Mr anony:
What! you can't read anymore?

This is just ridiculous. You made a claim to have answered a certain question on this thread. I ask you for evidence and you're dancing around about that too.

Mr anony:
Where did I claim that? or are you lying again?

If you don't know what the purpose is, then you're confused as usual. Read what you wrote here. If you don't know what the designer's purpose is, then you have no reason to try to introduce that as an attempt to answer.

Mr anony:
Then you don't know what you are talking about. You cannot derive an ought without assuming a purpose

Obviously you have no idea of what you're supposed to do when you claim that some designer has a purpose.

Mr anony:
Irrational and arbitrary in what sense?

In the sense of what those words mean. Simply look them up.

Mr anony:
The exact question I've been asking you all week.

And I'm asking you now. I don't believe in a designer. You do. You claim it has a purpose and some standard. Can you say what they are?

Mr anony:
Objective morality is morality that does not depend on individual subjective bias. For instance, the moral principle that states that a man ought to keep his word would be one of such objective moral principles.

In that case, it cannot depend on your God because your God is a person (or three people) with individual subjective bias. You may as well appeal to some advanced alien intelligence. You are aware that Jesus and Jehovah didn't keep some of their words.

Mr anony:
Interesting.
You tell a story I don't understand,
I tell you I don't understand,
you ask me to tell you what I don't understand,
I take my time to ask you pointed questions that will help me better understand you.
You declare my questions irrelevant.
Do you have any intention of being understood at all?

Did you not that region in bold? You obviously have the intention of not understanding anything unless it is injected into you.

Mr anony:
I know that it is objectively good to be true to one's word. Would you accept this as an example of an objective moral truth?

How do you know this? What does it have to do with this mysterious purpose? What in fact is the purpose? What does it mean to be good to you? And finally, can you answer the question in the OP assuming your own answers to the questions posed?

At least you're willing to engage the questions head on. Unlike Mr anony who has suddenly found it difficult to understand English.

dexmond:

God's way is different from the ways of man. He knows the future. The reason why God could have given such a command was to ensure that the remnants of the people does not come back to haunt Israel. It is interesting to note that Saul did not completely obey the instruction which led to the Amalekites coming back in 1samuel 30:1-2 to carry the family members of David and his men captives.

Since God owned the entire world, why then didn't he send his chosen people to Australia or even create land from the sea for them?

dexmond:
The most difficult part in this instruction was the order to kill infants. The reason for this action is beyond my understanding. Who knows, may be when the children grow, they will want to take revenge. However, the LORD, Adonai, is perfectly good.

Has it occurred to you that there is no justification for such an instruction? Maybe they will or he could have accepted them into Heaven like he did to Elijah or Enoch.

How do you know he is good given the fact that he gave such an order? If a highly intelligent alien gave such a command, would you think it was perfectly good?

you know He is bad and evil from one passage you call fact, but you refuse to see He is good from other passages? Stop deceiving yourself. Oh give thanks unto the Lord for He is good, too good.

Image123: you know He is bad and evil from one passage you call fact, but you refuse to see He is good from other passages? Stop deceiving yourself. Oh give thanks unto the Lord for He is good, too good.

Hey it's from your Bible. If you don't think it is factual, then just say so. No matter what else he does, the fact that he gave such a command reveals just how depraved he is.

As Lord Acton said (and I agree with), "judge talent at its best, character at its worst". If God can do that, how much worse can the devil be?

thehomer: At least you're willing to engage the questions head on. Unlike Mr anony who has suddenly found it difficult to understand English.



Since God owned the entire world, why then didn't he send his chosen people to Australia or even create land from the sea for them?

Has it occurred to you that there is no justification for such an instruction? Maybe they will or he could have accepted them into Heaven like he did to Elijah or Enoch.

How do you know he is good given the fact that he gave such an order? If a highly intelligent alien gave such a command, would you think it was perfectly good?

Being the creator and owner of the world, he he reserves the right to send them wherever it pleases Him.

Are you judging the Almighty God? The innocent children will surely be accepted into heaven because they know no sin.

He God is still good seeing that he saved the innocent children. It should come as a surprise to you that Israel was punished when they did the very same thing that led God to take those land and give them to Israel. At a time they began worshipping Idols and engaging in the same practise of the people of that Land which led God to punish them by other Nations too. Is God not Just? You, thehomer will also account for all your actions after you die, in fighting the Lord Jesus and his Church. I pray that the Lord opens your eyes.

dexmond:

Being the creator and owner of the world, he he reserves the right to send them wherever it pleases Him.

So, basically, whatever he says is good is good, regardless, yes?

dexmond:
Are you judging the Almighty God? The innocent children will surely be accepted into heaven because they know no sin.

Who are YOU to judge your Almighty God? If he says those children go to hell, then they go to hell, simple. In your words

dexmond:
he he reserves the right to send them wherever it pleases Him.

dexmond:
He God is still good seeing that he saved the innocent children. It should come as a surprise to you that Israel was punished when they did the very same thing that led God to take those land and give them to Israel. At a time they began worshipping Idols and engaging in the same practise of the people of that Land which led God to punish them by other Nations too. Is God not Just? You, thehomer will also account for all your actions after you die, in fighting the Lord Jesus and his Church. I pray that the Lord opens your eyes.

The italicized, yes, how gracious. I mean, he could have just let them die, killed them himself or ordered their deaths as usual. And again, why are you judging god? He can do as he wishes, he is good regardless of your opinion, yes?

As for just, as above, it clearly is a case of what he says is just is just, no? He can do as he sees fit, yes? So despite loving nonbelievers unconditionally (perhaps you should redefine the terms 'love' and 'unconditional'), he will roast us for eternity (mostly) for simply demanding proof of existence before we become blind, happy slaves, or questioning his clearly EVIL deeds (by modern standards) and standing up for humanity, dignity and decency.

Anyways, good ser, if you could address the above.

thehomer:

Hey it's from your Bible. If you don't think it is factual, then just say so. No matter what else he does, the fact that he gave such a command reveals just how depraved he is.

As Lord Acton said (and I agree with), "judge talent at its best, character at its worst". If God can do that, how much worse can the devil be?

Do you take God's recorded goodness as factual?

dexmond:

Being the creator and owner of the world, he he reserves the right to send them wherever it pleases Him.

Are you judging the Almighty God? The innocent children will surely be accepted into heaven because they know no sin.

Then you should take a look at this thread and let me know what you think about the argument.

dexmond:
He God is still good seeing that he saved the innocent children. It should come as a surprise to you that Israel was punished when they did the very same thing that led God to take those land and give them to Israel. At a time they began worshipping Idols and engaging in the same practise of the people of that Land which led God to punish them by other Nations too. Is God not Just? You, thehomer will also account for all your actions after you die, in fighting the Lord Jesus and his Church. I pray that the Lord opens your eyes.

He didn't save them, he killed them. My question is simply this. Based on what we've seen God command, how do we know that he is good?

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Do you take God's recorded goodness as factual?

I don't take God as factual.

thehomer:

I don't take God as factual.

Oh, but you take His recorded 'evil' as factual?

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Oh, but you take His recorded 'evil' as factual?

I'm just showing those who believe in that God based on information from that book that their ideas about that God being good is misinformed. So, if they take the information recorded in that book as factual, I'll just use it to show them the problems with that line of thought.

thehomer:

I'm just showing those who believe in that God based on information from that book that their ideas about that God being good is misinformed. So, if they take the information recorded in that book as factual, I'll just use it to show them the problems with that line of thought.

Thanks for your great concern, though it always seems youbelieve the "evil" more than the good. We who believe in God are more sensible to observe the overwhelming good and make reasonable conclusion that God is good and His mercies endure forever.

Amo 4:6"I gave you empty stomachs in every city and lack of bread in every town, yet you have not returned to me,"
declares the LORD.


Amo 4:7 "I also withheld rain from you when the harvest was still three months away. I sent rain on one town, but withheld it from another. One field had rain; another had none and dried up.


Amo 4:8 People staggered from town to town for water but did not get enough to drink, yet you have not returned to me,"
declares the LORD.

Amo 4:9 "Many times I struck your gardens and vineyards, destroying them with blight and mildew. Locusts devoured your fig and olive trees, yet you have not returned to me,"
declares the LORD.

Amo 4:10 "I sent plagues among you as I did to Egypt. I killed your young men with the sword, along with your captured horses. I filled your nostrils with the stench of your camps, yet you have not returned to me,"
declares the LORD.

Amo 4:11 "I overthrew some of you as I overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. You were like a burning stick snatched from the fire, yet you have not returned to me,"
declares the LORD.

Amo 4:12 "Therefore this is what I will do to you, Israel, and because I will do this to you, Israel, prepare to meet your God."

Does this sound like a good god or a monster?. . .What exactly is good about such a being?. . .

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Thanks for your great concern, though it always seems youbelieve the "evil" more than the good. We who believe in God are more sensible to observe the overwhelming good and make reasonable conclusion that God is good and His mercies endure forever.

I judge his character by the evil that he has been capable of. Just as I would point out that a person who kills children to take their parent's lands even if that person is kind to his wife, I would still say that such a person has an evil character.

thehomer:

I judge his character by the evil that he has been capable of. Just as I would point out that a person who kills children to take their parent's lands even if that person is kind to his wife, I would still say that such a person has an evil character.

hahaha, good of you. You made me laugh, that's new. One, God is not a man.Two, you are not His judge, but rather He is yours. You are the criminal while He is your Judge and Owner as it were. Three, God is kind and good to those who believe like your person is kind to his wife. Therefore it is fruitless and shallow of you to try to show those who believe anything.

mazaje:
Does this sound like a good god or a monster?. . .What exactly is good about such a being?. . .

Sounds like the best God ever, i know of no other.

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hahaha, good of you. You made me laugh, that's new. One, God is not a man.Two, you are not His judge, but rather He is yours. You are the criminal while He is your Judge and Owner as it were. Three, God is kind and good to those who believe like your person is kind to his wife. Therefore it is fruitless and shallow of you to try to show those who believe anything.

Sure God is not a man, he is made up. I am perfectly able to judge him. He is a criminal entity. He is not kind and good even to those who believe in him. Otherwise they won't suffer at all. Besides if he only likes those who believe in him, then why should anyone bother with him? In what way is he worthy of being God? It is pointless to show you the evils of your God.

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Sounds like the best God ever, i know of no other.

What sounds good about the god i quoted in the passage?. . .Do you go about killing your kids because they refuse to obey you?. . .Do you starve your kids because they refuse to obey you?. . .Do you send wild animals to maim your kids because they refuse to obey you?. . .What exactly is good about the god in the passages i quoted?. . .

thehomer:

Sure God is not a man, he is made up. I am perfectly able to judge him. He is a criminal entity. He is not kind and good even to those who believe in him. Otherwise they won't suffer at all. Besides if he only likes those who believe in him, then why should anyone bother with him? In what way is he worthy of being God? It is pointless to show you the evils of your God .

do not take it as a call of duty to do the pointless. God loves you.

mazaje:

What sounds good about the god i quoted in the passage?. . .Do you go about killing your kids because they refuse to obey you?. . .Do you starve your kids because they refuse to obey you?. . .Do you send wild animals to maim your kids because they refuse to obey you?. . .What exactly is good about the god in the passages i quoted?. . .

Do you think anybody should be punished at all? if yes, please suggest three punishments for the people below, thanks.

Amos 4:1 Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink.

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do not take it as a call of duty to do the pointless. God loves you.

Well one must try when the stakes are high. Looks like God doesn't love you.

thehomer:

Well one must try when the stakes are high. Looks like God doesn't love you.

God loves me too, i think too much sef. Stop the pointless.
Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

wiegraf:

1. So, basically, whatever he says is good is good, regardless, yes?



2. Who are YOU to judge your Almighty God? If he says those children go to hell, then they go to hell, simple. In your words



3. The italicized, yes, how gracious. I mean, he could have just let them die, killed them himself or ordered their deaths as usual. And again, why are you judging god? He can do as he wishes, he is good regardless of your opinion, yes?

4. As for just, as above, it clearly is a case of what he says is just is just, no? He can do as he sees fit, yes? So despite loving nonbelievers unconditionally (perhaps you should redefine the terms 'love' and 'unconditional'), he will roast us for eternity (mostly) for simply demanding proof of existence before we become blind, happy slaves, or questioning his clearly EVIL deeds (by modern standards) and standing up for humanity, dignity and decency.

Anyways, good ser, if you could address the above.

1. Yes. He is the Authority on matters of Morality. 1 peter 1:16

2. Not judging. He is the Judge of the Universe.Psalms 7:8

3. I could not find the italicized. He does as He pleases, for He is the Almighty. Job 9:12

4. Yes, what he says is just is just for he the source of our righteousness and we obtained peace in Him by doing exactly those things He wants. If one violates the traffic law, he will be dealt with. The sinner and all them that refused to accept grace made available at Calvary will eventually get what they want, that is a place(hell) where God will never interfere with there lives anymore, where no preacher will remind them to think about eternal life.

Moreover, No proof shall be given you except you humble yourself and request the proof in a petition to Him. Some of us who have received proof of Gods love received it out of grace, while some diligently sought for this proof in humility. In taking a position already your mind is made up.If you accept my offer, for the Lord to show you proof of His majesty and Glory, then, concerned Nairalanders shall pray for you and your heart shall be able to receive the revelation of the Lord.

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Do you think anybody should be punished at all? if yes, please suggest three punishments for the people below, thanks.

Amos 4:1 Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink.

I asked you if you will consider a parent that kills his children for disobedience a good parent. . .Do we go about killing people that drink? What about those that oppress the poor?. . .

For those that oppress the poor and crush the needy, take away their ability to oppress the poor and oppress them , imprison them with hard labor and make them labor for the poor, they will be humiliated and shamed. . .

For those that drink too much imprison them as well with hard labor. . .If the drink and go about causing nuisance. . .

Do you think or agree that killing people for disobedience is right?. . .Will you kill your kids if they disobey you and go about drinking?. . .

dexmond:


1. Yes. He is the Authority on matters of Morality. 1 peter 1:16

Then you should not have bothered trying to justify his actions to us. What he says is good is good, shikena.

So long as he declared Stalin good, then he's good, yes? The crusades, all holy wars, the Palestinians/Israeli and their never ending conflict, of which both sides believe god is on their side, all good so long as he says so. He could make Hitler's atrocities look like kindergarten stuff, but it would still be good, yes?

No need for you to justify yourself. You just require us to be slaves.

dexmond:
Moreover, No proof shall be given you except you humble yourself and request the proof in a petition to Him. Some of us who have received proof of Gods love received it out of grace, while some diligently sought for this proof in humility. In taking a position already your mind is made up.If you accept my offer, for the Lord to show you proof of His majesty and Glory, then, concerned Nairalanders shall pray for you and your heart shall be able to receive the revelation of the Lord.

Did I ask for proof? Not sure. Anyways, again, there's no need to justify yourself. No need for proof, I'm expected to just comply. Even if I did encounter him, all that's expected is I slavishly commit, see? I have no choice in the matter. He need not justify his actions, no need to meet him or for you to try to prove anything.

@mr anony

Objective morality is morality thatdoes not depend on individual subjective bias. For instance, the moral principle that states that a man ought to keep his word would be one of such objective moral principles.

As I said for the umpteenth time, your definition of well-being is vague. A serial rap ist can regard as necessary to his/her prosperity, health and happiness the exact same things that a non-r api st would call evil. The only way you can legitimately say that one is wrong and the other right is if there is indeed a way humans ought to act. If it is true that thereis a way humans ought to act, then it is true that there is an objective purpose to human life i.e. life ought to be lived accordingto a particular design. If this is true, then it means there is a designer. To ask what the purposeis is to ask if people ought to live acertain way. To deny a purpose is to deny that people are bound by any moral obligation.

i see what you were asking him clearly which he dodged, by the bolded. A creature judging the Creator by da creature's limited knowledge. How pathetic and absurd. Trying to subject the decision of the Creator to the laws the Creator made for its creature. Hmm how arrogant. Characters in a novel trying to question why the Writer predestined them for destruction! The Writer knows the end purpose of why He decide to create the characters for His novel and sees it completed in the final chapter.

Its normal to believe in the survival of the fittest, when an animal takes out another for mere survival but to accept that the Designer has a grand aim even the wiping of nation for the actualization of His infinite purpose, its wrong by their skewed standard.

mazaje:

I asked you if you will consider a parent that kills his children for disobedience a good parent. . .Do we go about killing people that drink? What about those that oppress the poor?. . .

For those that oppress the poor and crush the needy, take away their ability to oppress the poor and oppress them , imprison them with hard labor and make them labor for the poor, they will be humiliated and shamed. . .

For those that drink too much imprison them as well with hard labor. . .If the drink and go about causing nuisance. . .

Do you think or agree that killing people for disobedience is right?. . .Will you kill your kids if they disobey you and go about drinking?. . .

i asked you for THREE punishments for the same ONE set of people. You broke up the people and gave ONE punishment(imprison and labour). In this case, i actually do not see any reason for your arguments that God is not good, except your suggestion is not good but otherwise. If you read the passage you quoted, the punishment you are suggesting is the same thing that God was telling the people that He will do. So God does it and you try to paint Him as despicable, and i ask what you will do/suggest, and surprise surprise, you suggest the same thing. Actually yours might even be considered worse as it is your first and immediate recourse, while God tried other means first before going for your suggestion. Here it is below,
Amo 4:1 Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink.
Amo 4:2 The Lord GOD hath sworn by his holiness, that, lo, the days shall come upon you, that he will take you away with hooks, and your posterity with fishhooks.
Amo 4:3 And ye shall go out at the breaches, every cow at that which is before her; and ye shall cast them into the palace, saith the LORD.
This is picture language for the captivity(imprisonment) that was to befall them. Here is another passage that says similar,
Hab 1:15 The Babylonians pull them all up with fishhooks, drag them away in nets, and gather them in dragnets. So they rejoice and are happy.
Any serious bible reader knows when this came to pass. God was telling them that they will be taken into captivity(for 70 years) if they did not repent. He then proceeded to tell of the prior punishments He had given them when they defaulted.
Amo 4:6 I left you with nothing to eat in any of your cities. I left you with no food in your entire land. And you still didn't return to me, declares the LORD.
Amo 4:7 I stopped the rain from falling three months before the harvest. I sent rain on one city and not on another. One field had rain. Another field had none and dried up.
Amo 4:8 So people from two or three cities staggered as they walked to another city in order to get a drink of water. But they couldn't get enough. And you still didn't return to me, declares the LORD.
Amo 4:9 I struck your crops with blight and mildew. Locusts repeatedly devoured your gardens, vineyards, fig trees, and olive trees. And you still didn't return to me, declares the LORD.
Amo 4:10 I sent plagues on you as I did to Egypt. With swords I killed your best young men along with your captured horses. I made the stench from your camps fill your noses. And you still didn't return to me, declares the LORD.
Amo 4:11 I destroyed some of you as I destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. You were like a burning log snatched from a fire. And you still didn't return to me, declares the LORD.
Amo 4:12 This is what I will do to you, Israel. Prepare to meet your God. This is what I will do to you, Israel!

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i asked you for THREE punishments for the same ONE set of people. You broke up the people and gave ONE punishment(imprison and labour). In this case, i actually do not see any reason for your arguments that God is not good, except your suggestion is not good but otherwise. If you read the passage you quoted, the punishment you are suggesting is the same thing that God was telling the people that He will do. So God does it and you try to paint Him as despicable, and i ask what you will do/suggest, and surprise surprise, you suggest the same thing. Actually yours might even be considered worse as it is your first and immediate recourse, while God tried other means first before going for your suggestion. Here it is below,

You have no shame. . .Didnt you see where it says he starved them, killed their kids, infected them with diseases?. . .

Amo 4:1 Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink.
Amo 4:2 The Lord GOD hath sworn by his holiness, that, lo, the days shall come upon you, that he will take you away with hooks, and your posterity with fishhooks.
Amo 4:3 And ye shall go out at the breaches, every cow at that which is before her; and ye shall cast them into the palace, saith the LORD.
This is picture language for the captivity(imprisonment) that was to befall them. Here is another passage that says similar,
Hab 1:15 The Babylonians pull them all up with fishhooks, drag them away in nets, and gather them in dragnets. So they rejoice and are happy.
Any serious bible reader knows when this came to pass. God was telling them that they will be taken into captivity(for 70 years) if they did not repent. He then proceeded to tell of the prior punishments He had given them when they defaulted.
Amo 4:6 I left you with nothing to eat in any of your cities. I left you with no food in your entire land. And you still didn't return to me, declares the LORD.
Amo 4:7 I stopped the rain from falling three months before the harvest. I sent rain on one city and not on another. One field had rain. Another field had none and dried up.
Amo 4:8 So people from two or three cities staggered as they walked to another city in order to get a drink of water. But they couldn't get enough. And you still didn't return to me, declares the LORD.
Amo 4:9 I struck your crops with blight and mildew. Locusts repeatedly devoured your gardens, vineyards, fig trees, and olive trees. And you still didn't return to me, declares the LORD.
Amo 4:10 I sent plagues on you as I did to Egypt. With swords I killed your best young men along with your captured horses. I made the stench from your camps fill your noses. And you still didn't return to me, declares the LORD.
Amo 4:11 I destroyed some of you as I destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. You were like a burning log snatched from a fire. And you still didn't return to me, declares the LORD.
Amo 4:12 This is what I will do to you, Israel. Prepare to meet your God. This is what I will do to you, Israel!

Read what is written and stop spewing lies. . .

mazaje:

You have no shame. . .Didnt you see where it says he starved them, killed their kids, infected them with diseases?. . .



Read what is written and stop spewing lies. . .

So this is all you could come up with after a week? Get some perspective and read.

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So this is all you could come up with after a week? Get some perspective and read.

What perspective?. . .You asked me to recommend how they should be punished, I did, you claimed your god's punishment was better, only to refuse to highlight the parts where he punished them with sickness, famine, killed their young ones, and sent death and destruction to them. . .I asked you a simple question, will you starve your kids, infect them with diseases and kill their family members because they refused to obey you?. . .

mazaje:

What perspective?. . .You asked me to recommend how they should be punished, I did, you claimed your god's punishment was better, only to refuse to highlight the parts where he punished them with sickness, famine, killed their young ones, and sent death and destruction to them. . .I asked you a simple question, will you starve your kids, infect them with diseases and kill their family members because they refused to obey you?. . .

Not to leave you in the cold in more than one thread, lemme answer this one. It has to be said that you lack proper perspective on many lines. i didn't refuse to highlight, i clearly quoted the passages and showed you how God had given prior punishments. You lost and lack perspective by breaking one particular people into different people in your reply. you lack perspective by thinking that God is a man. You lack perspective by inferring that the nation of Israel are kids. You lack perspective by generalising disobedience. Disobedience to finish your food, or do the dishes is not disobedience of theft or murder or adultery or idolatry. The simplistic question is rather an attempt to muddle up issues, and leave readers without perspective like you.
Now, in punishing people, it should be noted that punishment differ in intensity and usefulness from time to time, person to person, and group to group. One man's poison is another's meat. The 12 strokes of cane that 'A' will brazenly take with swagger, 'B' might weep bitterly at even the prospect. Cutting grass is big deal for some, while its fun for another. 'C'that might kneel for hours might find it extremely strenuous to write "I am sorry for bad behaviour" in two pages. That's some perspective on punishment. Now for Israel(the set of people you recommended punishment for), the Bible and history shows that the worse punishment for them is captivity. It's last resort punishment, but you picked it first. I'll repeat again Actually yours might even be considered worse as it is your first and immediate recourse, while God tried other means first before going for your suggestion.
I already showed you the other means and you already quoted it. Some passages from the Bible to show you again that captivity was the worst form of punishment for an Israelite. The Israelites know of their history of captivity in Egypt from which God delivered them through Moses. Captivity comes with the full package. It is to them, the mother of all punishment, which they would rather not face for anything.
Jer 22:10 Weep ye not for the dead, neither bemoan him: but weep sore for him that goeth away: for he shall return no more, nor see his native country.
Here is a comparison between the dead and the captive. The Israelite would rather be dead than captive. It says weep not for the dead, but weep sore/bitterly for those that are taken captive(from their native country).
Jer 22:11 For thus saith the LORD touching Shallum the son of Josiah king of Judah, which reigned instead of Josiah his father, which went forth out of this place; He shall not return thither any more:
Jer 22:12 But he shall die in the place whither they have led him captive, and shall see this land no more.
There is the popular Jewish man's prayer in which he thanks God daily for not being a slave. It was so with the Jews of Jesus time who denied even ever being in bondage when they whole world virtually knows they were at least once in bondage to Egypt.
Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

God is the only wise God, who is good enough and knowlegdeable enough to know what punishment to give each. i thank God that you also gave/suggested punishments for defaulters. It is good to punish defaulters and criminals, and there is indeed a thing as the best punishment for a crime.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

It is only an ostrich behaving human that will continuously show a blind eye to God's goodness to us, and only be looking for worst case scenario punishments to fault God. God is not mocked, neither can He be judged. You(and every man) on the other hand await judgement.