tiarabubu: Fasting is prescribed in Christianity. in fact from the time of Isaiah to the Church at Antioch in Acts of the Apostles. Jesus admonishes us not to make public show of fasting, that is why we don't "announce" fasting times or set aside periods of the year.


“Moreover when you fast, don’t be like the hypocrites, with sad faces.
For they disfigure their faces, that they may be seen by men to be
fasting. Most certainly I tell you, they have received their reward.17
But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face,
18 so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting,
but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees
what is done in secret, will reward you. (Matthew 6:16-18)



In the early church, fasting was norm. The church in Antioch were worshipping the Lord and fasting before sending Barnabas and Paul for work (Acts 13:2).Paul and Barnabus appointed elders with prayer and fasting (Acts 14:23). Major decisions and activities in most Churches even apart from personal fasting, such as election of elders, consecration, persecution, needs, evangelism, prayer support, activity weeks etc are preceded by fasting and prayers

Infact sometimes siblings don't even know the other is fasting, for how long and for how many days. that is why many outside Christendom will not know we fast very often. Its done on a massive scale but not outwardly shown.

So what the Pastor did is probably a PR stunt; he may be trying to seek greater understanding by the act, or he himself doesnt fast. Not surprising since the Americans are bringing weird and unacceptable stuff into religion these days.

We read you the first time. You may want to create a thread for the purpose of explaining fasting in Christianity. This thread is not meant for that.

maclatunji:

We read you the first time. You may want to create a thread for the purpose of explaining fasting in Christianity. This thread is not meant for that.

Sorry sir! I was trying to let readers understand the how and why I concluded the way I did in my last paragraph. Shei you grab. you are not mad at me are you? you aint gonna ban me?... are you?....... ppllleeeeeesssseeeeeeee! *quivering* Please, I am leaving this thread now never to return..... *bolts out the door*


So what the Pastor did is probably a PR stunt; he may be trying to seek greater understanding by the act, or he himself doesnt fast. Not surprising since the Americans are bringing weird and unacceptable stuff into religion these days.

@Tiarabubu: do you live in america to know that americans bring weird stuff[s] into religion, these days?
Could you tell us what they bring to christianity that is weird?

how about Judaism?

Can you tell me what they bring to Islam that is weird?

@Tiarabubu:

by tiarabubu: 10:39am
Fasting is prescribed in Christianity. in fact from the time of Isaiah to the Church at Antioch in Acts of the Apostles. Jesus admonishes us not to make public show of fasting, that is why we don't "announce" fasting times or set aside periods of the year.

while isiah and jesus were not christians, if Jesus did not let his followers/helpers know that e was fasting, how did know he fasted so often? The only reason you definitely know that muslims are fasting is because it is a common knowledge that God commanded it on all adults who do not fall into those who will have excuse from fasting.

“Moreover when you fast, don’t be like the hypocrites, with sad faces.
For they disfigure their faces, that they may be seen by men to be
fasting. Most certainly I tell you, they have received their reward.17
But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face,
18 so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting,
but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees
what is done in secret, will reward you. (Matthew 6:16-18)the difference between what is reported that Jesus said here and what Muslims are supposed to do in the month of ramadhan is the bold. Does a wealthy muslim in your neighborhood walks around in long face? Tell me his name or is the wealthy Alhaja sad looking, too?



[quote]In the early church, fasting was norm. The church in Antioch were worshipping the Lord and fasting before sending Barnabas and Paul for work (Acts 13:2).Paul and Barnabus appointed elders with prayer and fasting (Acts 14:23). Major decisions and activities in most Churches even apart from personal fasting, such as election of elders, consecration, persecution, needs, evangelism, prayer support, activity weeks etc are preceded by fasting and prayers

while you are touting only adults are the one fasting, Muslim youth as young as 7 upward fast and pray 5 times daily. Muslims fast off the month of Ramadhan, weekly throughout the year. and it is not the fast that you over starved yourself or break it in the daylight hour or drink water or some strange routine fast. The muslims are moderate and measured never restrictive or so underhanded. We are uniform and we are not supposed to create our own ideal fast or worship. If i ask you how you fast, it will be different from the next christian person. Muslim is supposed to be fasted from before dawn to after dusk. Thats universal.

Infact sometimes siblings don't even know the other is fasting, for how long and for how many days. that is why many outside Christendom will not know we fast very often. Its done on a massive scale but not outwardly shown.

deceive yourself as much as you want. the truth is known. As bad as boko haram is, even the christians are happy its ramadhan.

So what the Pastor did is probably a PR stunt; he may be trying to seek greater understanding by the act, or he himself doesnt fast. Not surprising since the Americans are bringing weird and unacceptable stuff into religion these days.

i will love to know the weird stuffs americans to christianity that you do not share? In Islam, i have not seen any. and your opinion of the pastor is your opinion, alone. the pastor knows why is doing what he is doing. i accept what he says of himself. God knows absolutely the end of the "experiment" of the pastor.

He is never the only pastor who is interested in Islam practice but watch out thedeenshow.com there u will understand ALlah is great

must ALL RUBBISH start frm america

Sweetnecta: @Tiarabubu: while isiah and jesus were not christians, if Jesus did not let his followers/helpers know that e was fasting, how did know he fasted so often? The only reason you definitely know that muslims are fasting is because it is a common knowledge that God commanded it on all adults who do not fall into those who will have excuse from fasting.

Don't know why muslims like to hang on this theory of Jesus not being a Christian.Yes he was not and could not have been.Some muslims say He was a muslim.How could he be when Mohammed came after Him and islam started with him.One thing muslims dnt understand is dat Christianity is nt a religion but a relationship wit God(I know it's difficult 2 understand wit revelation).Think about this scripture:He that cometh from above is above all:he that is of the earth is earthly,and speaketh of the:he that cometh from heaven is above all.And what he hath seen and heard,that he testifieth;and no man receiveth his testimony(John 3:31-32).

samkoro: That man is not a true pastor.If he is ,their must be a reason to it. Maybe he is on a research mission to find out the spirit that inspires violence in Islam and deal with it.You know these Oyibo people and their ways

Like the spirit that inspired
- the inquisition
- the crusades
- the murder of 6million jews
- the St Bartholomews Day Massacre
- the War of Religion
- the various wars started amongst christians which they eventually dragged others into eg WWI & WII
- causing displacement of people and subjugating them like when they held Berlin Conference of 1885 when Eurpoeans partitioned Africa

thorpido: Don't know why muslims like to hang on this theory of Jesus not being a Christian.Yes he was not and could not have been.Some muslims say He was a muslim.How could he be when Mohammed came after Him and islam started with him.One thing muslims dnt understand is dat Christianity is nt a religion but a relationship wit God(I know it's difficult 2 understand wit revelation).Think about this scripture:He that cometh from above is above all:he that is of the earth is earthly,and speaketh of the:he that cometh from heaven is above all.And what he hath seen and heard,that he testifieth;and no man receiveth his testimony(John 3:31-32).

Leave sweet necta

I asked a simple similar question whether there was any historical proof "islam" and "Muslim" as words or a religion existed BEFORE Prophet Muhammad. All I got were ramblings and a threat to get banned.

Your answer is spot on by the way.

tiarabubu:

Leave sweet necta

I asked a simple similar question whether there was any historical proof "islam" and "Muslim" as words or a religion existed BEFORE Prophet Muhammad. All I got were ramblings and a threat to get banned.

Your answer is spot on by the way.

which still stands if you keep repeating the same thing.

pimps:
Why are U̶̲̥̅̊ judging the pastor  taught ur bible says thou shall not judge.

sorry

Mutee:
Although we've not interacted much here on NL, have you ever asked for an english translation of the Noble Qur'an? I can get you copy with conditions if you wish.

oka.y lets hear it. I hav a condition of my own.

lakside s: Fasting with the muslims doesn't mean anything, its your belief that matters, I also have a friend in my area called jide a typical christian, he is fasting with us now from the beginning of the fasting, when I asked him why fasting with us? He replied that he did not even know when christian fasting commence that's why he engaged in fasting with the muslims

tank God u said 'typical christain' nt 'true christain'

maclatunji:

I would rather believe what God says:
Al-Mâ’idah – Surah 5 of The Qur'an. The Table Spread

[5:3] “This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favors upon you, and have chosen for you, Islam as your religion.”

so islam is mohammeds religion? Hmmm..

@ thorpido:

by tiarabubu: 8:41am

thorpido: Don't know why muslims like to hang on this theory of Jesus not being a Christian.Yes he was not and could not have been.Some muslims say He was a muslim.How could he be when Mohammed came after Him and islam started with him.

You would be correct if Islam actually started with Muhammad [sa] instead of being completed on him. Also you would be correct if Judaism was the first monotheistic religion or the judaism of today is from God, considering that it would mean God rejected other people and by just being non jewish will be in hell. or there were no people of varied religions, before Judaism was organized by the Jews. But none of the above was the case because Adam had a religion that his son Cain disbelieved in which is the reason his offering was rejected and the Abel was a believer had his offering accepted. We know that Cain was evil as he killed his good brother Cain.

We also know that Noah's community was destroyed for being disbelievers because they set up the first worship of humans as idols in idolatry. The names of the good people who had passed that they worshiped were 5; Wad-daan, Suwaaan, Yagutha, Yauqa and Nasraa. You will find the story in Surah Nuh.


I am sure that the reason Pharaoh and indeed Egypt was destroyed first with many disasters and finally drowning the pursing enemy was were because Egypt and her leadership the Pharaoh were disbelievers, while Moses was a believer leading believing people out of the reach of evil disbelievers. Was the religion of Moses different from the religion of Noah, or that of Adam or was the religion of Noah different from that of Adam, while each submitted their will to God as they churned personal way but follow Instruction from God alone?

Was their religion judaism at any time or the is anyone of them practicing judaism? Show me 1 simple element that any of these people will call religious duty that the jewish religion take as part of her duty? I want to learn from you.


If you can't and i am certain you will never be able, then know that there was religion on earth that was correct with God and it is not the religion of the present day jew or christian, if you consider their worship process. The bastard religion that the children of israel came up with at some point after Moses is the evolved judaism that we see today.


Jesus was prophet correcting them and pure religion he was returning them to so that they transport it to the rest of the world was bastardized to the christianity we now have, considering that this religion of Jesus did not bear christianity as a name when Jesus was on earth an no one of his disciples was called christian. the name had to come from humans and humans mae all kinds of claims or make erroneous statements, often [a pet owner who takes his dog as a son for example of human often false claims].


if the religion that these believers prescribed to submission to God because God has simply commanded them, then Islam of Muhammad [sa] is exactly this with a Book called the Quran and books of sunnah and hadith to explain the verses of the Quran.

While you are denying the obvious, and not even able to provide evidences for being adamant, the video here is from a jew in israel telling you that islam predates judaism, therefore being the oldest religion and definitely the first religion that upholds God is One without partnership and submitting to Him alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=w6fheRXbx4I

One thing muslims dnt understand is dat Christianity is nt a religion but a relationship wit God(I know it's difficult 2 understand wit revelation).

i see that you are re branding "religion' in your way. how is clapping and singing a true relationship with God, if God did not require you of any of these things in your 'relation"? Jesus of the Bible said he has a non dying God. but you said God died because Jesus is that God. Who is in error? Jesus prostrated his face in prayers to God, just like those prophets before him. You do not do the same thing. You is a disbeliever now? Jesus said his God is Ellah based on his accent.


You refused to say that your God is Ellah meaning Allah in Arabic. Jesus said there will be a definite prophet after him because the prophet will say that Jesus is the christ and the expected prophet will come when Jesus has left but when errors in faith, saying that Jesus said what he didnt say, much if not all of what Jesus said has been forgotten and since Jesus did not provide every essentials because it is the duty of this future prophet, who will have people following very much matured that the people of little to not faith who followed Jesus.

We definitely sse that no companion of Muhammad [sa] betrayed him, while from the companions, the 12 that followed Jesus we had betrayer, denier and one who was possessed by satan among them. When one reads the Quran seeing that it starts with "In the name of God, the most Merciful most Forgiving and no single word of Muhammad [sa] entered the QUran I have in my hands, and hadith/sunnah simply explains the verses of the Quran, is there is anyway to deny that God did not put His Word in the mouth of Muhammad [sa] to speak to man and that he was comforting the hearts and souls of believers as many verses of the Quran described him as kind, merciful, does not want harms to come upon you, etc?

Think about this scripture:He that cometh from above is above all:he that is of the earth is earthly,and speaketh of the:he that cometh from heaven is above all.And what he hath seen and heard,that he testifieth;and no man receiveth his testimony(John 3:31-32).

[/quote]The angels come from the heavens. jinns come from above, though not heaven. We all come from heaven; our soul being the spiritual part of us that is attached to the physical body. The verse is mostly meaninglessly redundant. Interestingly, a factual statement is in it; the bold simply points to the fact that like every previous prophet who was given directives, so was Jesus given directives. He had not "right" of his own. This is exactly what happened to Muhammad [sa].



@Tiarabubu:

Leave sweet necta

I asked a simple similar question whether there was any historical proof "islam" and "Muslim" as words or a religion existed BEFORE Prophet Muhammad. All I got were ramblings and a threat to get banned.

deal with the moderator as to the bold and dont drag me into your issue. watc the video that I already post.

below are something to think about concerning the bastardization of the religion of Moses, and definitely, same happened to the religion of Jesus.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQl09Psg02A&feature=related [even the jewish bible was just being canonized when Jesus came, according to the speaker]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhcu0INxqRw&feature=relmfu [watch this very intensively].


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4TubEpDjuY&feature=relmfu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erAhqboJvOQ&feature=relmfu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M7wPcmYu4s&feature=relmfu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7U7e28dPiw&feature=relmfu [listen to the speaker say the jewish religion today is different from the way it started.

Your answer is spot on by the way.

@ Maclatunji
I don't like being threatened. OK? You are a moderator not the KGB!

@ Sweetnecta
You just can't haul youtube videos and present them as facts. If you want I can get a 1001 videos links that would not rub you the right way. But that is not the way to go, I think. I would rather factual, critical, logical and/or referenced discussions.

If you don't know we are all learning new things (for or against doesn't really matter)

@ Forumites
I am curious, what is your stand on his praying along side Muslims without saying the Shahada? And if he did (I am assuming so because he would have said so at a point during the prayers (or else it was not)) would he be regarded as an apostate? just asking.

^LOL, too many Bond movies. I warn not threaten. You do try to be agreeable in your arguments but need to be nudged back within boundaries sometimes, that is what I do.

maclatunji: ^LOL, too many Bond movies. I warn not threaten. You do try to be agreeable in your arguments but need to be nudged back within boundaries sometimes, that is what I do.

What? You like your Martini juice shaken not stirred too?

Seriously, Maclatunji, I have nothing against you oh, but sometimes you too dey do. No hard feelings sha.

Any good christian have to stop abusing or insulting muslims, their Lord and their prophet (Muhammmad, Peace Be Upon Him). But I often finds a lot of christians doing same in chat rooms, in so many websites etc. Why? We muslims believe in all Prophets (including Jesus) whom we considered as a muslim too. There is a complete chapter in Quran 'tagged' sura Maryam (the mother of Jesus). Thus, I believe Jesus whom they believe to be their savior did not teach them to do same. There is no compulsion in religion according to Quran, and for those so-called muslims who want to force people to be muslims are just doing same based on there interest best known to them. So, please people let us practice what our Prophets taught us and avoid all sorts of castigations and abuses which earn us nothing but hatred.

Babaji111: Any good christian have to stop abusing or insulting muslims, their Lord and their prophet (Muhammmad, Peace Be Upon Him). But I often finds a lot of christians doing same in chat rooms, in so many websites etc. Why? We muslims believe in all Prophets (including Jesus) whom we considered as a muslim too. There is a complete chapter in Quran 'tagged' sura Maryam (the mother of Jesus). Thus, I believe Jesus whom they believe to be their savior did not teach them to do same. There is no compulsion in religion according to Quran, and for those so-called muslims who want to force people to be muslims are just doing same based on there interest best known to them. So, please people let us practice what our Prophets taught us and avoid all sorts of castigations and abuses which earn us nothing but hatred.

YAY! Another decent muslim! Am Impressed!

What he did is not strange. It is a reflection of the Love, the kind Christ taught us.You muslims should know that true christians love you even though we are are earnestly praying for your salvation.