MaxInDHouse:

God shared it with Adam but he fell by sinning so he failed to pass it to his descendants that's why the scriptures say:

"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23 compare to Romans 5:12

Jesus came to replace Adam {1Corinthians 15:45} so he can share that glory with all those having faith in him as their adoptive father through faith {John 1:11-12} hence Jesus could say:

"I have GIVEN them the glory that you have GIVEN me, in order that they may be one just as we are one" John 17:22

As son of God {John 3:16} Jesus was GIVEN God's glory just as Adam was also given {Luke 3:38} Adam failed to pass it on to his children but Jesus was able to pass it on to all those accepting him as their adoptive father!

SIRTee15:

So what about isaiah 42.8. except u saying Adam is not a man.

MaxInDHouse:


"I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images" Isaiah 42:8

The context here differ!

You can't comprehend this verse because God's name is mentioned not the title LORD so God is saying no one else can share with Him the glory that comes with His name.

The name "Jehovah" means "He causes to become" nobody can rightly share that glory with God that's why Jesus said:

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father" Matthew 24:36

Because it's only JEHOVAH (the father) who causes to become or has the right to decree what will happen. Jesus can't share such with God that's why he said:

“Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” Luke 22:42

Only JEHOVAH has the final say nobody can share that with Him!

Steep:

What are the glory that comes with Jehovah's name

MaxInDHouse:


The name Jehovah means "He causes to become" so He has the final say.

That's the glory that comes with His name and nobody can share that with Him! Isaiah 42:8

Steep:
Jesus causes to become and Jesus has the final say.

Steep:


When Jehovah said there is no God beside him, how come Jesus is exactly like him? Explain

Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

Janosky:

Jesus Christ himself does NOT have final say, Matthew 24:36,God his Father does have the final say.

John 17:3
"And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God [/b], and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth"

According to John 17:3 spoken by Jesus;
Is Jesus the only true God?

Can you compare or liken any being or thing (in screenshot PROVEN evidence) referenced as "ONLY" ?

Not ,at all.

Steep:

Jesus causes to become and Jesus has the final say.

MaxInDHouse:


This is your personal opinion if Jesus has the final say he won't be praying {Luke 22:42} to another person who can SAVE him! Hebrews 5:7

Steep:

It's not my personal opinion.
Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

Steep:

Jesus prayed because he took on the form of man. Simple.

Steep:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Steep:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

MaxInDHouse:

All these power was confered on him after his earthly mission {Matthew 28:18} before then he doesn't have such authority.

If he is praying with tears ọmọ he is not the one who has the final say.

That simply means he gives no personal order (making himself God) rather he was telling his listeners what he heard from his God and father! John 8:28

All creatures that comes from above {John 8:23} are far too much for humans to stand before them {2Kings 19:35} so unlike all other heavenly creatures Jesus has special weakness for humans due to the love he has for humans {Proverbs 8:31} that's the import of what you quoted.

Jesus doesn't have the final say that's why the scriptures say he must wait at the right hand of the One who has the final say {Psalm 110:1} Jehovah his father who is also our father and his God who is also our God {John 20:17} who has the final say must issue order on what Jesus should do! Psalm 110:2

Steep:

Jesus has the final say.
Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Steep:


But according to scriptures Jesus us exactly like God.

How come nobody like God and yet another looks exactly like him with no difference?

The only true God is Almighty, according to Jesus Christ, Revelation 3:12 & John 20:17, John 17:7.

John 20:17 & John 17:7, Revelation 3:12 from the mouth of Jesus Christ.

Oga, @ John 20:17 & Acts 3:13, according to the apostles, whom does Almighty God the Father Worship?

Oga Steep, @ Revelation 3:2, Jesus Christ is talking to you:
"I find that your actions (on Nairaland) do not meet the requirements of my God."

Steep:

you mean Jehovah confered all his power to a creature? I thought you quoted Jehovah saying he does not give his glory to another.

Steep:

No it means Jesus was truly human

Steep:

Jesus came of his own free will, he wasn't ordered.

Steep:
Philippians establish the fact that Jesus was not originally a servant. It is not humility for a servant to uphold his servanthood but for a king to become a servant that is true humility.
The bible is clear that angels are servants.
Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Steep:

An angel said to John that he is just a servants like John and other apostles and prophet
Revelation 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Steep:

Jesus told you that the father does not judge anybody but has committed all judgment to the son meaning Jesus has final say over all things.

Janosky:



Hallelujah!
Oga Steep quote of John 5:22 says God the Father gave His Son power to do judgement.

Oga, will the Son do judgement without his Father's instructions & command?

I wonder how these Trinitarians dey reason sef!


The only true God is Almighty, according to Jesus Christ, Revelation 3:12 & John 20:17, John 17:7.

John 20:17 & John 17:7, Revelation 3:12 from the mouth of Jesus Christ.

Oga, @ John 20:17 & Acts 3:13, according to the apostles, whom does Almighty God the Father Worship?

Oga Steep, @ Revelation 3:2, Jesus Christ is talking to you:
"I find that your actions (on Nairaland) do not meet the requirements of my God."

MaxInDHouse:

You misunderstood the whole thing!
The power was GIVEN to Jesus so that all other creatures both in heaven and on earth must obey Jesus (if they want to continue living) he must return all authority back to his father and God {1Corinthians 15:27-28} so even in heaven where Jesus is right now he is still under the authority of his father who gave him the power to control all His inheritance! Colossians 1:16

After God transformed Jesus' life into an embryo he became human but before then he was one of God's spirit sons in heaven.

Jesus himself said he was SENT {John 3:16-17} of course all servants sent must do God's will by their own freewill otherwise they won't do it joyfully. John 4:34

Ọmọ Jesus was no king until he completed his earthly mission {John 19:30} that's what made him qualify fully as the only creature that can lead mankind to salvation! Daniel 12:1

Jesus was also one of them until he passed all the tests before him to qualify for the position he earned!

NO! It simply means God is not the one whose lifestyle and ministry judged mankind but the role model sent to live a holy life amongst humans, it's his holy life that judged the world! John 3:19

Steep:
you seem not to understand what is at stake. We are talking about position that only God has. If Jesus had the position whether he earned it or not, it does not matter.

Steep:

Jesus said all Judgments has being committed to him this is lifestyle but absolute authority he also said that whatever he locks no body can open and whatever he opens no body can lock meaning he is absolute authority over all creation.

MaxInDHouse:


Well for your information God confered the title (God) on Moses and declared Aaron prophet to Moses {Exodus 7:1} does that makes Moses God almighty?

Hen because God gave the authority nah.

Moses was made like God over Pharaoh of Egypt. Perhaps you don't understand what that means, at that time Pharaoh was the world's most powerful ruler so if Moses is given authority over the world's most powerful ruler please who is more powerful than Moses at that point in time?

Steep:
conferring titles is not the same as having absolute power.

Steep:

God gave authority to Moses over pharoah is not the same as giving Moses absolute power. Jehovah alone has absolute power.

MaxInDHouse:

Well Jesus was GIVEN {Matthew 28:18} and he must return it to the One who gave him! 1Corinthians 15:27-28
So that's not absolute!

Just as Jesus was given temporary power to rule and he must surrender later !

Steep:
That means you atleast agree that for now Jesus is given absolute power, right?
that means you agree that Jesus is atleast given absolute power, right?

MaxInDHouse:


NO! He can't do a single thing without getting approval (go ahead) from his God and father:

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me" John 5:30

That's the real Jesus Christ for you not the fabricated trinity Jesus!

Steep:

Remember, Jesus was speaking as a servant. Since he took the form of a servant he does nothing of himself, it is the position Jesus willingly took.
That is by the way side, if Jesus is a mere creature why would the father give him absolute authority over all creation?
To the extent of commanding angels and all men to worship Jesus?
MaxInDHouse who is the Son of man in Daniel 7 :13? Jehovah or Jesus?
Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus is the son of man brought before JEHOVAH.

This is a vision of what happened in heaven so both in heaven and on earth Jesus is lesser than Jehovah! John 14:28

Steep:

Do you know that the Word serve as used in Daniel 7:14 is only attributed to Jehovah alone?

MaxInDHouse:


Ọ̀gbẹ́ni Jehovah and Jesus are two separate beings so don't let trinitarians mislead you!

Steep:
So how come Jesus is receiving worship? Isn't worship for Jehovah alone?

MaxInDHouse:


It's confused trinitarians that translated that word as "WORSHIP" the correct rendering is "OBEISANCE" which means "OBEDIENCE to" according to God's will all creatures must learn obedience from Jesus because as a spirit being in heaven for countless years he has performed excellently when it comes to loyalty to his maker and God! Proverbs 8:22-31

Steep:
It is not obeisance, it is to serve.
So how come Jesus is receiving the same service reserved only for Jehovah?
Note this type of services is only rendered to Jehovah.

MaxInDHouse:


Serve in what sense?

Are you saying all those under God's kingdom in ancient Israel weren't serving King David?

Steep:

The kind of sevice given to God, which includes worship.
Jesus recieves the exact same type of services meant for Jehovah alone.
Why?

MaxInDHouse:


Who told you that?

Steep:

Daniel 7vv14, the Hebrew word interpreted as serve is specifically reserved only for Jehovah.