thehomer:

Where did you read the Amalekite God saying anything like that?

Yeah! The Amalikite were atheist i forgot.

Just like the egyptians.

@truthislight, you are saying something. just not clear enough for him to pick it. today, God's mercy is all over the world , allowing even the hardest of the wicked to be forgiven. it still doesn't mean that he will change his mind towards the wicked. but when they turn from their wicked ways, then he will turn his heart with mercy to bring all to him.
it is not knowing the truth that is a waste of time and refusing to know is what is being used to deceive man to think that God is not just

what becomes of an atheist on the day of judgement. he is but cast away as one that denied every opportunity to know the truth talk much of asking for the truth or even ready to know the truth. how can you believe except you are told and how can you be told except one talks about it to you. today is your day of knowing the truth and this truth is that God loves you and wants to know you so he can become your lord and father.yes this is the truth and the only truth needed for you to believe in him. just know this truth and believe it, all other things will become clearer to you.

who is God? God is the creator of heaven and earth. he is your maker and father. he wanted you to be his in the beginning so he created you. what happened is that man decided he could do things on his own without God,so there was a disconnection. it now has to be a willingly heart that accepts to know him that he reveals himself to.

thehomer:

You and God lack a moral base to argue or discuss any issue at all. But then an abortion is different from killing a 1 year old child. Keep in mind the fact that God is fine with killing children in and out of the uterus. I am not so I'm more moral than your God when it comes to that.

i guess you have no idea what a moral base is, as you evidently lack one. You are fine with abortion, on what moral base? You are not fine with God, on what moral base? It would be safer for you to argue from a logical point of view (if you do not introduce your trademark fallacies), than a moral one. You can't stand as a moral base.
Now, tell me, a good that rewards a person with what we call good things for generations after. Is it absurd that He punishes another with what we call bad things for generations after. That's the way God works, simply shape in or shape out. For Abraham's actions, God reward him even after his death, a promise he himself did not actually get while 'alive'. God blesses righteous people and their seed/children/coming generation/descendants. The same God punishes people and their seed/children IF they do not change.
A wise person sees something he cannot control, like God, the sun, weather and seasons, and works round it for his benefit. A foolish person sees something he cannot control and perishes. We can always change category.

God is not looking for whether he can be controlled or not. Man decides his fate in this world but God determines the extent at which it goes.Everything in life good or bad is as a result of the decision of man and how it goes is for man to chose.nevertheless there is always a way out of every trouble.it is by telling God you want to be his child and to let him be your father. it is the father-son or daughter relationship that God wants, not a tight fist God that nobody wants to come to. that is not God . That is just how he has been painted

momomomo: @ the homer. i have address all you have said and ready to address all you want to know. ask about anything and on any thing bothering you. there is an answer and you will be getting answer

Okay now please answer this question. Is it right to command that a person's children be killed for the crimes committed by one of their parents?

truthislight:

Yeah, an eye witness account from you. No ?

Selective justice from you. No ?

Yeah! "Some people killed some people" indeed!
tell me more! it was not the national army of the Amalikite i guess that attacked the Jews, but "some people". Smh.

So that ^ justified it ? I see!

You can keep on feeding whatever you are feeding Dude.

"Killed some people" Interesting!

Now tell me, while this "some people" of the nation of Israel were being killed, in which nation was the remainder staying ?

Was it by any means possible that it was the whole nation that was being attacked and killed on their way in the wilderness ? And the nation could have been exterminated ?

Please mr "eye witness" account giver, fill in the blank spaces.

*sigh*

this seems like a waste of my time really.

This is just an incoherent jumble of sentences. What point are you trying to make here? And can you do that in 2 or 3 sentences?

truthislight:

Yeah! The Amalikite were atheist i forgot.

Just like the egyptians.

Did I say they were atheists? Who said the Egyptians were atheists?

thehomer. you know what, no child pays for the sins of his father now, every one have their own life to live.Every body accounts for his action when he is able to decide what he or she wants. "But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the Lord commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin. 2 Kings 14:6 (KJV)". any curse can be averted when that person seeks to be free.the opportunities presented for change of heart is what determines if that man is truly changed hence no body will end up saying it was not their fault..so you can be exempted from the curse of your fathers.you are given a choice to decide which one stands, to avert it or to be included in the judgement.things have been so simplified but I wonder why you don't want to know it before you go to bed to rest

thehomer:

This is just an incoherent jumble of sentences. What point are you trying to make here? And can you do that in 2 or 3 sentences?

No need, it will still be a waste on you.

It is not the first time you have heard this line. No ?

thehomer:

Did I say they were atheists? Who said the Egyptians were atheists?

You are lost men!

he wants to know God for who he is.give him a chance to, truthislight

momomomo: thehomer. you know what, no child pays for the sins of his father now, every one have their own life to live.Every body accounts for his action when he is able to decide what he or she wants. "But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the Lord commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin. 2 Kings 14:6 (KJV)". any curse can be averted when that person seeks to be free.the opportunities presented for change of heart is what determines if that man is truly changed hence no body will end up saying it was not their fault..so you can be exempted from the curse of your fathers.you are given a choice to decide which one stands, to avert it or to be included in the judgement.things have been so simplified but I wonder why you don't want to know it before you go to bed to rest

Then why did God specifically say their children should be killed?

thehomer

Image123:

i guess you have no idea what a moral base is, as you evidently lack one. You are fine with abortion, on what moral base? You are not fine with God, on what moral base? It would be safer for you to argue from a logical point of view (if you do not introduce your trademark fallacies), than a moral one. You can't stand as a moral base.
Now, tell me, a good that rewards a person with what we call good things for generations after. Is it absurd that He punishes another with what we call bad things for generations after. That's the way God works, simply shape in or shape out. For Abraham's actions, God reward him even after his death, a promise he himself did not actually get while 'alive'. God blesses righteous people and their seed/children/coming generation/descendants. The same God punishes people and their seed/children IF they do not change.
A wise person sees something he cannot control, like God, the sun, weather and seasons, and works round it for his benefit. A foolish person sees something he cannot control and perishes. We can always change category.

momomomo: God does not embrace evil. Evil to God is knowing what is not good so that you can stay clear of it."And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil
Gen 2:9 (KJV)". it was when man knew the opposite of good (which is evil, man now desired that aspect more than the good of itself. God is the only good God. He is all knowing because he knows every thought , desire and expectation of man. Every thing God does is good, not evil.Like i said before, to the good, his ways are good but to the wicked, he is wicked to them. HE RENDERS THE WICKEDNESS OF THE WICKED ON THEIR OWN HEAD. God is a good God.Evil is a conscious act of MAN not God.

What you failed to notice is; Evil exists and God is the only Cause of any existence. To deny God has a evil subconscious at least, is to deny God's omnipotence and his role as the Creator. Also note that the Tree of Knowledge which is evil was at the centre of Eden. And obviously created by someone!

momomomo: what becomes of an atheist on the day of judgement. he is but cast away as one that denied every opportunity to know the truth talk much of asking for the truth or even ready to know the truth. how can you believe except you are told and how can you be told except one talks about it to you. today is your day of knowing the truth and this truth is that God loves you and wants to know you so he can become your lord and father.yes this is the truth and the only truth needed for you to believe in him. just know this truth and believe it, all other things will become clearer to you.

Faith is non communicative. If you allude to the truth, only the standard of critical thinking suffices. Otherwise we are delving in error.

Also, it runs counter to the idea of an all powerful onipotent being such as God that he is dependent on love.

truthislight:

Yeah! The Amalikite were atheist i forgot.

Just like the egyptians.

This is entirely untrue.

@ Image123

On what moral basis do you support a person who specifically commands that children should be killed? And in some cases, that young female children were property to be shared by people who killed their parents? You're welcome to argue from whatever position you want. All I ask is that you be consistent.

thehomer: @ Image123

On what moral basis do you support a person who specifically commands that children should be killed? And in some cases, that young female children were property to be shared by people who killed their parents? You're welcome to argue from whatever position you want. All I ask is that you be consistent.

i don't support a fellow person commnding anyone to be killed or shared as property. Obviously, you are aware that your moral base(which is baseless) is your own fickle self's mind and reason.
if you by some chance are referring to God, all things living and non living belong to Him and He has the base and right of possesson to do as He pleases.

Image123:
i don't support a fellow person commnding anyone to be killed or shared as property. Obviously, you are aware that your moral base(which is baseless) is your own fickle self's mind and reason.
if you by some chance are referring to God, all things living and non living belong to Him and He has the base and right of possesson to do as He pleases.

Then how exactly is God a moral person? If a person commands to you that you should go out and kill 5 children. Would you be moral for following it? Would the person who gave such a command be a moral person?

Since you feel God has this right, would you do it if commanded by this God?

you want to pretend you didn't see the part i said he does not judge any more as then. why are you so stubborn in believing the truth the homer.you come to me with question,but you are not ready for answers. your time is coming to be my messager. yes and you can not run away from it so better be ready to tell my people that now is the time to be on for me and to go to the atheist without the access to know the truth to believe in the one and only true God.from God and momomomo is just being used for your conversion from the time appointed to the time you must manifest and know that i am not a dead God nor dangerous to relate with. let us now see if it will not happen.

thehomer:

Then how exactly is God a moral person? If a person commands to you that you should go out and kill 5 children. Would you be moral for following it? Would the person who gave such a command be a moral person?

Since you feel God has this right, would you do it if commanded by this God?

God is not a man. He is not subject to the same laws as man. Like for instance, He does not sleep. A person like you and me cannot create life. God is the creator and owner of all life. For instance, if you were farmer, nd i took your oxen, that would be theft. If you took it, or ordered me to take it, that would not be theft.

On what i would do if God commands me, i know God and to some extent i know what He would command me and what He would not command me. Therefore there is absolutely no need for baseless assumptions. God is faithful to His Word(tje Bible)

momomomo: you want to pretend you didn't see the part i said he does not judge any more as then. why are you so stubborn in believing the truth the homer.you come to me with question,but you are not ready for answers. your time is coming to be my messager. yes and you can not run away from it so better be ready to tell my people that now is the time to be on for me and to go to the atheist without the access to know the truth to believe in the one and only true God.from God and momomomo is just being used for your conversion from the time appointed to the time you must manifest and know that i am not a dead God nor dangerous to relate with. let us now see if it will not happen.

Why are you so stubborn? I came to you with a question but you never answered the simple question. Here it is again for you to consider.

Would you kill 5 children if commanded by God?

Image123:

God is not a man. He is not subject to the same laws as man. Like for instance, He does not sleep. A person like you and me cannot create life. God is the creator and owner of all life. For instance, if you were farmer, nd i took your oxen, that would be theft. If you took it, or ordered me to take it, that would not be theft.

You're basically implying that God isn't a moral agent i.e is not a person.

Image123:
On what i would do if God commands me, i know God and to some extent i know what He would command me and what He would not command me. Therefore there is absolutely no need for baseless assumptions. God is faithful to His Word(tje Bible)

How sure are you? He has commanded people in the past to kill children. My question is if he decided to do that once more, would you?

thehomer:

You're basically implying that God isn't a moral agent i.e is not a person.



How sure are you? He has commanded people in the past to kill children. My question is if he decided to do that once more, would you?

What is a moral agent? God is a person but no a man. The context is clearly different. Like an executioner and a murderer. The executioner carries out the same action as the murderer, the executioner has the authority, the murderer/assasin doesn't.
i'm sure because i have read God's Word and like you've rightly hinted, here was a past, a different dispensation. i know what He can decide to do so there is no need for baseless assumptions. Its like asking what if obama is the president nigeria? We already know that he is not and would not, and there is therefore no objective purpose or gain in fantasy and idle talk.

someone once argued this.

maybe this argument will make sense to you.

Humans that owns properties are entitled to do whatever they wishes with their personal properties.

But humans dont own or create nor give 'life' to any human, and all humans are entitled to 'life' and as such cannot take another persons life, hence it is illegal to take another persons life at will under normal Condition.

But as it is said:
"God is the giver of life". As such, life becomes his property.

If that ^ is true, the question of 'morality' concerning taking of life and giving of life changes were 'GOD' is concern from that of human, since humans are his properties and he can "do with his property the way he wishes" and is entitled to.

If that ^ is true, the demand and questioning of the 'taking of life' by any entity becomes an ethically wrong question and as such, null and void since it will take away the right of God to do with his property as he so wishes.

If then, human cannot question him for giving the 'life' at the first place, you cannot question him for taking it also.

Any question to that end is ill informed.

However, he does not abuse this absolutes of his.

The Amalikite reaped what they sowed.

Peace

truthislight: someone once argued this.

maybe this argument will make sense to you.

Humans that owns properties are entitled to do whatever they wishes with their personal properties.

But humans dont own or create nor give 'life' to any human, and all humans are entitled to 'life' and as such cannot take another persons life, hence it is illegal to take another persons life at will under normal Condition.

But as it is said:
"God is the giver of life". As such, life becomes his property.

If that ^ is true, the question of 'morality' concerning taking of life and giving of life changes were 'GOD' is concern from that of human, since humans are his properties and he can "do with his property the way he wishes" and is entitled to.

If that ^ is true, the demand and questioning of the 'taking of life' by any entity becomes an ethically wrong question and as such, null and void since it will take away the right of God to do with his property as he so wishes.

If then, human cannot question him for giving the 'life' at the first place, you cannot question him for taking it also.

Any question to that end is ill informed.

However, he does not abuse this absolutes of his.

The Amalikite reaped what they sowed.

Peace

Yes God can do whatever he wishes with us and it is a demomstration of his Strength. However, if you claim God has an absolute discretion over human lives to an extent that such discretion is beyond ethical questioning, then whatever the Amalekites did is irrelevant.

Also it is weak for God to seek moral justifications and approval before every action.

Kay 17:

Yes God can do whatever he wishes with us and it is a demomstration of his Strength. However, if you claim God has an absolute discretion over human lives to an extent that such discretion is beyond ethical questioning, then whatever the Amalekites did is irrelevant.

Also it is weak for God to seek moral justifications and approval before every action.

Well, not when 'Justice' is said to be one of his cardinal attribute.

truthislight:

Why did the Amalikite and their god feel that the Israelites men, women, children born and unborn, lives stock and all must die ?

Does that make it right? I am confused about God in the old testament

Image123:

What is a moral agent? God is a person but no a man. The context is clearly different. Like an executioner and a murderer. The executioner carries out the same action as the murderer, the executioner has the authority, the murderer/assasin doesn't.

If God is a person, then you're admitting that he is a moral agent. As a moral agent who cares about humans, why would he give the sorts of commands he gave?

Image123:
i'm sure because i have read God's Word and like you've rightly hinted, here was a past, a different dispensation. i know what He can decide to do so there is no need for baseless assumptions. Its like asking what if obama is the president nigeria? We already know that he is not and would not, and there is therefore no objective purpose or gain in fantasy and idle talk.

Has God ever ordered the killing of children? Please answer with a yes or no.

If he has, is it a baseless assumption to wonder whether or not he could do it again?

thehomer:

If God is a person, then you're admitting that he is a moral agent. As a moral agent who cares about humans, why would he give the sorts of commands he gave?



Has God ever ordered the killing of children? Please answer with a yes or no.

If he has, is it a baseless assumption to wonder whether or not he could do it again?

i asked for the meaning of a moral agent. God cares about humans, He also cares about judgement and always does the best possible. Like one would rather have one percent of his property perish, or one friend die, han to allow the corrupted one percent influence and destroy the whole. The kudos becomes more prominent when one recalls that God has the benefit of foresight and hindsight, unlike man.

i'll take the question about God ever ordering killing to be rhetorical. What makes it baseless is the common knowledge of the context and dispensation/time in which it was done, compared to the time that we are in. The same Bible tells us such is not to happen in our time. Why you choose to ignore that current fact and cling vigorously to the latter fact is surprising. Is it a baseless assumption to wonder whether or not you will come out of another human again, seeing you have done it before?