Image123:

i asked for the meaning of a moral agent. God cares about humans, He also cares about judgement and always does the best possible. Like one would rather have one percent of his property perish, or one friend die, han to allow the corrupted one percent influence and destroy the whole. The kudos becomes more prominent when one recalls that God has the benefit of foresight and hindsight, unlike man.

Image123:
i'll take the question about God ever ordering killing to be rhetorical. What makes it baseless is the common knowledge of the context and dispensation/time in which it was done, compared to the time that we are in. The same Bible tells us such is not to happen in our time. Why you choose to ignore that current fact and cling vigorously to the latter fact is surprising. Is it a baseless assumption to wonder whether or not you will come out of another human again, seeing you have done it before?

thehomer:

A moral agent is one that can make moral decisions. God has foresight and hindsight yet he didn't know that drowning everyone except Noah and his crew won't end evil. This sounds to me like ignorant incompetence.



It is not a rhetorical question. Now answer it. Again, how is it baseless to wonder whether or not he would give such a command again? Your comparison to being born is just ridiculously pointless. I'm asking you about the command given by a God who knows all things not about whether or not Jesus will come down to Calvary to be crucified again so try to stick to the topic at hand and answer the direct question. Here it is again.

Has God ever ordered the killing of children? Please answer with a yes or no and avoid your pointless distractions.

truthislight:

Well, not when 'Justice' is said to be one of his cardinal attribute.

Kay 17:

If God is discretional towards morality, what justification is there for him to be just??

If God isn't morally bound what justification is there for him to be just??

Image123:

Who told you that God didn't know that the flood would not end evil? You've started with fallacy ehn? i need your source/proof , nothing else except you want to open athread on that. i'll not be drawn into ignorant diversions on this thread.

Image123:
i didn't ask if your question is rhetorical, i take it so. It remains needless to ask. The comprison is not ridiculous, peple come out of other humans everyday. Would you come out of another human again or have you not done it before? God's word is quite clear on how fellow humans should reat one another at this time.

thehomer:

Don't you see the ridiculousness of your position? If he knew that the flood wouldn't end evil, why then did he bother to go ahead with it?



How is it rhetorical?

What is the relationship between birth and the fact that people command others to perform certain actions in this discussion on commands given by God?

Image123:

You were unable to give your source/proof for your wild assumption.

Image123:
The relationship is that they are both actions. Actons that take place all the time but are limited in proper context. You neglected the fact that God would not give a command and want us to dwell on assumption, not today.

thehomer:

What wild assumption?

According to the Bible, God has already given that command in the past so what on earth are you talking about?

Image123:
That God didn't know that drowning everyone except Noah and his crew won't end evil.

Image123:
According to nature, births happen all the time. And i want to imagine that it has happened to you before. You were born. That does not mean that you may be physically born by a woman again in the future, does it? The simple point is that because something has happen in the past doesn't mean that it may happen again, depending on context. You have a Bible, and i am certain that you are aware of what God expects from human beings at this time, according to His Word. If due to some unfortunate medical condition, or badluck, you have forgotten, go and re-read your Bible again, not just the places where you think you can lament about but also the new testament.

thehomer:

If he knew it won't end evil, why then did he do it? Does he just like seeing people die?



According to nature, can people get physically reborn? According to nature, can people repeat a command to someone else?

Image123:

Mr, you made a wild unfounded assumption, don't detract issues further. Thread opening is free, you could open one to find out.

Image123:
Seems you managed to come around to what on earth i was talking about. You seem to trust the laws of nature. Do you know the law of God? According to the law of God, can a man murder his fellow man?

thehomer:

How was it a wild unfounded assumption? I see no reason for opening up another thread. This one isn't full.



I started this thread to show you that his laws are immoral so trying to get me to appeal to his immoral laws isn't a good idea.

thehomer:

How was it a wild unfounded assumption? I see no reason for opening up another thread. This one isn't full.



I started this thread to show you that his laws are immoral so trying to get me to appeal to his immoral laws isn't a good idea.

Mr anony:
In what ways exactly are His laws immoral?

GeneralShepherd:

Okay Mt Anony.. I graduated summa cum Laud from FUTO in EEE 11months after NYSC I don't have a job, cos I don't have contacts. God has blessed my hommies with Second class lower with cream jobs and I struggle to eat. How in the hell is God good? My mum has served this God all her life and He can't help me get a job? I say hogwash.... Its been easier since I stopped relying on a skydaddy that doesn't exist or doesn't care if exists...

thehomer:

How was it a wild unfounded assumption? I see no reason for opening up another thread. This one isn't full.

I started this thread to show you that his laws are immoral so trying to get me to appeal to his immoral laws isn't a good idea.

GeneralShepherd:

Okay Mt Anony.. I graduated summa cum Laud from FUTO in EEE 11months after NYSC I don't have a job, cos I don't have contacts. God has blessed my hommies with Second class lower with cream jobs and I struggle to eat. How in the hell is God good? My mum has served this God all her life and He can't help me get a job? I say hogwash.... Its been easier since I stopped relying on a skydaddy that doesn't exist or doesn't care if exists...

GeneralShepherd:

I am a christian,I find it Ridiculous to say God is objectively good. He is God he can do as He likes doesn't make Him good. My 2kobo

Mr anony:
In what ways exactly are His laws immoral?

NIV:
NIV 1 Samuel 15:

1 Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord.

2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.

3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Image123:
You said "God has foresight and hindsight yet he didn't know that drowning everyone except Noah and his crew won't end evil."
Such statement is said to be wild and unfounded and an assumption when it is poorly thought out, overwhelmed by emotion, not supported by evidence or fact, and a conjecture/guess without proof. i am still waiting for your proof for this baseless assumption.

Image123:
okay, i recall you actually started the thread. Your penchant for red herrings is really affecting you. You tend to pull out some stuff from nowhere that we now have to discuss and settle, while we leave what we were actually discussing. Now, here you are telling us in other words that you are not here to discuss or accept anything other than your views. You are only here to show us/shove your views on us. It's not a good idea to show you that your OP is wrong. Now, what more do you want to be said?

Mr anony:
1. You are ranting about something else entirely
2. God is not your genie or skydaddy or anything of the sort. He doesn't owe you anything

GeneralShepherd:

Okay Mt Anony.. I graduated summa cum Laud from FUTO in EEE 11months after NYSC I don't have a job, cos I don't have contacts. God has blessed my hommies with Second class lower with cream jobs and I struggle to eat. How in the hell is God good? My mum has served this God all her life and He can't help me get a job? I say hogwash.... Its been easier since I stopped relying on a skydaddy that doesn't exist or doesn't care if exists...

thehomer:

What was the baseless assumption?
1. That God has foresight?
2. That God has hindsight?
3. That he didn't know drowning everyone except Noah and his crew won't end evil?



How is it a red herring to show through the Bible the fact that your God is not moral? What exactly did I pull from nowhere? I'm not shoving anything on you. You're welcome to ignore this thread. I won't print it out and leave it in your room. Neither will I send it to your e-mail account. If you're afraid of really discovering your God, please say so and avoid this thread.

thehomer:

What was the baseless assumption?
1. That God has foresight?
2. That God has hindsight?
3. That he didn't know drowning everyone except Noah and his crew won't end evil?



How is it a red herring to show through the Bible the fact that your God is not moral? What exactly did I pull from nowhere? I'm not shoving anything on you. You're welcome to ignore this thread. I won't print it out and leave it in your room. Neither will I send it to your e-mail account. If you're afraid of really discovering your God, please say so and avoid this thread.

thehomer:

What was the baseless assumption?
1. That God has foresight?
2. That God has hindsight?
3. That he didn't know drowning everyone except Noah and his crew won't end evil?



How is it a red herring to show through the Bible the fact that your God is not moral? What exactly did I pull from nowhere? I'm not shoving anything on you. You're welcome to ignore this thread. I won't print it out and leave it in your room. Neither will I send it to your e-mail account. If you're afraid of really discovering your God, please say so and avoid this thread.

GeneralShepherd:

I believe the topic is in what way is God objectively good and as such I just sighted and example of how 'unfair' God seems to be,but you in your arrogant normal modus operandi makes little of it.

God is not my SKYDADDY? Did Lb hack ur account?

The bible said, ' But my God shall supply all your need according to his
riches in glory by Christ Jesus'. Phillipians 4: 19

No? I implore you not to make light of people's predicaments

Enigma: Yes please; the original one did not get through -- I've just checked!

Image123:
of course, the baseless assumption is the number 3, don't yu think?

Image123:
i was being general about the red herring, not referring to any in particular but to your penchant. When you say, ' trying to get you to appeal to God's laws is not a good idea', then what is the purpose of inviting anyone? The statement shows you are only interested in being heard, you are not interested in hearing. Playing the pity card would not suffice.

Enigma: @Image123

You get time (and patience) sha!




1 Timothy 6:8 ---- "But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that."

Christianity was never a guarantee that one would be rich or have "everything" one wishes for. It is only corrupt versions of it such as the prosperity "gospel" that give this misleading impression. An example that I like to use is that of Philemon and Onesimus: both Christians, one a slave of the other!

Then let me also summarise one way of looking at things:

(a) there are some things that God has ordained must happen --- they will happen no matter what
(b) there are some things that God has ordained will not happen --- they will not happen no matter what
(c) there are some things that God has left to the "natural order" --- the happening or non-happening of these depends on many things: work ethic, opportunities and how one uses them, happenstance/fortune/luck etc etc etc

(a) there are some things that God has ordained must happen --- they will happen no matter what