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Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 5:47pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
tctrills:Do you believe that the father is greater than the son? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by tctrills: 5:50pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:That was never the my issue. I would appreciate it we can address my points then we move to a new topic. I basically pointed out the Jesus Christ was the Jehovah of the old testament. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 5:53pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
tctrills:So who is now the 'Father' of the new testament? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 5:53pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:1. If you recall, Paul had stated that when you plant a seed, the seed dies and then a plant grows from it that produces seeds — even of the same kind— but great and glorious. (When you plant corn, you will also reap corn by the way, only you get a whole plant and lots more corn.) From that, what Paul is likely trying to get you to know is that your current flesh and blood, the one you were born with, will die off in the grave, while a new more glorious body — equally consisting of flesh and blood — with an added Spiritual aspect to it, will be raised from the grave instead. 50 I tell you this, brothers and sisters: Our bodies of flesh and blood cannot have a part in God’s kingdom. Something that will ruin cannot have a part in something that never ruins.You will die a man and be raised from the dead a man. Earlier, I had assumed Paul meant that a completely different flesh and blood will be given but after reading the rest of the text carefully, I don't think Paul meant that either. See that in verse 53? At the resurrection, the body is raised clothed in something that will cause it to never die — Spirit. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Steep: 5:53pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:what it means is that christ was made alive in the spirit. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by tctrills: 5:55pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:I am not sure I understand your question. But hopefully this verse answers it. John 20:17 |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 5:59pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: So what is the difference between a physical body and a spiritual one? What is the source of the physical body and the source of the spiritual one? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 6:00pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:1. The spiritual addition to it which for those in Jesus Christ actually takes place when one becomes born of the spirit - John 3 vs 5 - 8. That is the glorifying factor! |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 6:00pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
tctrills:So you agree Jesus has a father and a God. Does Jehovah of the old testament have a Father and a God? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 6:03pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:So what kind of body do the angels in heaven have? Is it the same as the one Jesus had after been resurrected? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 6:07pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:1. Is there only one kind of angel in Heaven? That would be my first question to you. According to Genesis 6, the Sons of God, which is what we Jesus Christ came to recruit His followers as were able to mate with daughters of humans indicating that they probably have human bodies like Jesus Christ. Another thing to consider in all of this is the fact that Jesus Christ is meant to be descended from David — flesh and blood — and He is meant to reign forever as a descendant of David. If you assume that He does not currently exist as flesh and blood in Heaven, what you are saying is that He no longer qualifies as a candidate for the Davidic Covenant of Salt. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 6:09pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Lol....so how did the angels get their human bodies without been born on earth? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 6:11pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:You would have to ask the writer of the story in Genesis 6 that. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 6:12pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Lol....thank you for your honest submission. You dont know the answer. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 6:13pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:1. For now at least! That might change by tomorrow as He does have a way of giving an understanding of these things on His own schedule, not mine. For now we at least know that Paul did not contradict Jesus Christ in his letters on this issue, and neither did Peter. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 6:15pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:I can help you out though with the answer.....contact me on 08167469103 for explanation. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 6:19pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:1. From the conversation, you need to first find Him so He can help you before you can help another. Spewing religious doctrines which are disconnected from that which is of scripture is against Jesus Christ. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 6:28pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:You just assumed I don't know Christ.....but you find it hard to explain the resurrected body of christ in connection with the angels. No man is an island. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Steep: 6:31pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:what it means is that christ was made alive in the spirit. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 6:35pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Steep:So was he resurrected with a physical body or a spiritual body? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 6:38pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:1. I did not assume this thing as what I did instead was simply apply Jesus Christ's own law in assessing this. According to Jesus Christ, those who Know Him will not teach that which is of the doctrines and traditions of men - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 - lies which nullify the power of God and render worship of no meaning. 2. I didn't find it hard to explain that at all. As I said instead, I don't have that information at this time given that Jesus Christ Himself made clear to His followers that God will give us the understanding we need when He deems it fit - Matthew 25 vs 29 & Matthew 13 vs 12 & Mark 4 vs 22 - 25. 21 Then Jesus said to them, “You don’t take a lamp and hide it under a bowl or a bed, do you? Of course not. You put it on a lampstand. 22 Everything that is hidden will be made clear. Every secret thing will be made known.The Father is the one who controls these things. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Steep: 6:39pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:stop jumping around after being busted in one you run to another. When has made alive in the spirit equal to resurrected as a spirit? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 6:40pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Lol.....but some of your assuming explanations cannot be regarded as the teachings and traditions of men? Hahaha. Weldone oo |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 6:41pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:1. Point out one such assumption. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 6:41pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Steep:Oya explain 1 Cor 15:42-44 with this your explanation. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 6:45pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Earlier, I had assumed Paul meant that a completely different flesh and blood will be given but after reading the rest of the text carefully, I don't think Paul meant that either. See that in verse 53? At the resurrection, the body is raised clothed in something that will cause it to never die — Spirit. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Steep: 6:48pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:The distinction is BTW Spiritual body as opposed natural body. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 6:49pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:1. I don't follow at all. Did I teach this assumption I had of Paul's writings on the matter as God's Truth, or did I simply indicate that I had actually thought Paul meant a brand new body, an idea which I instead believe contradicts Jesus Christ was raised clothed in the same body He was buried in, scars and all? |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 6:54pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:So what is the 'something' that is covering it not to die according to you? Oga you are assuming something would clothe the body not to die as the truth. Lol |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 6:56pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:1. As indicated right there in that response you quoted, it is the spirit aspect that is gained in Jesus Christ. 2. And, I didn't assume this at all as it is instead what Jesus Christ Himself taught of all those who enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 5 - 8. 50 I tell you this, brothers and sisters: Our bodies of flesh and blood cannot have a part in God’s kingdom. Something that will ruin cannot have a part in something that never ruins.Paul simply repeated this in the context of 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50 - 55 as the spirit clothing the body. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Michael548(m): 7:03pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Paul did not mention a spirit would clothe the physical body. Stop teaching the traditions of men. |
Re: Is God A Trinity? by Kobojunkie: 7:13pm On Mar 20, 2023 |
Michael548:1. Jesus Christ did that in John 3 vs 5 - 8 when He said except a man be born again — be born of water and born of spirit —, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God, of which Paul spoke of in the context of the Kingdom of God in 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50 - 54 3 Jesus answered, “I assure you, everyone must be born again. Anyone who is not born again cannot be in God’s kingdom.”As Paul indicated in the context of 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50 - 54, our body, as-is, cannot partake of God's Kingdom. 50 I tell you this, brothers and sisters: Our bodies of flesh and blood cannot have a part in God’s kingdom. Something that will ruin cannot have a part in something that never ruins.And as such it needs to be clothed in that which never dies nor decays before it can enter into the Kingdom of God. Well, that something happens during the born-again process — the acquisition of a spirit/eternal aspect to one's being — the Eternal life that one gains when entering the Kingdom of God. See where Paul tells you that to acquire that spiritual body he had alluded to in previous verses, some will not even need to die to have it. Well, it is those who are born-again who will not need to die to have spiritual bodies — complete with flesh and blood while they still live |
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