rhymz: That is so not true jor. . . Kids that grew up in the north? Are you serious?
Guy, I have seen some realy bright kids in average schools in Lagos, not neccessarily Yoruba or Igbo though. In general terms, Lagos kids speaker better English with a likeable accent compared to their counterpart both in other SW and Eastern states, that's why most times people confuse their attractive accent and better english to being more brilliant.

I guess you are a lagos kid hence you "speaker" better grammar than I do .

Anyways, everyone would try to defend his or her own so make we leave matter for mathias.

freecocoa: I guess you are a lagos kid hence you "speaker" better grammar than I do .

Anyways, everyone would try to defend his or her own so make we leave matter for mathias.

don't mind him....
the environment plays a very big role. kids raised from OAU/UI staff quarters speak better english than any lagosian or abujite......

freecocoa: I guess you are a lagos kid hence you "speaker" better grammar than I do .

Anyways, everyone would try to defend his or her own so make we leave matter for mathias.

dayokanu:

But Nigerians still top the countries that export Pr0stitutes most, one of the leading yahoo yahoo, one of the rising militants etc despite the "discipline" we get

that America wey you dey must be some perfect utopian countries where there are no prostitutes, yahooyahoo boys and other social manifestations of harsh economic realities

Your sisters' kids will end up as area boys or armed robbers. That's the way it starts, isn't it?

bebe2: i didnt know the best way to structure the subject jare , but i know wat i want to ask

pple often assume that kids living abroad are spoilt. e.g my mum came to visit and she kept complaining my kids are spoilt. so and so cant wash dishes, so n so cries too much etc. children at home dnt behave like this u need to be firmer.
then i went home to visit and met my sister's kids (they live wit my mum), oh dear lord, the 6yr old was rotten he wanted his way and he got it. he would scream the house down. disobey u and runoutside as if to say come and chase me. my mum kept saying " may God deliver dis boy o" i cudnt keep to my self i had to confront my mum. she said no mind am o, na devil dey manifest himself.

wats ur opinion or experience

AjanleKoko:

In the 90s, cable TV wasn't as pervasive as it is today, and the Internet didn't exist.
Now my children don't even watch TV, they watch their fav shows on YouTube, and they are both under seven.

Leave that not-talking-back story. Children in NG freely talk back to their elders. Maybe not like dem rotten oyinbo kids, but they're way more outspoken than they used to be. Now it is even frowned upon to beat children in Nigeria, in middle-class circles

only people in lag [for the most part] had access to cable tv, via those satelitte 'plates'

growing up in ilorin, all i had was nta ilorin, which meant 30 minutes of cartoons from 5-5.30 , and 1960s movies
we had a betamax and my dad didn't like movies

was not until late 90s when we joined a video club in ilorin - and that was mostly crap cinema dubs - truly horrific dubs that mean i NEVER download camrips

my kids have dstv, and over 100gb of animated movies dled by dad

my son is outspoken to a T - the boy regularly chastises me - daddy you're not doing this, daddy you farted,

Going by the op's comparative question...especially based between the 2 areas...Nigeria..a country and abroad..meaning every other country in the world...please need i remind you that Nigerian kids ain't timid...the talk less and listen more...now thats what i call smartness..Respect wise...they 'v got it..more the kids abroad..you need to see how inferior most kids around my block were when i first landed nashvile...kids abroad are more like fragile and banana looking...

Going by the op's comparative question...especially based between the 2 areas...Nigeria..a country and abroad..meaning every other country in the world...please need i remind you that Nigerian kids ain't timid...the talk less and listen more...now thats what i call smartness..Respect wise...they 'v got it..more than kids abroad..you need to see how inferior most kids around my block were when i first landed nashvile...kids abroad are more like fragile and banana looking...

this topic again.

does it not depend on the way the parents bring up the kids

One would think Naija would be utopia given the way talk we about discipline and respect for elders bla bla bla. Why do these well raised and not so naughty naija kids grow up to be such horrendous adults?

As far as I am concerned, you get what you put in kid. My kids are generally outspoken and when they say things that I consider inappropriate, I tell them such should not be said to people older than them.

My 6 yr old told me to mind my business the other day when I asked what she was watching on Youtube. I just told her not to repeat that to me or anyone else older than her. She then said Mrs Bloice, her teacher say it to them all the time. I pointed out to her that Mrs Bloice is allowed to say such because she is your teacher and she is older than you.

One time I asked her to pass me the remote TV and she said 'Mummy, what's the magic word?' So, I said please darling pass me the remote, she is right to demand that as she does not have pick up the remote for me because she is my kid.

ItsModella: Definitely kids abroad. Some of them are bottom line spoilt, it's ridiculous. Nigerian kids for the most part are wired not to talk back at an elder with reckless abandon. The consequences of that action won't even allow you to act up.

Abroad, they think spanking a child translates to child abuse. Foster care people can actually take your child away because of that. So that has given the kids the leverage to act up and get away with it.

Went to visit a friend and their children just finished their food ...and it was "Mum" who packed the plates!
(eldest was about 12yrs and her brother was like 10yrs)

So that we can have our discuss, "Mum" asked eldest to go wash the plates and she replied "confidently": No Mum, you go do it, l need to go see my friend next door!

I was horrified and the Mum looked at me helplessly and embarrassed. I just smiled and in my mind, l was thinking "Na dis one go kill you in a few years time"

Its like she read my mind, she went and pulled the daughter in a "show of shakara" but the girl calmly (and that is what l like most about abroad kids, dem no send at all)removed her hand and said: Mum, if you touch me again, its CHILD ABUSE and I WILL CALL THE POLICE!

The Mum just "melted" like a deflated tire!

Anyway, l gave her a way out of her embarrassment by telling her not to worry, the girl would come back and do the washing (I knew nothing like that was ever going to happen!)

Yea, kids abroad are outspoken, upfront about how they feel and they dont give a hoot BUT......

*Should there not be a difference between a CHILD and a PARENT?

*Dont Parents have a responsibility to bring-Up their children in a responsible manner?

*Is there anything like "RESPECT and HONOR YOUR PARENTS" ...in our dictionary anymore?

*Whose interest does it serve, to have wayward children parading the block, in the name of independence?

*Dont even mention those "Child-Welfare folks", most of them are disgruntled, bitter and relationship/marital failures and their policy (like that of the west in areas of sex!) is "We are destroyed and we must destroy you too"!

We cant win everything: What Nigerian kids loose in "boldness and being upfront", they gain in good moral grounding ....and l would rather my kid have good moral grounding that become an slowpoke at a young age.

Here in the "West" and you will see that 75% of criminality are attributed to KIDS between the age of 9yrs and 15years! "The Untouchable Years"!

We as Parents, have a Choice,...as much as crazy laws will allow.

rhymz: that America wey you dey must be some perfect utopian countries where there are no prostitutes, yahooyahoo boys and other social manifestations of harsh economic realities

Thing is the people here that first opined that Nigerians are better the fact is people are the same everywhere.

All the discipline we get in Nigeria still doesnt stop us from being the most morally corrupt being everywhere. So whats the purpose of the discipline? To fear elders but to turn to agberos and pr0stitutes later?

Its Nigerians who always have this sanctimonious outlook to life

alaoeri: Op there are naughty kids everywhere, what u need to ask is the percentage, which one is higher home or abroad & i think its abroad. For example don't be silly dad where i come from that's an insult both for yankee nothing dey there.

dat one na small insult, what about "shut up grand pa" or "grand pa i said u should shut up"

MacLovington: .

Opinions are repressed in Naija due to seniority. This repression can find release in many unpleasant ways such as cultism where at least you find equality of sorts. Not to mention other vices.

Cultism you say in Naija then i say street gangs abroad.

dayokanu:

Thing is the people here that first opined that Nigerians are better the fact is people are the same everywhere.

All the discipline we get in Nigeria still doesnt stop us from being the most morally corrupt being everywhere. So whats the purpose of the discipline? To fear elders but to turn to agberos and pr0stitutes later?

Its Nigerians who always have this sanctimonious outlook to life

the strong breed and rascal speaketh

armyofone:

the strong breed and rascal speaketh

Dont you like me like that?

Amelian:

but why would a kid talk back to his or her elders? To prove what? That they are really outspoken and rude?... By the time an outspoken and upfront child embarrasses you, infront of your friends and colleagues, and you see the frown and shock on their faces, then u will understand. A child should be trained on how to listen , think before asking questions mildly , not lousely. And when that outspoken child grows up, especially the mum the op says na devil dey display, abi?
Don't worry when he grows up, I pray say the Devil no go truly display... Then the mother will know what unrest , high bp, and fear means, especially when she is old and frail.
Av seen such scenarios, happen on several occasions, and where does it leads? Uncontrollable tears and incessant increase of Bp, which leads to untimely death of such parents.
To before warned , is to before armed...am not saying terrorize a child when bringing him or her up, but train children wisely and firmly.

Thats not the issue. Nobody said talking back is good but what coogar is saying is that children raised abroad have a different ideology that disposes them to be naughty. Otherwise, children raised in nigeria would have been the same way

rascal with $$ ofc

See question o, na wa o, its the way the kid is being brought up, couple with environmental influence, everything na levels, i tink d degree of kids being rude is higher abroad, than in nigeria, u cnt compare na. But children dy dis country inside those butty estate 4 lag, abj and other urban cities, wen spoil like shyt o nd na their parents cause am. Bt d difference is u fit break d pikin head 4 9ja notin go happen, bt 4 yank...b4 u even shout 4 ur pikin, police don handcuff u.

naijababe: One would think Naija would be utopia given the way talk we about discipline and respect for elders bla bla bla. Why do these well raised and not so naughty naija kids grow up to be such horrendous adults?

As far as I am concerned, you get what you put in kid. My kids are generally outspoken and when they say things that I consider inappropriate, I tell them such should not be said to people older than them.

My 6 yr old told me to mind my business the other day when I asked what she was watching on Youtube. I just told her not to repeat that to me or anyone else older than her. She then said Mrs Bloice, her teacher say it to them all the time. I pointed out to her that Mrs Bloice is allowed to say such because she is your teacher and she is older than you.

One time I asked her to pass me the remote TV and she said 'Mummy, what's the magic word?' So, I said please darling pass me the remote, she is right to demand that as she does not have pick up the remote for me because she is my kid.

hmmmmmmmm,orisirisi iranu

Nigerian kids

its not a surprise to me because it had been prophesied to be like that because an apple dont fall far from the tree, read Isaiah 3:5 for confirmation

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From personal experience and lots of research, kids living abroad are not only spoilt but also generally rude.

Nigerian kids (especially those that stays with grandparent) are spoilt brat. However, kids living abroad have negative personality that sees them assume that overbearing and non chalant attitude and behaviour towards their senior or family members.

Kids abroad lack moral upbringing and values. Although they later in life succeed, atttribute goes to the educational system available to them.

Kids abroad gets easily brainwashed and make to believe everything they see or read in the dailies and tv. They disrespect their parents and even call the police on them when punished or dealt with.

bee444: From personal experience and lots of research, kids living abroad are not only spoilt but also generally rude.

Nigerian kids (especially those that stays with grandparent) are spoilt brat. However, kids living abroad have negative personality that sees them assume that overbearing and non chalant attitude and behaviour towards their senior or family members.

Kids abroad lack moral upbringing and values. Although they later in life succeed, atttribute goes to the educational system available to them.

Kids abroad gets easily brainwashed and make to believe everything they see or read in the dailies and tv. They disrespect their parents and even call the police on them when punished or dealt with.

This is a ridiculous generalization.

talina:

This is a ridiculous generalization.

Yes it is. The amount of overly protection these kids (abroad) receives is ridiculous and totally bonkers. Eating chicken and chips all day rather than family meal has taken away that family values away from them.

Aside from the political reasons (stigmatization and racism) behind these kids behaviors, the parents themselves aren't any better. Single parenting accounts for most of these behaviors. A family with no fatherly figure always finds it difficult to raise a responsible kid.

bee444:

Yes it is. The amount of overly protection these kids (abroad) receives is ridiculous and totally bonkers. Eating chicken and chips all day rather than family meal has taken away that family values away from them.

Aside from the political reasons (stigmatization and racism) behind these kids behaviors, the parents themselves aren't any better. Single parenting accounts for most of these behaviors. A family with no fatherly figure always finds it difficult to raise a responsible kid.

You are judging ALL parents and children abroad by saying this. Abroad means MANY different countries and MANY different parenting styles. I personally have seen well brought up children and not so well brought up children(abroad). It depends on the parents.

talina:

You are judging ALL parents and children abroad by saying this. Abroad means MANY different countries and MANY different parenting styles. I personally have seen well brought up children and not so well brought up children(abroad). It depends on the parents.

The topic is about naughty kids, so let's talk about the rationale behind their naughtiness.

bee444:

The topic is about naughty kids, so let's talk about the rationale behind their naughtiness.

I was responding to your generalizing and untrue statements. Please reread my last post.

It depends on how u train ur child. As for me my 14month old baby whenever she is bhavin nasty, u know children now? I'll just giv her a nasty look she will corprate sharp sharp

Well u can't expect an insane set of parents to raise a well mannered kids. If their parents are rotten surely the kids are already decayed even before they were given birth to. Even the west that we follow like cheap MALU they give their kids RED NOISE when they deserve one and they take no nonsense from kids but these days alot of parents can't even talk sense to a kid when they have nothing sensible upstairs to talk. To me it depends on how,where they were raised but MAINLY depends on HOW