no sense in this back and forth debate.

Go and worship with those you're sure that are having the same line of thought with you as for us we are doing fine with our Faith in Jehovah!

Janosky:


Oga Steep, you want to be dishonest.

Everyone else see's these screenshots Chabad.org Hebrew - English word for word translation of Deuteronomy 10:20, Deuteronomy 6:13 & Daniel 7:14 except Oga Steep.

These screenshots is self explanatory to everyone except Trinitarians DECEIVING THEMSELVES.

Oga Steep no want Hebrew language Daniel 7:14 except Trinitarian distorted & doctored version ..

Steep:

Then why is it difficult for you to answer my questions?
You claim that the word Lord used was changed from Jehovah to Lord, the question is give me one older new testament manuscript that has Jehovah in it?

Steep:

Do a hebrew-english interlinear for Daniel 7 vv 14. Simple

Oga , you have seen the English Hebrew word for word screenshot of Daniel 7:14, you don't want to accept that.
Oga Steep,Pls go to Chabad.org Hebrew/English translation of Daniel 7:14 & Biblehub lexicon of Daniel 7:14 & see for yourself.

Janosky:


Oga Steep, you want to be dishonest.

Everyone else see's these screenshots Chabad.org Hebrew - English word for word translation of Deuteronomy 10:20, Deuteronomy 6:13 & Daniel 7:14 except Oga Steep.

These screenshots is self explanatory to everyone except Trinitarians DECEIVING THEMSELVES.

Oga Steep no want Hebrew language Daniel 7:14 except Trinitarian distorted & doctored version ..

Steep:

Chabad did didn't do a straight interlinear.
Here is the hebrew- English interlinear and places where it is used.
The word interpreted for serve is only used for the service of the only true God.


It means to serve or reverence, that is not the issue, but this word is only used to describe the kind of service or reference offered to Jehovah.

Janosky:


Oga Steep, the answer to your claim is no.

The Hebrew language did not use "Worship" @ Daniel 7:14.
The screenshots PROVEN evidences says that pelach also references other gods, deities.



The Bible Aramaic word pelach @ Daniel 7:14 meaning reverence (deep respect and admiration) PROVEN by the screenshots evidences you have seen on this thread & attested to by your fellow Trinitarian Bible scholars is convincing proof to abandon your claims.

Dem dey remove the screenshots I dey post.

Steep:

Meanwhile your questions are pending.
atleast present one, just one is enough. So far you have not being able to prove anything, I have clearly presented scriptures to you, showing you that Jesus is truly God and truly man.8 I showed you Daniel 7 vv 14 where Jesus recieve service that is meant only for the true God. Shown you that Jesus has absolute power, I have also shown why Jesus called a servant which is because he took that form willingly. I have also showed you where Jesus is prayed to by Stephen, Paul and entire Christian church. This is enough evidence for now.

Steep:

what does worship mean?
The word translated as "serve " is peculiar to service to the only true God, not kings.

There two word translated as serve in the old testament one is general service to both men, and true God but the second is strictly the true God.

Steep:
It is service I didn't tell you it is not reverence, but what type of reverence?
The word palak is reserve only for the true God. It is the type of reverence meant only for Jehovah.

The holy ones in Daniel 7:27 RECEIVE pelach.

Daniel 7:27
27 “‘And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One.+ Their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,+ and all rulerships will serve and obey them"
NWT is very accurate.


The "Him" ending in your Trinitarian doctored version of Daniel 7:27 is not in the manuscript.
Screenshot PROVEN evidence.

Janosky:

The holy ones in Daniel 7:27 RECEIVE pelach.

Daniel 7:27
27 “‘And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One.+ Their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,+ and all rulerships will serve and obey them"
NWT is very accurate.


The "Him" ending in your Trinitarian doctored version of Daniel 7:27 is not in the manuscript.
Screenshot PROVEN evidence.

SIRTee15:


I can take u on each of your point and defeat it easily. If u ready, reply me.
The bible only makes sense when Jesus is God.
Bible without Jesus is just a history book.

To your point 1. When was the first time in the bible God became man. Definitely not Jesus.