holyvirgin:
pls stop following me @serialkiller *continues d rosary and bumps into this* no we pray to God almighty through Jesus christ by D power of d holyspirit. * d 5th sorrowful mystery*

Hahahahah it's seriallink not serialkiller... I guess holy mary told u that 2 huh? I'm following u bcoz u searched & posted my name on a public forum

plappville:

“The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN...that they may provoke me to anger” —Jeremiah 7:18

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Dear Mother, pls pray for this your daughter Plappville. That she may see the things that we see and know what we know, especially about you. Help her to allign herself back to your son's church and through it, come to understand his word in its fullness. Dear Jesus, please have mercy on all the who show denigration for Yourself and your Mother out of ignorance and hard-heartedness. Soften their hearts and illuminate their minds to understand who you are and the relationship between yourself and your mother.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.

In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

ijawkid:

Surprisingly I'm only familiar with x-mas(the birth day of the almighty GOD,..as if God had a birth day).....but mary's birth day eludes me....

Abeg wheÑ was mÀry born??

yeah God the son has a birthday and so does his mother, today catholics celebrate the birth of mary.

ijawkid:


U people bow down to her image not even the real mary and u define it as not worshipping a goddess...

But I tire for ona o..

The apostles who even saw mary never bowed down to her to venerate her..

Did they??

the israelite bow before, danced and prostrated before the ark of the covenant and the moulding of the cherubim with it. Did they worship the ark and the cherubim Go and study your bible and stop screaming idol worship.

hmmm!Mary birth day again immaculate God mama how does that help eradicate d ever-increasing propensity to sin by mankind .

seriallink:

So u think praying through mary would change things huh? Whatever happened to praying to God directly I have neva prayed to God through mary but He has been answering my prayers. I only pray to God through His son Jesus who died for my sins... Wake up holyvirgin, this trinity doctrine is confusing you!

rev5:8 shows that my prayer thru the saints goes to God thru christ, whether you like it or not doesnt concern me. I can also go to God thru christ and ask the angels and saints to join me as the psalmist does.

Ubenedictus: it seem you will never learn, the fada son and spirit are 3 distinct persons but 1 God. So mary is not the moda of the holyspirit. She is the moda of God the son (GOD IN THE flesh)

3 distinct persons but 1 GOD.....

I never see that kin thing for my bible b4.....

3 distinct persons shuld mean 3 GODs not 1 GOD....

Na small pikin u dey talk to??

3 persons don't make up 1 GOD.......

holyvirgin:
y ar u contradictin u? U dn't blive that mary is d mother of 'God' bt u celebrate d birthday of d 'Almighty God' deliverd by who on earth? lol

Sory my freind...

I don't celebrate xmas....

I was just saying I only see persons celebrating the false birth day of Christ.....

Never heard of mary's birth day b4....so when was mary born??

E dey bible??

holyvirgin:
their are no 3 gods, bt 3 persons in one God. Let me introduce all of u 2 a book cald 'good morning holyspirit' by benny hinn. He explains d mystery of d trinity wit scriptural backings.

Is God not suppose to be a person??

How can 3 persons now become 1 GOD....??

3 persons = 3 GODS.....

3 persons = 1 GOD is not taught in the bible....

Thank u!!!

Ubenedictus: yeah God the son has a birthday and so does his mother, today catholics celebrate the birth of mary.

When was God the Son born??what's his birth day??

And when was mary also born??

Please use d bible.....

Even if its a prophecy please show me....

Seriallink are you ok? You quote my post and wrote about 'holyvirgin' did you see the word holy virgin in my post?

seriallink:

Do u mean all virgins are holy? Holy mary indeed.... Is it bcoz she was chosen to be the mother of Christ? Prophet Hosea was also told by Yahweh to take a prostitude for a wife, how do u explain that?

was the prostitute a virgin? Did the prostitute give birth to God in the flesh? Did God reveal that the prostitute was blessed among women? Or can you show me anyone thru out scripture that the bible call "kecharitomene"?

God is unpredictable, u can't understand His ways; God uses whoever He wants, anywhere, anytime; so for u to say God chooses mary to be the mother of christ bcoz she was a virgin & without sin, it's a complete WRONG IDEA!!

i believe God prepared her from her conception to be the mother of the savior,

U catholics are just confused with some crazy doctrines....it's all paganism!

just personal attacks.

Why worship mary? Tell me....Is she God?

catholic dont give mary latria mary we honor her as the moda of the savior, latria is due to God alone.

Why praise her name? U guys are just fvckin' confused... U need help....

i think you are the person who needs help, what did you bible say? "Honor ur father and moda", the word traslated as honor here is 'kamboda' it literally means to glorify. Christ was born subject to the law and he honored "kamboda" his moda, we just follow his footsteps.

bigmaut: hmmm!Mary birth day again immaculate God mama how does that help eradicate d ever-increasing propensity to sin by mankind .

it is an encouragement, if thru Gods grace a human was free from sin, then im encourage that by God's grace i can send sin away.
Just a thought.

ijawkid:

3 distinct persons but 1 GOD.....

I never see that kin thing for my bible b4.....

3 distinct persons shuld mean 3 GODs not 1 GOD....

Na small pikin u dey talk to??

3 persons don't make up 1 GOD.......

that is becos u are thinking with human wisdom where 1person equal 1being, in animals, one being equals no person, in God on God 3 persons.

Ubenedictus: the israelite bow before, danced and prostrated before the ark of the covenant and the moulding of the cherubim with it. Did they worship the ark and the cherubim Go and study your bible and stop screaming idol worship.

Lol.......

Did they bow down to the ark out of there own impulse??where they commanded to or not??

Where u commanded to bow down to mary's image from d bible??

In essence u might be saying that mary's image has replaced the ark d isrealites bowed down to...

Show from d bible where persons moulded an image of mary or even Jesus and bowed down to it.....

If Jews who became christians stopped bowing down to the ark in the holy of holies and also images of the cherubs,why shuld christians today bow down to any image??

Even the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed along with the ark and everytin....

Show me from d scriptures where christians were commanded to bow down to mary's image..

This is idolatry my freind.....absolute idolatry.......!!!!!!

ijawkid:

Sory my freind...

I don't celebrate xmas....

I was just saying I only see persons celebrating the false birth day of Christ.....

Never heard of mary's birth day b4....so when was mary born??

E dey bible??

that is becos your sole interest is in asking which day is the day? The important thing is remembering that the my savior is born. Go on and argue abt d day.

Ubenedictus: Seriallink are you ok? You quote my post and wrote about 'holyvirgin' did you see the word holy virgin in my post?

Sorry about that, it wasn't u I wanted posting that to. Anyways, from ur reply I sensed u are catholic....it's okay, 'Honor ur fada & moda huh? I guess I know why you HONOR her now! for me, I don't know her, I pray to God directly....shikena

Now you are funny, what a joke. The bible show people of God making images like the cherubim and it was put in their worship place and they bowed before the ark, you have no problem with that yet you go all red when catholic us image, hypocrisy.

ijawkid:

Lol.......

Did they bow down to the ark out of there own impulse??where they commanded to or not??

Where u commanded to bow down to mary's image from d bible??

In essence u might be saying that mary's image has replaced the ark d isrealites bowed down to...

Show from d bible where persons moulded an image of mary or even Jesus and bowed down to it.....

If Jews who became christians stopped bowing down to the ark in the holy of holies and also images of the cherubs,why shuld christians today bow down to any image??

Even the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed along with the ark and everytin....

Show me from d scriptures where christians were commanded to bow down to mary's image..

This is idolatry my freind.....absolute idolatry.......!!!!!!

Ubenedictus: that is becos your sole interest is in asking which day is the day? The important thing is remembering that the my savior is born. Go on and argue abt d day.

If the day God d son was born is not important then why celebrate it??what are u celebrating??

And when was mary born??just give me a date....

Ubenedictus: Now you are funny, what a joke. The bible show people of God making images like the cherubim and it was put in their worship place and they bowed before the ark, you have no problem with that yet you go all red when catholic us image, hypocrisy.

Hey listen bro...this aint hypocrisy.........

U haven't answered my question"

Were d isrealites instructed to make images of cherubs to decorate the temple??

And did they worship those cherubs??

Just answer these questions.....

holyvirgin:
onukwu what ar u blesin her 4? U guy's claim u knw d scriptures bt u argue blindly. catholics worshp God and hm alone would we serve. Foolish ppl, u reverre, honour and respect ur earthly parents bt stil nt regard d mother of christ bt treat her lyk trash.

anu ohia. She is dead! She cnt hear u!

frosbel:


See who is calling who Pagans, LOL.


Common you guys worship :

1. Three gods in the Trinity
2. Mary
3. Dead Saints

May God forgive you, for if you the meaning of ur statement u will surely be sorry.

Hbd to the Virgin of virgins, Ark of the covenant, Refuge of sinners, Comfort of the afficted, Help of Christians, Seat of Wisdom, Cause of our Joy, Spiritual Vessel, Tower of Ivory, House of Gold... Queen of Nigeria n Queen of Peace, make me a reflectn of ur faithfulness. Amen

Holyvirgin you are wrong:
Biblically, Mary was a dirty, rotten, vile, sinneR—just like you and me, and everyone else. The only sinless Person to ever walk this earth was the Lord Jesus Christ Himself (2nd Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 4:15)
Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin.
2 Corinthians 5:21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Mary was a sinner and needed a Savior just like everyone else. In fact, Mary called Jesus “God my Saviour” in Luke 1:47. Jesus is the precious Savior! Luke 2:11, “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.”

PREMISE FOR MY ASSUMPTION

There are seven distinct ages(dispensation) throughout the entire gamut of Human history. They start and end in paradise.Human history begins with Paradise Lost(Eden); it ends with Paradise Restored(Heaven).
The seven ages are:
1. The Age of Innocence
2. The Age of Conscience
3. The Age of Human Government
4. The Age of Promise
5. The Mosaic Law
6. The Dispensation of Grace
7. The Millennial Reign of Christ and the Redeemed.
I dont have the time to explain everything,but I will explain the ones relevant to our discussion.
In the dispensation of law, God gave detailed instructions about how to live, how to structure society, and how to live justly and righteously as a nation. The people said this was good; they could implement these laws and create an upright society. They said in Exodus 19:8 , “All the Lord has spoken we will do.”
At Mount Sinai, the Israelites encamped, and Moses went up to the mountain to hear the Word of the Lord. For them, that Word is the law. This is not just the Ten Commandments written by the finger of God on tablets of stone, but the 613 moral and ceremonial laws contained inthe books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

The Dispensation of Grace is what we sometimes call the churchage. It is highly relevant to us, because we live in this age. For the first five ages, we can only look back in history to see how God worked in the past. But in this age,we can see how God is working now. The sacrificial death of Jesus Christ on the cross introduced a dispensation of unmerited favor, called grace. Instead of requiring man to live righteously by keeping the law,the righteousness of Another, is imputed to undeserving men and women.
Perhaps the most pertinent scripture for this age is where Paul said: By grace we are saved through faith and not ourworks. Ephesians 2:8-9 .

Mary was born during the dispensation of Law,which means the basis for her justification,will be her obedient to the mosiac law.So if she sinned all she had to do was offer the necessary sacrifice to atone for the sin
“And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, whichwas so named ofthe angel before he was conceived in thewomb. And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him tothe Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male thatopeneth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.” (Luke 2:21-24)
In the passage above, we are given further proof that Mary was a mere mortal like the rest of us. Mary observed the Jewish Law and she did exactly what that Law told her to do (see Leviticus 12:1- . Mary was unclean for seven days and on the eighth day she brought Jesus to be physically circumcised, in accordance with Leviticus 12:2-3.Mary then continued in her days of purification (33 days) because that was what was required of her under the Jewish law (Leviticus 12:4). Mary then brought forth the required sacrifices as is written in the following scripture:
“And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean.” (Leviticus 12:
As recorded in Luke’s gospel account (Luke 2:24), Mary brought forth the offerings required in “the law of the Lord.” It is most important that you see that one of the offerings was for the burnt offering and the other one was for a SIN offering.

To declare that the Jewish virgin Mary was conceived without sin is to dispute and contradict scripture. So we may rightly conclude, that according to scripture, Mary was in fact a sinner.
“And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath holpen (helped) his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever. And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.” (Luke 1:46-56)
In the passage above we find Mary giving all the praise and glory to God because he regarded her low (humble)estate. Mary also rejoiced in God her Savior, and we know that only sinners need a Savior.
“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” (Romans 3:10)
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23)
Mary also recognized the fact that the Lord was remembering the mercy that He had promised to Israel through Abraham andHis seed (offspring).
The Lord chose this humble Jewish virgin to bring forth Jesus into the world. He would bring redemption to both Jew and Gentile.
“But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth hisSon, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit ofhis Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.” (Galatians 4:4-6)
The Lord came into this world at just the right time. The fact that Jesus would be born of a virgin was prophesied by Isaiah hundreds of years before the event actually happened!
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” (Isaiah 7:14)
The word Immanuel (or Emmanuel) means God with us, and thattestifies to the deity of Jesus Christ. Jesus would come forth from the womb of this Jewish virgin because Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit. There was no human intimate relations between Mary and a man.

Ofcourse if the catholics say that Mary was Holy,Pure,Immaculate etc,yes they are right,afterall base don the standard then she was pure,she followed the mosiac law,did the necessary attonement for her sin,the only sin she didnt commit was fornication,which was explicitly stated by the bible(virgin).
But portraying Mary as sinless is a lie,fallacy,arrant nonsense and a hoax completely from the pit of hell.
Portraying her as sinless is wrong,
“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” (Romans 3:10)
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23)
Mary was infact a sinner.

There is no basis for comparison of the birth of Jesus with any other person on earth,He was the only person that was born by a virgin(the last time I checked),and His conception was by the overshadowing of the HolySpirit(last time I also checked didnt hear of any other conception by the HolySpirit) so Jesus being Holy shouldnt be a big deal.
So Mary was pure during the conception of Jesus(the scriptures shows that explicitly,but the point that she was sinless has no basis,except you want to prove otherwise).

to be honest,if a person is considering becoming a christian or perhaps still finding his roots in christianity,coming across this thread totally takes him off course.one thing i have learnt over the years is that catholics are just as stubborn and dogmatic as muslims.the truth stares them in the face but they have been so brainwashed that they fail to acknowledge it.to engage in discussion with catholics is to waste valuable time because they will never agree to see the light.

many of them dont even know the history of their church.they dont know why they are called the ROMAN catholic church.they dont know who constantine is.they dont know where the doctrine of trinity,purgatory,limbo,indulgence etc come from.they dont even know that the rosary was invented in the 11th century by peter the hermit.

Bélla3: anu ohia. She is dead! She cnt hear u!

Jesus said those who believe in him will live forever.

Do you believe that?

Delafruita: to be honest,if a person is considering becoming a christian or perhaps still finding his roots in christianity,coming across this thread totally takes him off course.one thing i have learnt over the years is that catholics are just as stubborn and dogmatic as muslims.the truth stares them in the face but they have been so brainwashed that they fail to acknowledge it.to engage in discussion with catholics is to waste valuable time because they will never agree to see the light.

You want Catholics to be gullible like pentecostals that run around like sheep without shepherd from pillar to post abi. No! It's true, talking to us about leaving our faith is to waste valuable time. We will never agree to see that blurry inferior light with which you operate. Why? Because we have seen the true and clear light of the world.

Delafruita: many of them dont even know the history of their church.they dont know why they are called the ROMAN catholic church.they dont know who constantine is.they dont know where the doctrine of trinity,purgatory,limbo,indulgence etc come from.they dont even know that the rosary was invented in the 11th century by peter the hermit.

How many pentecostals know the history of pentecostalism? Anglicans, Methodists etc. Very few. So why single out the Catholics? We Catholics are even better off than you. Some of us might not know the 2000 year history of the Church but our Religious leaders and teachers know and we trust them to use that knowledge to guide us and form us. Compare that with pentecostalism which is barely 200years old yet even most of the seemingly popular pastors don't know its history, talk less of the headless chickens following them.

ijawkid:

If the day God d son was born is not important then why celebrate it??

i dont celebrate the day, i celebrate his birth.

what are u celebrating??

im celebrating that my savior is born, im telling the world that im not a jew who is still expecting the messiah, nor a gentile who doesn't know the mesiah, the wall of partition has been broken in christ Jesus and im very happy that he was born. Imagine the marvel God unleashed on the world thru the birth of christ. The began a new creation, why cant a jehova witness celebrate that? Why?

And when was mary born??just give me a date....

her birth is celebrated on sept 8. ha! Jehova witness, i dont celebrate d day, i celebrate a reality. A simple reality that christ was born.

Delafruita: to be honest,if a person is considering becoming a christian or perhaps still finding his roots in christianity,coming across this thread totally takes him off course.

tell me how it takes them off course, so you find it wrong to celebrate the birth of the mother of the saviour? It is your comments that takes pipo off course becos you go about talking about Jesus moda without respect

one thing i have learnt over the years is that catholics are just as stubborn and dogmatic as muslims.the truth stares them in the face but they have been so brainwashed that they fail to acknowledge it.to engage in discussion with catholics is to waste valuable time because they will never agree to see the light.

hahaha, it seem you are describing yourself.

many of them dont even know the history of their church.they dont know why they are called the ROMAN catholic church.they dont know who constantine is.they dont know where the doctrine of trinity,purgatory,limbo,indulgence etc come from.they dont even know that the rosary was invented in the 11th century by peter the hermit.

heck my friend you have been brainwashed, what concerns the catholic church and constantine, constatine was d emperor that made xtainity the oficial religion of the roman empire. He wasnt even oficially a xtian until he was on his deathbed, and in case you dont know constantine wasnt a theologian. And the word roman was added to the name 'catholic' when protestants and schimatic started to adopt the name 'catholic'.
Do you know the history of the protestant church? It is a pity you dont belong to a church founded by christ and his apostles. Your group of merryband was started by an excominicated priest, an heritic. Do you still want to talk about history of your church?
Peace

k2039: Ofcourse if the catholics say that Mary was Holy,Pure,Immaculate etc,yes they are right,afterall base don the standard then she was pure,she followed the mosiac law,did the necessary attonement for her sin,the only sin she didnt commit was fornication,which was explicitly stated by the bible(virgin).
But portraying Mary as sinless is a lie,fallacy,arrant nonsense and a hoax completely from the pit of hell.

hahaha, u are now the new bible right?

Portraying her as sinless is wrong,
“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” (Romans 3:10)
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23)
Mary was infact a sinner.

go and learn to interprete scripture 'all have sined', "none is righteous" they are generalisation, and like generalisation they have exceptions. Did Jesus sin Yet d bible say all has sined, was Jesus righteous? Yet the bible say no one is righteous rm4:9 shows that abraham was righteous, another exception. My friend go and learn about the use of generalisation in scriptures.

There is no basis for comparison of the birth of Jesus with any other person on earth,He was the only person that was born by a virgin(the last time I checked),and His conception was by the overshadowing of the HolySpirit(last time I also checked didnt hear of any other conception by the HolySpirit) so Jesus being Holy shouldnt be a big deal.

is anybody contesting the holiness of Jesus?

So Mary was pure during the conception of Jesus(the scriptures shows that explicitly,but the point that she was sinless has no basis,except you want to prove otherwise).

the scriptures showed that she possesed a plentiful of grace before the birth of christ. How do you explain that uh?

Ubenedictus:
Yet the bible say no one is righteous rm4:9 shows that abraham was righteous, another exception. My friend go and learn about the use of generalisation in scriptures.

Abraham was righteous based on the requirement then(dispensation of promise).The fact that Abraham was righteous didnt mean that he didnt sin(afterall am also righteous 2Cor5:21).
I never said Mary was not righteous(if she wasnt the HolySpirit wouldnt have overshadowed her).
My contention is portraying Mary has sinless.

Ubenedictus:

go and learn to interprete scripture 'all have sined', "none is righteous" they are generalisation, and like generalisation they have exceptions. Did Jesus sin Yet d bible say all has sined, was Jesus righteous? My friend go and learn about the use of generalisation in scriptures.

Tell me someone who has not sin aside from Jesus,if all generalisation is/are wrong........(waiting).

You should know that those scriptures you were quoting was written/quoted by Paul,and he was definitely pointing towards Jesus as the only Sinless person(so is generalisation excluded only Jesus(except you ready to show me anyother person also excluded).And Paul made it clear that Jesus was sinless(excluded from his generalisation)(2Cor5:21)