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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:13am On May 25, 2023
MaxInDHouse:

Jehovah's Witnesses the one and only group practicing Christianity! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 9:50am On May 25, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah's Witnesses the one and only group practicing Christianity! smiley

lost false jw mad max

truly oh most dum one, false jw's habitual lying and paranoia is not
practising christianity, not to mention false jw's blaspheming the Holy Spirit:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32  And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 11:21pm On May 25, 2023
This shows how difficult it must be for you Max: you can't think of anything else to say: you haven't got any scripture to back up your theory Max.
At least we have the Word of God, which of course it backs up our beliefs: you haven't got that Max.
People are crying out Max: they need Christ to save them, we are born again believers-we were given the Holy Spirit He gave us the power { the Word of God} to help bring them to Christ, your refusal against Christ and the Holy Spirit doesn't give you that power Max: you can't give people that promise 'they are now saved in Christ:
{Ephesians 2:7-9} In order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.…
Max: have you read verse "9" we are not saved by works. so your boasting about your works is useless.
Max: What should happen in the life of a believer who has truly believed and responded to the gospel?
Peter talks about the proper results of salvation, read what he says:
{1 Peter 1:22} “Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth”
Max: he says we have been “purified” by “obeying the truth,” he is talking about our salvation through faith in Christ.
The same Christ you refuse to acknowledge Max:
{Romans 10:9-10} Peter seems to be calling our “faith” obedience. God has called us to believe in the Son as our Lord and Savior.
Do you realize Max: you disagree with the Word of God-you would prefer to be part of the Watchtower who forces people to be saved through works to build up the Watchtowers foundation: the very same organisation that refuses Christ to be Lord and savor.
Don't you realize Max: coming to Christ is free of charge-no labor for any organisation is required.
You are preaching another gospel Max: one that cannot save you.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 2:18am On May 27, 2023
Today was an interesting day, while speaking with the neighbors, I had noticed Jehovah Witnesses were door knocking around the neighborhood, strangely enough the neighbors dog began barking as the Jehovah Witnesses were walking our way.
While the dog was barking the Jehovah Witnesses turned around and walked the other way.
It amazes me about the animal kingdom, they really know how to pick up senses-especially when they feel en-danged, something they sensed was un natural, spirituality they knew something wasn't right.
Well as a Child of God I also sense the same feeling about the Jehovah Witnesses-there's a spiritual danger we need to be aware off.
Normally this dog is usually friendly towards the neighborhood, not even those delivering the post are worried, but as soon as the Jehovah Witnesses decide to walk our streets the dog was going mental, the dog was lining himself up for an attack, the dog was protecting, If the dog wasn't on a lead-the dog would have ripped them apart.
I suppose this is a good reason why people have pets-they sense the danger before many humans-I myself can't see the un-natural,so obviously the dog sensed an un-natural presents evil presents-either, on or above the Jehovah Witnesses, matter of fact when I was looking at the Jehovah Witnesses from a short distance-it was like looking at a dark cloud, their light doesn't shine.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:34am On May 27, 2023
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the light of the world! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:04am On May 27, 2023
My Pastor has already summon me over the message I sent to him regarding Trinity.I know it won't be funny

The word "TRINITY" was gotten from pagans in ancient Egyptian, Babylonian and Greek mythology so the committee that established Roman Catholic Church adopted the concept in order to gain approval among pagans but it has nothing to do with God's word Bible!

There are only two persons the Bible talks about throughout the Bible:
©Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! Exodus 6:2-3
©Jesus of Nazareth who is the Messiah sent by Jehovah! Deuteronomy 18:18-19; Act 3:22

God's Holy Spirit is not a person but the energy God uses to accomplish His purposes, it's noticed when God is at work! Genesis 1:2

That's why Jesus told his disciples the two main entities they need to know in person:

"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ" John 17:3

So it's the knowledge of only two persons are needed for salvation not three, God's Holy Spirit is not a person.

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 7:21am On May 27, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the light of the world! smiley

lost false jw mad max

the lies and paranoia and blasphemy of so called Jehovah's witnesses, is not light but darkness:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32  And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 7:29pm On May 27, 2023
In my bible it talks about three persons-the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, and I am reading the King James version.
Max: the New World Translation Watchtower bible only mentions Jehovah-little about Jesus, very little about the Holy Spirit and nothing about the Father.
{Matthew 28:19} Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Now Max: had you ever wondered why this verse was written? the Lord wrote baptize them in three names, the Father the Son and the Holy spirit. "In three names. Max:
And yet you claim your bible only speaks of Jehovah and Jesus two separate people.
My bible tells me, Jesus became a man and God is Spirit.
I realize: if you were Born Again: you would be able to understand, how simple it sounds-three working together as One.
But I am not expecting you to know this type of knowledge, that even a Child could understand it.
MaxInDHouse:


The word "TRINITY" was gotten from pagans in ancient Egyptian, Babylonian and Greek mythology so the committee that established Roman Catholic Church adopted the concept in order to gain approval among pagans but it has nothing to do with God's word Bible!

There are only two persons the Bible talks about throughout the Bible:
©Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! Exodus 6:2-3
©Jesus of Nazareth who is the Messiah sent by Jehovah! Deuteronomy 18:18-19; Act 3:22

God's Holy Spirit is not a person but the energy God uses to accomplish His purposes, it's noticed when God is at work! Genesis 1:2

That's why Jesus told his disciples the two main entities they need to know in person:

"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ" John 17:3

So it's the knowledge of only two persons are needed for salvation not three, God's Holy Spirit is not a person.

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE! smiley

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 1:05am On May 29, 2023
Max:
{ Psalms 33:6} By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.
Max: It was the Word: that created the heavens. And who is the Word Max: John introduces Jesus as “The Word” {John 1:1}.
{Genesis 1} In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
In the beginning God spoke His Word: Jesus is the Word Max:
{John 1:1-3} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made”
So if the Word was God: then Jesus and God are One, and if Jesus and God are One then the Spirit of God are One with them.
{John 1:14} “The Word” (Logos in Greek) is an undeniable reference to Jesus Christ, as the Word was made flesh.
If the Word was made flesh: then Jesus {Word} was the beginning of creation.
John would emphasize the deity of Christ throughout his Gospel {John 1:14; 5:17–18; 10:30, 36–38; 12:45; 14:7, 9–11}
{Revelation 19:13} In the book of Revelation, John reintroduces Jesus as the “Word of God”
Max: you can argue facts-but without evidence you haven't got a leg to stand on-your organisation can't prove your facts that every religion would agree upon, "you can't prove you are right and the bible is wrong, "there are to many Scriptures that gives as the evidence that proves whom the Word is, the Word became flesh. Just as the scriptures tells us {Jesus is the Word from the beginning of time}
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 2:17am On May 29, 2023
Max: this is the Word of God: and the bible is where we retrieve our wisdom and knowledge from, how can anybody believe you when in fact you disagree with the written Word Of God.
Scripture upon scripture there's to many proven facts Jesus is who He say's He is.
Why believe you are Christ like: claiming to be Christian when you disagree with His Word.
You have no solid evidence to prove your facts, the Watchtower have failed to give evidence to prove otherwise that their doctrine is true and correct.
As far as I can remember: the Watchtower had brought only one thing to the world' spreading their false prophesies lies and wonders.

Jesus Christ Is God

{John 1:14; 5:17–18; 10:30, 36–38; 12:45; 14:7, 9–11} John would emphasize the deity of Christ throughout his Gospel
{Revelation 19:13} In the book of Revelation, John reintroduces Jesus as the “Word of God”

Jesus Christ Is Eternal

John describes Jesus as pre-existent. Jesus was in the beginning with God means He was already present in {Genesis 1:1} when the universe began. He has always existed {John 8:58}
The writer of Hebrews applies {Psalm 102:25–27} to Jesus:
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth and made the heavens with your hands.
They will perish, but you remain forever. They will wear out like old clothing. You will fold them up like a cloak and discard them like old clothing. But you are always the same; you will live forever” {Hebrews 1:10–12}

{John 17:5, John 17:24} Jesus Himself revealed in prayer that He shares in God’s eternality: “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began”
{Revelation 1:8} Again, in the book of Revelation, Jesus declares, “I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end. . . . I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One”

Jesus Christ Is Creator

{John 1:3, John 1:10} Jesus was in the beginning with God means that Jesus was not a created being but an active co-Creator with God.
The term for “with” in the original Greek expresses a living, dynamic union in the closest, most intimate sense.
John could not state it any more precisely: “God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him”
{Colossians 1:16} The apostle Paul confirms, “For through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see—such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him”

Jesus Christ Is God the Son

Jesus was in the beginning with God also supports the doctrine of the Trinity. Jesus is God, yet He was “with God.” Jesus is distinct in His personhood from God the Father; He is God the Son. They are One but not identical. They interact with one another.
The world was created by God through Jesus: “There is one God, the Father, by whom all things were created, and for whom we live. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created, and through whom we live” {1 Corinthians 8:6}

Max: this is the Word of God: every Christian have it written down in the bibles, do you still disagree.

As members of the Trinity, the Father and Son act distinctly but in close collaboration with one another {Genesis 1:1–3, John 1:1–3}
{2 Corinthians 4:6} “ The apostle Paul further describes this collaborative action in “For God, who said, ‘Let there be light in the darkness,’ has made this light shine in our hearts so we could know the glory of God that is seen in the face of Jesus Christ”
Jesus reveals “the visible image of the invisible God” {Colossians 1:15–17}
{Hebrews 1:3} “The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command”
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:41am On May 29, 2023
Two persons (not three) are to be acknowledged:
The father and the Son! John 17:3

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 11:45am On May 29, 2023
brocab:
Max: this is the Word of God: and the bible is where we retrieve our wisdom and knowledge from, how can anybody believe you when in fact you disagree with the written Word Of God.
Scripture upon scripture there's to many proven facts Jesus is who He say's He is.
Why believe you are Christ like: claiming to be Christian when you disagree with His Word.
You have no solid evidence to prove your facts, the Watchtower have failed to give evidence to prove otherwise that their doctrine is true and correct.
As far as I can remember: the Watchtower had brought only one thing to the world' spreading their false prophesies lies and wonders.

Jesus Christ Is God

{John 1:14; 5:17–18; 10:30, 36–38; 12:45; 14:7, 9–11} John would emphasize the deity of Christ throughout his Gospel.
{Revelation 19:13} In the book of Revelation, John reintroduces Jesus as the “Word of God”

The Bible Greek meaning of deity = a god/goddess.
When you claim that Jesus is a deity you are actually saying that Jesus is a god/deity.
Let this fact in the screenshot sink into your skull.

Or continue in your folly & allow Trinity GIBBERISH tamper with your brain.
grin

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:13pm On May 29, 2023
brocab:


Jesus Christ Is Eternal

John describes Jesus as pre-existent. Jesus was in the beginning with God means He was already present in {Genesis 1:1} when the universe began. He has always existed {John 8:58}
The writer of Hebrews applies {Psalm 102:25–27} to Jesus:
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth and made the heavens with your hands.
They will perish, but you remain forever. They will wear out like old clothing. You will fold them up like a cloak and discard them like old clothing. But you are always the same; you will live forever” {Hebrews 1:10–12}


* Psalms 102:24-25.
" But I cried to him, “O my God, who lives forever, don't take my life while I am so young! 25 Long ago you laid the foundation of the earth and made the heavens with your hands"

Luke 1:31-32.
Angel Gabriel said to Mary:
You are to name your son, Jesus.
God will give him (Jesus) the throne of David his Father."


3 questions Brocab can not answer:
According to David in Psalm 102:24-25 & according to angel Gabriel,Is Jesus Christ the God of David?

Angel Gabriel was NEVER LYING.
Brocab is a LIAR. grin

Psalms 102:24-25 & Hebrews 1:10-12, Paul the apostle & David are Jews,firm believers in monotheism NOT Trinity.
Did Paul and David say that Hebrews 1:10-12 & Psalms 102:24-25 applies to Jesus?


Psalms 102:24-25 , The God of David lives forever.
Matthew 27:46, why is the deity of brocab crying to another Supreme God?
Or is the deity of brocab crying to himself?

Brocab, Stop DECEIVING YOURSELF. grin grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:23pm On May 29, 2023
brocab:


Jesus Christ Is God


{John 17:5, John 17:24} Jesus Himself revealed in prayer that He shares in God’s eternality: “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began”
{Revelation 1:8} Again, in the book of Revelation, Jesus declares, “I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end. . . . I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One”
1 Corinthians 11:3, there is hierarchy in the spiritual realm.
Brocab confessed that Jesus & his Father, God are 2 "distinct" persons.
Brocab,stop DECEIVING YOURSELF, "Almighty One" of Revelation 1:1,5,8 is God, the Father of Jesus.
Father meaning Senior.
Therefore, God the Father is Almighty @Rev1:8.
Trinity is a scam.
grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:15pm On May 29, 2023
brocab:

Max: this is the Word of God: and the bible is where we retrieve our wisdom and knowledge from, how

[color=#990000]Jesus Christ Is Creator


{John 1:3, John 1:10} Jesus was in the beginning with God means that Jesus was not a created being but an active co-Creator with God.
The term for “with” in the original Greek expresses a living, dynamic union in the closest, most intimate sense.
John could not state it any more precisely: “God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him”
{Colossians 1:16} The apostle Paul confirms, “For through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see—such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him”

Jesus Christ Is God the Son

Jesus was in the beginning with God also supports the doctrine of the Trinity. Jesus is God, yet He was “with God.” Jesus is distinct in His personhood from God the Father; He is God the Son. They are One but not identical. They interact with one another.
The world was created by God through Jesus: “There is one God, the Father, by whom all things were created, and for whom we live. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created, and through whom we live” {1 Corinthians 8:6}

Max: this is the Word of God: every Christian have it written down in the bibles, do you still disagree.

As members of the Trinity, the Father and Son act distinctly but in close collaboration with one another {Genesis 1:1–3, John 1:1–3}
{2 Corinthians 4:6} “ The apostle Paul further describes this collaborative action in “For God, who said, ‘Let there be light in the darkness,’ has made this light shine in our hearts so we could know the glory of God that is seen in the face of Jesus Christ”
Jesus reveals “the visible image of the invisible God” {Colossians 1:15–17}
{Hebrews 1:3} “The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command”


What a shameless advertisement for polytheism!

Brocab the devotee of two "distinct deities & a ghost." grin grin grin grin

Romans 11:35-36, Jesus Christ came through God his Father.
Brocab, did you come through your father?

These Trinitarians are very desperate to CHANGE the holy scriptures, but they CAN'T TWIST Romans 11:35-36.


@ Mark 13:19 & Revelation 3:14, jessus is the beginning of creation by God.

Mark 13:19 the expression, "the beginning of creation by God", CAN'T be TWISTED.
The same expression stands solidly in Revelation 3:14.

Trinitarians shamelessly coined "God the son" (not in the Bible) for their monumental fraud.
Trinity is a scam.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 12:17am On May 30, 2023
Christians are the light of the world. When was the jehovah witnesses ever recognized as devil worshipers. Was it when they denied Christ as our savor.
MaxInDHouse:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the light of the world! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 12:22am On May 30, 2023
The Bible teaches that Jesus was not created but was rather the Creator.
“In {Jesus Christ} all things were created: . . . all things have been created through him and for him” {Colossians 1:16}
But Janosky you don't read the bible to even acknowledge such wisdom. it's to much for you to recognize the truth whom Christ is.
Janosky:


What a shameless advertisement for polytheism!

Brocab the devotee of two "distinct deities & a ghost." grin grin grin grin

Romans 11:35-36, Jesus Christ came through God his Father.
Brocab, did you come through your father?

These Trinitarians are very desperate to CHANGE the holy scriptures, but they CAN'T TWIST Romans 11:35-36.


@ Mark 13:19 & Revelation 3:14, jessus is the beginning of creation by God.

Mark 13:19 the expression, "the beginning of creation by God", CAN'T be TWISTED.
The same expression stands solidly in Revelation 3:14.

Trinitarians shamelessly coined "God the son" (not in the Bible) for their monumental fraud.
Trinity is a scam.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 12:33am On May 30, 2023
Jehovah’s Witnesses say that Jesus was the first creation of Jehovah and was originally called Michael the archangel.
{Jude 1:9} "But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”
When reading the verse, Michael told the Devil the Lord rebuke you, if Michael was Jesus, just like the Jehovah witnesses say He is, then why didn't Michael say I rebuke you. Obviously Michael was preferring to Jesus as our Lord and savor. The King of kings and the Lords of Lords.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 1:13am On May 30, 2023
Janosky:

The Bible Greek meaning of deity = a god/goddess.
grin

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



lost fraud jw janosky of no understanding

deity means: God, god, godess, depending on who you are referring to


Col_2:9  For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form

in Jesus all the fullness of God dwells, not: in Jesus all the fullness of a god dwells


1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 1:18am On May 30, 2023
What is the another meaning of deity?
A god or supreme being. Lord. Almighty. Father. Creator.
Janosky "When attempting to answer the question of “was Jesus created?” there is no better person to look to than Jesus Himself.
During His public ministry, Jesus continually assumed for Himself divine prerogatives.
He continually exercised rights that would never be appropriate for a created being. He said that He was “Lord of the Sabbath” {Mark 2:28} and, since the Sabbath was instituted by God, Jesus’ claim to be “Lord” of the Sabbath was an assertion of deity.
Jesus spoke of His unique, intimate knowledge of the Father {Matthew 11:27} and of the glory He shared with the Father “before the world began” {John 17:5}
Jesus accepted the worship of others {Matthew 14:32–33} and described a future time when He will sit in judgment over all nations {Matthew 25:31–44}
Luke tells us that Jesus went so far as to personally forgive a woman’s sins—something only God can do—and attributed her forgiveness to her faith in Him {Luke 7:48–50}
Jesus’ disciples were equally clear in their belief in Jesus’ deity and uncreated nature.
John tells us that “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word {Jesus} was God” {John 1:1}
After having encountered the risen Jesus, the apostle Thomas exclaimed to Him, “My Lord and my God!” {John 20:28}
Now if the Jehovah witnesses claim to be the disciples of Christ: then why aren't they spreading the truth about Christ now? when in fact the disciples seen and heard everything Jesus said and done-the disciples even claimed, witnessed that Jesus is God Himself.
The apostle Paul referred to Christ as “God over all” {Romans 9:5} and stated that “in {Christ} the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily” {Colossians 2:9}
In the early days of the church, Jesus was both the object of prayer {Acts 7:59} and the One in whose name the forgiveness of sins was proclaimed {Acts 2:38; 10:43}
After having interrogated Christians under the threat of death, the Roman administrator Pliny the Younger wrote in his letter to the Emperor Trajan {c. AD 110)} that “{the Christians} were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light when they sang in alternative verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god” {Letters 10.96}
Jesus, God the Son, was not created. He has always existed; He has no beginning or end. The Son took on human flesh at a particular point in human history {John 1:14}
Christians refer to this event as the Incarnation {“the act of being made flesh”}
This act was integral to our salvation {Galatians 4:4–5; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 9:22}
From the Incarnation onward, the eternal, uncreated Son is both truly God and truly man.
But there was never a time when the Son did not exist.
He was never created. Jesus always was and will forever remain “our great God and Savior” {Titus 2:13}
So Janosky when you are ready to sit down with John 47 or myself, we will direct you in the right direction, you need saving and Christ is the only One who can save you.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 3:08am On May 30, 2023
brocab:

So Janosky when you are ready to sit down with John 47 or myself

i don't preach to puffed up false jw's
i just occasionally show up a few of their many lies
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MightySparrow: 6:43am On May 30, 2023
brocab:
What is the another meaning of deity?
A god or supreme being. Lord. Almighty. Father. Creator.
Janosky "When attempting to answer the question of “was Jesus created?” there is no better person to look to than Jesus Himself.
During His public ministry, Jesus continually assumed for Himself divine prerogatives.
He continually exercised rights that would never be appropriate for a created being. He said that He was “Lord of the Sabbath” {Mark 2:28} and, since the Sabbath was instituted by God, Jesus’ claim to be “Lord” of the Sabbath was an assertion of deity.
Jesus spoke of His unique, intimate knowledge of the Father {Matthew 11:27} and of the glory He shared with the Father “before the world began” {John 17:5}
Jesus accepted the worship of others {Matthew 14:32–33} and described a future time when He will sit in judgment over all nations {Matthew 25:31–44}
Luke tells us that Jesus went so far as to personally forgive a woman’s sins—something only God can do—and attributed her forgiveness to her faith in Him {Luke 7:48–50}
Jesus’ disciples were equally clear in their belief in Jesus’ deity and uncreated nature.
John tells us that “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word {Jesus} was God” {John 1:1}
After having encountered the risen Jesus, the apostle Thomas exclaimed to Him, “My Lord and my God!” {John 20:28}
Now if the Jehovah witnesses claim to be the disciples of Christ: then why aren't they spreading the truth about Christ now? when in fact the disciples seen and heard everything Jesus said and done-the disciples even claimed, witnessed that Jesus is God Himself.
The apostle Paul referred to Christ as “God over all” {Romans 9:5} and stated that “in {Christ} the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily” {Colossians 2:9}
In the early days of the church, Jesus was both the object of prayer {Acts 7:59} and the One in whose name the forgiveness of sins was proclaimed {Acts 2:38; 10:43}
After having interrogated Christians under the threat of death, the Roman administrator Pliny the Younger wrote in his letter to the Emperor Trajan {c. AD 110)} that “{the Christians} were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light when they sang in alternative verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god” {Letters 10.96}
Jesus, God the Son, was not created. He has always existed; He has no beginning or end. The Son took on human flesh at a particular point in human history {John 1:14}
Christians refer to this event as the Incarnation {“the act of being made flesh”}
This act was integral to our salvation {Galatians 4:4–5; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 9:22}
From the Incarnation onward, the eternal, uncreated Son is both truly God and truly man.
But there was never a time when the Son did not exist.
He was never created. Jesus always was and will forever remain “our great God and Savior” {Titus 2:13}
So Janosky when you are ready to sit down with John 47 or myself, we will direct you in the right direction, you need saving and Christ is the only One who can save you.

Don't expect the conceited JWs to give you any audience. Janosky himself is a cut - and - paste blind follower of deluded GB .
The JWs on this platform will always request for a private ' Bible Study ' why can they put all of their arguments here for all to reason out?

Don't expect anyone of them to have any discussion with you. They are cowardly and dishonest.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MightySparrow: 6:47am On May 30, 2023
brocab:
In my bible it talks about three persons-the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, and I am reading the King James version.
Max: the New World Translation Watchtower bible only mentions Jehovah-little about Jesus, very little about the Holy Spirit and nothing about the Father.
{Matthew 28:19} Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Now Max: had you ever wondered why this verse was written? the Lord wrote baptize them in three names, the Father the Son and the Holy spirit. "In three names. Max:
And yet you claim your bible only speaks of Jehovah and Jesus two separate people.
My bible tells me, Jesus became a man and God is Spirit.
I realize: if you were Born Again: you would be able to understand, how simple it sounds-three working together as One.
But I am not expecting you to know this type of knowledge, that even a Child could understand it.


I know we have agreed not to debate each other. I don't expect any answers from you. I don't want it either.
Your claim is wrong. The early Church Fathers that met in various synods first agreed on two Gods in One, years later Holy Spirit was added.

In your book, you teach 325 AD. It is wrong. You misinform people.

It was a progressive doctrinal development. First, two, about half a century later, the third was added in another reform of doctrines.
There was no Egyptian or Babylonian influences but pure scriptural interpretations and group discussions.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:47am On May 30, 2023
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the one and only group practicing Christianity! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:48pm On May 30, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the one and only group practicing Christianity! smiley

lost false jw mad max

truly oh deluded one, so called Jehovah's witnesses lying, paranoia, and blasphemy
is not practising christianity but is following the devil:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32  And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 11:28pm On May 30, 2023
{Genesis 1:2} The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
After Jesus was crucified the Holy Spirit was then giving to Born again Christians, before the Holy Spirit was found in Aaron's temples, God's spirit have always been around since time began. We know Him: by name 'The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are One.
Thing's changed since Jesus had been crucified: a new Covenant had been made, no longer do we have to visit a temple and ask the Pharisees to ask God for our forgiveness or repentance, no longer do we have to tithe for the remission of sins each year, as it was in the old Covenant law and commandments the Lord had with His people, since, the Holy Spirit was given to man kind-now you may disagree with us sharing the Word of God, you may only see we are debating against the Jehovah witnesses, well this time you are wrong, people from all walks of life open up to these pages 'searching for truth.
It takes 'One at a time, I know many are being saved through Christ everyday, it's no different to street preaching-there's always someone who will debate against the preacher, we are sharing the gospel just like the Lord tells us to do.
MightySparrow:



I know we have agreed not to debate each other. I don't expect any answers from you. I don't want it either.
Your claim is wrong. The early Church Fathers that met in various synods first agreed on two Gods in One, years later Holy Spirit was added.

In your book, you teach 325 AD. It is wrong. You misinform people.

It was a progressive doctrinal development. First, two, about half a century later, the third was added in another reform of doctrines.
There was no Egyptian or Babylonian influences but pure scriptural interpretations and group discussions.

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 11:43pm On May 30, 2023
I am not interested in Watchtower literature!
The truth is, the Watchtower don't have fellowship with God Himself, they never experienced dreams or visions, matter of fact none of them have actually heard God's Voice-directing them to scripture.
So it's quite obvious why many religions cults etc finds other resources to gain access into the underworld, they search high and low to gain information who they think God should sound like 'just in their own little minds.
If you people knew: many of us actually hear from God-God Himself directs us to scripture, the very same scripture you refuse to acknowledge.
Of course you wouldn't agree with us, this never happens in your organisation ''God doesn't speak to people.
He speaks to His people one must be born again before he can enter into the Kingdom of God.
And the Jehovah witnesses are not Born Again, so there's no fellowship with the Father who art in Heaven.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MightySparrow: 2:00am On May 31, 2023
brocab:
{Genesis 1:2} The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
After Jesus was crucified the Holy Spirit was then giving to Born again Christians, before the Holy Spirit was found in Aaron's temples, God's spirit have always been around since time began. We know Him: by name 'The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are One.
Thing's changed since Jesus had been crucified: a new Covenant had been made, no longer do we have to visit a temple and ask the Pharisees to ask God for our forgiveness or repentance, no longer do we have to tithe for the remission of sins each year, as it was in the old Covenant law and commandments the Lord had with His people, since, the Holy Spirit was given to man kind-now you may disagree with us sharing the Word of God, you may only see we are debating against the Jehovah witnesses, well this time you are wrong, people from all walks of life open up to these pages 'searching for truth.
It takes 'One at a time, I know many are being saved through Christ everyday, it's no different to street preaching-there's always someone who will debate against the preacher, we are sharing the gospel just like the Lord tells us to do.


What did the Lord tell you exactly?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 2:55am On May 31, 2023
I know: but they aren't the only ones that come to this page: many people open up to these pages to find truth, and many are saved, the Lord knows we are reaching out spreading the gospel.
The Lord will direct the right people, find the truth they are searching for.
We are no different to a street or a Church preacher, there's always someone out there who will try and debate against the Living Word.
Matter of fact: I am sure we all like the debates, this gives us the time to study, digging more into the Word of God.
Which of course helps us know the Lord better.
Either we are right or wrong-we are here learning the scriptures.
There's so much to learn, I am not concerned about other religious concepts, I realize bibles today read slightly different from each other and it can be confusing at times.
I don't know if you have experienced this before with God?
Now I am not one to try and rip the bible apart, tare it down, but I believe when the Lord speaks to me through my dreams, visions and thoughts and Word. it's He who directs me to scripture, not through my own understanding of the Word, but through His understanding, I am now seeing it come alive before my eye's the living Word of God.
Which of course through His own eye's, I see Black and White, but through God's eye's I am now seeing the Word shown to me, "Living in me.
When God see's us studying His Word, seeking Him: He shows us through His Word what He has installed for us. It could take years before we realize it's God working through us to accomplish our goals. His Changes us for His Glory.
Prophesies are given by God to let His people know the future events, throughout the Old Testament God spoke to all the men and women who recognized His Presents and worshiped Him.
God has not changed, it's us that change, I find myself not doing the old school yard lifestyle anymore. Why? Because I choose to seek after Him. God never Changed-He is, and always will be the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He will continual to speak with His people, just like He did with our ancestors, He will continual to speak with us..
I don't focus upon arguments over the two God's theory, if it was written before 325 AD, before the Holy Spirit was ever mentioned.
I couldn't even tell you when the bible was actually written-I can be guessing like everybody else who thinks he/she have all the answers, I realize the Roman Catholic Church had destroyed many manuscripts, I could look up on line for more information why they chose to hide God's Word away from the people. But it doesn't concern me right now.
New Testament was inspired by the Holy Spirit for the disciple to write the manuscripts, in the old Testament many manuscripts were written by people through dreams, visions and prophesies.
If the Jehovah witnesses want to argue over words that really doesn't make a difference to any of us that have fellowship with God, and if they want to prove God's name is Jehovah, then obviously they are barking up the wrong tree.
God has many Names people from different languages from all walks of life, knew God through their own understanding, none of them recognized God through that Name back then.
The Watchtower had only been running for over 200 years. the spelling of "Jehovah" didn't even exist before that time.
The Spirit of God had always existed, this is all the evidence I need.
MightySparrow:


Don't expect the conceited JWs to give you any audience. Janosky himself is a cut - and - paste blind follower of deluded GB .
The JWs on this platform will always request for a private ' Bible Study ' why can they put all of their arguments here for all to reason out?

Don't expect anyone of them to have any discussion with you. They are cowardly and dishonest.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 3:06am On May 31, 2023
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Maximus692(m): 3:08am On May 31, 2023
Ọmọ!
Where is Rozz?
Come and see two trinitarianisms that's been criticizing JWs over their stupid trinity they can't even come to terms on their hopeless trinity.
Later when politicians needs zombies to carry weapons and kill one another for their selfish ambitions they will brainwash these mugus using racism and these fools won't see beyond their noses but pick up weapons against their so called fellow believers in the name of patriotism while politicians and their families are safe far away from the warzone.

Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will continue to bless you guys for locating me! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 3:11am On May 31, 2023
Go out and preach the gospel: What you are not Christian to even realize that..
{Mark 16:15} And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
MightySparrow:



What did the Lord tell you exactly?

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