bigbrovar:

I will try to refrain from turning this into a android vs wp debate. That's a topic for another day. All I will just say is. Specs does matter at the end of the day. If the first and second Gen wp hadn't had a hardware limitations and had shipped with powerful processing powers they would not have had problems updating and would have been eligible to run wp8. Even the iPhone often touted as the benchmark for fluidity even on lower spec hardware compared to Android saw the iPhone5 Shipping with a A6 processor based on cortex 15 which is generations ahead of anything running on any smartphone or tablet.. with a gb of ram this is the same iPhone said to only need a fraction of what android devices need to run like liquid yet apple is not taking any risk or pulling punches.

The paradigm of computer usage is shifting more and more to mobile as more and more people are shifting their everyday computing needs to mobile. As I write this I am downloading some torrent from my smart phone. Something which I won't even have thought of some years back. The arm race (pun unintended) is no longer unique to Android. If you want to compete in the mobile space u need solid hardware.

Again the wp8 is not a bad device neither is playing catch up by Nokia a bad thing. But guys this is Nokia we are talking about not HTC. When I want to think of Nokia I want to think of the n95 the Nokia that leaves us wowed. That Nokia (beside the cam) was very OK..yes it has a higher pixel density than the iPhone 4 but the iPhone brought retina so that's playing catch up. yes it has a 4.5 inch screen. Again we have seen that before. Yes the screen claims to be very bright and allows sun light and all.. again that can hardly be described as a wow factor. The design of the phone is great as was the L900 and the n8 and the n97 before that. And yes though the phone was well received (well its a great phone) Yet the general mood from the tech press was kinda meh. The only part which received great reviews was the design (an area Nokia always get raves for) and camera ( Yet another undisputed area for nokia) L920 is a great device as the l900 before it. However will it be great enough to see Nokia to the promise land ? I very much doubt it.

Theverge, Anandtech, Engadget, Gizmodo, Slashgear, Wired, Arstechnica....you name it, all had very positive impressions of the lumia 920. I don't know where you got your 'meh' reaction from. Source please?

u can argue till ur blue in the face with tex, once he toes a line .......

a year ago he was saying similar things about wp7. pages and pages he just could not see the forest for the trees.

We all know d result today.


personally i think the lumias will do well because of the legion of nokia fanboys eager to relive the past. im guessing the low end wp8 will sell really well. dumbfones are on d way out.
i just dont see them getting the top end of the market.

for this reason im forecasting a complete takeover of nokia by microsoft by december 2013.

4llerbuntu: u can argue till ur blue in the face with tex, once he toes a line .......

a year ago he was saying similar things about wp7. pages and pages he just could not see the forest for the trees.

We all know d result today.


personally i think the lumias will do well because of the legion of nokia fanboys eager to relive the past. im guessing the low end wp8 will sell really well. dumbfones are on d way out.
i just dont see them getting the top end of the market.

for this reason im forecasting a complete takeover of nokia by microsoft by december 2013.

I have always conceded to superior LOGIC. Not just the 'iPhone is baaaad, samsung is gooood' drivel i seem to hear on nairaland.

I can't recall ever sticking my neck out for a Wp7 being a better purchase than android. I showed you why I thought Nokia made the right call by not going Android. So far, time has not proven me wrong. HTC, Sony, LG, Motorola...all make less than 3% of the total Smartphone profits COMBINED.

Unless you're Sasmsung, Android is no longer a winning ticket. Samsung phones have ANNIHILATED sales of other Android OEMs in Europe. In north america, all others have been speedily crushed by the Galaxy S III.

Motorola just launched a couple of Android devices on Verizon. Watch those phones get murdered by 1) iPhone 5 2) Galaxy S III 3) Galaxy Note II and then potentially one of Nokia's Lumia phones.

if nokia had gone android, it would have been worse, it have become a one OEM thingy a long time ago


anyways, i personally think its not a bad thing because:

the lesser the amount of OEMs google has to massage, the better. if they adopt Sammy/Motorola they can finally get the update issue under control.

Fact is google really needs to do something about it. they need to drastically reduce the turnaround on updates. its practically impossible with the number of OEMs now. with just one or two, with more stringent control, they can get it reduced to like 3 months

and they seriously need to orphan a lot of the older devices. fact. i dont understand why there are still devices running 1.6 or 2.1 in the market


secondly Google needs to adopt some "evil". the Acer/Aliyun thingy was a very positive step to me. now they need to kick out some of the cruft, and stamp out all this forking android shyte.


needless to say, having acquired motorola, they need to make it into a apple clone sans the extreme prices

W8 party countdown...you're invited.

HTC ve announced their 8x and 8s.

bigbrovar:

I will try to refrain from turning this into a android vs wp debate. That's a topic for another day. All I will just say is. Specs does matter at the end of the day. If the first and second Gen wp hadn't had a hardware limitations and had shipped with powerful processing powers they would not have had problems updating and would have been eligible to run wp8. Even the iPhone often touted as the benchmark for fluidity even on lower spec hardware compared to Android saw the iPhone5 Shipping with a A6 processor based on cortex 15 which is generations ahead of anything running on any smartphone or tablet.. with a gb of ram this is the same iPhone said to only need a fraction of what android devices need to run like liquid yet apple is not taking any risk or pulling punches.
.

Guess u must know so much about processors. Can you prove the statement in bold

I came across some interesting pics lately regarding this topic and decided to share them.
Although I agree with most, they may not be necessarily what I think but they're quite interesting.

First after the Samsung vs Apple stuff, some Nokia fans thought Nokia was not doing enough in terms of advertising and so decided to help out with this.
Well I think its more sincere than that of Samsung.

Well... It seems Nokia caught the gist and decided to come up with their own advertising which was at least more respectful that that of Samsung.

Thirdly, following the release of iOS 6 there have been multiple complaints by users as regards the new apple maps. Nokia didn't waste time in showing what they're the best at- navigation.
The first pic shows the map features comparison while the second shows worldwide availability.

Finally, I know it may seem I'm trolling, but I came across this not too long ago. It made me laugh so hard and so I decided to share.
Well we all know this might not affect sale numbers.

Awesome new videos of the Lumia 920 destroying the Samsung Galaxy S III's camera

Low light Photography


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d2tERSOKDA


Optical Image Stabilization


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czIrXlkNHOw

^

Very Impressive . . .That should put to bed the counter claims of the Lumia 920 antagonist

i thot the new king in town is d iphone 5?

so y r u nokia pple still posting GS 3 videos? go and destroy i 5 too na.

oh ok i forgot, thats not the competition eh? even u folks know wassup eh?

4llerbuntu: i thot the new king in town is d iphone 5?

so y r u nokia pple still posting GS 3 videos? go and destroy i 5 too na.

oh ok i forgot, thats not the competition eh? even u folks know wassup eh?

I don't get you and the king stuff.
The iPhone just got released while the 920 hasn't been released yet. For now those who have access to it are are really anonymous.

So yes comparisons with the iPhone 5 will soon start to tricke in just like this one taken at Photokina (the largest trade show in the imaging industry) where Nokia is exhibiting it and the 808. That is very very impressive to say the least. I mean its being exhibited beside the industries best.

4llerbuntu: i thot the new king in town is d iphone 5?

so y r u nokia pple still posting GS 3 videos? go and destroy i 5 too na.

oh ok i forgot, thats not the competition eh? even u folks know wassup eh?

Today is Sunday. iPhone 5 was released only 2 days ago (Friday). Those videos were uploaded before Friday.

Hope that helps...since you've apparently given your brains the day off.

The Lumia 920 has more appeal to me than the i5. It seems that will be my new purchase. . . next year

Bawss1: The Lumia 920 has more appeal to me than the i5. It seems that will be my new purchase. . . next year

well if not for the fact i know MS is a shitty company that will prolly mess this opportunity up, i believe the Iphone 5 has just let a window of opportunity in for the Lumia series.

if only they would get the damn thing out and it corresponds with all the marketing.

after the fanboy and me too hysteria has settled, its becoming clear that its not really a compelling release from Apple. sure its the tried and tested formula, but really you cannot say that there is not a window of opportunity for a fresh competitor with the chops to match Apple.

other than the apps ecosystem, i do not see how the Iphone bests a Nokia/WP8 combo. all the sticks that Apple trumps as being the factor that makes them stand out ae present on Nokia's phones plus the added novelty.



whats left is RIM to make a good showing next year and i will be a happy camper.


just in case you are wondering about my tone u need not. i remain committed to my android ecosystem, i thrive best in it. im just happy because i sense that the only thing that will push google into fixing the shortcomings on android is stiff competition.

this time next year i fully expect android to be much better than it is now, which is something to behold given that the competition for now are not essentially better.


NB: you can save the fanboy commenting that im sure will follow, i am not interested. #in case you haven't noticed.

Fan boys war.

attention please.

allow me to officially congratulate RIM.

with today's presentation at the jam they have achieved parity with nokia/ms. and in some ways surpassed em.

see y Nokia should have released asap!

2013. is gonna be interesting.

hopefully this one wont take forever to boot and wont crash so often.

i still. marvel at how these cats were able to get everybody to adopt that POS os/phone.
i guess happy days are here again for the pinging folks.

I'd like to see the carrier that will retain unlimited BIS on this ones.

^ Funny thing is that many of the BB fans on NL did't even know of the RIM 2012 jam.

4llerbuntu: attention please.

allow me to officially congratulate RIM.

with today's presentation at the jam they have achieved parity with nokia/ms. and in some ways surpassed em.

see y Nokia should have released asap!

2013. is gonna be interesting.

BUHAAHAHAHAHA

Surely you're not serious!

Look, listen to me slowly.

The iPhone 5 is sucking out the oxygen from most other phones now...but eventually some calm should settle.
In October, Microsoft will release Windows 8. 99% of the computers that will be bought during Black Friday will run Windows 8. Hundreds of millions worldwide will update. The first thing you see when you boot up is the Metro interface
In November WP8 handsets will arrive. Nokia's exciting Lumia 920 will show up, along with the Samsung Ativ 8 and the HTC Wp8 phones. These will sell decently especially with the strong similarity between Win 8 Metro and WP8.

In November Samsung will release the Galaxy Note II. Expectedly, review scores will be high. The GN II is good for at least 3 million unit sales in North America.

By December, Christmas sales will comprise of these phones...and most people will spend their available cash in the Christmas shopping frenzy.

By January 2013, CES 2013 will come around. CES is usually when the best and brightest of the new SoCs are shown off. Samsung will stay away as usual, but expect the next wave of Motorola, HTC, Sony and LG hardware, running on A15 CPUs and much more powerful GPUs. Specs lovers will be tempted to wait.

By say February when BB10 launches, most folks would have been snapped up by the other competitors.

This is the massive mountain RIM has yet to climb.

PS: please remember I did not mention the rumored Nexus phone from RIM in Q4 2012 or early Q1 2013. That's good for another couple of million sales too.

Yeah, i thought along your line of argument.

i have always been one of the staunchest advocates banging on about the death of RIM/BB. just ask v3

i followed the presentation yesterday. matter of fact i was kind of surprised by what they put up.

now they are yet to announce any hardware, they are yet to announce prices or dates.

BUT i asked my self one critical question: why did pple dump blackberry? i believe it was because it was a backward POS phone with a dead OS and no wow factor.

it was not because it suddenly killed them to use it, (truth be told it usually felt that way to me sha )


so i went further and said, if RIM turned up with a marketing blitz and a new phone/OS that matched what the competition had in looks, apps, hardware specs, etc etc etc. would people be interested in buying it, rather than say for example an Iphone?

By January 2013, CES 2013 will come around. CES is usually when the best and brightest of the new SoCs are shown off. Samsung will stay away as usual, but expect the next wave of Motorola, HTC, Sony and LG hardware, running on A15 CPUs and much more powerful GPUs. Specs lovers will be tempted to wait.

By say February when BB10 launches, most folks would have been snapped up by the other competitors.

whats to say RIM do not intend to join the A15 cpu/gpu wave? it would definitely be criminal if they did not join the specs arms race, even apple had to join





i decided i was not a proper subject to answer that question, primarily cos well........ im me.

so i did a short opinion poll from about 30 folks yesterday evening, tech savvy and ignorant alike.

i also floated it online on a few boards, got like 20 responses

the result was weird, EVERYONE said, IF BB MATCHED IOS OR ANDROID IN LOOKS AND PERFORMANCE THEY WOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER GETTING ONE.

somehow they all seemed top classify a BB to be a separate device from any other smartfone!
like it was a class of its own thing! so it was yeah Iphone or android is fine, i would not mind getting a BB in addition.

the primary consideration though seemed to be the looks and effizy!, it simply must look modern for them!

SECONDLY;


i considered that in how many ways does the BB at present differ from the WP8 Nokia?
Nokia has announced some hardware, with fancy bells and whistles and good looks.

RIM is yet to do so. what they will come up with is anybody's guess.

BUT Nokia is not out, RIM are not out.

Nokia's primary claim to fame and attention is the brand name and track record. quite a lot of pple will buy the phones because its the new nokia, and they usually were dependable. everybody wants to relive the nokia fanboy days

RIM has an even larger set of people in this position. they dont get the younger generation because they did not move with the times, now they are playing catch up. if they release products with pizzazz, there is a whole generation ready to pick them up and influence the younger ones to check it out.

"the new blackberry is so coool"


only a few people (relatively lets be honest) actually know WP8 as a quantity. BB10 is precisely in the same category.

and simply because RIM has decided to piggyback on Android, they have made life much much easier for themselves, its easier to convert android apps to BB10 apps. its just a recompile, in 2 weeks its ready. every dev will definitely try their hands at it


from where im standing, its the same position to Nokia bar one!

if they will actually survive long enough to be profitable again.

unfortunately, RIM does not have a sugar daddy to bankroll the drain. if not for MS, i daresay Nokia would have gone under by now.


like i said, fingers crossed, 2013 will be interesting. if you are giving nokia/wp8 a chance then surely u have to give RIM/BB10 a fighting chance too.

u do know that RIM actually has a lot of fanboys too eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNTDUncA44

fola,

not all Android apps are supported by the App player, and loads of them don't have access to the needed APIs to run.
BB10 cannot match iOS and Android in the 'apps' department. Neither can they match Wp8 just yet. They cannot match up at launch or anytime soon.


RIM's upcoming blackberry handsets are pretty much done. We've seen loads of leaked photos from the all touchscreen version. It looks good but probably won't faze the heavyweights on iOS and Android.

Nigeria is already blackberry crazy. the peer pressure to get one is immense. RIM desperately needs sales from north america and Europe...and Android and iOS already have those sewed up. WP8 will try and sell handsets in volumes to catch up. RIM's probably gonna get edged out.

Another camera test by engadget



if you like photography, the 920 seems to be the one to beat

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/lumia-920-low-light-shootout/

^^^^^



nope what they announced is different from the app player tripe. that was supposed to be a stop gap measure
the playbook does not run BB10 for now.

actually what they said is that for BB10, it supports apps coded in c++ and some other yada yada software tech mumbo jumbo.
bottom line is that developers can simply recompile their source code for apps developed for android into native BB10 apps.

apparently the time to do so is pretty small and effortless. u don't have to code anything new. they demo-ed a android foursquare app so converted and developed within a week at the Jam.

and actually they did say that they definitely have more apps at launch than any other platform.

the dual profile thingy is also very nice too. fully jumping into the BYOD revolution


i do think that their hardware will make or break them, i saw the leaks too and i dont really think thats all they will release.
besides they committed to doing qwerty and full touch devices so all their bases are covered.

4llerbuntu: ^^^^^



nope what they announced is different from the app player tripe. that was supposed to be a stop gap measure
the playbook does not run BB10 for now.

actually what they said is that for BB10, it supports apps coded in c++ and some other yada yada software tech mumbo jumbo.
bottom line is that developers can simply recompile their source code for apps developed for android into native BB10 apps.

apparently the time to do so is pretty small and effortless. u don't have to code anything new. they demo-ed a android foursquare app so converted and developed within a week at the Jam.

and actually they did say that they definitely have more apps at launch than any other platform.

the dual profile thingy is also very nice too. fully jumping into the BYOD revolution


i do think that their hardware will make or break them, i saw the leaks too and i dont really think thats all they will release.
besides they committed to doing qwerty and full touch devices so all their bases are covered.

LMFAO!

'more apps at launch' is a stupid thing for RIM to say.

iOS launched with zero apps in 2007. Android with very few apps. Ditto for Wp7 and WebOS. But all these platforms have racked up hundreds of thousands of apps now.

RIM is launching BB10 with an app count probably less than 20000. They kept up with the misinformation about having 105000 apps in appword, happily forgetting to mention that most of those apps are BBOS apps that will not work on BB10.

Porting an app from Android or iOS isn't the main time factor. Building in an interface native to that platform is another thing. apps like foursquare aren't very intricate and can be ported easier than porting lets say the FPSE PSX emulator from Android.

well goodluck to them.

this is their first attempt in my view at a true smartfone os.
i simply cannot accept that a BB tour for example is a smartphone

i know im not buying one unless its dashed me by the office. i just hope they dont disappoint their fans.
V3 is a big BB fan, he has been dying to get a BB10 fone, serious rooting for them

texazzpete: Another camera test by engadget



if you like photography, the 920 seems to be the one to beat

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/lumia-920-low-light-shootout/

I know my S3 takes far better pictures than that article cited. Unless 'night mode' was switched off.