St_Black:
is that ur own share of d story?...
if u want to know,go and ask an old man who barbs in ur yoruba hometown maybe he can answer ur sillly question

PAGAN 9JA:


you think you understand but you don't really. Im not a tribalist because I dont propagate tribal wars infact if you see my pic, you will notice that my moto calls for the unity of full-blooded tribes all over the world.

you cant call me racist because i hardly care for skin colour or physical features.

Also it hardly matters whether im Yoruba or Igbo or Cherokee or Han Chinese.

The matter at hand is the protection and preservation of our tribes for future generations.


ofcourse i undestand its not your fault that you are half-bred. however you must not try to corrupt our tribes.

Tony Spike:

I personally don't have to argue with you. It is obvious you aren't enlightened enough to know who LAMURUDU was.There are a number of Yoruba scholars that have confirmed that LAMURUDU is one and the same as NIMROD. It is left for you to become enlightened in actual history of the Yoruba people. On this forum, I only discuss with knowledgeable people who have modern views on legendary Yoruba history like Negro-ntns, katsumoto, physicsQED and Amor4ce. If you could humble yourself, I have so much shocking stories to tell you about the origins of Yoruba people. I am talking about old myths on Yoruba origins that are being demystified day-by-day. One of them is LAMURUDU/NIMROD connection. I rest my case...

Katsumoto:

Partly correct. Islam was present in Yoruba land through traders from Songhay etc. Islam came to be accepted because of war. Islamic tutors in those days used to have charms for protection. When Afonja revolted against Alaafin Aole, he went to Sheikh Alimi for charms to reinforce himself. When the internecine wars started in the 19th century, many Yoruba sought these charms from Islamic tutors and that was how many of them converted to Islam.

maclatunji:

Thank you for the correction, I felt there was something wrong with that spelling, didn't bother to check.

Now, look at it. The Fulani captured Ilorin. How did that affect a place like Ibadan, Ogbomosho or even Lagos Island to the point that the Yoruba population is split roughly 50-50 between Islam and Christianity? The descedants of Alimi who outmaneuvered Afonja to become what is now known as the Emir of Ilorin have never exercised effective political or military control over these places.

Eze Promoe:
*Red light beeps*

LAND GRAB ALERT!

PAGAN 9JA:


you think you understand but you don't really. Im not a tribalist because I dont propagate tribal wars infact if you see my pic, you will notice that my moto calls for the unity of full-blooded tribes all over the world.

you cant call me racist because i hardly care for skin colour or physical features.

Also it hardly matters whether im Yoruba or Igbo or Cherokee or Han Chinese.

The matter at hand is the protection and preservation of our tribes for future generations.


ofcourse i undestand its not your fault that you are half-bred. however you must not try to corrupt our tribes.

sweetcheecks:

@Pagan, now go back and read slowly I said tribalist, racist and xenophobics in SA. I do not know you and have no interest to rade your profile, you are of no significance in my life, I so would not give you any of these tittles.

And by the way you do not know me either so calling me half breed just shows your shallow mind. I am a Xhosa from the Royal Thembus. Whatever you call yourself is your business, even Neo Nazis claim the same purity cause and unfortunately the world is not going to stop turning to nurse your purity delusion. Just stick to your hausa tribe and stay of others business, we wont even smell you.

About corrupting "our" tribes comment, from what I have lent hausa is already corrupt. Sorry no interest in Corrupting Hausa but Yoruba's then yah, i am all into being corrupted by their genes. Xhosa and Yoruba's are just a perfect African match, sophisticated, brainy, classy and just majestic African gods! Mmmmhhmm

Eg. Wole Soyinka - Thabo Mbeki ( intelligence)
Awolowo - Nelson Mandela ( states men)
MKO - Chris Hanni ( brave men)
Fela Kuti - Ntsikane ( future tellers, musicians)
Sweetcheeks - sweetcheeks man ( lovers)

shymexx: @9jacrip

^^^I think Islam came to Yorubaland before the 18th century. The Nupe's might have in the spread of Islam in Yorubaland, however, there were Yoruba Islamic scholars in the 16th and 17th(and probably earlier than that). Islam in Yorubaland goes way back to trading with Songhay and the Songhay empire.

Heck, there were Yoruba muslim slaves in the new world called - the imales(males) - back in the time of yore. And that should be way older than the 18th century claim.

I stand to be corrected, though.

Katsumoto:

You are correct in terms of presence of Muslims in Yorubaland but rapid conversion to Islam started in the 19th century during the internecine wars.

shymexx: @9jacrip

^^^I think Islam came to Yorubaland before the 18th century. The Nupe's might have helped in the spread of Islam in Yorubaland, however, there were Yoruba Islamic scholars in the 16th and 17th century(and probably earlier than that). Islam in Yorubaland goes way back to trading with Songhay and the Songhay empire.

Heck, there were Yoruba muslim slaves in the new world called - the imales(males) - back in the time of yore. And that should be way older than the 18th century claim.

I stand to be corrected, though.

9jacrip:



[size=14pt]It has been agreed upon that the collapse of Oyo/the Jihad opened Yorubaland to Islam.

@Maclatunji: I said trade served a purpose in spreading Islam earlier. The Nupe traded with Islamic merchants who couldn't further down south to Yorubaland as a result of tse-tse fly threat to their caravans and this led to influence of Islam in Nupe land and even their rulers such as Mohammed Wari (Etsu Nupe) became converts.
The trade between Yorubaland and Nupeland set the first stage for influx of Islam in Yorubaland. And in the 18th C, Island had spread to Oyo, Ikoyi, Iseyin, Ogbomoso, Owu, Ketu, Baagri etc And at this time Yorubas were preaching/spreading Islam to as far as Dahomey BUT the underlining fact here is that during this period (before the war/Jihad) Muslims in Yoruba land were a minority. The war/jihad exposed the whole of Yorubas to Islam and it became a mainstream religion.

I hope I've made some sense [/size]

maclatunji:

Which was not made until I shook it out of you.

gbaky_floor:

What is silly about my question?

Before this post, I had carried out my own research and I noticed the pictures of the yoruba women during the colonial era had something unique. The females all had their head hairs cut. This triggered my curiosity.

Pls notice the pictures of yoruba women posted in this thread without head gears. Are you not a tiny bit curious why they shave their head hair like men?

I thrive on knowledge. I love to know about everything. I want to know the story behind the ancient yoruba women shaving their head hairs like men. I want to know why such is no longer obtainable today.

Please if you know someone that knows someone that knows why it was that way back then, help me get the story and post it here.

It is unfortunate I don't speak Yoruba, I would have gone myself to query old Yoruba women and we all know the average Yoruba person responds perfectly only to queries that are communicated in Yoruba language.

Perhaps if my Yoruba grand mother was still alive, I would have asked her.

Please help put my curious mind to rest and I will be very grateful. Thank you.

shymexx:

Damn!!! You go girl!!

Your man must be putting that "Yoruba" work in.

Any man that can handle a massive xhosa/SA batty, is definitely worthy of all the praises in the world.

Xhosa women + Yoruba men = match made in heaven.

Katsumoto:

I know you mean well but cross-cultural mixing of bloodlines is a natural occurrence. What matters is the preservation of the language, culture, religion, and traditions. Yoruba slaves in Salvador, Brazil have copulated and produced offspring with other African groups, Portuguese, Indians, etc But Yoruba traditions have been preserved in that over 200 years since these slaves were removed from Yorubaland, you can't miss Yoruba influences in Salvador. A huge artificial lake was built dedicated to Orishas, traditional Yoruba rituals are still performed. There are purists in Brazil, Uruguay, etc who still speak Yoruba. The rituals in Salvador are conducted in Yoruba. You can still see ebo (offerings) at T-junctions. As a pagan, you will be proud of all these.

Please let the Xhosa princess be with whomever she chooses. Yoruba bloodlines, culture, traditions, religions can never be eliminated.

sweetcheecks:
Lol!
He really puts in 101% "Yoruba" work.
I would rather be disowned than be dragged off my Yoruba soul mate. Not even a Prince of my people could rip me off him. A match made in heaven truelly.
A Xhosa friend of mine in the UK also has a Yoruba man. We are truelly content and blessed.
Yorubas have the same characteristics and swagger as our Xhosa men. We are just at home with them. Xhosa women are free spirits, strong and love a challenge. They challenge us in everyway that matters.

9jacrip:

Sir, I didn't say Islam 'CAME', I said it 'spread'/became prevalent.

The trade between Yorubaland and Nupeland set the first stage for influx of Islam in Yorubaland. And in the 18th C, Islam had spread to Oyo, Ikoyi, Iseyin, Ogbomoso, Owu, Ketu, Baagri etc And at this time Yorubas were preaching/spreading Islam to as far as Dahomey

Note the use of 'influx' 'had spread'

shymexx:

That's what's up!!

I was checking a xhosa chic at Coventry Uni(she's originally from Sheffield or something) early last year before I left west midlands. Yo, her body is crazy!!!

I've not spoken to her for time but imma shout her in a bit to see what she's saying. Xhosa women gatt the juice!!!

sweetcheecks:
And by the way you do not know me either so calling me half breed just shows your shallow mind. I am a Xhosa from the Royal Thembus. Whatever you call yourself is your business, even Neo Nazis claim the same purity cause and unfortunately the world is not going to stop turning to nurse your purity delusion. Just stick to your hausa tribe and stay of others business, we wont even smell you.

About corrupting "our" tribes comment, from what I have lent hausa is already corrupt. Sorry no interest in Corrupting Hausa but Yoruba's then yah, i am all into being corrupted by their genes. Xhosa and Yoruba's are just a perfect African match, sophisticated, brainy, classy and just majestic African gods! Mmmmhhmm

Eg. Wole Soyinka - Thabo Mbeki ( intelligence)
Awolowo - Nelson Mandela ( states men)
MKO - Chris Hanni ( brave men)
Fela Kuti - Ntsikane ( future tellers, musicians)
Sweetcheeks - sweetcheeks man ( lovers)

Katsumoto:

I know you mean well but cross-cultural mixing of bloodlines is a natural occurrence. What matters is the preservation of the language, culture, religion, and traditions. Yoruba slaves in Salvador, Brazil have copulated and produced offspring with other African groups, Portuguese, Indians, etc But Yoruba traditions have been preserved in that over 200 years since these slaves were removed from Yorubaland, you can't miss Yoruba influences in Salvador. A huge artificial lake was built dedicated to Orishas, traditional Yoruba rituals are still performed. There are purists in Brazil, Uruguay, etc who still speak Yoruba. The rituals in Salvador are conducted in Yoruba. You can still see ebo (offerings) at T-junctions. As a pagan, you will be proud of all these.

Please let the Xhosa princess be with whomever she chooses. Yoruba bloodlines, culture, traditions, religions can never be eliminated.

heres another person who thinks he "understands"/"knows" me.

the SOuth AMericas are MIXED DUE TO ARTIFICIAL OCCURENCE BY THE ALREADY MIXED OYINBOS, WHO FORCED NATIVES TO MARRY THEM AND INTURN "ARTIFICIALLY" BROUGHT DIFFERENT SLAVES FROM DIFFERENT AFRICAN TRIBES INTO THE AMERICAS AND MADE THEM TO BREED WITH EACH OTHER AND THE NATIVES.

DONT YOU GET IT?! THIS IS NOT NATURAL! THIS IS ARTIFICIAL! SERVED BY AN EVIL NEED. (the transatlantic slave trade)

AND BTW ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT SOUTH AMERICAN SO-CALLED YORUBA CULTURE IS PURE? NOT THEY CANT EVEN PRONOUNCE SHANGO PROPERLY!!!! MY GODS!

ALMOST ALL OF THEM SPEAK PORTUGUESE, MIX CHRISTIANITY WITH IFA ORISHA, ETC.

HOW THEN CAN YOU SAY THAT THE CULTURE OF THE ORIGINAL TRIBES SURVIVED


PLEASE BRO, I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. ITS NOT LIKE I WOKE UP YESTERDAY AND SPAT THIS ONTO THE FORUM.

PAGAN 9JA:




heres another person who thinks he "understands"/"knows" me.

the SOuth AMericas are MIXED DUE TO ARTIFICIAL OCCURENCE BY THE ALREADY MIXED OYINBOS, WHO FORCED NATIVES TO MARRY THEM AND INTURN "ARTIFICIALLY" BROUGHT DIFFERENT SLAVES FROM DIFFERENT AFRICAN TRIBES INTO THE AMERICAS AND MADE THEM TO BREED WITH EACH OTHER AND THE NATIVES.

DONT YOU GET IT?! THIS IS NOT NATURAL! THIS IS ARTIFICIAL! SERVED BY AN EVIL NEED. (the transatlantic slave trade)

AND BTW ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT SOUTH AMERICAN SO-CALLED YORUBA CULTURE IS PURE? NOT THEY CANT EVEN PRONOUNCE SHANGO PROPERLY!!!! MY GODS!

ALMOST ALL OF THEM SPEAK PORTUGUESE, MIX CHRISTIANITY WITH IFA ORISHA, ETC.

HOW THEN CAN YOU SAY THAT THE CULTURE OF THE ORIGINAL TRIBES SURVIVED


PLEASE BRO, I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. ITS NOT LIKE I WOKE UP YESTERDAY AND SPAT THIS ONTO THE FORUM.

sweetcheecks:

Lol!
He really puts in 101% "Yoruba" work.
I would rather be disowned than be dragged off my Yoruba soul mate. Not even a Prince of my people could rip me off him. A match made in heaven truelly.
A Xhosa friend of mine in the UK also has a Yoruba man. We are truelly content and blessed.
Yorubas have the same characteristics and swagger as our Xhosa men. We are just at home with them. Xhosa women are free spirits, strong and love a challenge. They challenge us in everyway that matters.

shymexx: Answering the bird call!!

Proudly Yoruba, from waterside Ijebu, and repping for the big lasgidi!!

Hands high to the big Oduduwa and Obanta.

When I die, bury me next to my Yoruba ancestors!!

Yes sir!!

Salute!!

PAGAN 9JA:


WTF?!!!

what a senseless post!


What do you think, we African tribes are ice-cream flavours, that you just mix us up and make a dirty pudding of us

do we look like mixed-akatas


it doesnt matter whether you are royal or not. but bear in mind that you are not a TRIBAL.

Katsumoto:

Ok, I don't know you. I apologize for trying to be cordial with you.

First, no one is forced to breed; you may accuse the Portuguese of creating an environment where different groups mix and re-produce. But who is forcing different groups to mix and reproduce today? My point - man's little brain responds to the sexy woman in front of him regardless of whether they are from the same village, state, country, continent, planet.

Second, slaves had to mix Ifa worship with Catholicism to survive in the 19th century. After the abolition of slavery, many slaves reverted to pure Ifa worship while others continued with the mixed religion (Candumble in Brazil, Santeria in Cuba, etc). At least they made an effort to hold on to their traditions, religion, etc. If you want, I can provide locations for you to visit in Salvador. You will be amazed.

Third, not being able to pronounce a word properly when you have not had communication with your kin in the motherland for 200 years is not bad. Instead of focusing on the positives (they can still speak Yoruba), you are focusing on the negatives (speaking Yoruba with a Brazilian Portuguese accent). And what is wrong in speaking Portuguese? Are you yourself not communicating in a non-African language (English) using a non-African created medium?

Fourth, what are your experiences in this regard. Your derogatory comments about half-bred and mixed off-springs are considered to be in bad taste by folks like me who have mixed origins. I am proud of those origins and I value all its imperfections. I don't judge folks on whether they are Ifa worshipers, Christians, or Muslims. I don't want to share my personal experiences but you need to chill with all that preserving bloodlines ish.

onila:

sweetcheecks: