Bidam: sori..no vex say i dey ask queshions..i wan understand your theology well well..na papa born pikin or na papa create pikin?

Papa create pikin.....

Gbam!!!!!........

Except you been borrow Yahweh wife.......

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ijawkid:

Spirit son.......

Is this answer not enough??........

hmmn..so you gree Jesus has a divine nature?

Bidam: hmmn..so you gree Jesus has a divine nature?

Did I ever deny that??........

He was from heaven........

Who leaves in heaven that isn't divine??....

Even humans can be divine.......

ijawkid:

Papa create pikin.....

Gbam!!!!!........

Except you been borrow Yahweh wife.......

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oK..IF Papa create pikin why e come be say na Adam be first Man..Jesus suppose be first MAN NA..this theology just doesn't add up.

ijawkid:

Did I ever deny that??........

He was from heaven........

Who leaves in heaven that isn't divine??....

Even humans can be divine.......

and that was why i mentioned Adam who committed sacrilege..it just doesn't add up.

Bidam: oK..IF Papa create pikin why e come be say na Adam be first Man..Jesus suppose be first MAN NA..this theology just doesn't add up.

Jesus was a spirit like his Father and all the angels and not a physical man when he was created.......

Adam was first man(physical,flesh and blood not spirit) on earth.........

Bidam: and that was why i mentioned Adam who committed sacrilege..it just doesn't add up.

My bro.....we are all images of God and so exhibit divine qualities.....the difference is just the degree to which we exude these qualities of God......

Jesus exhibited them perfectly.......the angels exhibit them....we exhibit them.......even stones,rocks and mountains exhibit them........

Jesus by virtue of his being firstborn has reflected his Fathers qualities more than anyone can........

Since we can't see the Father(no one can see him and yet live) we have to imitate his son who is closest to him so that we can learn about the Father.......

ijawkid:

Jesus was a spirit like his Father and all the angels and not a physical man when he was created.......

Adam was first man(physical,flesh and blood not spirit) on earth.........

from the bolded one can deduce you imply Jesus to be an angel..There is no record in the bible that God created a spirit then angels before creating man..it flies out of biblical reasoning

ijawkid:

My bro.....we are all images of God and so exhibit divine qualities.....the difference is just the degree to which we exude these qualities of God......

Jesus exhibited them perfectly.......the angels exhibit them....we exhibit them.......even stones,rocks and mountains exhibit them........

Jesus by virtue of his being firstborn has reflected his Fathers qualities more than anyone can........

Since we can't see the Father(no one can see him and yet live) we have to imitate his son who is closest to him so that we can learn about the Father.......

As far as am concerned it makes more bible sense if you say MAN cannot help himself then Jesus( God Extended arm) has to come to earth as the second Adam to save him.He is the first begotten from the dead and that is why Paul labelled Him the first born of all creation after the resurrection of cos.There are no two thrones in heaven only one and that of the elders who worship God day and night.It makes alot of bible sense if you see JESUS AS GOD O BUT NOT TO THE ATHEIST SHA.

Bidam: from the bolded one can deduce you imply Jesus to be an angel..There is no record in the bible that God created a spirit then angels before creating man..it flies out of biblical reasoning

He was never created.

that's why am asking you
man?
angel?
a god?
GOD?

now u have 4 choice
lol actually for ijawkid

benalvino:

He was never created.

that's why am asking you
man?
angel?
a god?
GOD?

now u have 4 choice
lol actually for ijawkid

Oops..he was created.....had a beginning....he is the beginning of Gods creation.........

ijawkid:

Oops..he was created.....had a beginning....he is the beginning of Gods creation.........

ok I hear you... so make your choice then

benalvino:

when people worship Jesus your bible change to "obeisance" all this is to strip Jesus away from his
deity

sometimes we misunderstand scriptures because we do not realize that the English language has changed drastically in the centuries since the Bible was first translated into English.

If you have ever attended a wedding, or if you are married, what does it mean when the groom says to his bride: "with my body I thee [/b]worship?[b]

Bidam: .If you go heaven no be God you go see..na Jesus.

really? Acts 7:55- 'But he (Stephen) being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and [/b]Jesus standing on the right hand of God[b]

honeychild:
really? Acts 7:55- 'But he (Stephen) being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and [/b]Jesus standing on the right hand of God[b]

You are not saying anything here..i never said God's glory can't be seen..Heck even we as humans are God's glory..the Israelite saw God's glory as a cloud..In that verse you quoted the bible said Stephen saw Jesus not God..God is invisible..Jesus is the visible aspect of God..get it.

Bidam: There is no record in the bible that God created a spirit then angels before creating man..it flies out of biblical reasoning

Bidam na wa o.....u dey read Bible at all?
Job 38:1-7:
Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:
Who is this that darkness counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man: for I will demand of thee and thou answer me. Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare if thou hath understanding.
Who hath laid the measure thereof if thou knows? Or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened ? or who laid the cornerstone thereof? [/b] when the Morningstar sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?[b]

Bidam: You are not saying anything here..i never said God's glory can't be seen..Heck even we as humans are God's glory..the Israelite saw God's glory as a cloud..In that verse you quoted the bible said Stephen saw Jesus not God..God is invisible..Jesus is the visible aspect of God..get it.

Jesus [/b]standing at the right hand of GOD![b]

honeychild:

Bidam na wa o.....u dey read Bible at all?
Job 38:1-7:
Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:
Who is this that darkness counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man: for I will demand of thee and thou answer me. Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare if thou hath understanding.
Who hath laid the measure thereof if thou knows? Or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened ? or who laid the cornerstone thereof? [/b] when the Morningstar sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?[b]

the onus is on you to explain to us who is this morningstar that sang together and all the sons of God that shouted for joy abi? cos me i don't understand o

Bidam: the onus is on you to explain to us who is this morningstar that sang together and all the sons of God that shouted for joy abi? cos me i don't understand o

Job 1:6 - and there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. -KJV

Job1:6 - one day the [/b]angels[b] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them - NIV



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honeychild:

Jesus [/b]standing at the right hand of GOD![b]

so explain Jesus standing at the right hand of God..does it mean Jesus stands 24/7 and baba God sits reclining on a throne?

honeychild:
Job 1:6 - and there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. -KJV

Job1:6 - one day the [/b]angels[b] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them - NIV



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It's like you did not read my queshion properly..It is not about satan creation..i said there is no record in the bible that God created a spirit(Jesus) then angels before creating man..it flies out of biblical reasoning.

honeychild:

Jesus [/b]standing at the right hand of GOD![b]

Emmm God is everywhere no one can stand at his right hand because with God there is no right or left. Many people dont understand that right hand of God means all power and authority. In colossians 1:15 the bible says all powers and authority was created through Jesus and for him. So right hand of God means he is at the centre of authority and power his own. In some verse the bible says he stand at the right hand of power. And some verse says right hand of majesty.

Bidam: It's like you did not read my queshion properly..It is not about satan creation..i said there is no record in the bible that God created a spirit(Jesus) then angels before creating man..it flies out of biblical reasoning.

the bible says the 'sons of God' were applauding when God was creating the earth. This means they were created [/b]before[b] man.

Now of all these 'sons of God' Jesus is the [/b]first born[b]. Do you really need a dictionary to tell you what 'first born' means?

honeychild:

the bible says the 'sons of God' were applauding when God was creating the earth. This means they were created [/b]before[b] man.

Now of all these 'sons of God' Jesus is the [/b]first born[b]. Do you really need a dictionary to tell you what 'first born' means?

height of heresy is comparing Jesus with angels..in other words Jesus and satan are equal by your analogy..you tell me using bible exegesis not dictionary how first born con turn to first creation? so many contradictions from your post..SMH

honeychild:

the bible says the 'sons of God' were applauding when God was creating the earth. This means they were created [/b]before[b] man.

Now of all these 'sons of God' Jesus is the [/b]first born[b]. Do you really need a dictionary to tell you what 'first born' means?

I will advice you to read the first post in this thread... are you saying Israel is also the firstborn? or david is also the firstborn?

don't you dictionary for interpreting biblical words like right hand of God or firstborn or throne because it will stray you to the wrong context of the bible passage.

benalvino:

Emmm God is everywhere no one can stand at his right hand because with God there is no right or left. Many people dont understand that right hand of God means all power and authority. In colossians 1:15 the bible says all powers and authority was created through Jesus and for him. So right hand of God means he is at the centre of authority and power his own. In some verse the bible says he stand at the right hand of power. And some verse says right hand of majesty.

Sorry...but God is not everywhere:
Psalm 11:4
The LORD is in his Holy temple; The LORD's throne is in heaven.[/b]His eyes behold[b], his eyelids test the sons of men. - KJV

God is in [/b]heaven[b] sitting on a [/b]throne[b]. It is his [/b]eyes[b] that can see everything and everywhere.

Bidam: height of heresy is comparing Jesus with angels..in other words Jesus and satan are equal by your analogy..you tell me using bible exegesis not dictionary how first born con turn to first creation? so many contradictions from your post..SMH

God has many children. Human sons (me and you). as well as spirit sons. (Jesus and the angels)

All of these are called sons because their lives originated from God. Of all these sons of God, Jesus is first in all respects.

honeychild:

Sorry...but God is not everywhere:
Psalm 11:4
The LORD is in his Holy temple; The LORD's throne is in heaven.[/b]His eyes behold[b], his eyelids test the sons of men. - KJV

God is in [/b]heaven[b] sitting on a [/b]throne[b]. It is his [/b]eyes[b] that can see everything and everywhere.

God is every where... If he eyes sees everything it means he is everywhere if he is not there he cant see...
that's why he is omnipresent.
he is everywhere

Bidam: Just accept the bible explanation that He is God the Son.then we won't argue anymore.

Just give me the Book, chapter and verse where Jesus is called 'God the son' .

benalvino:

God is every where... If he eyes sees everything it means he is everywhere if he is not there he cant see...
that's why he is omnipresent.
he is everywhere

Nope...you do not have to physically leave your location to see something happening somewhere else.....even ordinary humans have learnt to do that....do not try to limit God

honeychild:

God has many children. Human sons (me and you). as well as spirit sons. (Jesus and the angels)

You are yet to show me a single verse of scripture of how Jesus came to be a spirit son..hope you re not JW?

All of these are called sons because their lives originated from God. Of all these sons of God, Jesus is first in all respects.

following your line of reasoning..you mean spirit sons can come down to inhabit the belly of a woman abi? then all spirit sons should be doing that cos they are equal..it just doesn't make sense which ever way you twist it.

honeychild:

Nope...you do not have to physically leave your location to see something happening somewhere else.....even ordinary humans have learnt to do that....do not try to limit God

in David’s words: “Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in hell [the grave], behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there Your hand shall lead me, and Your right hand shall hold me” (Psalm 139:7–10).

It is by their Spirit that the Father and the glorified Christ have complete access to their creation! Through His Spirit, God’s reach extends to every nook and cranny of the universe, and there is—as David wrote—no place to flee from His presence. Yet He still retains a shape—a body—ruling in glory from His throne in heaven. It is from there that “His eyes behold” the sons of men (Psalm 11:4).