tctrills:

Please read what I wrote so you can quote me correctly. Thank you

Do you believe that the father is greater than the son?

Michael548:

Do you believe that the father is greater than the son?

That was never the my issue. I would appreciate it we can address my points then we move to a new topic.
I basically pointed out the Jesus Christ was the Jehovah of the old testament.

tctrills:

That was never the my issue. I would appreciate it we can address my points then we move to a new topic.
I basically pointed out the Jesus Christ was the Jehovah of the old testament.

So who is now the 'Father' of the new testament?

Michael548:
■ So tailor this to 1 Corinthians 15:50

1. If you recall, Paul had stated that when you plant a seed, the seed dies and then a plant grows from it that produces seeds — even of the same kind— but great and glorious. (When you plant corn, you will also reap corn by the way, only you get a whole plant and lots more corn.) From that, what Paul is likely trying to get you to know is that your current flesh and blood, the one you were born with, will die off in the grave, while a new more glorious body — equally consisting of flesh and blood — with an added Spiritual aspect to it, will be raised from the grave instead.

50 I tell you this, brothers and sisters: Our bodies of flesh and blood cannot have a part in God’s kingdom. Something that will ruin cannot have a part in something that never ruins.
51 But listen, I tell you this secret: We will not all die, but we will all be changed.
52 It will only take the time of a second. We will be changed as quickly as an eye blinks. This will happen when the last trumpet blows. The trumpet will blow and those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we will all be changed.
53 This body that ruins must clothe itself with something that will never ruin. And this body that dies must clothe itself with something that will never die.
54 So this body that ruins will clothe itself with that which never ruins. And this body that dies will clothe itself with that which never dies. When this happens, the Scriptures will be made true: - 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50 - 54

You will die a man and be raised from the dead a man.

Earlier, I had assumed Paul meant that a completely different flesh and blood will be given but after reading the rest of the text carefully, I don't think Paul meant that either. See that in verse 53? At the resurrection, the body is raised clothed in something that will cause it to never die — Spirit.

Michael548:

Lol....explain

what it means is that christ was made alive in the spirit.

Michael548:

So who is now the 'Father' of the new testament?

I am not sure I understand your question.
But hopefully this verse answers it.
John 20:17

Kobojunkie:
1. If you recall, Paul had stated that when you plant a seed, the seed dies and then a plant grows from it that produces seeds — even of the same kind— but great and glorious. (When you plant corn, you will also reap corn by the way, only you get a whole plant and lots more corn.) From that, what Paul is likely trying to get you to know is that your current flesh and blood, the one you were born with, will die off in the grave, while a new more glorious body — equally consisting of flesh and blood — with an added Spiritual aspect to it, with be raised from the grave instead.
You will die a man and be raised from the dead a man.

See that in verse 53? At the resurrection, the body is raised clothed in something that will cause it to never die — Spirit.

So what is the difference between a physical body and a spiritual one? What is the source of the physical body and the source of the spiritual one?

Michael548:
■ So what is the difference between a physical body and a spiritual one? What is the source of the physical body and the source of the spiritual one?

1. The spiritual addition to it which for those in Jesus Christ actually takes place when one becomes born of the spirit - John 3 vs 5 - 8. That is the glorifying factor!

tctrills:

I am not sure I understand your question.
But hopefully this verse answers it.
John 20:17

So you agree Jesus has a father and a God. Does Jehovah of the old testament have a Father and a God?

Kobojunkie:
1. The spiritual addition to it which for those in Jesus Christ actually takes place when one becomes born of the spirit - John 3 vs 5 - 8

So what kind of body do the angels in heaven have? Is it the same as the one Jesus had after been resurrected?

Michael548:
■ So what kind of body do the angels in heaven have? Is it the same as the one Jesus had after been resurrected?

1. Is there only one kind of angel in Heaven? That would be my first question to you.

According to Genesis 6, the Sons of God, which is what we Jesus Christ came to recruit His followers as were able to mate with daughters of humans indicating that they probably have human bodies like Jesus Christ.

Another thing to consider in all of this is the fact that Jesus Christ is meant to be descended from David — flesh and blood — and He is meant to reign forever as a descendant of David. If you assume that He does not currently exist as flesh and blood in Heaven, what you are saying is that He no longer qualifies as a candidate for the Davidic Covenant of Salt.

Kobojunkie:
1. Is there only one kind of angel in Heaven? That would be my first question to you.

According to Genesis 6, the Sons of God, which is what we Jesus Christ came to recruit His followers as, are able to mate with humans meaning they probably have human bodies like Jesus Christ.

Lol....so how did the angels get their human bodies without been born on earth?

Michael548:
■ Lol....so how did they get their human bodies without been born on earth?

You would have to ask the writer of the story in Genesis 6 that.

Kobojunkie:
You would have to ask the writer of the story in Genesis 6 that.

Lol....thank you for your honest submission. You dont know the answer.

Michael548:
■ Lol....thank you for your honest submission. You dont know the answer.

1. For now at least! That might change by tomorrow as He does have a way of giving an understanding of these things on His own schedule, not mine.

For now we at least know that Paul did not contradict Jesus Christ in his letters on this issue, and neither did Peter.

Kobojunkie:
1. For now at least! That might change by tomorrow as He does have a way of giving an understanding of these things on His own schedule, not mine.

I can help you out though with the answer.....contact me on 08167469103 for explanation.

Michael548:
■ I can help you out though with the answer.....contact me on 08167469103 for explanation.

1. From the conversation, you need to first find Him so He can help you before you can help another. Spewing religious doctrines which are disconnected from that which is of scripture is against Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
1. From the conversation, you need to first find Him so He can help you before you can help another. Spewing religious doctrines which are disconnected from that which is of scripture is against Jesus Christ.

You just assumed I don't know Christ.....but you find it hard to explain the resurrected body of christ in connection with the angels. No man is an island.

Michael548:

Lol....explain

what it means is that christ was made alive in the spirit.

Steep:
what it means is that christ was made alive in the spirit.

So was he resurrected with a physical body or a spiritual body?

Michael548:
■ You just assumed I don't know Christ.....
■ but you find it hard to explain the resurrected body of christ in connection with the angels. No man is an island.

1. I did not assume this thing as what I did instead was simply apply Jesus Christ's own law in assessing this. According to Jesus Christ, those who Know Him will not teach that which is of the doctrines and traditions of men - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 - lies which nullify the power of God and render worship of no meaning.

2. I didn't find it hard to explain that at all. As I said instead, I don't have that information at this time given that Jesus Christ Himself made clear to His followers that God will give us the understanding we need when He deems it fit - Matthew 25 vs 29 & Matthew 13 vs 12 & Mark 4 vs 22 - 25.

21 Then Jesus said to them, “You don’t take a lamp and hide it under a bowl or a bed, do you? Of course not. You put it on a lampstand. 22 Everything that is hidden will be made clear. Every secret thing will be made known.
23 You people who hear me, listen!
24 Think carefully about what you are hearing. God will know how much to give you by how much you understand now. But he will give you more than you deserve.
25 The people who have some understanding will receive more. But those who do not have much will lose even the small amount they have.” - Mark 4 vs 22 - 25

The Father is the one who controls these things.

Michael548:

So was he resurrected with a physical body or a spiritual body?

stop jumping around after being busted in one you run to another.
When has made alive in the spirit equal to resurrected as a spirit?

Kobojunkie:
1. I did not assume this thing as what I did instead was simply apply Jesus Christ's own law in assessing this. According to Jesus Christ, those who Know Him will not teach that which is of the doctrines and traditions of men - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 - lies which nullify the power of God and render worship of no meaning.

2. I didn't find it hard to explain that at all. As I said instead, I don't have that information at this time given that Jesus Christ Himself made clear to His followers that God will give us the understanding we need when He deems it fit - Matthew 25 vs 29 & Matthew 13 vs 12 & Mark 4 vs 22 - 25.
The Father is the one who controls these things.

Lol.....but some of your assuming explanations cannot be regarded as the teachings and traditions of men?
Hahaha. Weldone oo

Michael548:
■ Lol.....but some of your assuming explanations cannot be regarded as the teachings and traditions of men?
Hahaha. Weldone oo

1. Point out one such assumption.

Steep:
stop jumping around after being busted in one you run to another.
When has made alive in spirit equal to resurirected as a spirit?

Oya explain 1 Cor 15:42-44 with this your explanation.

Kobojunkie:
1. Point out one such assumption.

Earlier, I had assumed Paul meant that a completely different flesh and blood will be given but after reading the rest of the text carefully, I don't think Paul meant that either. See that in verse 53? At the resurrection, the body is raised clothed in something that will cause it to never die — Spirit.

Michael548:

Oya explain 1 Cor 15:42-44 with this your explanation.

The distinction is BTW Spiritual body as opposed natural body.

Michael548:
■ Earlier, I had assumed Paul meant that a completely different flesh and blood will be given but after reading the rest of the text carefully, I don't think Paul meant that either. See that in verse 53? At the resurrection, the body is raised clothed in something that will cause it to never die — Spirit.

1. I don't follow at all.

Did I teach this assumption I had of Paul's writings on the matter as God's Truth, or did I simply indicate that I had actually thought Paul meant a brand new body, an idea which I instead believe contradicts Jesus Christ was raised clothed in the same body He was buried in, scars and all?

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't follow at all.

Did I teach this assumption I had of Paul's writings on the matter as God's Truth, or did I simply indicate that I had actually thought Paul meant a brand new body, an idea which I instead believe contradicts Jesus Christ was raised clothed in the same body He was buried in, scars and all?

So what is the 'something' that is covering it not to die according to you?
Oga you are assuming something would clothe the body not to die as the truth.
Lol

Michael548:
■ So what is the 'something' that is covering it not to die according to you?
■Oga you are assuming something would clothe the body not to die as the truth.
Lol

1. As indicated right there in that response you quoted, it is the spirit aspect that is gained in Jesus Christ.

2. And, I didn't assume this at all as it is instead what Jesus Christ Himself taught of all those who enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 5 - 8.

50 I tell you this, brothers and sisters: Our bodies of flesh and blood cannot have a part in God’s kingdom. Something that will ruin cannot have a part in something that never ruins.
51 But listen, I tell you this secret: We will not all die, but we will all be changed.
52 It will only take the time of a second. We will be changed as quickly as an eye blinks. This will happen when the last trumpet blows. The trumpet will blow and those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we will all be changed.
53 This body that ruins must clothe itself with something that will never ruin. And this body that dies must clothe itself with something that will never die.
54 So this body that ruins will clothe itself with that which never ruins. And this body that dies will clothe itself with that which never dies. When this happens, the Scriptures will be made true: - 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50 - 54

Paul simply repeated this in the context of 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50 - 55 as the spirit clothing the body.

Kobojunkie:
1. As indicated right there in that response you quoted, it is the spirit aspect that is gained in Jesus Christ.

2. And, I didn't assume this at all as it is instead what Jesus Christ Himself taught of all those who enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 5 - 8. Paul simply repeated this in the context of 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50 - 55 as the spirit clothing the body.

Paul did not mention a spirit would clothe the physical body. Stop teaching the traditions of men.

Michael548:
■ Paul did not mention a spirit would clothe the physical body. Stop teaching the traditions of men.

1. Jesus Christ did that in John 3 vs 5 - 8 when He said except a man be born again — be born of water and born of spirit —, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God, of which Paul spoke of in the context of the Kingdom of God in 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50 - 54

3 Jesus answered, “I assure you, everyone must be born again. Anyone who is not born again cannot be in God’s kingdom.”
4 Nicodemus said, “How can a man who is already old be born again? Can he go back into his mother’s womb and be born a second time?”
5 Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.
6 The only life people get from their human parents is physical. But the new life that the Spirit gives a person is spiritual.
7 Don’t be surprised that I told you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit.” - John 3 vs 3 - 8

As Paul indicated in the context of 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50 - 54, our body, as-is, cannot partake of God's Kingdom.

50 I tell you this, brothers and sisters: Our bodies of flesh and blood cannot have a part in God’s kingdom. Something that will ruin cannot have a part in something that never ruins.
51 But listen, I tell you this secret: We will not all die, but we will all be changed.
52 It will only take the time of a second. We will be changed as quickly as an eye blinks. This will happen when the last trumpet blows. The trumpet will blow and those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we will all be changed.
53 This body that ruins must clothe itself with something that will never ruin. And this body that dies must clothe itself with something that will never die.
54 So this body that ruins will clothe itself with that which never ruins. And this body that dies will clothe itself with that which never dies. When this happens, the Scriptures will be made true: - 1 Corinthians 15 vs 50 - 54

And as such it needs to be clothed in that which never dies nor decays before it can enter into the Kingdom of God. Well, that something happens during the born-again process — the acquisition of a spirit/eternal aspect to one's being — the Eternal life that one gains when entering the Kingdom of God. See where Paul tells you that to acquire that spiritual body he had alluded to in previous verses, some will not even need to die to have it. Well, it is those who are born-again who will not need to die to have spiritual bodies — complete with flesh and blood while they still live