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Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by UyiIredia(m): 3:29pm On Aug 17, 2013
Would God be God if he is held accountable to His actions whether he contradicted them or not ?

@ OP: God is good in spite of the patent evil he has done, does, or will do.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by Enigma(m): 3:36pm On Aug 17, 2013
Kay 17:

Thehomer has exposed a tragic fundamental flaw in Christian morality, that God is actually above morality and hence moral description are insufficient to describe him.

That the Divine in its purity can neither be said to be either good or bad, rather imposes morality on the basis of Strength. Hence for man to ascend divinity or its semblance, morality must be shoved aside.

With regard to thehomer's examples, genocide and the destruction of the weak, namely women, children and the innocent. God expressed his Strength to the extent of tearing down his own laws.



This does not actually justify anything, because you didn't address God intentions behind this action. His intents are the real cause.

In other words you agree with Uyi that God can do whatever He likes and is not bound by the same "morality" as human beings may be! And that He is still good, even though he is not bound by human morality!

So what is the problem then?

smiley
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by Kay17: 4:37pm On Aug 17, 2013
Enigma:

In other words you agree with Uyi that God can do whatever He likes and is not bound by the same "morality" as human beings may be! And that He is still good, even though he is not bound by human morality!

So what is the problem then?

smiley

Exactly!!

However God cannot be described in moral terms.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by Enigma(m): 4:38pm On Aug 17, 2013
Kay 17:

Exactly!!

However God cannot be described in moral terms.

smiley
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by thehomer: 4:49pm On Aug 17, 2013
Uyi Iredia: Would God be God if he is held accountable to His actions whether he contradicted them or not ?

He would be unworthy of worship.

Uyi Iredia:
@ OP: God is good in spite of the patent evil he has done, does, or will do.

Then you're merely confused with regards to what it means to be good. If someone keeps on perpetrating evil, why would you say he is good?
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by Kay17: 5:23pm On Aug 17, 2013
Enigma:

smiley

Also deny morality any inherent value.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight: 6:36pm On Aug 17, 2013
Exactly what is the intent of this your question i dont know, is it a genuine quest or an intent to 'mockl' thinking the soil is fertile ? I cant really say.

However, setting things straight for the record is what i feel is necessary.

thehomer: @ Image123


Since you think it is a baseless assumption, please answer this simple question. Did God know that drowning everyone except Noah and his crew will not end evil? Please answer with a yes or no.



^

picking out scriptures haphazardly is not a rational thing for one to do, not if one slightly have the mind that this 'God' is slightly intelligent and will not do things without a reason.

But you, am afraid that some how in your mind is a done conclusion that "nothing good can come out of Nazareth".

You somehow thinks that Yahweh is "foolish". Smh.

If the reason for destroying the world in Noah's day was to absolutely obliterate evil (though Noah was still an imperfect son of Adam that can make mistakes) and not to destroy a world inwhich super natural being and their offspring caused a lot of violence :

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
"And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them." (Genesis 1-7).
...............

If that ^ was not the reason why Yahweh destroyed that world, can you please tell me how this prophesy below will have come to pass since it had not yet had fulfilment befor the flood ? :



"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
(Genesis 3:15).
......................

That ^ finally fulfilled in Jesus.

If Yahweh's intentions was what you said, how would that prophesy about the seed of the woman(the messiah) have come to pass ?

You should answer, cause you are the one that made the deduction of what Yahweh's failed intention was.

If you cant answer, who then is the foolish one then ? You! No ? !
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by Image123(m): 10:33pm On Aug 17, 2013
thehomer:
Obviously, you're the one not thinking.

Since you think it is a baseless assumption, please answer this simple question. Did God know that drowning everyone except Noah and his crew will not end evil? Please answer with a yes or no.
Mr rigmarole, the onus is on you. You have been told to show why your statement that God "didn't know drowning everyone except Noah and his crew won't end evil" has a base or foundation. Don't be shy. Tell us why? Did you read it somewhere, or you heard it in a dram, or it dropped from your mouth? Why do you claim that God know that drowning everyone except Noah and his crew won't end evil? i want to know your reason or support for such a statement, else it remains unfounded and baseless. As to your question, the answer is a big YES. Now do the honour of answering/telling us your basis, before further questions.




How am I not interested in hearing? So far, I've destroyed every single response you've posted. And I suspect that is why you've now shifted to whining and crying about hearing and being heard. If you're unable to show how your God is good with what the Bible says he has done, then don't blame me, blame your God or the Bible.
Do you speak french? i just explained how you are not interested in hearing. When you say that it is a bad idea to try to get you to appeal to God's laws, it means your mind is already made up. i do not know what you mean by "destroyed every single response", perhaps its a phrase for saying that you have quoted every response of mine. You sound as childish as logicb, who comes and says stuff like "debunk" like that is a punctuation mark. God is good all the time, do you need scriptures that say that, so that you can say you have been shown?
Psa 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
Psa 118:1 O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: because his mercy endureth forever.

i doubt that you are happy now.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by thehomer: 11:27pm On Aug 17, 2013
Image123:
Mr rigmarole, the onus is on you. You have been told to show why your statement that God "didn't know drowning everyone except Noah and his crew won't end evil" has a base or foundation. Don't be shy. Tell us why? Did you read it somewhere, or you heard it in a dram, or it dropped from your mouth? Why do you claim that God know that drowning everyone except Noah and his crew won't end evil? i want to know your reason or support for such a statement, else it remains unfounded and baseless. As to your question, the answer is a big YES. Now do the honour of answering/telling us your basis, before further questions.

What is wrong with you? Are you high? Or just drunk? Did you read my previous posts? You're confirming that God knew his flood won't wipe out evil so why did he then send the flood? You've just demonstrated the sort of God you worship. You worship one who knows his actions will fail and cause lots of suffering with its failure but he goes on to do it anyway. What a joke both of you are.

Image123:
Do you speak french? i just explained how you are not interested in hearing. When you say that it is a bad idea to try to get you to appeal to God's laws, it means your mind is already made up. i do not know what you mean by "destroyed every single response", perhaps its a phrase for saying that you have quoted every response of mine. You sound as childish as logicb, who comes and says stuff like "debunk" like that is a punctuation mark. God is good all the time, do you need scriptures that say that, so that you can say you have been shown?
Psa 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
Psa 118:1 O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: because his mercy endureth forever.

i doubt that you are happy now.

You just have to be smoking weed and crack while drinking 3 litres of 100 proof vodka to be spouting the sort of rubbish I'm reading here. Please wait until you're fully detoxed so you can write a more sensible response.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by thehomer: 11:35pm On Aug 17, 2013
@ truthislight

I really don't see the point of your rambling. Please try to write concise responses.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by UyiIredia(m): 12:00am On Aug 18, 2013
thehomer:

He would be unworthy of worship.

Why ?

thehomer: Then you're merely confused with regards to what it means to be good. If someone keeps on perpetrating evil, why would you say he is good?

He does good eg giving life, beauty, wealth etc >>> BTW, what does it mean to be good ? >>> Try to answer the question without resorting to circularity.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight: 12:36am On Aug 18, 2013
thehomer: @ truthislight

I really don't see the point of your rambling. Please try to write concise responses.

LIAR !

We now know who is ignorant ! , not Yahweh.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight: 12:46am On Aug 18, 2013
thehomer: @ truthislight

I really don't see the point of your rambling. Please try to write concise responses.

When someone locks himself in a box in a desert and starts screaming at the top of his voice while imagining that his voice has stoped the ears of all other people in the world, it is a clue to let us know that the persons problem is not an ordinary problem, but is rooted deep down inside the person as an abnormality.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight: 12:51am On Aug 18, 2013
thehomer: @ truthislight

I really don't see the point of your rambling. Please try to write concise responses.

How can i write another "responds" since your comprehension is this bad ?



It will be a waste of my time and effort.

Peace.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by thehomer: 10:47am On Aug 18, 2013
Uyi Iredia:

Why ?

Because evil people are unworthy of worship. Or do you think evil people are worthy of worship?

Uyi Iredia:
He does good eg giving life, beauty, wealth etc >>> BTW, what does it mean to be good ? >>> Try to answer the question without resorting to circularity.

Why don't you tell me what it means to be good? After all, you're the one trying to defend the one who gave the command while you're at it, let me know how his command to kill children meets that idea.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight: 12:52pm On Aug 18, 2013
truthislight: Exactly what is the intent of this your question i dont know, is it a genuine quest or an intent to 'mockl' thinking the soil is fertile ? I cant really say.

However, setting things straight for the record is what i feel is necessary.



^

picking out scriptures haphazardly is not a rational thing for one to do, not if one slightly have the mind that this 'God' is slightly intelligent and will not do things without a reason.

But you, am afraid that some how in your mind is a done conclusion that "nothing good can come out of Nazareth".

You somehow thinks that Yahweh is "foolish". Smh.

If the reason for destroying the world in Noah's day was to absolutely obliterate evil (though Noah was still an imperfect son of Adam that can make mistakes) and not to destroy a world inwhich super natural being and their offspring caused a lot of violence :

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
"And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them." (Genesis 1-7).
...............

If that ^ was not the reason why Yahweh destroyed that world, can you please tell me how this prophesy below will have come to pass since it had not yet had fulfilment befor the flood ? :



"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
(Genesis 3:15).
......................

That ^ finally fulfilled in Jesus.

If Yahweh's intentions was what you said, how would that prophesy about the seed of the woman(the messiah) have come to pass ?

You should answer, cause you are the one that made the deduction of what Yahweh's failed intention was.

If you cant answer, who then is the foolish one then ? You! No ? !

Which part of that post ^ is not understandable or incomprehensible

Is it the scriptural references or what ?

Can someone help me out hear ? Maybe, just maybe, i am extremely slow. I need help !

embarassed
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight: 12:54pm On Aug 18, 2013
truthislight:

Which part of that ^ is not understandable

Is it the scriptural references or what ?

Can someone help me out hear ? Maybe, just maybe, i am extremely slow. I need help !

embarassed

are fraud stars and ignorant people putting on a straight face on this forum ? sad
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by Image123(m): 1:05pm On Aug 18, 2013
thehomer:

What is wrong with you? Are you high? Or just drunk? Did you read my previous posts? You're confirming that God knew his flood won't wipe out evil so why did he then send the flood? You've just demonstrated the sort of God you worship. You worship one who knows his actions will fail and cause lots of suffering with its failure but he goes on to do it anyway. What a joke both of you are.



You just have to be smoking weed and crack while drinking 3 litres of 100 proof vodka to be spouting the sort of rubbish I'm reading here. Please wait until you're fully detoxed so you can write a more sensible response.

There you go again. You made a presumptuous fallacy, i just answered your question. You didn't like my answer neither are you happy. And you are yet to tell us the basis for your assumption. i'm almost certain you'll go again like a robot to ask what assumption? So much for free thinking, more of cheap thinking imho. Did God appear to you in your nightmare to tell you that His purpose was to wipe out evil? Have you not been hasty as is your hobby?
I've just shown you two instances in the bible that state that God is good. It shocked you so much that you called it rubbish and the result of drunkeness. Obviously, you do not want to hear anything else. It is rubbish when the Bible says God is good, but it is perfect and full proof when passages like the OP are presented. You need a life, your faith is being misused.

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Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by Nobody: 1:07pm On Aug 18, 2013
truthislight:

are fraud stars and ignorant people putting on a straight face on this forum ? sad

Lol,why are you hyperventilating over this guy.If God does not come down to answer his questions,no one can.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by Nobody: 1:10pm On Aug 18, 2013
Image123:

There you go again. You made a presumptuous fallacy, i just answered your question. You didn't like my answer neither are you happy. And you are yet to tell us the basis for your assumption. i'm almost certain you'll go again like a robot to ask what assumption? So much for free thinking, more of cheap thinking imho. Did God appear to you in your nightmare to tell you that His purpose was to wipe out evil? Have you not been hasty as is your hobby?
I've just shown you two instances in the bible that state that God is good. It shocked you so much that you called it rubbish and the result of drunkeness. Obviously, you do not want to hear anything else. It is rubbish when the Bible says God is good, but it is perfect and full proof when passages like the OP are presented. You need a life, your faith is being misused.
Good,the guy form of argument is dishonest i might say..why pick one aspect and leave the other.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by thehomer: 2:32pm On Aug 18, 2013
Image123:

There you go again. You made a presumptuous fallacy, i just answered your question. You didn't like my answer neither are you happy. And you are yet to tell us the basis for your assumption. i'm almost certain you'll go again like a robot to ask what assumption? So much for free thinking, more of cheap thinking imho. Did God appear to you in your nightmare to tell you that His purpose was to wipe out evil? Have you not been hasty as is your hobby?

What is wrong with you people? Don't you read your Bible? If his purpose wasn't to wipe out evil, what then was the purpose of him simply killing everyone except Noah and his family? Did he do it just for the fun of it?

Image123:
I've just shown you two instances in the bible that state that God is good. It shocked you so much that you called it rubbish and the result of drunkeness. Obviously, you do not want to hear anything else. It is rubbish when the Bible says God is good, but it is perfect and full proof when passages like the OP are presented. You need a life, your faith is being misused.

And I've shown you instances of that God simply killing people for crimes he knew they didn't commit. Do good people kill others for crimes they didn't commit? Yes the Bible says God is good. It also says sacrificing your child to God is good, it says killing someone for picking sticks on the Sabbath is good, it says killing someone for changing their religion is good. Do you think killing people for those actions is a good thing to do? That is what you need to first think through before wailing that God is good because it was written in the Bible.

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Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by thehomer: 2:34pm On Aug 18, 2013
Bidam: Lol,why are you hyperventilating over this guy.If God does not come down to answer his questions,no one can.

Did God come down and answer your questions? Or did you just believe what you were told?
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by thehomer: 2:36pm On Aug 18, 2013
truthislight:

Which part of that post ^ is not understandable or incomprehensible

Is it the scriptural references or what ?

Can someone help me out hear ? Maybe, just maybe, i am extremely slow. I need help !

embarassed

Take the time to read what I actually wrote about your post. I said it was rambling. If you wanted to be serious, you should have simply given a summary rather than just rambling.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by truthislight: 2:40pm On Aug 18, 2013
thehomer:

Take the time to read what I actually wrote about your post. I said it was rambling. If you wanted to be serious, you should have simply given a summary rather than just rambling.

Na you get your mouth!
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by Image123(m): 4:05pm On Aug 18, 2013
thehomer:

What is wrong with you people? Don't you read your Bible? If his purpose wasn't to wipe out evil, what then was the purpose of him simply killing everyone except Noah and his family? Did he do it just for the fun of it?



And I've shown you instances of that God simply killing people for crimes he knew they didn't commit. Do good people kill others for crimes they didn't commit? Yes the Bible says God is good. It also says sacrificing your child to God is good, it says killing someone for picking sticks on the Sabbath is good, it says killing someone for changing their religion is good. Do you think killing people for those actions is a good thing to do? That is what you need to first think through before wailing that God is good because it was written in the Bible.

You ask if i do not ead my bible. Are you insinuating that you saw ths your claim in the bible? You are being shy oh, don't be shy. Just tell us where you saw this your claim, what is your base or foundation for it, or is it baseless and unfounded?
As to your confusion, God is not a man. He is the owner of every man and has the right to do to each as He pleases. How that is so hard to understand for you is stunning. If you took your best suit and burnt it or even wore it, nobody will question you . But if i took your best suit and burnt it or even wore it, that would be a crime with multiple charges. Same action but the difference is ownership. What God can do without fault, you or me might do and its wrong.
Another instance is time. An action may be right or wrong depending on time.The same action of asking my friends may be a wrong action that can result in failure or expulsion if done during some 2hour examination period. Sleeping is right, but it is wrong in the office. S.ex is good but there are some people that you cannot have it with, like family. When one has a moral base, all these are better understood, unlike thehomer who lacks a moral base. ALL of God's actions remain good having been done at the times that they were done, and not shying away from the fact that He has clearly given us a certain code and standard for this time.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by thehomer: 4:52pm On Aug 18, 2013
Image123:

You ask if i do not ead my bible. Are you insinuating that you saw ths your claim in the bible? You are being shy oh, don't be shy. Just tell us where you saw this your claim, what is your base or foundation for it, or is it baseless and unfounded?

According to the Bible here:

NIV Genesis 6:
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”

God wanted to kill all animals and people because "the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time".

Image123:
As to your confusion, God is not a man. He is the owner of every man and has the right to do to each as He pleases. How that is so hard to understand for you is stunning. If you took your best suit and burnt it or even wore it, nobody will question you . But if i took your best suit and burnt it or even wore it, that would be a crime with multiple charges. Same action but the difference is ownership. What God can do without fault, you or me might do and its wrong.

Once again, you're failing to see what is right before your eyes. You say God is good. Yet we see him killing children for the crimes of their parents. Is that what good people do?

If God took your best suit and burnt it or gave it to someone else to wear, would that be a crime?

Image123:
Another instance is time. An action may be right or wrong depending on time.The same action of asking my friends may be a wrong action that can result in failure or expulsion if done during some 2hour examination period. Sleeping is right, but it is wrong in the office. S.ex is good but there are some people that you cannot have it with, like family. When one has a moral base, all these are better understood, unlike thehomer who lacks a moral base. ALL of God's actions remain good having been done at the times that they were done, and not shying away from the fact that He has clearly given us a certain code and standard for this time.

I hope you realize that what you're saying here is that there are no objectively right or wrong actions. Since according to you there are no objectively right or wrong actions, then neither you nor God is in a position to judge anyone.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by UyiIredia(m): 6:39pm On Aug 18, 2013
thehomer:
Because evil people are unworthy of worship. Or do you think evil people are worthy of worship?

Your first reply begs the question. Unworthy presumes an evil that needs explanation in the question (of contadiction) I asked. To your poser: No, I don't but that itself even begs the question I'm asking.

thehomer:
Why don't you tell me what it means to be good? After all, you're the one trying to defend the one who gave the command while you're at it, let me know how his command to kill children meets that idea.

You are skilled at turning questions back at opponents whilst being woefully lazy at answering. In any case being good stems ONLY from conscious mind, what is deemed good is a matter of one's arbitration. That said, why do you ignore God's good, you didn't deny them_sensibly_so I wonder whether you factor it in b4 concluding God is evil.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by UyiIredia(m): 6:56pm On Aug 18, 2013
thehomer:

According to the Bible here:



God wanted to kill all animals and people because "the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time".

Okay.

thehomer:
Once again, you're failing to see what is right before your eyes. You say God is good. Yet we see him killing children for the crimes of their parents. Is that what good people do?

What would good people do ? Leave the children. Not to talk of the fact that punishing the parents leaves such kids exposed, and if you say God magically cares for them I wonder whether He won't turn out raising up rebels like the Devil.

thehomer:
If God took your best suit and burnt it or gave it to someone else to wear, would that be a crime?

Depends. There are many ways to twist the issue. God could send angels, demons or magically make the suit to combust. But I must ask here: given your rejection of God, if the laws of physics account for a spontaenously burned suit perchance, why don't you say it is evil.

thehomer:
I hope you realize that what you're saying here is that there are no objectively right or wrong actions. Since according to you there are no objectively right or wrong actions, then neither you nor God is in a position to judge anyone.

The KNOWLEDGE of right or wrong is objective/absolute. The application of this knowledge to the various puzzles life throws up is relative/subjective. Now, the reason you propose for God not being in a position to judge applies to humans (eg thefool and a magistrate)
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by Nobody: 8:20pm On Aug 18, 2013
Uyi Iredia:

Your first reply begs the question. Unworthy presumes an evil that needs explanation in the question (of contadiction) I asked. To your poser: No, I don't but that itself even begs the question I'm asking.



You are skilled at turning questions back at opponents whilst being woefully lazy at answering. In any case being good stems ONLY from conscious mind, what is deemed good is a matter of one's arbitration. That said, why do you ignore God's good, you didn't deny them_sensibly_so I wonder whether you factor it in b4 concluding God is evil.



The Homer has really suffered. Arguing with 3 dummies that hate to reason and use logic.

Just even look at your reply. Nonsensical.

"Evil people are unworthy of worship"
^^^^
The above quote is what you have a problem with. How foolish. How can you even argue against a very simple fact? You must have your brain on temporary suspension or something
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by Nobody: 8:22pm On Aug 18, 2013
Uyi Iredia:

Okay.



What would good people do ? Leave the children. Not to talk of the fact that punishing the parents leaves such kids exposed, and if you say God magically cares for them I wonder whether He won't turn out raising up rebels like the Devil.



Depends. There are many ways to twist the issue. God could send angels, demons or magically make the suit to combust. But I must ask here: given your rejection of God, [size=18pt]if the laws of physics account for a spontaenously burned suit perchance, why don't you say it is evil.[/size]

The KNOWLEDGE of right or wrong is objective/absolute. The application of this knowledge to the various puzzles life throws up is relative/subjective. Now, the reason you propose for God not being in a position to judge applies to humans (eg thefool and a magistrate)



Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by Image123(m): 9:58pm On Aug 18, 2013
thehomer:

According to the Bible here:

NIV Genesis 6:
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”

God wanted to kill all animals and people because "the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time".
Hopefully, you understand that the statement "God wanted to kill all animals and people because "the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time" IS DIFFERENT FROM "God wanted to kill all animals and people because He wanted to wipe out evil". To help you two steps forward, it was a measure of punishment/judgement. You can also compare it to an amputation of a degenerating sore part of the body.



Once again, you're failing to see what is right before your eyes. You say God is good. Yet we see him killing children for the crimes of their parents. Is that what good people do?
i didn't just say that God is good, the Bible says so. That is what is right before our eyes, which you ironically failed to see. As to God killing children for the crimes of their parents, it has a multifaceted defence. God is their Owner and has all the right, moral and legal, to do what He deems fit with them. God in His omniscience can choose to kill someone as young and innocent, hence saving him from an eternity in hell, than have such person grow up to inflict pain to many and glorify evil worse than his progenitors. Take some measure to educate yourself on God's character using this passage below please.
Eze 18:2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
Eze 18:3 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze 18:14 Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like,
Eze 18:17 That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 18:22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.


Also, if you would study God, you would consider that He blesses/rewards the child for the father's goodness. Is this right in your eyes? Should a son be honoured or rewarded for his father's goodness?

If God took your best suit and burnt it or gave it to someone else to wear, would that be a crime?
Nope. He owns me and my suit. He owns the whole world.



I hope you realize that what you're saying here is that there are no objectively right or wrong actions. Since according to you there are no objectively right or wrong actions, then neither you nor God is in a position to judge anyone.
No, i did not say that there are no objectively right or wrong actions. i said that some actions may be considered right at a time, and may be considered wrong at other times.i gave you the illustrations to inform.remind you that some questions may not best be answered with just yes or no. Some actions are not good all the time or wrong all the time. Perspective, time, and context have to be taken note of. God is not a man like you.
Re: In What Way Is God Good? Inviting Mr Anony And Any Intersted Party by UyiIredia(m): 11:25pm On Aug 18, 2013
Logicboy03:



The Homer has really suffered. Arguing with 3 dummies that hate to reason and use logic.

Just even look at your reply. Nonsensical.

"Evil people are unworthy of worship"
^^^^
The above quote is what you have a problem with. How foolish. How can you even argue against a very simple fact? You must have your brain on temporary suspension or something

You make it look like I differed that evil people are unworthy of worship. That is uuntrue. I did agree but I asserted that it begs the question I initially asked. Implicit in thhe question and the one after it was why it is correct, why it is good, that evil people aare unworthy of worship. Do you want to answer it, chicken out or logicboyize away as usual ?

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