plappville:

Hahahahaah..........
One who correct others should correct himself first.
Were you not taught in school to start a sentence with a capital letter?
Just see how you amuse yourself mr English or should i use your NL name olodo

No vex ooo

do you even realize that you're insulting me?

So na which one we go accept naa.Eve,isreal,church!!! Differant revelation from the same 'spirit'

No, na Mary we go accept make she born MAN-CHILD (old Jesus with 32 teeths) for us Smh

Waiting for Jesus' 2nd birth

Meeh, and I thought long posts were my thing I think I'm gonna try to read through and perhaps join. For some reason I no longer care to squabble these days. But I think I like the progress I saw on the first page and I love i.chuka's approach to the matter. I'm still a little dubious about plappville though, but then I haven't even finished the first page.

Will be back, y'all.

@i.chuka, I agree with you in pretty much everything. God has always been an exceptional teacher. He uses signs and symbols we can understand and relate to teach us heavenly (that is, hidden) realities. Eve was indeed a type of the Church as was ethnic Israel. In each of them, God unveiled to a limited degree what His Church is. This is very like all the sin offerings that were made which all pointed to Christ as their antitype.

Also the man-child is truly a company of overcomers, but they're not the only overcomers. 1 John, at least, declares very clearly that just being a believer makes any given person an overcomer already. Every Christian, hence, is an overcomer. But this is mostly as a potential. Those who turn actualize the fullness of that potential are those that make up the man-child company.

With respect to the Church's purpose, it is to come fully and actually into all that Christ means, not quite to destroy the works of the devil all over again. The Church was left behind to, if you like, study Christ. She is the actual body of Christ. She is Christ's instrument of operation, she is to the Lord what our arms and legs and torso and other parts of our body are to our brain. As such, she must learn to synchronize with Him and draw upon His limitless resources to accomplish His Great and Eternal Purposes (which, naturally, are the same as hers). This lesson is one she can only learn in the face of adversity though, same as one can only build strong muscles by exerting them against resistance. As resistance is gradually increased, so is strength to match it. Therefore Satan is the resistance employed by the Lord to perfect His Church.

The fact is that the Church has never forgotten or lost her Purpose for being here. From generation to generation, the Lord has always had that few that would settle for nothing less than His fullness. As soon as their number is completed, He will catch them up to His Throne so that He can focus on the lackadaisical ones whom, as He says, He will "appoint a place with the hypocrites" or "cast out into the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" until He has made them ready to join their brethren. Whatever may be thought, whatever may be seen, the Church has never failed nor ever will.

Ihedinobi: @i.chuka, I agree with you in pretty much everything. God has always been an exceptional teacher. He uses signs and symbols we can understand and relate to teach us heavenly (that is, hidden) realities. Eve was indeed a type of the Church as was ethnic Israel. In each of them, God unveiled to a limited degree what His Church is. This is very like all the sin offerings that were made which all pointed to Christ as their antitype.

Also the man-child is truly a company of overcomers, but they're not the only overcomers. 1 John, at least, declares very clearly that just being a believer makes any given person an overcomer already. Every Christian, hence, is an overcomer. But this is mostly as a potential. Those who turn actualize the fullness of that potential are those that make up the man-child company.

With respect to the Church's purpose, it is to come fully and actually into all that Christ means, not quite to destroy the works of the devil all over again. The Church was left behind to, if you like, study Christ. She is the actual body of Christ. She is Christ's instrument of operation, she is to the Lord what our arms and legs and torso and other parts of our body are to our brain. As such, she must learn to synchronize with Him and draw upon His limitless resources to accomplish His Great and Eternal Purposes (which, naturally, are the same as hers). This lesson is one she can only learn in the face of adversity though, same as one can only build strong muscles by exerting them against resistance. As resistance is gradually increased, so is strength to match it. Therefore Satan is the resistance employed by the Lord to perfect His Church.

The fact is that the Church has never forgotten or lost her Purpose for being here. From generation to generation, the Lord has always had that few that would settle for nothing less than His fullness. As soon as their number is completed, He will catch them up to His Throne so that He can focus on the lackadaisical ones whom, as He says, He will "appoint a place with the hypocrites" or "cast out into the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" until He has made them ready to join their brethren. Whatever may be thought, whatever may be seen, the Church has never failed nor ever will.

Thanks bro.great post!!
You are right about the Church inevitable to FAIL.that is from Gods own point of view.just like Adam is the only constituent of Eve(God did not mix the dust of the ground with the rib of Adam in creating Eve),the Church in like manner constitute of Christ only.from heavenly point of view, the Church cannot sin and is unable to sin,since she came out of Christ.but viewing the Church from here portrays hopelessness.
But,Ephns1:2-7,says that we(the Church) has already been blessed with all spiritual blessing in the heavenlies.even before the foundation of the world.
From our own point of view there's no hope,but from His we have been Glorified already.

i.chuka: Four Women are mentioned in these four passages of the scriptures.in Gen2 the Woman is Eve,in Eph5 she is the Church,in Rev12 she is the Woman seen in the vision,and in Rev21 she is the Wife of the Lamb.these Women are the same in principle and in reality.

@ plap. The book of Revelation has Christ and His Bride/Church in full view and not the nation of Israel.

You have mentioned EVE, THE CHURCH AND THE BRIDE OF THE LAMB, as thesame woman, are you now saying that Eve is the church? If this is it then the church gave birth to The messiah abi? For me, if the woman should be the "Church", the male child cannot be Christ, because Christ gave birth to the Church.

I see more reasons with you on your point for the male child due to some biblical passages below, but what i am not getting is how you arrive in identifying the woman as EVE to be the Church. Come to thik of it, is Israel not the seed bearer of the Messiah and through which the church is born?

Or If we are to picture Eve to be the woman, been that Eve is the prototype of Israel, through Eve, the woman "Israel" comes into existanc to bear the "Male seed" that redeems what Adam and Eve lost as a result of the serpent's deception. This can be an interpretaion ?

Like i said before, there are other major opinions on who the woman is, i am not rushing into conclusion of that yet. But i will get to a point of it at the end of my comment if be it.

And as for the "Male Child", both Christ and His true brethrens who has been redeemed through faith in Christ's blood symbolized the "male child" See these verses. (I John 5:4-5,John 16:33, I John 4:4) Christ made it clear that He overcame the world. "I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne (Revelation 3:21). "Be of good cheer; I have overcome the world (John 16:33)." And Daniel 7:14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Now look at The Rev 12:11, "And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony." Everyone will know this verse is refering to Gods true children, the word "They" who are they? The overcomers of the world of course!.
They that were promised seven(7)wonderful blessings in the scriptureRev 2:7,11,17,Rev 2:26-29; Rev3:5,12,21.).

I will post this one that is so plain: "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne...(Revelation 3:21)." This last and final promise is ruling with the Lord Jesus Christ in His throne.

True believers are Christ Bride body who will do the "greater works" of Jesus in the earth as He promised in John 14:12 "Most assuredly I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father."
Daniel 7:18 But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever--yes, for ever and ever.'

Let take a look at two major biblical events when God assigned into the world the "male child" of His intervetion into the affairs of menkind.
The first was Moses, Moses was God's man child who was birthed into the world to be the mediator of his OT Covenant.
The powers of the kingdom of darkness were aware of this divine purpose of God and they set out to kill evry man child that was born of the childran of Israel.

At Jesus Christ's birth, the powers of darkness were again aware of Heaven's divine purpose.
In same way, they again set out to kill the man child of God's NT Covenant.
Concerning killing the two "man child" of God's covenants with humanity, the powers of darkness/satan failed
and God's purposes in the lives of Moses and Jesus Christ were fulfilled.

I see this in accordingly, to the "male child" which is being birthed from new Israel/Jerusalem,(Jeremiah 31:31)
This new Israel come forth in one day. We now know this is the Church/the body of Christ born on the day of Pentecost.
Zion is the birth place of the Church. She travailed when 120 prayed, cried, worshipped, for 7-10 days for the out-pouring of the Holy Ghost.
This travail brought forth the Church. This was prophesied in Isaiah 66:8
He will rule with Christ, and will overcome the attempts of "Satan" trying to kill it.
The male child will be resurrected "up unto God, and to His throne." This will be another failure for Satan in no distance of time.

God prophesied by Isaiah and Jeremiah of a future restoration or rebuilding of the holy place and th nation, and a "New Covenant" (Jer 31:31).
Daniel was given a revelation that all this would occur when the Messieh came (Dan 9:24-27).

i.chuka:


Thanks bro.great post!!
You are right about the Church inevitable to FAIL.that is from Gods own point of view.just like Adam is the only constituent of Eve(God did not mix the dust of the ground with the rib of Adam in creating Eve),the Church in like manner constitute of Christ only.from heavenly point of view, the Church cannot sin and is unable to sin,since she came out of Christ.but viewing the Church from here portrays hopelessness.
But,Ephns1:2-7,says that we(the Church) has already been blessed with all spiritual blessing in the heavenlies.even before the foundation of the world.
From our own point of view there's no hope,but from His we have been Glorified already.

For the Christian, my beloved brother, there is only one point of view or witness that matter's and it is the Lord's.

Also, the Church is a spiritual organism and can only rightly be judged as such.

quote=plappville
You have mentioned EVE, THE CHURCH AND THE BRIDE OF THE LAMB, as thesame woman, are you now saying that Eve is the church? If this is it then the church gave birth to The messiah abi? For me, if the woman should be the "Church", the male child cannot be Christ, because Christ gave birth to the Church.

I see more reasons with you on your point for the male child due to some biblical passages below, but what i am not getting is how you arrive in identifying the woman as EVE to be the Church. Come to thik of it, is Israel not the seed bearer of the Messiah and through which the church is born?

Or If we are to picture Eve to be the woman, been that Eve is the prototype of Israel, through Eve, the woman "Israel" comes into existanc to bear the "Male seed" that redeems what Adam and Eve lost as a result of the serpent's deception. This can be an interpretaion ?

Like i said before, there are other major opinions on who the woman is, i am not rushing into conclusion of that yet. But i will get to a point of it at the end of my comment if be it.

And as for the "Male Child", both Christ and His true brethrens who has been redeemed through faith in Christ's blood symbolized the "male child" See these verses. (I John 5:4-5,John 16:33, I John 4:4) Christ made it clear that He overcame the world. "I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne (Revelation 3:21). "Be of good cheer; I have overcome the world (John 16:33)." And Daniel 7:14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Now look at The Rev 12:11, "And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony." Everyone will know this verse is refering to Gods true children, the word "They" who are they? The overcomers of the world of course!.
They that were promised seven(7)wonderful blessings in the scriptureRev 2:7,11,17,Rev 2:26-29; Rev3:5,12,21.).

I will post this one that is so plain: "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne...(Revelation 3:21)." This last and final promise is ruling with the Lord Jesus Christ in His throne.

True believers are Christ Bride body who will do the "greater works" of Jesus in the earth as He promised in John 14:12 "Most assuredly I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father."
Daniel 7:18 But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever--yes, for ever and ever.'

Let take a look at two major biblical events when God assigned into the world the "male child" of His intervetion into the affairs of menkind.
The first was Moses, Moses was God's man child who was birthed into the world to be the mediator of his OT Covenant.
The powers of the kingdom of darkness were aware of this divine purpose of God and they set out to kill evry man child that was born of the childran of Israel.

At Jesus Christ's birth, the powers of darkness were again aware of Heaven's divine purpose.
In same way, they again set out to kill the man child of God's NT Covenant.
Concerning killing the two "man child" of God's covenants with humanity, the powers of darkness/satan failed
and God's purposes in the lives of Moses and Jesus Christ were fulfilled.

I see this in accordingly, to the "male child" which is being birthed from new Israel/Jerusalem,(Jeremiah 31:31)
This new Israel come forth in one day. We now know this is the Church/the body of Christ born on the day of Pentecost.
Zion is the birth place of the Church. She travailed when 120 prayed, cried, worshipped, for 7-10 days for the out-pouring of the Holy Ghost.
This travail brought forth the Church. This was prophesied in Isaiah 66:8
He will rule with Christ, and will overcome the attempts of "Satan" trying to kill it.
The male child will be resurrected "up unto God, and to His throne." This will be another failure for Satan in no distance of time.

God prophesied by Isaiah and Jeremiah of a future restoration or rebuilding of the holy place and th nation, and a "New Covenant" (Jer 31:31).
Daniel was given a revelation that all this would occur when the Messieh came (Dan 9:24-27).
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The Church came out of Christ,just as Eve is made from the rib of Adam.and the overcomers came out of the Church.they(the overcomers) are still part of the Church,we can still call them the Church.because there victory brings glory to the whole Church.
Moreover,God used the nation of Israel as a litmus test/geniue pig test(PLEASE NO DISRESPECT TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL OO!!) inorder to bring His full purpose to past.the TEST was done on the Israeli,before its been applied to the rest of the world.so the nation of Israel are just a fragment.the Church is.

Ihedinobi:

For the Christian, my beloved brother, there is only one point of view or witness that matter's and it is the Lord's.

Also, the Church is a spiritual organism and can only rightly be judged as such.

^^Very true.

The Church came out of Christ,just as Eve is made from the rib of Adam.and the overcomers came out of the Church. they(the overcomers) are still part of the Church,we can still call them the Church. because there victory brings glory to the whole Church.
Moreover,God used the nation of Israel as a litmus test/geniue pig test(PLEASE NO DISRESPECT TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL OO!!) inorder to bring His full purpose to past.the TEST was done on the Israeli,before its been applied to the rest of the world.so the nation of Israel are just a fragment.the Church is.

Yes these scriptures perfectly made it clearer.(1 Corinthians 15:45) (Romans 5:14)
So what about the other signs, how will you identify them?
Thanks alot God bless.

chukwudi44: So na which one we go accept naa.Eve,isreal,church!!! Differant revelation from the same 'spirit'

They are all from one root....

Ihedinobi: @i.chuka, I agree with you in pretty much everything. God has always been an exceptional teacher. He uses signs and symbols we can understand and relate to teach us heavenly (that is, hidden) realities. Eve was indeed a type of the Church as was ethnic Israel. In each of them, God unveiled to a limited degree what His Church is. This is very like all the sin offerings that were made which all pointed to Christ as their antitype.

Also the man-child is truly a company of overcomers, but they're not the only overcomers. 1 John, at least, declares very clearly that just being a believer makes any given person an overcomer already. Every Christian, hence, is an overcomer. But this is mostly as a potential. Those who turn actualize the fullness of that potential are those that make up the man-child company.

With respect to the Church's purpose, it is to come fully and actually into all that Christ means, not quite to destroy the works of the devil all over again. The Church was left behind to, if you like, study Christ. She is the actual body of Christ. She is Christ's instrument of operation, she is to the Lord what our arms and legs and torso and other parts of our body are to our brain. As such, she must learn to synchronize with Him and draw upon His limitless resources to accomplish His Great and Eternal Purposes (which, naturally, are the same as hers). This lesson is one she can only learn in the face of adversity though, same as one can only build strong muscles by exerting them against resistance. As resistance is gradually increased, so is strength to match it. Therefore Satan is the resistance employed by the Lord to perfect His Church.

The fact is that the Church has never forgotten or lost her Purpose for being here. From generation to generation, the Lord has always had that few that would settle for nothing less than His fullness. As soon as their number is completed, He will catch them up to His Throne so that He can focus on the lackadaisical ones whom, as He says, He will "appoint a place with the hypocrites" or "cast out into the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" until He has made them ready to join their brethren. Whatever may be thought, whatever may be seen, the Church has never failed nor ever will.

Dont forget that the woman and the male child are not the only signs in Rev 12, each must match the vision, some interpretation on the twelve stars, moon etc....are needed to be identify, who are the other figures?
Anyway, thanks for your wonderful contribution.

Image123:
do you even realize that you're insulting me?

Oh did i? I thought i was only refering you to your error, if that sounds insultive then pardon moi
You come to christian forum to make remark of mistakes as if you have been a perfect English writer here.
Did the Holy Spirit even told you He qualifies people by thier educational proficiency? I don't think so.

An illiterate will make heaven, if His heart seeks only the true word of God, and you are here amusing yourself with A borrowed language that is not even your dialect. I do not care pointing out people errors, i can correct someone if i find errors but i won't amuse myself in trying to prove i know better than others.

Anyway, i no truelly mean insult by calling you by that Name, i just wanted you to know that when pointing one finger to others, the four others will be pointing at you.

Peace.

i.chuka:
@ plap. The book of Revelation has Christ and His Bride/Church in full view and not the nation of Israel.
The woman was clothed with the
sun,that is the sun is shining upon her,in this present age,God is revealing Himself through her,this shows her relationship with Christ and the age of Grace.(God is revealing Himself in this age through the Church and not the nation of Israel)
2.The woman had the moon "underneath her feet.the phase beneath her feet"means that the moon is subjected at her feet,the light of the moon is a reflecting light,it has no light of is own.indicating that all the things in the age of the law merely reflected the things in the age of Grace(the nation of Israel is merely a reflection of the body of Christ which is the Church)
3.The woman had a crown of twelve stars upon her head.the chief figures in the age of the Patriarchs were from the time of Abraham to the twelve tribes.the crown upon her head speaks of her relatnshp to the age of the Patriarchs.
She's not only related to the age of Grace,but also to the age of the law and the age of the patriarchs.
So,the Woman in the vision can't be just the nation of Israel,the nation of Israel is just a small fry in the bigger picture of things.

you are coming out of your own vain opinion now. precept must always be upon precept. this is the precept to the sun moon and 12 stars GENESIS 37 VS 9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. "Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? BIBLICAL STORIES ARE OFTEN SYMBOLIC AND ALLEGORICAL IN NATURE SO THAT THE SUN ALSO MEANS WISDOM, THE MOON MEANS UNDERSTANDING AND THE 12 STARS ARE THE HOST OF HEAVEN. THE POINT HERE IS THAT, BY PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT, THE WOMAN IS ISRAEL

plappville:

Dont forget that the woman and the male child are not the only signs in Rev 12, each must match the vision, some interpretation on the twelve stars, moon etc....are needed to be identify, who are the other figures?
Anyway, thanks for your wonderful contribution.

There is such a thing as going too far in the prophetic. The need to have knowledge for its own sake generally results in people missing the Truth. I don't need to identify the "sun, moon and twelve stars" to know who the woman and man-child are. I do know, even though with great limitation, what they mean, but I don't care to revel in the pride of "knowing".

Twelve is a number that continues to be associated with government/order. The sun comes across as a symbol of unmatched brilliance and glory. The moon is no more than a reflection of the sun. The Church is clothed in the glory of God her Husband. She is His instrument of Government and the exact reflection of His Glory.

Ihedinobi:

There is such a thing as going too far in the prophetic. The need to have knowledge for its own sake generally results in people missing the Truth. I don't need to identify the "sun, moon and twelve stars" to know who the woman and man-child are. I do know, even though with great limitation, what they mean, but I don't care to revel in the pride of "knowing".

Twelve is a number that continues to be associated with government/order. The sun comes across as a symbol of unmatched brilliance and glory. The moon is no more than a reflection of the sun. The Church is clothed in the glory of God her Husband. She is His instrument of Government and the exact reflection of His Glory.

SO YOU SAYING THE CHURCH IS THE WOMAN

obadiah777: SO YOU SAYING THE CHURCH IS THE WOMAN

Already said so in a previous post.

Ihedinobi:

Already said so in a previous post.

obadiah777:

What, you didn't know?

Ihedinobi:

What, you didn't know?

YOU SIR ARE A MAGICIAN OF THE MAGNITUDE OF PROFESSOR PELLER. WHAT YOU HAVE JUST PROPOSED IS A CHILD GIVING BIRTH TO HER MOTHER

obadiah777: YOU SIR ARE A MAGICIAN OF THE MAGNITUDE OF PROFESSOR PELLER. WHAT YOU HAVE JUST PROPOSED IS A CHILD GIVING BIRTH TO HER MOTHER

Huh?

Ihedinobi:

Huh?

YOU JUST SAID THE CHURCH GAVE BIRTH TO CHRIST. ITS AKIN TO A CHILD GIVING BIRTH TO HER MOTHER

obadiah777: YOU JUST SAID THE CHURCH GAVE BIRTH TO CHRIST. ITS AKIN TO A CHILD GIVING BIRTH TO HER MOTHER

Are you kidding me? Where'd I say that?

Ihedinobi:

Are you kidding me? Where'd I say that?

WELL IF THE WOMAN IS THE CHURCH, WHAT IS THE MAN-CHILD ?

obadiah777: WELL IF THE WOMAN IS THE CHURCH, WHAT IS THE MAN-CHILD ?

Right on this very page, a few posts above the first of my posts to which you responded is my full explanation of what the Revelation 12 was saying. You really didn't read it? And you're giving me the "third degree"?

Ihedinobi:

Right on this very page, a few posts above the first of my posts to which you responded is my full explanation of what the Revelation 12 was saying. You really didn't read it? And you're giving me the "third degree"?

LOL MY BAD. LET ME GO READ IT. I AM SCARED OF EXTRA LONG POSTS CUZ I DONT KNOW WHERE TO START DISSECTING IT. I FEAR I CANT DO IT THE JUSTICE IT REQUIRES. HENCE WHY I WAS SCARED OF THIS THREAD

OK SO YOU SAY THE WOMAN IS THE CHURCH AND THE MAN CHILD ARE THE OVERCOMERS. THIS SOUNDS LIKE YOUR OWN VAIN OPINIONS BRAH

obadiah777: OK SO YOU SAY THE WOMAN IS THE CHURCH AND THE MAN CHILD ARE THE OVERCOMERS. THIS SOUNDS LIKE YOUR OWN VAIN OPINIONS BRAH

That up there sounds like yo own vain opinions too, brah!!!

Gotta run now. Pick this up later if you want

Ihedinobi:

That up there sounds like yo own vain opinions too, brah!!!

Gotta run now. Pick this up later if you want

NOPE THAT WASNT MY VAIN OPINION. I PROVIDED YOU WITH A PRECEPT TO LINK IT UP IN THE BIBLE. BUT YEAH WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE WHEN YOU GET BACK

PRECEPT FOR THE WOMAN >>>>> Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. "Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me." When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, "What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?" GENESIS 37 VS 10

PRECEPT FOR THE MAN-CHILD >>REVELATION 12 VS 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. >>>> REVELATION 19 VS 15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS

obadiah777: NOPE THAT WASNT MY VAIN OPINION. I PROVIDED YOU WITH A PRECEPT TO LINK IT UP IN THE BIBLE. BUT YEAH WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE WHEN YOU GET BACK

PRECEPT FOR THE WOMAN >>>>> Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. "Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me." When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, "What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?" GENESIS 37 VS 10

PRECEPT FOR THE MAN-CHILD >>REVELATION 12 VS 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. >>>> REVELATION 19 VS 15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS

I see them. Just don't see them conflicting with what I said. Am I missing something?

obadiah777: you are coming out of your own vain opinion now. precept must always be upon precept. this is the precept to the sun moon and 12 stars GENESIS 37 VS 9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. "Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? BIBLICAL STORIES ARE OFTEN SYMBOLIC AND ALLEGORICAL IN NATURE SO THAT THE SUN ALSO MEANS WISDOM, THE MOON MEANS UNDERSTANDING AND THE 12 STARS ARE THE HOST OF HEAVEN. THE POINT HERE IS THAT, BY PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT, THE WOMAN IS ISRAEL

That was what I asked Sister Plap & she gave me a satisfying answer! Is spiritual ISRAEL = CHURCH? Or Is it referring only to the decendants of Jacob?