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Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by triplechoice(m): 4:00pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Maynman: You are starting to misrepresent me I ask you a simple question. If you didn't understand it why didn't you say so before now |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by triplechoice(m): 4:01pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Maynman:Please stop this. I never said the above |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:01pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:You don’t understand the question you are asking. If the “ideas” you are talking about is the one that you “consciously visualize or conceptualize something within themselves and then go on to do things to bring it to fruition.” Then as you said they come from thinking. Na me do mistake, I should have asked what you meant by “ideas”. |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:02pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:Who said you said it? I asked a question “Can you think without your mind?” When people say “you are out of your mind” what do they mean?” can you have ideas without your mind? |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by triplechoice(m): 4:10pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
@mayman Let me take you back to where it began. Me. Where do ideas come from? You. From the the mind? Me. Do we do anything to get it from the mind? You . they "arises from the mind" So tell me , what do you mean by they "arises from the mind? is it the same as thinking? |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:11pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:Can you think without your mind? When people say “you are out of your mind” what do they mean?” can you have ideas without your mind? |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by triplechoice(m): 4:11pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Maynman: Then why trying to put words in my mouth about thinking without the mind? Where did I insist on that here? |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:12pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:Then why are you acting like you don’t know what “mind” means. How do you get ideas from the mind is the same way you get sight from the eye. |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:13pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:I didn’t put words in your mouth, stop lying on me. I asked a question. Can’t you see question marks? Can you think without your mind? When people say “you are out of your mind” what do they mean?” can you have ideas without your mind? |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by triplechoice(m): 4:13pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Maynman: What do you mean by "arises from the mind? Is it the sane as thinking. Focus on that and don't deflect yet |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:14pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:Can you think without your mind? If you need your mind to think, then where do ideas arise from? A kid can answer this 😂 Stop changing mouth. Do you need your mind before you can “consciously visualise or conceptualize”?
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Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:24pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
If you can’t think without your mind, then what do youthink the function of the mind is? Consciousness is been aware of your mind, triplechoice. Your mind is the seat of your Ego. |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by triplechoice(m): 4:24pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Maynman: You are the one ,not me ,that has changed mouth. You said "arises from the mind" which doesn't mean thinking consciously. Explain that first before anything else |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:25pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:It’s you that is changing mouth here and there. Before you can “think consciously” don’t you need your mind? Can you “think consciously” without your mind? Why then is the mind important The reason you are sane is because of your mind. This is simple |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by triplechoice(m): 4:26pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
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Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:27pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:Yes. It arises from the mind. Can you think without the mind? Why do you need it before you can “think consciously” since not all thoughts arises from the mind? You should be able to think independently of the mind. All thoughts consciously or not arises from the mind. Open your eye |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by triplechoice(m): 4:27pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Maynman: And again, show me where I said you don't need your mind to think |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:28pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:And again, show me where i said you said it? I am asking a question, you no see question mark? |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by triplechoice(m): 4:33pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Maynman: It's too late now for this. Thoughts arising from the mind suggests one has no control at all over it. You have changed the goal post and you know that Both happens Thoughts can arise in the mind from a memory of something already stored in it or from consciously creating new ones either through visualisation or imagination, which results in innovative ideas |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:34pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:You just keep whining instead of facing the discussion. Yes you don’t have total control of your mind, where is the mind located in the body? You have never heard some people say “my mind is driving me crazy”? I didn’t change anything, this is baby food discussion. |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:36pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:You know that meditation 🧘♀️ people do. Try it, don’t think about anything, stay still and just observe your mind bringing thoughts you didn’t ask for. |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:38pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:You don’t even have control over your body, command your ears that they should stop hearing, or your eye to stop seeing or that your hair should stop growing. Your heart beat on his own without you controlling it Look up what “nature” means |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:44pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:Can you consciously create new thoughts without your mind? Why do you need your mind before you can consciously do something? If all thoughts don’t arise from the mind, then you should be able to do without it and get your own thoughts. |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by triplechoice(m): 4:47pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Maynman: You ,not me that has no control over their mind. Mind is a mental phenomenon, non physical ,that cannot be "located" in a physical space. You have a mind and everyone has too https://byjus.com/biology/difference-between-brain-and-mind/
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Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by triplechoice(m): 4:49pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Maynman: Where did I say thoughts dont originate from the mind or you can't create thoughts through it? You continue to misrepresent me Why? |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:50pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:Same you said thought and notions that occur to you without you thinking about them, same you said you have control over it, how did they occur to you in the first place? Mind is a mental phenomenon. Phenomenon means observable facts, how did you observe this phenomenon? Your picture said nothing, or what is the aim?
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Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:51pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:“ Can you consciously create new thoughts without your mind? Why do you need your mind before you can consciously do something? If all thoughts don’t arise from the mind, then you should be able to do without it and get your own thoughts.” Stop lying on me, where did i say you said “thoughts dont originate from the mind?” Point it out. |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by triplechoice(m): 4:55pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
Maynman: Thoughts can occur in your mind from a memory of what is already stored in it, but you choose whether to follow its lead or not |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:56pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:According to the function you listed there, why do we have mad people? Don’t they have brain or mind? |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:57pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:How did it “occur” without your control? Can your leg walk without you doing it, then you will choose to whether follow its lead or not? So why is it bringing memories without you doing it? That’s not what control means. You get random evil thoughts without even thinking about it or having past memory stored.
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Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 4:58pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:You know what socrates said about “self control”. Who are you controlling? Who is doing the control? |
Re: Contemplation Seeds From Eckankar by Maynman: 5:03pm On Jul 22, 2023 |
triplechoice:Good, so you agree that you and your mind are 2 different things. It can do something without your permission. And sometimes you follow its lead or not 😂 |
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