ice234: 1.
21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.

22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.
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Did you guys even notice the subtle difference between the father and the son in this your creed?

honeychild:

God has many children. Human sons (me and you). as well as spirit sons. (Jesus and the angels)

All of these are called sons because their lives originated from God. Of all these sons of God, Jesus is first in all respects.

lol but Jesus is the everlasting father(eternal father) angels and everything was created through Jesus the Word of God that's is why Jesus is part of that God eternal... there was never a time God was without his Word.
everything in the universe holds because of Jesus everything was created for him. thrones power authority everything.
if Jesus is like a spirit as you categorize him with angels it means he is an angel which is WRONG. my Jehovah's witness friend has refused to answer this simple question.
we know Jesus is called Son of God... we are called sons of God and we are humans, angels are sons of God and they are spirit... so who is Jesus?

A: man
B; a god
C: a angel
D: GOD...

he has refused to answer this simple question and a gazillion of other questions.

honeychild:

Just give me the Book, chapter and verse where Jesus is called 'God the son' .

so many scriptures.. but this looks significant "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19)". Through all the passages in the bible, it shows these three persons with God attached to their names.

honeychild:

Did you guys even notice the subtle difference between the father and the son in this your creed?

if you read from that same post from Ice you will see where he said they are distinct person... the father is not the son and the son is not the father... so your answer is already In that post you quote...

benalvino:

Yet He still retains a shape—a body—ruling in glory from His throne in heaven. It is from there that “His eyes behold” the sons of men (Psalm 11:4).

benalvino:

Emmm God is everywhere no one can stand at his right hand because with God there is no right or left.

can you see yourself now? running around in circles because you are trying to defend the indefensible.

Bidam: Through all the passages in the bible, it shows these three persons with God attached to their names.

like I said....I need just one.

honeychild:



can you see yourself now? running around in circles because you are trying to defend the indefensible.

when you read the whole stuff I posted there you will know what I mean... you took a tiny part of it. my post simply explain how he is everywhere... don't take words out of context. david explain it well...

It is by their Spirit that the Father and the glorified Christ have complete access to their creation! Through His Spirit, God’s reach extends to every nook and cranny of the universe, and there is—as David wrote—no place to flee from His presence. Yet He still retains a shape—a body—ruling in glory from His throne in heaven. It is from there that “His eyes behold” the sons of men (Psalm 11:4). don't take words out of context

Bidam:
following your line of reasoning..you mean spirit sons can come down to inhabit the belly of a woman abi? then all spirit sons should be doing that cos they are equal..it just doesn't make sense which ever way you twist it.

1. Not all spirit sons are equal. Even among the angels, they have ranks.

2. If God decides to send all of them into the belly of women then no probs. Remember, Jesus was sent.....if he had decided to come by himself that would have been rebellion.

honeychild:

like I said....I need just one.

and that is exactly what i did ma'am.

honeychild:

1. Not all spirit sons are equal. Even among the angels, they have ranks.

2. If God decides to send all of them into the belly of women then no probs. Remember, Jesus was sent.....if he had decided to come by himself that would have been rebellion.

so you are saying Jesus is a super angel? abeg make una tell me Jesus nature before he came to earth...

a god?
angel?
man?

abeg una.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

benalvino:

when you read the whole stuff I posted there you will know what I mean... you took a tiny part of it. my post simply explain how he is everywhere... don't take words out of context. david explain it well...

It is by their Spirit that the Father and the glorified Christ have complete access to their creation! Through His Spirit, God’s reach extends to every nook and cranny of the universe, and there is—as David wrote—no place to flee from His presence. Yet He still retains a shape—a body—ruling in glory from His throne in heaven. It is from there that “His eyes behold” the sons of men (Psalm 11:4). don't take words out of context

You contradicted yourself.......

You said it is by there spirit that the Father(who is the only true one God) and Jesus acces there creation......and then later you said through his spirit.....

How many persons are in that HIS??....

It now occurs to me that you don't even see the Father as different from the son aka modalism.....

Who is the sole owner of the holy spirit??....

The Father or the son or both of them??......

You can keep confusing yourself for all eternity........

And always remember the son is the beginning of Gods creation....always remember........

Don't equate Jesus with his creator...

benalvino:

so you are saying Jesus is a super angel? abeg make una tell me Jesus nature before he came to earth...

a god?
angel?
man?

abeg una.

You forget to add morning star..........

Add am....

honeychild:
. Not all spirit sons are equal. Even among the angels, they have ranks.

You see how una dey shoot una sef for leg..you are calling Jesus an arch angel the same and equal with lucifer no more no less..SMH.these cults sef na wa for dem sha.

2. If God decides to send all of them into the belly of women then no probs. Remember, Jesus was sent.....if he had decided to come by himself that would have been rebellion.

You need to understand the the worlds(including your archangels and spirit sons) were framed by the WORD(Jesus) of God.God is and always will be the source from which Jesus(the Word) was sent.You can't understand these things except they are revealed to you by the Holy Spirit(God's Spirit) and that is why Paul was bold enough to declare that God was made manifest in the flesh.

shdemidemi: 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

One what??......

You see one GOD for there??......

If you see show us.......

ijawkid:
One what??......

You see one GOD for there??......

If you see show us.......

You need make we go wake John to spoon feed you with what that means right? Stop acting a fool, you and I know what the verse is talking about.

shdemidemi:

You need make we go wake John to spoon feed you with what that means right? Stop acting a fool, you and I know what the verse is talking about.

Lol....

Show me from that verse where it says and the 3 are 1 GOD....if you can't forever shut up your mouth.........

ijawkid:

You contradicted yourself.......

You said it is by there spirit that the Father(who is the only true one God) and Jesus acces there creation......and then later you said through his spirit.....

How many persons are in that HIS??....

It now occurs to me that you don't even see the Father as different from the son aka modalism.....

Who is the sole owner of the holy spirit??....

The Father or the son or both of them??......

You can keep confusing yourself for all eternity........

And always remember the son is the beginning of Gods creation....always remember........

Don't equate Jesus with his creator...

honestly you need someone else to explain it for you... you cant even understand it... Honey girl query is that God is not everywhere that his eyes sees everything from heaven... she didn't see the contradiction you saw because that which you saw doesn't exist... she only point out that he is in heaven not everywhere that's why she too out this part

retains a shape—a body—ruling in glory from His throne in heaven

you are always looking for fault and try to inject false fault on us... we have told you millions of time that the father and son are distinct persons... it wont take long before you come out with this trick again. I have set my watch to see how long it takes.

shdemidemi:

You need make we go wake John to spoon feed you with what that means right? Stop acting a fool, you and I know what the verse is talking about.

he always does that... he knows what it means but he will look for a meaning that is wrong and believe what is wrong all the time.

ijawkid:

Lol....

Show me from that verse where it says and the 3 are 1 GOD....if you can't forever shut up your mouth.........

excuse at its finest

benalvino:

honestly you need someone else to explain it for you... you cant even understand it... Honey girl query is that God is not everywhere that his eyes sees everything from heaven... she didn't see the contradiction you saw because that which you saw doesn't exist... she only point out that he is in heaven not everywhere that's why she too out this part

Why didn't you wait for her to explain completely what she meant........??......she would give you the right retort......

benalvino:

you are always looking for fault and try to inject false fault on us... we have told you millions of time that the father and son are distinct persons... it wont take long before you come out with this trick again. I have set my watch to see how long it takes.

But your statements always contradict your stance..........

If the Father and son are different person why can't you agree that the ONE GOD to us is just the Father alone??.......and that from him all persons starting from Jesus and everybody came from??........

you contradict yourself when you say the Father and son are 2 distinct individuals and yet make up 1 GOD the Father.......

Contradiction...........

Choose......

ijawkid:

Lol....

Show me from that verse where it says and the 3 are 1 GOD....if you can't forever shut up your mouth.........

Don't just come here for argument sake, read from the top of the chapter, you might be edified.

ijawkid:
Why didn't you wait for her to explain completely what she meant........??......she would give you the right retort......




But your statements always contradict your stance..........

If the Father and son are different person why can't you agree that the ONE GOD to us is just the Father alone??.......and that from him all persons starting from Jesus and everybody came from??........

you contradict yourself when you say the Father and son are 2 distinct individuals and yet make up 1 GOD the Father.......

Contradiction...........

Choose......

she already did... her point is he is still in heaven of course he is... that is why he is everywhere.
father son and holy spirit are one...
the father is God...
son is God
holy spirit is God...

each play different role in salvation...
Father is 1 son is 2 holy spirit is 3...
yet there is one God. period..

that is why you are afraid in answering if jesus is

man
angel or
a god.

@ijawkid.. Do you know you might not be saved after all. You and I are not the subject, but Christ is. No matter how many times you call Yahweh, that would not save you, you are only saved through Christ.

benalvino:

excuse at its finest

Please did you all read the next verse??.......

Why would you want to wrench the one in that verse to mean one GOD??....

Isn't that 419 at its best??.....

shdemidemi: @ijawkid.. Do you know you might not be saved after all. You and I are not the subject, but Christ is. No matter how many times you call Yahweh, that would not save you, you are only saved through Christ.

No you might just be the one who Christ would kick out.....

Because he says only those who do the WILL of his FaTHER would he welcome.....

Ask yourself are you doing the will of the Father who is the one God of Jesus and all by believing in the trinity??.....

Is the one GOD the Father or not??........

benalvino:

she already did... her point is he is still in heaven of course he is... that is why he is everywhere.
father son and holy spirit are one...
the father is God...
son is God
holy spirit is God...

each play different role in salvation...
Father is 1 son is 2 holy spirit is 3...
yet there is one God. period..

that is why you are afraid in answering if jesus is

man
angel or
a god.

I say add morning star to the list....I'm not afraid of anything..I've done my job on this thread......

Father ,son and holy spirit are one what??....

One what??.......

shdemidemi:

Don't just come here for argument sake, read from the top of the chapter, you might be edified.

Just go hide your face.....

You quoted a scripture to prove something and you can't prove it....

I would ask again......

The Father ,son and holy spirit are one what??.........

ijawkid:

I say add morning star to the list....I'm not afraid of anything..I've done my job on this thread......

Father ,son and holy spirit are one what??....

One what??.......

they are one... abeg you what else do you want... this is excuse.
what does morning star have to do with the nature of him?

ijawkid:

No you might just be the one who Christ would kick out.....

Because he says only those who do the WILL of his FaTHER would he welcome.....

Ask yourself are you doing the will of the Father who is the one God of Jesus and all by believing in the trinity??.....

Is the one GOD the Father or not??........

If I may ask you, what is the will of the father that makes you qualified for heaven?

benalvino:

they are one... abeg you what else do you want... this is excuse.
what does morning star have to do with the nature of him?

One what?......remember I won't even contest the fact that this rendered verse is spurious to the core.....

I want us to focus on this verse......

They are one what??......one naira or what??.......



Didn't you know Jesus was and is a morning star??.......

Did it escape your research work??......

ijawkid:

Just go hide your face.....

You quoted a scripture to prove something and you can't prove it....

I would ask again......

The Father ,son and holy spirit are one what??.........

I will bring it down to your mundane level-
Solid, liquid and gas are one---what do you think the answer to this is?