Ubenedictus: wu b the guy?? No put me for trouble oh!

^ Abeg leaf story for story tellers. You sabi the 'guy' and me know the guy too much. Any thread I enter, you will always see him there.....but the guy like tithe too much o. You dey get the gist?

Goshen360: ....please underline "as regards to faith".....Bros, you just wan hammer this my brother to reverse his statement sha. You wicked small o

i have to be sure, and yes all emphasis on 'as regards to faith'

Goshen360:

^ Abeg leaf story for story tellers. You sabi the 'guy' and me know the guy too much. Any thread I enter, you will always see him there.....but the guy like tithe too much o. You dey get the gist?

hehehehe, i only notice say dem get guy wey u dey call troll. And seriously i believe both of you can get together sometimes and break break, if u get what i mean.

@ Ube, i said Abraham is the father of faith, if u want anything more than that, sorry, i cant help u. Do u know who Adams Smith is?

The chicken has come home to roost. Despite all the scriptures @christembassy prefers to follow his own opinion. Let him be left alone @Ubenedictus, the guy said Im no be Abraham pikin. Abeg, dem no dey force am.
Next time let him leave Christians Out of it.

@CHRISTEMMBASSEY sorry about the untimely demise of your friends..rejoice they are asleep. Back to topic..you should have elaborate further on the fatherhood of Abraham so as not to receive those bashing left hooks and uppercuts from everyone..next time make your revelations clearer..i think i got one or two things from your post though it was the error of Abraham that Most people saw which was rightly corrected by our beloved sis..alwaystrue.what you are trying to say is that FAITH is baby stuff..all believers should have the Abrahamic kind of faith as a foundation to build on. For he greatest level GOD DESIRES for us to come to is LOVE." So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love".1 Corinthians 13:13. Jesus the son of the Most High God is embodies and epitomizes that LOVE.John 3:16.Abraham was a friend of God through FAITH.. we are sons of GOD through LOVE..Jesus being our elder brother..and no greater love than for a man to lay down his life for his brothers..In the natural a Father's LOVE for his Son far supersedes the love he has for his friends..how much more in SPIRITUAL THINGS. Hope i got your point sha..correct me if am wrong we are all learning..stay blessed.

Alwaystrue: The chicken has come home to roost. Despite all the scriptures @christembassy prefers to follow his own opinion. Let him be left alone @Ubenedictus, the guy said Im no be Abraham pikin. Abeg, dem no dey force am.
Next time let him leave Christians Out of it.

tell me how a goat becomes the father of a cow, its not posible because it must be after it kind. The bible has declared who a christian is, that he has to be born again, not through blood or will of man, thats y i quoted 1PETER1:23, christian were born of i'ncoruptible seed' that was y Christ had to die' i wish you know the meaning of Christ death, isreal were already the children of 'righteous Ahraham abi? Y do they need the gospel to be saved? Let me tell you, the death of Jesus was the only thing we needed not the faith of Abraham, Christ would still come if Abraham did not believed and we would not miss him.

christemmbassey: tell me how a goat becomes the father of a cow, its not posible because it must be after it kind. The bible has declared who a christian is, that he has to be born again, not through blood or will of man, thats y i quoted 1PETER1:23, christian were born of i'ncoruptible seed' that was y Christ had to die' i wish you know the meaning of Christ death, isreal were already the children of 'righteous Ahraham abi? Y do they need the gospel to be saved? Let me tell you, the death of Jesus was the only thing we needed not the faith of Abraham, Christ would still come if Abraham did not believed and we would not miss him.

Unfortunately you completely misundersand it all. Anyone not in Christ is not part of the promise of God to Abraham being the father of nations. When we become born-again and accept Jesus Christ, we become one of the many descendants of Abraham through faith:

Galatians 3:29
And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you.

It is after you belong to Christ that you become also children of Abraham and not the other way round.


Because God promised the children of Abraham will be as many as the sands of the sea shore. Gen. 22:17.


It is you coming up with the gospel that we did not need Abraham. I have told you not to go into what you cannot even back up.

Bidam: @CHRISTEMMBASSEY sorry about the untimely demise of your friends..rejoice they are asleep. Back to topic..you should have elaborate further on the fatherhood of Abraham so as not to receive those bashing left hooks and uppercuts from everyone..next time make your revelations clearer..i think i got one or two things from your post though it was the error of Abraham that Most people saw which was rightly corrected by our beloved sis..alwaystrue.what you are trying to say is that FAITH is baby stuff..all believers should have the Abrahamic kind of faith as a foundation to build on. For he greatest level GOD DESIRES for us to come to is LOVE." So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love".1 Corinthians 13:13. Jesus the son of the Most High God is embodies and epitomizes that LOVE.John 3:16.Abraham was a friend of God through FAITH.. we are sons of GOD through LOVE..Jesus being our elder brother..and no greater love than for a man to lay down his life for his brothers..In the natural a Father's LOVE for his Son far supersedes the love he has for his friends..how much more in SPIRITUAL THINGS. Hope i got your point sha..correct me if am wrong we are all learning..stay blessed.

prophet, nobody gave me uppercut or what ever, they all miss me, why is it that its almost only you that almost got my gist? Imagine d bible says-we are born of the WORD and some folks think that word mean Abraham, is Abraham=WORD? ITS NOT MY FALT THAT SOME FOLKs cant undastand Paul. Love u bro. Peace.

Alwaystrue:

Unfortunately you completely misundersand it all. Anyone not in Christ is not part of the promise of God to Abraham being the father of nations. When we become born-again and accept Jesus Christ, we become one of the many descendants of Abraham through faith:

Galatians 3:29
And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you.

It is after you belong to Christ that you become also children of Abraham and not the other way round.


Because God promised the children of Abraham will be as many as the sands of the sea shore. Gen. 22:17.


It is you coming up with the gospel that we did not need Abraham. I have told you not to go into what you cannot even back up.

I AM VERY sURE U DOnt undastand what am saying, if i may ask, do i need to bcome the child of Abraham after ive bcome a christian and for what purpose? Mind u i never chalenge Abraham as the father of faith, and bible says we are blessed WITH the faithful Abraham. I said, Abraham is not ur FATHER, can someone have 2fathers? Behold what manner of love has the father bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God 1jn3:1.

who is daring to call my father a goat and me a cow in the name of analogy? This is terrible and i demand an apology.

Image123: who is daring to call my father a goat and me a cow in the name of analogy? This is terrible and i demand an apology.

You berrer go and learn proper English. When them call your papa goat and you are cow. How about Behold the LAMB (Christ) of God that take away the sin of the world? Is Christ then a lamb? Abeg go sidon abi you just dey come finish your trolling job you started ni?

Alwaystrue: @Image123,
I have been wanting to undertand your views on the law and the prophets which many struggle to understand.
Remember when Jesus said to His disciples, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, his disciples did not understand as they saw that literarily instead of the spirit behind the word of Jesus. Indeed the letter killeth.

From your discussion above, could you expantiate further on this seeing that the law is holy and is not sin.

If you read the continuation of Goshen scripture post above, this is exactly what Christ meant when He said the Spirit giveth life:

II Corinthians 3:14-18
14 But the people’s minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.
15 Yes, even today when they read Moses’ writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand.
16 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
18 So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.


Personally I think this explains a lot of why the children of Israel could not obey the law as they followed the letter, instead of the intent and spirit behind why God instituted the law. What is your take?

Well, this is like a/the toughest question or something, i hope i'm not going to write a thesis. The phrase 'the law and the prophets' refer basically to the old testament Bible or what some call the Jewish scripture. That is Genesis to Malachi.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Joh 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Act 13:15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.

It is sometimes referred to simply as the law i.e the whole OT can be called 'the law'e.g
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods
where Jesus is actually referring to Psalm 82v6 as law. Or it could be further subdivided in different forms and systems. In subdivisions, 'the law' broadly refers to the first five books of the Bible, or the books of Moses. Or we may cut it further specifically to just 'Moses' or 'the law of Moses'. In this cut, Genesis is informally cut and referred to as before the law.
Galat 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Also, John talks of the law coming with Moses which implies that there is some law that starts around Exodus chapter something. Not to get bugged with all these, we need to understand that God's Word itself is law. So even before the law, there was the law. BTW, from Adam, God never wanted man to live under the law but under life. But we remember Adam chose the law, knowing good and evil, and since then, we've been on that. Now the purpose of the law whether of Moses or whoever, is to show us what we refuse to know. And that is that we are guilty. Adam never thought he was guilty and neither do his children.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Imagine, learning one lesson for about 3000years, and some are still yet to learn it! God bombards us as it were, with sundry laws, and even raises it higher in the new testament Bible. If anyone thinks the OT Bible laws are hard, he perhaps has not truly read the new testament. The laws of the NT are impossible as it were. That's what Jesus often tried to convince His audience. Some came and said "I've done these and done that", He in His superior knowledge simply added one that He knew was impossible for the fellow. There was always some one thing thou lackest. That's the law for you, it can't save. All our efforts and righteousness is just rubbish at best before God. Keeping the law cannot justify anybody because nobody can keep it. You can only try and almost is not good enough before God. But thank God for Jesus.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

It is Jesus that brought hope and grace. Grace is basically divine help. If there is nothing to help with, God would not send divine help(grace). Grace came through Jesus, and it is that grace that now enables us to be righteous and saved before God and able to obey God.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

NOTE the difference please. In the past, people tried to do good works to receive God's approval. They tried to obey God's law to be justified. But it is impossible. Grace has come that helps us to be justified by faith without really doing anything. After this justification, we obey God. Our works are not so as to be justified.(Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. ) Now before i go on to 'the letter' explanation, it is needful to state the attitude and disposition of Bible characters to the law, especially to Moses.
Mar 7:10 For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother; and, whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

Jesus Christ never had a negative word for the law(whatever name one calls it now, Moses, book of Moses, law of Moses etc). Instead He used it to establish truth. Abraham is also seen as endorsing it,
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
Here it is referred to as the Scriptures.

Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Joh 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
This question posed by Jesus above is still mind boggling to me, because we have folks on nl that do not regard or believe Moses' writings, how can they really believe Jesus. It's like the passage John wrote about loving God and loving humans whom you see.

Act 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Now, the way folks talk about Paul, one can easily assume that he puked anytime he heard the word 'Moses' or 'law'. But here we see him saying nothing different from Moses.
Act 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Paul quoted [size=14pt]COPIOUSLY[/size] from Moses and the old testament generally to add more weight to his message, folks here think its vogue to disregard and trample on the law. Let me re-quote Paul's praise of the law as alwaystrue already did.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Here is Paul the apostle eulogizing what we largely know as the OT scriptures. Space will fail me to let the law speak for itself. Let's go to another NT character,

Jam 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jam 2:8 If ye fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Here is James, and consider putting one's self in Bible times/shoes. James is one of the first new testament books to be written if not the first. The christians(jew and gentile) were students of the Word of God. Most of them didn't even have the NT Bible like we do today. They all took the OT as the Scriptures, royal and perfect. They were not involved in trying to show how useless Moses is, or how the OT Bible does not apply again.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

(BBE) Everyone who is a sinner goes against the law, for sin is going against the law.

John the beloved thought sin is the transgression of the law. He did not think he was writing anything strange to the law. Like i explained it is the same thing, even higher. The new covenant introduces grace, and what grace does is to help us from being primary school failures to becoming university undergraduates. It helps us to be justified, a feat we could never achieve on our own. And then helps us to obey God.
1Jo 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

So the law is holy and is not sin. Moses is not sin, sin is the transgression of the law, abi na the transgressio n of Moses.
Neh 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.
Now, it has been stated that the purpose of the law(old or new) is to make every one guilty, to kill you as it were. The letter kills. Every scripture should be God-breathed or like some folks say, made rhema. It is the Spirit that gives life. Like i once used an analogy, i'll repeat it. There used to be a popular law in lagos state for people on motor cycles to use helmets. The spirit of this law is to have an understanding of the essence of the law and to abide by it whether you are been monitored or fined or not. The letter of this law would be to put on helmets close to the police/ enforcement agent checkpoint. There are some that wear head gear and hang the crash helmet on the head-gear. they have kept the letter of the law and nobody will stop them or fine them. Many helmets are not the size of the passenger, but the passenger just put it for one reason or the other. That's like the letter. Similarly, when we obey the Word of God, just y the letter, it hurts us more. It gives us mere head knowledge and no life. The highest one can attain with the letter of the law is insight and good theology through meditation. But there is another realm, it's the spirit-life realm of REVELATION. One can know the letter of scriptures(OT and NT) on healing and be dying in cheap pain. But revelation from just a verse that might not even directly speak of the "By His stripes" format, that's Spirit. the spirit gives life. It's long already, lemme round off. Consider som of these scriptures/words of Jesus for instance. the letter would literally kill somebody.
Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Luk 14:12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbors; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompense be made thee.

Luk 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.


Luk 9:48 And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.

This bros, Image123 dey vex o. Chei, you go fear epistle according to Saint Image123 naw.

Image123: who is daring to call my father a goat and me a cow in the name of analogy? This is terrible and i demand an apology.

You aren't?

Goshen360:

You berrer go and learn proper English. When them call your papa goat and you are cow. How about Behold the LAMB (Christ) of God that take away the sin of the world? Is Christ then a lamb? Abeg go sidon abi you just dey come finish your trolling job you started ni?

Image12Olodo don dey turn Image123roll...

christemmbassey: Wao, amazing, God bless you all. 1st, i have to apologize to all of you for my suden disapearance after pleading for a chance to conclude the Op. The reason is this, some brethren lost their lives as they were returning from a crusade on satday morning, young believers full of dreams for the Lord. Uptill now its very hard for me.

Good morning Christem,

I just saw this! I have not been following the thread! Like others before me, I am deeply distressed by this news. God knows best! I pray he grants you the fortitude to accept this and grant the souls of the departed brethren eternal solace through Christ.

#Sorry for your 'loss'!

@Image123,
This is detailed and very explanatory. I will come and comment later.

@striktlymi

Just saw this now , wow !! Life is indeed short.

May God grant us widsom to live our days on earth wisely.


My sincere and deepest sympathy @ christemmbasse.

frosbel: @striktlymi

Just saw this now , wow !! Life is indeed short.

May God grant us widsom to live our days on earth wisely.


My sincere and deepest sympathy @ christemmbasse.

God will help us to number our days. Tnx to all, that is wiy i always insist we should leave all these stomach inspired gospels and preach the gospel of Jesus.

christemmbassey: @ Ube, i said Abraham is the father of faith, if u want anything more than that, sorry, i cant help u. Do u know who Adams Smith is?

sorry my dear, abraham is not "the father of faith" the bible doesn't say that. Abraham is the father of those who believe as regards to faith. If u can't concur with the bible then i think this is a waste of time.

Alwaystrue: The chicken has come home to roost. Despite all the scriptures @christembassy prefers to follow his own opinion. Let him be left alone @Ubenedictus, the guy said Im no be Abraham pikin. Abeg, dem no dey force am.
Next time let him leave Christians Out of it.

well, i tried to put it word for word with scripture, e say e no want.

christemmbassey: prophet, nobody gave me uppercut or what ever, they all miss me, why is it that its almost only you that almost got my gist? Imagine d bible says-we are born of the WORD and some folks think that word mean Abraham, is Abraham=WORD? ITS NOT MY FALT THAT SOME FOLKs cant undastand Paul. Love u bro. Peace.

actually like alwaystrue said, you have mixed everything up! Nobody said the above.
Scripture says if you are in christ, counted among those who believe, born again, a christian, then you are a seed of abraham according to faith . This is true whether u like it or not, whether u accept it or not.

christemmbassey: I AM VERY sURE U DOnt undastand what am saying, if i may ask, do i need to bcome the child of Abraham after ive bcome a christian and for what purpose? Mind u i never chalenge Abraham as the father of faith, and bible says we are blessed WITH the faithful Abraham. I said, Abraham is not ur FATHER, can someone have 2fathers? Behold what manner of love has the father bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God 1jn3:1.

you dont need to become a biological child of abraham after you are born again, the reality is, the moment you are born again you become a child of abraham by faith. You dont need to become a child of abraham AFTER you are born again. The moment you are born again you are a child of abraham according to faith.
The implication of denying the "spiritual fatherhood" of abraham is that you are directly denying that you are born again.

Goshen360: This bros, Image123 dey vex o. Chei, you go fear epistle according to Saint Image123 naw.

stop they pull e leg.

Ubenedictus: actually like alwaystrue said, you have mixed everything up! Nobody said the above.
Scripture says if you are in christ, counted among those who believe, born again, a christian, then you are a seed of abraham according to faith . This is true whether u like it or not, whether u accept it or not.

bro this is not an inquisition we are studying the word of God here freely so the question of whether 'u like it or not' does not arise. Remember i said something about undastanding Paul? Now, thats where the adopted children of Abraham missed it. The Word seed as used in Gen 3:15 and Gen12:3 and Gal3:29 etc may be the same word but caries dif connatations, it means the redeemer, son, line(age) an acti in the case of Abraham (faith) etc. do u know that faith is also described as a 'seed' ? 2thes1:3 because if u cultivate it, it can grow, thats why we have little faith matt 14:31, great faith matt 15:28 etc. So this faith thing that connects the christian and Abraham is like saying Heroditus is the father of history and all historians regards him as such does it mean that he is the father of all historians? NO, but some historian who adores him because of what he did with history can write a very good piece and say that all historians are the children of Herodutus. It is common knowledge that if u do something as good as a pioneer u may b called the child of that person just because of that act(seed) u've displayed. Maybe, just maybe If Christ did not die it would been easier and Christ died and removed every trace of Adam, and we believe in the Glorified Christ who himself never claimed to be the son of Abraham. We have faith just like Abraham but God is our father. We live in a better dispensation with a better life . We are new creation with a dif type of life, u cant trace our origin to Abraham. Finaly, THE MAN THAT HAD FAiTH LIKE ABRAHAM and believed WAS REPLACED BY THIS NEW BOrN AGAIN MAN, so actually no connection. Now i know this is even harder. Peace

@Image123,
Your explanations were straight to the point. Jesus gave help and grace hence when we believe in Him, we have the veil of the written code taken away so much that we can see the truth of the law of the Lord and act out the good works through the help of God. That now becomes the law of liberty as we have all help available through the Holy Spirit to do great works for the Lord.
That is why the bible says, if we sin willfully:

Hebrews 10:25-29
25 And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near.
26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. 27 There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies.
28 For anyone who refused to obey the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

May we utilise the grace of God to constantly be guided by the spirit in all truth. Amen.


@Ubenedictus,
It is OK. The Holy spirit is guiding us in all truth, we will all understand by and by.

christemmbassey: bro this is not an inquisition we are studying the word of God here freely so the question of whether 'u like it or not' does not arise. Remember i said something about undastanding Paul? Now, thats where the adopted children of Abraham missed it. The Word seed as used in Gen 3:15 and Gen12:3 and Gal3:29 etc may be the same word but caries dif connatations, it means the redeemer, son, line(age) an acti in the case of Abraham (faith) etc. do u know that faith is also described as a 'seed' ? 2thes1:3 because if u cultivate it, it can grow, thats why we have little faith matt 14:31, great faith matt 15:28 etc. So this faith thing that connects the christian and Abraham is like saying Heroditus is the father of history and all historians regards him as such does it mean that he is the father of all historians? NO, but some historian who adores him because of what he did with history can write a very good piece and say that all historians are the children of Herodutus. It is common knowledge that if u do something as good as a pioneer u may b called the child of that person just because of that act(seed) u've displayed. Maybe, just maybe If Christ did not die it would been easier and Christ died and removed every trace of Adam, and we believe in the Glorified Christ who himself never claimed to be the son of Abraham. We have faith just like Abraham but God is our father. We live in a better dispensation with a better life . We are new creation with a dif type of life, u cant trace our origin to Abraham. Finaly, THE MAN THAT HAD FAiTH LIKE ABRAHAM and believed WAS REPLACED BY THIS NEW BOrN AGAIN MAN, so actually no connection. Now i know this is even harder. Peace

sorry my dear, somethings are certain and i believe paul spoke in certain terms he said by faith those who believe are "seeds of abraham", the meaning of seeds in this context is simple it means "by faith we ar CHILDREN of abraham", i see no reason why you wish to twist as turn "seed" to mean another thing.



If i was good at throwing the word "heresy" around, i would have no problem taging the bolded as such. You said d man that had faith like abraham was replaced by the new born again man, that is nonsense. Your old man, the self of sin was replaced by a new man, a born again man who by faith is a child of abraham, and in christ is a heir of abraham's blessings.
Goshen u were d guy busy endorsing the message i hope you take time to correct the bolded.

This is why i earlier said you were simply shrouding yourself.

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@Ubenedictus,
It is OK. The Holy spirit is guiding us in all truth, we will all understand by and by.

hmm!

Alwaystrue: @Image123,
Your explanations were straight to the point. Jesus gave help and grace hence when we believe in Him, we have the veil of the written code taken away so much that we can see the truth of the law of the Lord and act out the good works through the help of God. That now becomes the law of liberty as we have all help available through the Holy Spirit to do great works for the Lord.
That is why the bible says, if we sin willfully:

Hebrews 10:25-29
25 And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near.
26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. 27 There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies.
28 For anyone who refused to obey the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

May we utilise the grace of God to constantly be guided by the spirit in all truth. Amen

yippee! i passed, thanks be to God. lol.
Just kidding, don't mind me. Amen to the prayer

Ubenedictus: sorry my dear, somethings are certain and i believe paul spoke in certain terms he said by faith those who believe are "seeds of abraham", the meaning of seeds in this context is simple it means "by faith we ar CHILDREN of abraham", i see no reason why you wish to twist as turn "seed" to mean another thing.



If i was good at throwing the word "heresy" around, i would have no problem taging the bolded as such. You said d man that had faith like abraham was replaced by the new born again man, that is nonsense. Your old man, the self of sin was replaced by a new man, a born again man who by faith is a child of abraham, and in christ is a heir of abraham's blessings.
Goshen u were d guy busy endorsing the message i hope you take time to correct the bolded.

This is why i earlier said you were simply shrouding yourself.

goshen where art thou?