MaxInDHouse:


OBEISANCE is for the one who is supreme so since Jesus always do the will of his father he is qualified to lead because whatever orders comes from his mouth is automatically what his father told him.

You have seen several verses pointing to the fact that Jesus is not the same as Jehovah so if you're still interested in your trinity no one is holding you back we have been freed from the lies of trinity Jehovah is One God not three in One! Deuteronomy 6:4 compare to Mark 12:29

Steep:

I told you the word translated as serve in reference to Jesus in Daniel 7vv14 is not obeisance. Why don't you check it up yourself? It is service offered only to Jehovah.

Neither did I say Jehovah is three gods in one.
However, that does not mean we should close our eyes to the truth.

MaxInDHouse:


A king must be served that's why they're called "LORD" so if Jesus is King of God's kingdom he will surely be served just like other kings.
The truth remains that Jesus is not the Almighty God who asked Jesus to sit at his right hand! Psalm 110:1

Steep:

It's not my personal opinion.

Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

The revelation of Jesus that the God Almighty gave Jesus, Revelation 1:1 & John 17:7.
The God Almighty OWNS the Revelation given to His son, Jesus.
Somebody sent you to read His speech at an event.
You get to the event of the speech & be LYING that you,the Reader owns the speech.
Revelation 3:2, Jesus Christ has conveyed God's disapproval of your Trinitarian posture tayy tayy.

Steep:


Jesus prayed because he took on the form of man. Simple.

Oga Steep,Trinity is making you TWIST the holy scriptures.
John 15:15, who is teaching Jesus Christ?
John 15:15 & Matthew 6:9, Oga Steep, where did Jesus Christ learn how to pray?
Did Jesus receive that teaching in heaven?

Steep:


Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Steep:


Jesus came of his own free will, he wasn't ordered.

Steep:
you mean Jehovah confered all his power to a creature? I thought you quoted Jehovah saying he does not give his glory to another.

Steep:


No it means Jesus was truly human

Steep:


Philippians establish the fact that Jesus was not originally a servant.
It is not humility for a servant to uphold his servanthood but for a king to become a servant that is true humility.
The bible is clear that angels are servants.
Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?


An angel said to John that he is just a servants like John and other apostles and prophet

Revelation 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Matthew 20:28 & Hebrew1:14 ,is Jesus Christ a ministering spirit in human form?
Yes!
Is Jesus Christ a servant of God's in the spiritual realm.
Revelation 3:2,5 confirmed that.
Yes !
Oga, please don't DECEIVE YOURSELF.

Steep:

Jesus told you that the father does not judge anybody but has committed all judgment to the son meaning Jesus has final say over all things.

Steep:
yes the father gave the son power to do Judgment.

The issue is, if Jesus has the final say over all things as given by the father, doesn't this mean God sharing his glory over all things?

I never said Jesus is never the servant of God. Jesus is the servant of God because he took that position.

The father is the only true God in contrast to other gods human worship.
Jesus is not among other gods so the statement that the father is the only true God does not disprove that Jesus is the true God.

The apostles and angels also worship Jesus and confessed him as God in flesh.

Steep:
you seem not to understand what is at stake. We are talking about position that only God has. If Jesus had the position whether he earned it or not, it does not matter.



Jesus said all Judgments has being committed to him this is lifestyle but absolute authority he also said that whatever he locks no body can open and whatever he opens no body can lock meaning he is absolute authority over all creation.

Steep:
conferring titles is not the same as having absolute power.




God gave authority to Moses over pharoah is not the same as giving Moses absolute power. Jehovah alone has absolute power.

Steep:

Remember, Jesus was speaking as a servant. Since he took the form of a servant he does nothing of himself, it is the position Jesus willingly took.

Steep:


That is by the way side, if Jesus is a mere creature why would the father give him absolute authority over all creation?

Steep:


To the extent of commanding angels and all men to worship Jesus?

Steep:


MaxInDHouse who is the Son of man in Daniel 7 :13? Jehovah or Jesus?

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Steep:
It is not obeisance, it is to serve.
So how come Jesus is receiving the same service reserved only for Jehovah?
Note this type of services is only rendered to Jehovah.

Steep:
Do you offer kings the service rendered to Jehovah?
Jesus is not served like other kings, he is served as Jehovah God himself it is in the bible.

Janosky:


Oga, stop TWISTING the holy scriptures.

Janosky:


The revelation of Jesus that the God Almighty gave Jesus, Revelation 1:1 & John 17:7.
The God Almighty OWNS the Revelation given to His son, Jesus.
Somebody sent you to read His speech at an event.
You get to the event of the speech & be LYING that you,the Reader owns the speech.
Revelation 3:2, Jesus Christ has conveyed God's disapproval of your Trinitarian posture tayy tayy.

Oga Steep,Trinity is making you TWIST the holy scriptures.
John 15:15, who is teaching Jesus Christ?
John 15:15 & Matthew 6:9, Oga Steep, where did Jesus Christ learn how to pray?
Did Jesus receive that teaching in heaven?


Your fellow Trinitarian,Bill Mounce Interlinear Greek,Phillipians 2:6 PROVEN screenshot evidence that Jesus had NOT equality to grasp.

Trinitarians thought it not robbery to ADD & TWIST Phillipians 2:6.
"Thought it not robbery" doesn't even appear in the Greek manuscript.

Janosky:


Oga Steep ,read the screenshot thesaurus.
Synonyms for Sent = Ordered.
The screenshot PROVEN evidence PROVEN that John 3:16, Jesus Christ spoke the truth.

Janosky:

Isaiah 42:8 Jehovah God does NOT share His glory with Idols & pagans, unbelievers.
Referenced as "another" in Isaiah 42:8.
John 17:7,22,24, Jesus Christ shares his Father's glory with the disciples/co rulers in heaven.

Steep:
So Jehovah can share his glory with his angels right?

Jesus Christ shares his Father's glory with the disciples/co rulers in heaven.

Janosky:


No,Sir.

John 15:15 & Matthew 6:9, in heaven Jesus Christ learnt how to pray & was taught by God his Father.
On earth he passed on the teaching that God taught him (Jesus)..

Matthew 20:28 & Hebrew1:14 ,is Jesus Christ a ministering spirit in human form?
Yes!
Is Jesus Christ a servant of God's in the spiritual realm.
Revelation 3:2,5 confirmed that.
Yes !
Oga, please don't DECEIVE YOURSELF.

Oga,When did giving someone an assignment to perform for you meaning that he has final say?

John 7:16

Janosky:


Oga Steep is a polytheist who claims he Worship the only true God and another true God.

Oga, continue DECEIVING YOURSELF..

Janosky:


1 Corinthians 15:24-27 & 1 Corinthians 11:3, Oga Steep, where is your absolute authority coming from?

Janosky:


@John 15:15, in heaven,Jesus Christ is receiving instructions and teachings from God his Father, but you doubt that he is a servant in heaven.

It pleases the God his Father to grant Jesus that privilege.


@ Matthew 4:10, Jesus Christ says you are on your own.

Hebrew1:6, the Catholic New Jerusalem Bible published by Trinitarians, also said "Oga Steep, you are on your own"


@ Daniel 7:14, son of man references Jesus Christ.

Steep:

yes, when you give someone total power to rule your establishment you have given him absolute power over that establishment.

Janosky:


Oga, the screenshots PROVEN you are TWISTING the holy scriptures and at the same time, TWISTING the word "serve" which means deep respect and admiration."

Daniel 3:18 provides lucid evidences that serve (Hebrew lexicon 6399) is NOT Worship.

Screenshots evidences.....

Janosky:


Oga, stop TWISTING the holy scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:


So when Pharaoh of Egypt gave Joseph the ring as the ruler of ALL Egypt Pharaoh was no longer on his throne, shey? Genesis 41:41-44

Steep:
It doesn't mean Pharaoh is no longer on the throne but Joseph became the absolute power over Egypt of cause this excludes Pharaoh.

MaxInDHouse:


That's the point!

So all worshipers are to face Jehovah with their petitions {Matthew 6:6; Philippians 4:6} just as Jesus also approach God with his own petitions {Hebrews 5:7} but when talking about how to do Jehovah's will we must all congregate in the name of Jesus who will join and lead us {Matthew 18:20} in the worship of our God and father JEHOVAH! John 20:17

Steep:
Why then did Stephen prayed to Jesus, or is Stephen not a worshipper of Jehovah?
According to scriptures the spirit of man returns to who?
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

MaxInDHouse:


Stephen was looking at Jesus standing at God's right hand, the person he could relate with in that scenario is Jesus whom he knew face to face as one of his disciples.

So he talked to Jesus just as they always do when he was with them but when it comes to prayers Jesus directed all his disciples to pray to God not him! Matthew 6:6

Steep:

Stephen did not know Jesus face to face, he was not among the disciples who was with Jesus during his ministry on earth.
Why did Stephen choose to commit his spirit into Jesus hands, was he not suppose to follow Jesus example who committed his spirit to Jehovah's hands, Stephen literally saw Jesus standing at Jehovah's right hand side yet choose instead to commit his spirit to Jesus who so?

When Stephen called upon Jesus was he calling upon Jehovah or Jesus?

Steep:

But Stephen prayed to Jesus. Why did Paul prayed to Jesus in 1 Corinthians 1:1–2?

MaxInDHouse:

How many disciples of Jesus did you know?

It was only the names of twelve out of his numerous disciples that were mentioned in the gospels because he made them Apostles {Luke 6:13} so Stephen has been one of those not mentioned by name in the gospels but he was with them all along! Act 6:5-6

Prayer is when you're speaking to an unseen supernatural being but when you're seeing the person directly it's no longer a prayer!