Boomark:

John Vianney and his heart is dead.

Talk your own...

The trees that were processed to make that book you worship are dead.

italo:

Then I'm also reffering to the dead trees you misled people are worshipping. Pagans!!!!

The only people i know that worship trees/wood/stone with carvings made by human imaginations are Catholics. The new one in vogue is veneration of dead meat.

I believe one day we might get more diabolical practices you guys hiding from us.

italo:

What was the spiritual significance of Elisha's bones (2Kgs 13:20,21)?

In the old testament they didnt have the luxury of an in-dwelling Holy Spirit and needed the personal presence of the Lord.

You still havent answered my question. What is the significant of a moldy old heart?

davidylan:

In the old testament they didnt have the luxury of an in-dwelling Holy Spirit and needed the personal presence of the Lord.

You still havent answered my question. What is the significant of a moldy old heart?

Dear friend, neither have you answered my question. What was the significance of Elisha's bones?

The answer you crave...lies in the answer to my question.

Boomark:

The only people i know that worship trees/wood/stone with carvings made by human imaginations are Catholics. The new one in vogue is veneration of dead meat.

I believe one day we might get more diabolical practices you guys hiding from us.

*ignored* dead old story

italo:

Dear friend, neither have you answered my question. What was the significance of Elisha's bones?

The answer you crave...lies in the answer to my question.

Dear friend i answered you. Back in the old testament, the people didnt have the luxury of an in-dwelling Holy Spirit. They had to rely on physical acts divine power unlike us who now have a advocate with the Father through the blood shed on the cross. God used a myriad of opportunities to reach His people - Elisha's bones, a river, an ass, a harlot etc. Do we also venerate a river for curing Naaman of his leprosy?

davidylan:
Dear friend i answered you. Back in the old testament, the people didnt have the luxury of an in-dwelling Holy Spirit. They had to rely on physical acts divine power unlike us who now have a advocate with the Father through the blood shed on the cross. God used a myriad of opportunities to reach His people - Elisha's bones, a river, an ass, a harlot etc. Do we also venerate a river for curing Naaman of his leprosy?

Acts 19: 11 "God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them."

God also used handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched St Paul to reach His people.

Did this also happen in the Old Testament or it happened in the New Testament?

Be honest, if it were Catholics taking handkerchiefs and aprons that had merely touched a priest or bishop to the sick, what would you say about us?

italo:

Acts 19: 11 "God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them."

God also used handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched St Paul to reach His people.

Did this also happen in the Old Testament or it happened in the New Testament?

Be honest, if it were Catholics taking handkerchiefs and aprons that had merely touched a priest or bishop to the sick, what would you say about us?

they did not bow before the handkerchiefs or aprons as the Catholics bow before a piece of mummified rotten flesh.

italo:

Acts 19: 11 "God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them."

God also used handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched St Paul to reach His people.

Did this also happen in the Old Testament or it happened in the New Testament?

Be honest, if it were Catholics taking handkerchiefs and aprons that had merely touched a priest or bishop to the sick, what would you say about us?

1. So does the moldy heart heal or cure evil spirits?

2. I do not subscribe to the use of handkerchiefs by pentecostals.

davidylan:

1. So does the moldy heart heal or cure evil spirits?

The heart of St. John Vianney, like Elijah's bones, St Peter's shadow, the handkerchiefs and aprons that touched St Paul...cannot cure anything by themselves. However they can cure evil spirits and even do much more through the power of God that is communicated through them and other relics.

davidylan: 2. I do not subscribe to the use of handkerchiefs by pentecostals.

Forget about those fraudsters. Do you subscribe to the use of handkerchiefs and aprons in Acts 19?

Do you agree that you were wrong in thinking that relics were only permissible in the Old Testament?

Bowing down to a piece of meat when canibals are hungry.mtchew

2 kings 18:4
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
He removed the high places, and broke the images, and cut down the idol poles, and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made: for until those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

Brazen serpent here is a pure Example of a relic. beware all those that offer incense. we are just showing you people the truth. we hate no body. this is idol worship.

any new gist? *whistling*

even if it is possible for God to perform miracles via other medium, that is not an excuse to worship a rotten heart. The catholics tore the chest of a dead person and ripped the heart so that the spirit of God could pass through it and perform miracles? Is that what ur saying?
Thought ur pope is all powerful and vicar of christ yet he and his 1.2 billion follower depend on some bunch of rotten meat for miracle...what a shame.

Is Davidylan the only human being on this thread?

italo: Is Davidylan the only human being on this thread?

You you be human being??................

italo: Is Davidylan the only human being on this thread?

Boomark: 2 kings 18:4
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
He removed the high places, and broke the images, and cut down the idol poles, and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made: for until those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

Brazen serpent here is a pure Example of a relic. beware all those that offer incense. we are just showing you people the truth. we hate no body. this is idol worship.

All catholics turn blind eyes to this. send the message across to your church fathers.

Boomark:

The only people i know that worship trees/wood/stone with carvings made by human imaginations are Catholics. The new one in vogue is veneration of dead meat.

I believe one day we might get more diabolical practices you guys hiding from us.

that must be becos u have no knowledge about historical Christianity. i leave u to ur ignorance and i urge italo to do same. there is no gain in d useless banter u and ur likes have initiated

Ubenedictus: that must be becos u have no knowledge about historical Christianity. i leave u to ur ignorance and i urge italo to do same. there is no gain in d useless banter u and ur likes have initiated

Ube so u support the worshipping of dead rotten meat??.....why ona dey fall me hand like this??.....

Ubenedictus: that must be becos u have no knowledge about historical Christianity. i leave u to ur ignorance and i urge italo to do same. there is no gain in d useless banter u and ur likes have initiated

Which one is historical Christianity ?

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, he never changes.

frosbel:

Which one is historical Christianity ?

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, he never changes.

What he actually meant is Historical catholicism.

Ubenedictus: that must be becos u have no knowledge about[b] historical Christianity[/b]. i leave u to ur ignorance and i urge italo to do same. there is no gain in d useless banter u and ur likes have initiated

Boomark:
2 kings 18:4
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
He removed the high places, and broke the images, and cut down the idol poles, and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made: for until those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

Brazen serpent here is a pure Example of a relic. beware all those that offer incense. we are just showing you people the truth. we hate no body. this is idol worship.

Are you now angry that i exposed this idolatry with a sound analogy. The bolded is history, learn from it. They knew of the power manifested through the brazen snake in the wilderness. but when they kept it as a relic, they never knew how much they have offended God. this is it, a relic and an idol rejected by God.

Pastor Kun:

What he actually meant is Historical catholicism.

ohw! i was thinking christians actually bowed and venerated to dead bodies or piece of dead meat in history. My heart almost skip. Thanks for the clarification.

*seen...ignored*

*seems...deluded*

italo:

The heart of St. John Vianney, like Elijah's bones, St Peter's shadow, the handkerchiefs and aprons that touched St Paul...cannot cure anything by themselves. However they can cure evil spirits and even do much more through the power of God that is communicated through them and other relics.

You are ignoring one glaring difference. No one dug up Elisha's bones, place in a jar and bow before it. No one worshiped the handkerchiefs and aprons that Paul blessed to heal the sick. Apples to oranges here.

italo: *seen...ignored*

italo bros, i dey hail o, dont mind d bros weh want know y native dr dey talk to vulture head, abi de no sabi say catholicism na religion by im self? Pls let it be known to u all, catholicism is NOT CHRISTIANITY. That is y/what italo is arguing, to him, just because christians will never say anything without quoting the bible, so they worsip the bible, so if u guys are so devoted to the bible, the catholics have the right to be devoted to dead rottenedmeat, wood, stones, graves, caskets, molest mass severs and all d young innocent seminarians etc. What about the juju priests/native dr, the marine/water spirit priests, abi na only catholics una see? But seriously, bros italo, if to say i no de contented with de holy ghost, i for collect that thing whe u de smoke o, old boy see as smoke come turn u to the devil advocate, see as u de defend de worshiping of rotten meat, no fear no shame, u try sha.

The bowing before a piece of flesh is a pratice that I disagree with.
The same happens in Cele where some people go and pray at Papa Oshoffa resting place.
hmmmm

People who operate in this realm are just following the traditions of men.
This is the reason a christain should read and study the bible.

Thank God for making his word freely available.

davidylan:

You are ignoring one glaring difference. No one dug up Elisha's bones, place in a jar and bow before it. No one worshiped the handkerchiefs and aprons that Paul blessed to heal the sick. Apples to oranges here.

If someone is ignoring something here, it's you.

You consistently and conveniently dodge my questions when they disprove your erroneous notions. I will list them out again.

davidylan:

Dear friend i answered you. Back in the old testament, the people didnt have the luxury of an in-dwelling Holy Spirit. They had to rely on physical acts divine power unlike us who now have a advocate with the Father through the blood shed on the cross. God used a myriad of opportunities to reach His people - Elisha's bones, a river, an ass, a harlot etc. Do we also venerate a river for curing Naaman of his leprosy?

God also used handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched St Paul to reach His people.

Did this also happen in the Old Testament or it happened in the New Testament?

Be honest, if it were Catholics taking handkerchiefs and aprons that had merely touched a priest or bishop to the sick, what would you say about us?

davidylan:
I do not subscribe to the use of handkerchiefs by pentecostals.

Do you subscribe to the use of handkerchiefs and aprons in Acts 19?

Do you agree that you were wrong in thinking that the use of relics were only permissible in the Old Testament?

christemmbassey: italo bros, i dey hail o, dont mind d bros weh want know y native dr dey talk to vulture head, abi de no sabi say catholicism na religion by im self? Pls let it be known to u all, catholicism is NOT CHRISTIANITY. That is y/what italo is arguing, to him, just because christians will never say anything without quoting the bible, so they worsip the bible, so if u guys are so devoted to the bible, the catholics have the right to be devoted to dead rottenedmeat, wood, stones, graves, caskets, molest mass severs and all d young innocent seminarians etc. What about the juju priests/native dr, the marine/water spirit priests, abi na only catholics una see? But seriously, bros italo, if to say i no de contented with de holy ghost, i for collect that thing whe u de smoke o, old boy see as smoke come turn u to the devil advocate, see as u de defend de worshiping of rotten meat, no fear no shame, u try sha.

I get you.

'It is a sin to kneel before 'a piece of flesh' but it is perfectly okay to kneel before a book.'

I get you but I dont agree.

italo:

If someone is ignoring something here, it's you.

You consistently and conveniently dodge my questions when they disprove your erroneous notions. I will list them out again.



God also used handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched St Paul to reach His people.

Did this also happen in the Old Testament or it happened in the New Testament?

Be honest, if it were Catholics taking handkerchiefs and aprons that had merely touched a priest or bishop to the sick, what would you say about us?



Do you subscribe to the use of handkerchiefs and aprons in Acts 19?

Do you agree that you were wrong in thinking that the use of relics were only permissible in the Old Testament?

Sigh. I didnt ignore or dodge your questions because essentially they are red herrings meant to obscure the real facts here. The "relics" you mention in the scriptures were NEVER at any time objects of veneration. So what exactly is the correlation?

italo:

I get you.

'It is a sin to kneel before 'a piece of flesh' but it is perfectly okay to kneel before a book.'

I get you but I dont agree.

Again this is a deliberate twisting of the truth... no one worships or kneels before the bible. It is merely an instructional manual.