The Woman of Revelation 12

[size=14pt]God’s Word Lays Out the Future in Advance[/size]

Throughout Scripture, God has revealed to us the things that will take place in the
future. In fact, the Lord assures us that He does nothing unless He reveals His plan to His
servants the prophets.
Surely the Lord GOD does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His
servants the prophets (Amos 3:7).
Interestingly, the Bible has more to say about the last days than any other period in
history. And today these events are unfolding before our very eyes.
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This article will look
at one of these developments through the lens of Scripture.
Global Marian Apparitions
One of the most significant trends occurring in our day is the worldwide Marian
apparitions. These reported apparitions represent perhaps the greatest display of
supernatural activity since the time of Christ’s first advent.
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If these manifestations are as
prolific and widespread as reported, then we should expect that the Bible would
anticipate these major global events.

Interestingly, there is only one chapter in the Bible that identifies a benevolent
“woman” on the scene during earth’s final days. The chapter is Revelation 12. In the first
verse of this chapter we read: “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman
clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve
stars.”
According to many Marian visionaries this is exactly how the apparition appears. In
addition, the apparition’s messages often state that she is the “woman clothed with the
sun” or, more commonly, the “Queen of Heaven.” Here are two examples:
In the Apocalypse [the Book of Revelation], I have been announced as the
Woman Clothed with the Sun who will conduct the battle against the Red
Dragon and all his followers. If you want to second my plan, you must do
battle, my little ones, children of a Mother who is Leader.
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Beloved sons, live in my peace. Today you are calling to mind my first
apparition which took place in the poor Cova da Iria in Fatima. I came
down from heaven as your Mother and Queen. I manifested myself to you
in the splendor of my immaculate light. I appeared as the Woman Clothed
with the Sun, who has the task of forming for herself her cohort, for the
decisive moments of battle.
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[size=14pt] The Woman of Revelation 12 [/size]

Is it the Marian apparition to which God is referring in Revelation 12? Does the
Revelation 12 woman anticipate the apparition’s last day’s role? How does this prophetic
passage relate to the rest of the Scriptures? Let’s read the first five verses of this chapter:
Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with
the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then
being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. And
another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having
seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail drew
a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon
stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child
as soon as it was born. She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations
with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne
(Revelation 12:1-5).
When we think of a woman who gives birth to “a male Child who was to rule the
nations,” Mary the mother of Jesus naturally comes to mind. However, the Bible explains
that “the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are

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Fr. Don Stefano Gobbi, To The Priests: Our Lady’s Beloved Sons, St. Francis, ME, The National
Headquarters of the Marian Movement of Priests in the United States of America, 1998, p. 333. Message
given to Father Gobbi who is the head of the Marian Movement of Priests. Message received on December
8, 1982.
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Ibid., p. 563. Message received on May 13, 1988, while Father Gobbi was in Marienfried, Germany

foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1
Corinthians 2:14).
With that admonition in mind, let’s look at the context of this passage and examine
the whole counsel of God’s Word to see what the Spirit of God intend

[size=14pt]Joseph’s Dream in Genesis 37[/size]

Throughout the Book of Revelation, the Holy Spirit uses imagery from the Old
Testament. In fact, the Book of Revelation has scores of allusions to the Old Testament.
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Revelation 12 is no exception.
In studying the OT it is apparent that the “woman clothed with the sun, and the moon
under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars” is a direct reference to
Joseph’s dream recorded in the Book of Genesis. Here is Joseph’s dream:
[Joseph] dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, and said,
“Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon,
and the eleven stars bowed down to me.” So he told it to his father (Israel)
and his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this
dream that you have dreamed? Shall your mother and I and your brothers
indeed come to bow down to the earth before you?” (Genesis 37:9-10).
Joseph was one of the twelve sons of Israel. From his dream we are shown that the
sun, the moon, and the twelve stars represent Israel and his family. Israel – formerly
called Jacob – had twelve sons from which emerge the twelve tribes of Israel. And it is
through Israel’s seed that God promises to bring forth His Son – the Messiah – Jesus
Christ.
In the Book of Genesis, God repeatedly promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob
(Israel) that “in you and in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
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This
is a direct reference to the Messiah.
Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say,
“And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is
Christ (Galatians 3:16).
The apostle John, who authored the Book of Revelation, was a Jewish believer. He
and his first century audience would have surely understood that the sign of this woman
refers back to Joseph’s dream and therefore represents Israel.

[size=14pt]Israel Found in Revelation Chapters 7, 12, 14, and 21[/size]

In fact the entire context of the Book of Revelation demands this interpretation. For
we see that prior to the Revelation 12 reference to Israel, John lists all twelve tribes of
Israel by name in chapter 7. In this chapter the twelve tribes of Israel are listed and sealed
by God for protection and salvation (Revelation 7:1-.

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Chuck Missler, The Book of Revelation: a Commentary, Coeur d'Alene, ID, Koinonia House, 2005.
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Genesis 12:3; 22:18; 26:4; 28:14; etc.

And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and fortyfour thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed
(Revelation 7:4).
They appear again in Revelation 12 – this time persecuted by, but protected from, the
dragon. Then they appear in Revelation 14:1-5 as redeemed from the earth and singing
before the throne of God.
Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him
one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on
their forehead. …They sang as it were a new song before the throne,
before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that
song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from
the earth (Revelation 14:1, 3).
Finally, to assure us that the woman of Revelation 12 is Israel, she appears once more
at the end of the Book of Revelation – this time as the Lamb’s (Christ’s) bride coming
down out of heaven:
Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of
heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. … “Come,
I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife.” And he carried me away in
the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the
holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, having the glory of
God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as
crystal. Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve
angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the
twelve tribes of the children of Israel. … And the wall of the city had
twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the
Lamb. (Revelation 21:2, 9-12, 14).
Why is it important that the true Israel is presented as the Lamb’s bride at the end of
the Book of Revelation? How does this relate to the rest of the Scriptures?

[size=14pt]Israel is the Lord’s Wife[/size]

A review of the Old Testament will greatly enhance our understanding of these
passages. In the Old Testament, Israel is often referred to as God’s wife.
For your Maker is your husband, the Lord of hosts is His name; and your
Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel; He is called the God of the whole
earth (Isaiah 54:5).
“Return, O backsliding children,” says the Lord; “for I am married to you.
I will take you…and I will bring you to Zion.” (Jeremiah 3:14).

I have likened the daughter of Zion to a lovely and delicate woman
(Jeremiah 6:2).
Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new
covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah – not
according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I
took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant
which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord
(Jeremiah 31:31-32).
These and other references confirm that the Lord’s wife is Israel.
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This is the imagery
that John receives depicting the true Israel as the Lord’s faithful and pure wife in
Revelation chapter 21.
In addition, Jesus (who is God) said, “I and My Father are one” (John 10:30).
Consequently in the New Testament it is no surprise to see that Christ is also depicted as
married to His church.
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And God’s Word teaches that the church consists first of Jewish
believers and then of Gentile believers.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to
salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the
Greek [Gentile] (Romans 1:16).
Therefore the Revelation 21 bride is the true Israel – consisting of Jewish and Gentile
believers – united forever with the Lord. In contrast, nowhere in the Bible is Mary
portrayed as the bride or wife of the Lord.

[size=14pt]Israel Portrayed as a Woman in Labor[/size]

Further, Israel is repeatedly portrayed as a woman in labor. This is the imagery
utilized in Revelation 12 to depict Israel’s birth pangs in the last days. These labor pains
will usher in the return of the King of the Jews. Here are some of the Old Testament
passages that highlight this:
Before [Israel] was in labor, she gave birth; before her pain came, she
delivered a male child (Isaiah 66:7).
For I have heard a voice as of a woman in labor, the anguish as of her who
brings forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion bewailing
herself… (Jeremiah 4:31).
For pangs have seized you like a woman in labor. Be in pain, and labor to
bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in birth pangs. For now you
shall go forth from the city, you shall dwell in the field, and to Babylon

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See also: Psalm 45:10-17; Ezekiel 16:8-16; 32; Hosea 2:19-20; etc.
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Matthew 22:2; John 3:29; Romans 7:4; 2 Corinthians 11:2-3; Ephesians 5:25-27, 32

you shall go. There you shall be delivered; there the Lord will redeem you
from the hand of your enemies (Micah 4:9-10).
Therefore He shall give them up, until the time that she who is in labor has
given birth; then the remnant of His brethren shall return to the children of
Israel (Micah 5:3).
These and other Old Testament passages picture Israel laboring with birth pangs in
the final days leading to Christ’s return.

[size=14pt]God Isn’t Through with Israel[/size]

To further support that it is Israel which God refers to in Revelation 12, we must
remember that during the Tribulation, God again deals with the nation Israel. Ezekiel 36-
39; Daniel 9:24-27; Daniel 12; Zechariah 12-14; Revelation 7; 11; 14 and many
additional passages underscore this fact. The period described in Revelation chapters 6-
19, is even called the time of Jacob’s trouble.
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Alas! For that day is great, so that none is like it; it is even the time of
Jacob's [a.k.a. Israel’s] trouble; but he shall be saved out of it (Jeremiah
30:7).
In addition, God spends three chapters in the Book of Romans (chapters 9-11)
explaining that He is not through with Israel. These chapters conclude with God’s
promise to deliver Israel in the last days: “And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
‘The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob’”
(Romans 11:26). This agrees with the deliverance we see in the Book of Revelation.

[size=14pt]Israel’s Repentance and Supplication Will Usher in Christ’s Return[/size]

Zechariah chapters 12-14 provide further insight. In these chapters, we discover that it
is Israel’s repentance in the last days that gives birth, or literally ushers in Jesus’ Second
Coming. Zechariah explains that Jesus is considered Israel’s firstborn Son and that during
the last days the Jews will cry out to the Lord and finally recognize Jesus as their longawaited Deliverer.
And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem
the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they
pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and
grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn (Zechariah 12:10).

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See also: Isaiah 26:17-18; Isaiah 66:7-13; Jeremiah 6:24; Jeremiah 13:21.
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God changed Jacob’s name to Israel (Genesis 35:10). Therefore the Tribulation period is specifically the
time of Israel’s trouble. Corroborating this fact, we find that the church is not mentioned once in Revelation
chapters 6-19. The true church is removed prior to the Tribulation (Revelation 3:10; 4:1; 1 Thessalonians
4:13-18; 5:9; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52; etc.).

Israel’s supplication and mourning for their only Son, their firstborn Son,
Jesus Christ, will usher in His return. This is why the dragon hates the woman in
Revelation 12. If he can destroy the Jewish nation, then Jesus will not return. Of
course we are assured that the enemy will be defeated and God and His people
will triumph!

[size=14pt]More Confirmation that Revelation 12 Refers to Israel[/size]

There are additional clues that confirm that the Revelation 12 woman refers to Israel.
For instance, Michael the archangel and his angels fight with the dragon and his angels –
casting them down to the earth (Revelation 12:7-9).
It is no coincidence that the Old Testament Book of Daniel identifies Michael as “the
great prince who stands watch over the [Jewish people]” (Daniel 12:1). How fitting then
it is to have Michael fighting on behalf of the people of Israel in Revelation 12.
More affirmation is found in Daniel chapter 9. In verses 24-27 we are told that the
final seven years of history will be the time that God again deals with the Jews. This final
week, or seven-year period, will commence when the antichrist confirms a peace
covenant for seven years. But in the middle of the week (at the 3 ½ year mid-point),
antichrist will break his covenant with the Jews and persecute them (v. 27). This
corresponds with Revelation 12:6 where the woman (Israel) flees to the wilderness for
one thousand two hundred and sixty days – or 3 ½ years (see also: Revelation 12:14).
Finally, the flood that the serpent spews out of his mouth to cause the woman to be
carried away represents the antichrist’s persecution of the Jews during the Tribulation.
Both the Book of Revelation (Revelation 12:15-16) and the Book of Daniel (Daniel 9:26;
11:22) use the same imagery of a flood to represent the trouble and persecution that will
come upon the nation during this period.
In fact the imagery of a flood signifying enemy forces against God’s people is used
regularly in the Word of God.
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Who is this coming up like a flood, whose waters move like the rivers?
Egypt [Israel’s adversary] rises up like a flood, and its waters move like
the rivers; and he says, “I will go up and cover the earth, I will destroy the
city and its inhabitants.” Come up, O horses, and rage, O chariots! And let
the mighty men come forth” (Jeremiah 46:7-9)

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There are many more reasons that the Revelation 12 woman cannot be Mary or the church. For example,
the woman of Revelation 12 cannot be the church because this woman is pregnant with child (v. 2).
Scripture tells us that Christ is espoused to a chaste virgin (2 Corinthians 11:2) – who is the church
(Ephesians 5:25-27, 29). Revelation 19:7-9 assures us that when Christ’s espoused virgin is presented to
Him for marriage, she will be clean and white. It would make no biblical sense for Jesus to marry a
pregnant woman (Matthew 22:2). Furthermore, we are told in Revelation 12:2 that this woman is in pain.
This directly contradicts the Catholic doctrine that Mary, as sinless, did not experience the consequences of
the curse, namely, that she was exempt from pain and death. Genesis 3:16 explains that pain in childbirth is
a direct result of the curse. Therefore, if Mary is sinless, she cannot be the woman of Revelation 12 who is
experiencing pain. Of course, the Bible states that all are sinners, but Catholics who hold this position must
acknowledge that they cannot have it both ways.
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See also: 2 Samuel 22:5; Psalm 18:4; Psalm 69:1-2; Isaiah 59:19; Jeremiah 47:1-2; etc.

Now therefore, behold, the Lord brings up over them the waters of the
River, strong and mighty – the king of Assyria and all his glory; he will go
up over all his channels and go over all his banks. He will pass through
Judah, he will overflow and pass over, he will reach up to the neck; and
the stretching out of his wings will fill the breadth of Your land, O
Immanuel (Isaiah 8:7-.
Of course the flood of anti-Semitism is not new; it is found throughout the history of
the Bible. Ever since God declared that He would bring forth His Savior through
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (Israel), and the nation of Israel, we find that over and over again
“Satan stood up against Israel” (1 Chronicles 21:1).
The enemy will try once again to thwart God’s plan, but the Book of Revelation
confirms his defeat.

[size=14pt]Catholic Theologian Agrees[/size]

Roman Catholic theologian Father Hubert J. Richards agrees that the Revelation 12
woman refers to Israel. His book, What The Spirit Says to the Churches: A Key to the
Apocalypse of John, carries the Nihil obstat and Imprimatur of the Roman Catholic
Church.
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Concerning the woman of Revelation 12, Father Richards writes:
The vision proper, then, begins with the figure of a Woman clothed with
the sun and the stars. We think naturally enough of our Lady, to whom this
description has traditionally been applied. After all, we say, of whom else
could John be thinking when he speaks of the mother of the Messiah?
However it is clear from the rest of the chapter that this interpretation will
stand only if the verse is isolated: what follows has very little relevance to
our Lady. Nor is it any honor to Mary to apply any and every text to her
without thought.…
Who then is she? The source to which John has turned for his imagery
throughout this book is the Old Testament. There, the Woman, the bride of
God who brings forth the Messiah, is Israel, the true Israel, the chosen
people of God. It is quite certain that this is what is in John’s mind when
he begins his description with a quotation from Gen. 37:9-10, where the
sun and moon and twelve stars represent the twelve-fold Israel.
This Woman will later be contrasted with the Harlot (the collective
personality of Rome, opposed to the true Israel), and will be specified at
the end of the book, again appearing in light and splendour for her
marriage with the Lamb, as the twelve-gated Jerusalem which forms the
new Israel. In fact the number twelve occurs so frequently in the
Apocalypse in reference to Israel that it cannot have a different meaning

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The Nihil obstat and Imprimatur are a declaration that a book is considered to be free from doctrinal and
moral error. It is not implied that those who have granted the Nihil obstat and Imprimatur agree with the
contents, opinions or statements expressed.

here. All the early Fathers of the Church interpreted these verses as about
the Israel of God.
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While there are some who insist that Mary is the symbol and model of the church and
Revelation 12 refers to both Mary and Israel, this conjecture disagrees with the rest of the
Scriptures. In reviewing God’s entire Word it becomes crystal clear that the Revelation
12 woman depicts Israel, not Mary or the church.

[size=14pt]Exposing the Apparition[/size]

If Revelation 12 does not detail Mary’s role in the last days as the apparition declares,
then the apparition’s claim to be Mary must be deceptive. And because we know that
God would never send Mary back to deceive us, this apparition appearing as a glorious
queen must be an impostor.
Remember that according to God’s Word the woman of Revelation 12 is the only
benevolent woman on the scene during the last days. Who then is behind these global
apparitions? Do the Scriptures anticipate and expose a female last days’ impostor?
Yes! As God has promised, His Word has warned us in advance. In surveying the
entire Bible, there are several passages in both the Old and New Testaments that indicate
that a woman – who is a deceiver – would be on the scene during the end times.
The Bible warns of an alluring woman and queen who will deceive God’s people in
Christ’s name (Revelation 17). God’s Word identifies a lady who will seduce the nations
claiming to be our mother (Isaiah 47). And Scripture cautions of a woman who will be
associated with a curse who flies throughout the earth during the last days (Zechariah 5).
Though these Scriptures will only be touched on in this article, they are examined
thoroughly in the book Queen of All: The Marian apparitions’ plan to unite all religions
under the Roman Catholic Church. The book and DVD Messages From Heaven, also
examine the apparition’s messages and actions in-depth – providing overwhelming
documentation that these manifestations are not Mary but rather a demonic deception.
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[size=14pt]Counterfeiting Scripture[/size]

If God’s Word identifies a last days deceptive woman who comes in Christ’s name
(Revelation 17), and if the Bible warns that many of God’s people will be ensnared by
this queen (Revelation 18:4-7), would it make sense for this entity to counterfeit the
Scriptures in order to deceive multitudes?
Consider the following Marian message received by Father Don Stefano Gobbi – the
head of the Marian Movement of Priests.
I am the Virgin of Revelation…I will bring you to the full understanding
of Sacred Scripture. Above all, I will read to you the pages of its last book,
which you are living. In it, everything is already predicted, even that

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Hubert J. Richards, What the Spirit Says to the Churches: A Key to the Apocalypse of John, New York,
P.J. Kenedy and Sons, 1967, pp. 93, 94.
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These are available to read and view for free at: www.eternal-productions.org

which must still come to pass. The battle to which I am calling you is
clearly described, and my great victory is foretold.
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In this message and many others, the apparition portrays herself as the woman of
Revelation 12. Even more revealing, she says that she will bring her followers to the full
understanding of Sacred Scripture. Not surprisingly, this claim also contradicts God’s
Word:
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the
fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son
(Hebrews 1:1-2).

[size=14pt]The Woman and Her Persecuted Followers[/size]

If the apparition is using the Scriptures to deceive her followers, will she attempt to
fulfill the Revelation 12 scenario? Does she claim to be the persecuted woman of
Revelation 12? Yes, as the following messages will demonstrate.
I am the great sign which appeared in the sky: I am the Woman Clothed
with the Sun, with the moon beneath my feet, and with a crown of twelve
stars upon my head…And so, close to the great sign of the Woman
Clothed with the Sun, there appears also that of the Red Dragon, of the
ancient serpent, of Satan, who is now manifesting himself in all his
extraordinary power. It appears that the great Dragon has won his
victory…But in the furious struggle of these last times, this struggle
between heaven and earth, between the heavenly spirits and the demons,
between the Woman and the Dragon, I appear as a great sign of my
greatest victory…For this great victory, I have formed for myself the
cohort of all my little children who, from every part of the world, have
responded to me with a yes. With my Marian Movement of Priests, I have
brought my invitation to the farthest confines of the earth, and I have
formed for myself my victorious army.”
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The Dragon [Satan] and the Beast [Antichrist] can do nothing against
those who have been signed with my seal. The Star of the Abyss [Satan]
will persecute all those who are signed with my seal, but nothing will be
able to harm the souls upon whom I myself have impressed my image. By
the blood which many of them will have shed, divine justice will be
appeased, and the time of my victory will be hastened…18
In these messages, the apparition asserts that she is the great sign in the sky – “the
Woman Clothed with the Sun.” She also declares that she and her children will be

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Fr. Don Stefano Gobbi, To The Priests: Our Lady’s Beloved Sons, St. Francis, ME, The National
Headquarters of the Marian Movement of Priests in the United States of America, 1998, pp. 260, 261.
Message given to Father Gobbi, April 24, 1980, in Rome, Italy.
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Ibid., pp. 923, 924. Message given to Father Gobbi, Oct. 13, 1996, while visiting Tokyo, Japan.
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Ibid., p. 308. Message given to Father Gobbi, Nov. 12, 1981, while visiting Puebla, Mexico.

persecuted by the Revelation 12 dragon, but assures her followers that her victory is
guaranteed. The apparition even declares that she will seal her followers, thus imitating
the Revelation 7 prophecy.
Of course Revelation 7 states that God (not the woman of Revelation 12) will seal the
144,000 Jewish believers (not Marian followers). This is therefore one more example of
the apparition misapplying Scriptures in order to carry out her deceptive agenda. By
coming in Christ’s name and twisting the Scriptures those who do not know the Word of
the Lord will be led astray

[size=14pt]The Most Cunning Deception[/size]

At present, the apparition has formed her enormous army. The Marian Movement of
Priests – representing just one Marian group – consists of over 100,000 priests and
millions of lay followers worldwide. If you add in all the other Marian groups, her
followers easily number in the tens of millions.
Sadly, by misapplying the Scriptures, the apparition seeks to ensnare many to follow
her rather than the Jesus of the Bible. This is diabolical because the apparition comes in
Christ’s name and proclaims many biblical truths. However if a person does not repent,
turn toward God, and place their faith in Jesus and His Word exclusively, then the
enemy’s deceptive ploy has succeeded (Acts 20:21).
This has always been Satan’s agenda. In fact the Bible warns that “Satan himself
transforms himself into an angel [messenger] of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his
ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness” (2 Corinthians
11:14-15).
Remember, Satan is the most cunning creature (Genesis 3:1). He also quotes
Scriptures when deceiving (Matthew 4:6). And the Bible tells us that he will deceive the
whole world (Revelation 12:9). In fact Jesus warned that the last days deceptions would
be so clever that if it were possible even the elect would be deceived (Matthew 24:24).
And the apostle Paul echoes Christ’s warning in 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11.
Therefore, we should expect that the apparition will attempt to misapply any and all
of the prophetic Scriptures in order to lead souls astray. For example, we should expect a
time when she tells her followers to flee to the wilderness as described in Revelation
12:14

[size=14pt]God’s Word Warns of this Deception[/size]

Thankfully, God has given us the clear light of His Word. As He promised, He has
warned us in advance so that we would not be led astray. Let’s now examine two of the
prophetic passages that anticipate this deception.
In Revelation chapter 17, the apostle John is shown a beautiful woman who is in the
wilderness riding the beast into power (v. 3-4). Though she appears outwardly as an
alluring queen, God reveals her true nature as the Mother of Harlots (v. 5).
Here are the first 6 verses of this chapter:
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked
with me, saying to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great
harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth

committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk
with the wine of her fornication.” So he carried me away in the Spirit into
the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was
full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. The
woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and
precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of
abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. And on her forehead a
name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE
MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE
EARTH. I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the
blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great
amazement (Revelation 17:1-6).
The term “harlot” is frequently used in the Bible to describe those who profess to
follow God, but instead are unfaithful and follow after false gods.
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In the Bible, when
God’s people went astray, we are told they played the harlot. They still claimed to be
married to one husband (the Lord), but instead pursued other lovers (false gods). So it is
very enlightening that this queenly woman is called the Mother of harlots.
In addition, Babylon is where false religion originated (Genesis 11). Babylon is found
throughout the Bible. Though outwardly striking, she is always opposed to God and His
people (Isaiah 47). So it is no surprise to see Mystery Babylon on the climactic end-times
scene. Her counterfeit worship in the name of the Lord is prophesied to rise one more
time before her final destruction.
Therefore, though the woman of Revelation 17 has the appearance of being Christ’s
beautiful bride and queen, in reality, she is the counterfeit bride – heading up the
counterfeit church. She comes in Christ’s name, claiming to be His bride, but is in fact
playing the harlot.
At the beginning of her reign she has many followers from all over the world
(Revelation 17:15; 18:4-7). However, the concluding verses of Revelation 17 reveal that
the beast and his ten kings will eventually turn on her to burn and destroy her (v. 16-17).
At this point, the beast will consolidate his power base – no longer sharing his control
with the woman’s religious system.
Therefore, though the woman begins by reigning over the earth (v. 15, 18), she will
eventually flee from the beast and his ten kings who seek to destroy her. Where does she
flee? The answer is found in another last day’s prophecy.

[size=14pt]The Zechariah 5 Wicked Woman[/size]

There is a peculiar prophecy in Zechariah 5 that describes a wicked woman who flies
throughout the earth (v. 5-7). This woman is related to a global curse (v. 2-4) and called
“Wickedness!” (v. . Her final destination is the land of Shinar (v. 10-11), the location
of ancient Babylon. This chapter also indicates that the woman will eventually be forcibly
carried to Babylon (v. 7-11).
It is important to realize that Zechariah’s prophecy was made after Babylon had been
conquered by the Medes and Persians. This would indicate that Babylon must reemerge

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2 Chronicles 21:11-13; Psalm 73:27; Jeremiah 3; 13:27; Ezekiel 16; 20:30; 23; 43:7-9; Hosea; etc.

in the last days. Therefore, this prophecy is yet future. And today, with the overthrow of
Saddam Hussein, Babylon – located in the deserts of Iraq – is positioned to reemerge on
the global scene.
Here is Zechariah’s prophecy:
Then I turned and raised my eyes, and saw there a flying scroll. And he
said to me, “What do you see?” So I answered, “I see a flying scroll. Its
length is twenty cubits and its width ten cubits.” Then he said to me, “This
is the curse that goes out over the face of the whole earth: ‘Every thief
shall be expelled,’ according to this side of the scroll; and, ‘Every perjurer
shall be expelled,’ according to that side of it.” “I will send the curse,”
says the Lord of hosts; “It shall enter the house of the thief and the house
of the one who swears falsely by My name. It shall remain in the midst of
his house and consume it, with its timber and stones.” Then the angel who
talked with me came out and said to me, “Lift your eyes now, and see
what this is that goes forth.” So I asked, “What is it?” And he said, “It is a
basket that is going forth.” He also said, “This is their resemblance
throughout the earth: Here is a lead disc lifted up, and this is a woman
sitting inside the basket”; then he said, “This is Wickedness!” And he
thrust her down into the basket, and threw the lead cover over its mouth.
Then I raised my eyes and looked, and there were two women, coming
with the wind in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork,
and they lifted up the basket between earth and heaven. So I said to the
angel who talked with me, “Where are they carrying the basket?” And he
said to me, “To build a house for it in the land of Shinar; when it is ready,
the basket will be set there on its base.” (Zechariah 5).
From this passage we learn that in the last days a house will be built in Babylon for
the fleeing woman. Interestingly, the Hebrew word translated “house” is bayith which
literally means a palace, temple, or prison. Though the woman begins by flying
throughout the earth, she will eventually be carried to her temple (prison) in the desert of
Iraq.
That the Zechariah 5 worldwide judgment is related to a wicked woman is quite
provocative. And these people (her followers?) are judged because they swear falsely by
God’s name (v. 4). This indicates that those who will be judged speak in the Lord’s
name. They profess to be followers of the Lord, as Marian followers do, yet they speak
incorrectly concerning the one true God.
Here is something else to consider related to this chapter. It is no secret that the
apparition of Mary – known as the Queen of Heaven – is the mother of the Catholic
Church which has its headquarters in Rome. Therefore it is quite interesting that some
commentators believe that Mystery Babylon refers, first and foremost to Rome, and then
secondly to Babylon.
Is it possible that the Queen’s Church will begin her reign in Rome, but end in
Babylon? Commentator John Phillips offers this insight:

In the prophetic application of the vision, the woman Zechariah saw can
be identified with the woman in Matthew 13:33 and the scarlet woman in
Revelation 17. …Apparently, after the Antichrist destroys the Roman
religious system (17:16) the spiritual uncleanness it has harbored will be
carried back to rebuilt Babylon (18:2), where it will meet its final doom.
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[size=14pt]Come Out of Her![/size]

To summarize: Zechariah 5 and Revelation 17 reveal that a wicked, but alluring
woman, who has many followers, comes in Christ’s name, claims to be a queen, but who
is in fact representative of a global curse, will be on the scene in the last days.
Though this woman reigns as queen at the beginning of the Tribulation period (likely
from Rome), she will eventually flee and be forcibly carried to the desert of Iraq, to her
temple in Babylon where she will meet her demise.
Do you now see the apparition’s clever ploy? By impersonating the Revelation 12
prophecy she is attempting to convince her followers that she is the benevolent woman of
Revelation 12 who will be persecuted and flee into the wilderness.
However, this ploy will only work if a person chooses the apparition’s word over
God’s Word. The good news is that God desires to save all who will heed His call to
come out of her.
Come out of her, My people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you
receive of her plagues (Revelation 18:4).

[size=14pt]The Importance of God’s Word[/size]

As this deception reveals, it is vital for those who profess to follow Christ to know
and obey God’s Word. May we heed the Lord’s Word and abide in the Word of the Lord:
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God (Luke 4:4).
But why do you call Me “Lord, Lord,” and do not do the things which I
say? (Luke 6:46).
If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall
know the truth, and the truth shall make you free (John 8:31-32).
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth (John 17:17).
From childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to
make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus (2
Timothy 3:15).
But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand (Mark 13:23).

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John Phillips, Exploring The Minor Prophets, Grand Rapids, MI, Kregel Publications, 2002, p. 280.

seriallink: @Sister Plappvile, thanks for creating this thread.

It's an eye opening article! I enjoyed it! Especially the part that exposes the agenda of the so-called marian apparition & its links to the Mother of harlots in Revelation 17. The only part I don't seem to understand is the definition of ISRAEL.

Is Israel here referring to the decendants of Jacob only?

Or

A combination of both Jews & Gentiles who are followers of Christ?

If the definition of ISRAEL here is a combination of both Jews & Gentiles then the CHURCH could also be referred to as ISRAEL! I'll appreciate a little clarification on that part, if you have a better understanding. Thank you!

obadiah777: DAYUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM PLAPPVILLE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME YOU HAVE BEEN IN CONTRAVENTION OF ONE OF THE LAWS IN THE BIBLE SO I THINK I HAVE TO CALL YOU OUT ON IT. I NEED TO PULL OUT THE KOBOKO ON YO AZZ. THIS LAW >>>> ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 12 much study is a weariness of the flesh. <<<< WHAT YOU ARE ASKING US TO DO BY READING YOUR 1000 PAGE THESIS

italo: "Bible prophecy scholars" at work.

The Lord be with you...

Lmao.

i.chuka:
Gen2:18-24,Eph5:22-32,Rev12:1-17.and Rev21:1-22.
Four Women are mentioned in these four passages of the scriptures.in Gen2 the Woman is Eve,in Eph5 she is the Church,in Rev12 she is the Woman seen in the vision,and in Rev21 she is the Wife of the Lamb.these Women are the same in principle and in reality.
1cor15:45 says that Adam was a type of our Lord Jesus,and Roms5:14 says Adam was a figure of the Man(Christ) who was to come.Adam then foreshadowed Christ,he portrayed Christ in figure.
Adam's wife is Eve,and the Church is the wife of Christ according to Eph5.
Since Adam is a type/figure of Christ,his wife also typifies the Church.
The Woman in Gen3 and Rev12 both encounter the serpent/dragon.here we see the correspondence and correlation of the scriptures,the begining with the end.furthermore,God particularly points out the the great dragon is the old serpent.this means that He is referring to the serpent who had been mentioned once before.God makes the point clear that it was that one and only old serpent.the emphasis is on the word "THE" ..the old serpent..Rev20:2..therefore the Woman mentioned here must also be that Woman.
The sun,moon,and stars mentioned in Gen are mentioned in Rev12 in the same principle.as the serpent was in Gen3,so the same serpent is here also.the Seed of the Woman mentioned in Gen3 is also mentioned here.even the travail of birth is in Gen3,and its also here in Rev12.put these two portion of scripture together,we can surely see that the Woman in Rev12 is the Woman whom God purposed in His eternal will.everything that will happen to her at the end time is clearly stated here.the Woman in Gen2(before the fall) speaks of Gods eternal purpose,the Woman in Eph5 speaks of the position and the future of the Church and the Woman in Rev12 reveals the things at the end time.
Now,who is the Woman in Rev12?
Since she is the same Woman in Gen3,who is a type/figure of the Church,we can boldly say that the Woman in Rev12 is the CHURCH.

plappville:

But Christ gave birth to the church, If the woman gave birth to Christ, then how can the woman be the Church? or do you want to enligten us more on this?
Am out for now though. I will BRB....

i.chuka:

No,She gave birth to a group of believers called the overcomers according to the seven churches in Asia and in Rev12:11.
The scripture says that this Man-Child will "shepherd all the nations with an iron Rod"this is Gods purpose.the work of the church is to cause Satan to lose his power and bring in Gods kingdom.but the church has not attained to gods purpose,frankly speaking She(the church) don't even know Gods purpose anymore.so,what can God do?
He will choose a group of overcomers(believers from the failed system,the church)who will attain His purpose and fulfill His demand.this is the principle of the Man-Child.
There are many examples of this principle in the bible.like during the time of Judges,the people of Israel were oppressed by the midnite and were in great desperation.out of one of the tribes,God raised up Gideon to lead a contingent of men and chase away the enemy.the whole nation was set free because of this group.the responsibility rested on the whole nation,but some were afraid and some were slothful,therefore a group of them went forth to the battle and brought benefits to the whole nation.
That's the principle of the Man-Child or overcomers to take position of the whole church and do the work for the church.before God,the church should be in that condition which He desires,She should be responsible to Him,fulfilling the work committed to her and standing in her proper position.the church,however,has failed and is still failing today.She has not become what She was originally purposed to be,She has not done her work,taken up her responsibility,nor stood in her proper position.she has not gained the ground for God.so out of the church God calls forth this group of believers to stand in the position of the church and dwelt with Satan,there accomplishment is counted as the work of the whole church.
That's the reason for the birth of the Male-child.

No,She gave birth to a group of believers called the overcomers according to the seven churches in Asia and in Rev12:11.
The scripture says that this Man-Child will "shepherd all the nations with an iron Rod"this is Gods purpose.the work of the church is to cause Satan to lose his power and bring in Gods kingdom.

Ubenedictus: Pap, this is more or less bashing, you posted a 1000 word long article specially suited for the catholic church, a rebuttal becomes useless becos i will overburden myself and end up making little impact, wen faced with such an article the odds is against any one man who goes against it the sheer length of the post and the opposition that would follow would make a rebuttal futile.
If you want a discussion that shows d fault of the arguement and explains d catholic position pleas drop your article here http://forums.catholic.com.
Anything short will amount to "church bashing".
Peace.

Image123: understandest thou what thou readest?

italo: She raised a good point. She said the woman cannot be the Church because it is Christ that gave birth to the Church and not the other way round. The I.chuka came and bamboozled her with lengthy rubbish, then she accepted it, because it is contrary to the position that Mary gave birth to Jesus. She will believe any explanation but the Catholic one.

obadiah777: I THINK IT IS OBVIOUS APPARENT TRANSPARENT DEFINITE AND GLARING THAT THE WOMAN IS ISRAEL. ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY LASHED WITH KOBOKO FOR BRINGING IN HERESIES

ijawkid:

Lol.....

Na mary....lol....

Come flog me......

obadiah777: *GRABS A NICE JUICY KOBOKO* NOW COME HERE IJAWKID

ijawkid:

Lol.....I've got a butt proof....no amount of koboko can penetrate to my butt.....

Ntorrr!!!!!!!.....lol....

plappville:
why must everthing seem to you as bashing?

plappville:

bros.. you know you are frequently called olodo in this forum, does that truelly mean you are one? stop trying to prove u know too much. u tht understands, enlighten us plz!

Image123:
your English ALWAYS amuses me, take that as a compliment.