i.chuka:
@ plap. The book of Revelation has Christ and His Bride/Church in full view and not the nation of Israel.
The woman was clothed with the
sun,that is the sun is shining upon her,in this present age,God is revealing Himself through her,this shows her relationship with Christ and the age of Grace.(God is revealing Himself in this age through the Church and not the nation of Israel)
2.The woman had the moon "underneath her feet.the phase beneath her feet"means that the moon is subjected at her feet,the light of the moon is a reflecting light,it has no light of is own.indicating that all the things in the age of the law merely reflected the things in the age of Grace(the nation of Israel is merely a reflection of the body of Christ which is the Church)
3.The woman had a crown of twelve stars upon her head.the chief figures in the age of the Patriarchs were from the time of Abraham to the twelve tribes.the crown upon her head speaks of her relatnshp to the age of the Patriarchs.
She's not only related to the age of Grace,but also to the age of the law and the age of the patriarchs.
So,the Woman in the vision can't be just the nation of Israel,the nation of Israel is just a small fry in the bigger picture of things.

Ihedinobi:

Ah, this sounds interesting. How do you decide that the man-child is a single person, but the woman a group? What dictionary are you using?

Pastor AIO: Hokmah and Binah. Malkuth is Kingdom.

Ubenedictus: what does this mean?

obadiah777: joseph was the 12th star

Ihedinobi:

Ah, this sounds interesting. How do you decide that the man-child is a single person, but the woman a group? What dictionary are you using?

Ihedinobi:


And who has the authority to declare me wrong? Can the person also declare how I am so? Because the Judge must also be the Wise and the Knowing.

Ubenedictus: now talking of consistency, how come everybody in rev 12 represents a person except the woman?

Pastor AIO: Trick question for you sir. Is Joseph a tribe of Israel?

Pastor AIO:

I have asked this question in so many different ways for the last couple of years. in other words, What are the CRITERIA we are using to interpret the bible? How do we know when something is a direct reference to something and when do we know that it is just a metaphor?

Great Bible Scholars of Nairaland come and help me na. Answer this kweshun.


Gbam-u! That is another terrific question. Are there any authorities for interpreting the bible? Who, what and/or where are these authorities? Do these authorities explain 'how' things are so, or do they just decree what is what?

Please let us clear up this matter of interpretations once and for all. Thank you.

Ubenedictus: now talking of consistency, how come everybody in rev 12 represents a person except the woman?

Ihedinobi:

hmmm . . . Did you read me saying anything like the above?

Ihedinobi:

1. The Bible is its own lexicon, so to speak.

2. "There is a spirit in man and the inspiration of God giveth him understanding." (Elihu speaking in Job)

3. Paraphrase: spiritual things/realities/truths are only comprehensible to spiritual people. (Paul's letter, I think the second, to the Corinthians).

4. To us, Christians (those related to God by birth and thus have His Nature), are given the mysteries of the Kingdom. To others it is not. (Lord Jesus's words to His disciples).

5. We all receive the Spirit of God according to capacity. Jesus alone is the One Who received everything because, being God, His capacity is infinite. As such, the Revelation of God is given, if you like, in bits and pieces, to His children according to their ability to bear it, and this ability is meant to continue to increase, so that together the whole Church comes to be filled with all the fullness of God.


All the above means that the meaning of the Bible is not available to anyone without the Spirit of Christ. And that even among such, comprehension varies directly as maturity/experience with the Lord. Furthermore, however mature any given Christian is, he can never alone hold in himself the full comprehension of God. That is the reserve of the whole Church.

As for criteria, the Bible is a seamless garment, not amalgamated and sewn-on pieces. From beginning to end it is an undivided, unbroken whole. Therefore, any interpretation that, even when seemingly completely satisfying a number of passages leaves one or two unaccounted for is very highly suspect. And if it makes effort to force the obstinate Scripture to agree with it, it is unworthy of acceptance.

There must, therefore, be complete agreement among all passages that can be raised before the interpretation can be accepted.

plappville:

Bros not only the woman, there are many option, the male child may not be a person if it be matched as Jerusalem/zion given birth in one day.

Ubenedictus: didn't u notice dat that explanation was rejected some post ago?

plappville:

Rejected by who, he who is most perfect in interpreting Rev? i didn`t notice that anyway!

plappville: This your kwestion dem too big to answer. And as you no get stress, etc...why not just direct me to the socalled discussion? Abi you think say na only NL forum I dey visit? Well, forget it. The thread continues, no trow me sideline insultive kwestion please.

Peace!

Ubenedictus: no probs

plappville:

Rainingturtles:
From what ive heard, war is coming to israel , prepare yourself, esp those in middle east its going to get more intense there...

ichuka:

Lol
Thank God you guys are coming back
Greetings to your family

plappville:


Thanks my bro, hope you are good.

ichuka:

Bless God
Greetings to All

ichuka:
@ plap. The book of Revelation has Christ and His Bride/Church in full view and not the nation of Israel.
The woman was clothed with the
sun,that is the sun is shining upon her,in this present age,God is revealing Himself through her,this shows her relationship with Christ and the age of Grace.(God is revealing Himself in this age through the Church and not the nation of Israel)
2.The woman had the moon "underneath her feet.the phase beneath her feet"means that the moon is subjected at her feet,the light of the moon is a reflecting light,it has no light of is own.indicating that all the things in the age of the law merely reflected the things in the age of Grace(the nation of Israel is merely a reflection of the body of Christ which is the Church)
3.The woman had a crown of twelve stars upon her head.the chief figures in the age of the Patriarchs were from the time of Abraham to the twelve tribes.the crown upon her head speaks of her relatnshp to the age of the Patriarchs.
She's not only related to the age of Grace,but also to the age of the law and the age of the patriarchs.
So,the Woman in the vision can't be just the nation of Israel,the nation of Israel is just a small fry in the bigger picture of things.

kkins25:

Na only u waka com