Mr anony: Frosbel's modus operandi.

Step 1. Open a thread and announce that you want to show that Christ did not pre-exist His birth

Step 2. When you are asked why you think Christ did not exist from the beginning, don't answer just accuse the person who asked you the question of arrogance

Step 3. When shown from the bible that Jesus clearly existed before His birth, ignore that too instead ask an irrelevant question pertaining to trinity

Step 4. When provided with more verse including those of Jesus Himself telling people that He existed before his physical birth, dodge those as well, instead ask the irrelevant question of whether the pre-existence of Christ is relevant to Christianity. Conveniently forget that you bothered to open a thread that you didn't think was relevant at all.

Step 5. When finally pressed to the wall and asked to make your case clear why you hold the opinions you hold. Promise everyone that you will come back to answer properly as soon as you "finish what you are doing now".

Step 6. Unfollow the thread. They can wait forever if they like.

Step 7. After a week or two, open another thread on the very same topic and repeat the process all over again

Good observation.

OLAADEGBU:

Good observation.

Oladegbu, Anony's correct deduction of frosbels ways fits just right with you as well. Kettle calling pot black, you run away at the sight of scriptural questions that expose your false belief.

frosbel:

U Turn back to the cultic teachings of deeperlife ? God forbid !

Look at what's ahead of you. Take the next exit on the right!

What is new , False Prophets attacking the children of GOD for debunking their PAGAN trinity and eternal torment false doctrines, occultic visions of hell and heaven and spirits leaving bodies , teachings that suggest sinners do not need to repent and so on and so forth.

I have news for you , frosbel is here to stay and will continue to fight the good fight of faith, debunking your pagan teachings and freeing the sheep from your oppressive clutches.

frosbel:

What is new , False Prophets attacking the children of GOD for debunking their PAGAN trinity and eternal torment false doctrines, occultic visions of hell and heaven and spirits leaving bodies , teachings that suggest sinners do not need to repent and so on and so forth.

I have news for you , frosbel is here to stay and will continue to fight the good fight of faith, debunking your pagan teachings and freeing the sheep from your oppressive clutches.

Hunn? Did you say freeing the sheep?

Frank4YAHWEH:
You asked in your previous post about error in translation and I gave you an examples. Do you believe that the translation that you use is witout error? I do not believe that any translation is without error.

I have answered this. Any mistranslations that occur will usually be very minor as is normally expected any time one translates from one language to another. The only way to legitimately claim a mistranslation has occured is if you are fluent in the two languages

Would you like to show me from your translation where it says "Jesus pre-existed his birth."? I do not believe there is any translation of Scripture that says this.

This is where you are wrong.

Let us examine scripture:

JESUS IN CONVERSATION WITH NICODEMUS.

Jesus answered him, "Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things? Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you do not receive our testimony. If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. - John 3:10-13 (Emphasis on John 3:13)

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JOHN THE BAPTIST TELLING HIS DISCIPLES ABOUT JESUS CHRIST.

And they came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, he who was with you across the Jordan, to whom you bore witness--look, he is baptizing, and all are going to him." John answered, "A person cannot receive even one thing unless it is given him from heaven. You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, 'I am not the Christ, but I have been sent before him.' The one who has the bride is the bridegroom. The friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly at the bridegroom's voice. Therefore this joy of mine is now complete. He must increase, but I must decrease." He who comes from above is above all. He who is of the earth belongs to the earth and speaks in an earthly way. He who comes from heaven is above all. He bears witness to what he has seen and heard, yet no one receives his testimony. Whoever receives his testimony sets his seal to this, that God is true. For he whom God has sent utters the words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure. The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand. Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. - John 3:26-36 (Emphasis on verses 31 and 32)

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JESUS CHRIST SPEAKING TO THE JEWS.
So they said to him, "Then what sign do you do, that we may see and believe you? What work do you perform? Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, 'He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'" Jesus then said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven.
For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world." They said to him, "Sir, give us this bread always." Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe.
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."
So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven." They said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, 'I have come down from heaven'?"
Jesus answered them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets, 'And they will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me-- not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father.
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh."
The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me.
This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever." Jesus said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum.
When many of his disciples heard it, they said, "This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?"
But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, "Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
But there are some of you who do not believe." (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. - John 6:30-66 (Emphasis on verses 38, 41, 42, 46, and 62)

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Notice that I have taken the pains to quote those verses in their context so that you don't miss exactly what the bible is saying

Yes, I believe that all translations have been twisted, so we have nothing to talk about.

I suppose you don't think the whole bible is twisted because you have claimed to stand by what it says. Now I'll ask: What method do you use to tell the difference between the "twisted" parts and the non-twisted parts of the bible?

frosbel:

anony , I can call you dishonest and lacking in integrity , but I choose not to descend to that level of personal vendetta, because after all we are only here to voice our opinions on certain church doctrines and debate our position.

My point has been made and hundreds enlightened on the TRUTH , this is what matters to be , not the rants of anony.

Lol, please where did you make this mysterious truth point of yours? Please link to it, I guess I must have missed it.

....or you can dodge this request and open another thread as usual.

Mr anony:
Lol, please where did you make this mysterious truth point of yours? Please link to it, I guess I must have missed it.

....or you can dodge this request and open another thread as usual.

of course you will miss the TRUTH since you dwell with the LIE , that's why you are deceived.

OLAADEGBU:

So I'm not the only one to have noticed this fact?

The fact is so obvious it is scary

frosbel:

of course you will miss the TRUTH since you dwell with the LIE , that's why you are deceived.

Dude, either you post a link to where you posted this "truth" of yours or you shut up.

frosbel:

of course you will miss the TRUTH since you dwell with the LIE , that's why you are deceived.

I am anxious to see this truth as well.

shdemidemi: I don't understand frosbel o, you open a thread for the sake of it and you sound so proud that you can't back the topic up.

What is wrong with u ?

Nna mehn, the thing dey amuse me no be small. This is the first time I'm seeing someone impressed with his own incompetence.

Mr anony:
Dude, either you post a link to where you posted this "truth" of yours or you shut up.

I can see you also have a quick temper hence the insult, but hey I can accomodate your tantrums.

Let me repeat just in case you are hard of hearing, you will not know the truth if you ran into it.

There is hope , don't lose heart, with some humility and diligence , you just may come to a knowledge of this truth.

shdemidemi:
I am anxious to see this truth as well.

the truth certainly is not your teaching which suggests the gentiles do not need to repent, lol.

People are talking you carry mouth put.

^^^^^^ hahahahahahaha ...if that is what you think it is, tough.

Show me the truth please.

shdemidemi: ^^^^^^ hahahahahahaha ...if that is what you think it is, tough.

Show me the truth please.

you missed the truth on Page 1 , lol.

frosbel:

I can see you also have a quick temper hence the insult, but hey I can accomodate your tantrums.

Let me repeat just in case you are hard of hearing, you will not know the truth if you ran into it.

There is hope , don't lose heart, with some humility and diligence , you just may come to a knowledge of this truth.

Lololol, so asking you to give us the link to what you claimed to have posted is now an insult?

Na wa for you o! I wonder how you reason.

Brethren, why don't we end this nonsense once and for all.

Frosbel has claimed that Jesus did not exist before he was physically born

Jesus has answered by saying:

No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.(John 3:13)


Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and anyone who comes to me I will never drive away; for I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. (John 6:37-38)

......When many of his disciples heard it, they said, "This teaching is difficult; who can accept it?" But Jesus, being aware that his disciples were complaining about it, said to them, "Does this offend you? Then what if you were to see [size=14pt]the Son of Man ascending to where he was before[/size]? (John 6:60-62)

The above words of Jesus Christ himself are explicitly clear and unambiguous.

#CaseClosed

Boomark: John 3:13
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.
1 Corinthians 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

I hope these scriptures are convincing. If you are wondering what he was doing at that time, then you have to revisit the angel Micheal thread.

Interesting, read this in the Hebrew Root version of
1 Corithians 15
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. KJV


1 Corithians 15
45 So it is also written, Adam, the first man, became a living nefesh; and the last Adam, a quickening spirit.
46 But the spiritual was not first but the natural and then the spiritual.
47 The first son of man* was dust that was from the earth. The second man was YHWH from heaven. HRV[b][/b]

hisblud:

Interesting, read this in the Hebrew Root version of
1 Corithians 15
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. KJV


1 Corithians 15
45 So it is also written, Adam, the first man, became a living nefesh; and the last Adam, a quickening spirit.
46 But the spiritual was not first but the natural and then the spiritual.
47 The first son of man* was dust that was from the earth. The second man was YHWH from heaven. HRV[b][/b]

WOOOOOW! This is BEAUTIFULL! (with double L for emphasis)

hisblud:

1 Corithians 15
45 So it is also written, Adam, the first man, became a living nefesh; and the last Adam, a quickening spirit.
46 But the spiritual was not first but the natural and then the spiritual.
47 The first son of man* was dust that was from the earth. The second man was YHWH from heaven. HRV[b][/b]

Second MAN was YHWH from heaven ?

Wow, this is blasphemy.

YHWH is a Spirit , period, Jesus is a MAN , period.

Stop this Paganism.

Mr anony:
WOOOOOW! This is BEAUTIFULL! (with double L for emphasis)

I believe the defendant of the thread is not with the scripture with this one, we don't have to crucify the brother. We should gently call him to order while we end the thread for good.

shdemidemi:

I believe the defendant of the thread is not with the scripture with this one, we don't have to crucify the brother. We should gently call him to order while we end the thread for good.

Please crucify me, Peter was crucified upside for telling the truth, the bible warned us of the fact that brother will put brother to death, the only reason why people like me are living is because we are past the dark ages and the authority of the apostate church has being somewhat reduced.

On a more serious note, I am shocked that you of all people believes that YAHWEH is a MAN, disgusting !!

Mr anony:
WOOOOOW! This is BEAUTIFULL! (with double L for emphasis)

when i saw this translation, i was wow, this is hebrew not english? It made me see that translation from hebrew to greek to latin to english, somethings were either omitted or not comprehended. The translation is from the hebrew root version.

frosbel:


Second MAN was YHWH from heaven ?

Wow, this is blasphemy.

YHWH is a Spirit , period, Jesus is a MAN , period.

Stop this Paganism.

on your authority, that is blasphemy? Hmm!

Mr anony: Brethren, why don't we end this nonsense once and for all.

Frosbel has claimed that Jesus did not exist before he was physically born

Jesus has answered by saying:

No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.(John 3:13)


Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and anyone who comes to me I will never drive away; for I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. (John 6:37-38)

......When many of his disciples heard it, they said, "This teaching is difficult; who can accept it?" But Jesus, being aware that his disciples were complaining about it, said to them, "Does this offend you? Then what if you were to see [size=14pt]the Son of Man ascending to where he was before[/size]? (John 6:60-62)

The above words of Jesus Christ himself are explicitly clear and unambiguous.

#CaseClosed

i concur wit dat.

hisblud: i concur wit dat.

Did you in all your shaking of your head to accepting the truth anony wrote down discover that Jesus isn't Yahweh(who's will Jesus was to do and not his own will)??.....

shdemidemi:

I believe the defendant of the thread is not with the scripture with this one, we don't have to crucify the brother. We should gently call him to order while we end the thread for good.

My dear brother, my bible teaches me that if anyone goes astray, I should lovingly call him back to truth and admonish him. But after the first and second admonition and he still refuses to repent, I am to wash my hands off him and regard him as the sinner he is.

There was a time when I called out to frosbel to repent. I called out to him as a brother to examine scripture with me and turn back to the Lord but he has continued down the part of destruction.

Now all that is left for me is to expose his heresies for all to see so that he doesn't drag down any of God's people into the pit with him. I still hope and pray that he will repent and escape from the judgment of God's wrath.


Notice that he didn't respond to my post above where I have shown through scripture the words of Jesus Christ totally debunking his false teaching. Rather than repent, he'll ignore it and and like a dog returning to it's vomit he'll open a thread another day to claim the same nonsense all over again.

hisblud: when i saw this translation, i was wow, this is hebrew not english? It made me see that translation from hebrew to greek to latin to english, somethings were either omitted or not comprehended. The translation is from the hebrew root version.

Lo and behold this Yahweh who decsended didn't know the day and hour when he would return but someone else knew..........

You guys don't know how foolish y'all look when you just quote scriptures without understanding them....

Now can you kindly string out the word that should make that rendering fix YHWH in that verse??....

Is the tetragrammaton present or is it a reference to YHWH coming to earth as man whom no one can see and hath seen??....

Small time na ona go run around dey quote phillipians 2:5-6 saying Jesus dropped his divinity and came to the earth,....

Here are the same double mouthed persons pressing that YHWH was a man who died.......

Rubbish.....

ijawkid:

Lo and behold this Yahweh who decsended didn't know the day and hour when he would return but someone else knew..........

You guys don't know how foolish y'all look when you just quote scriptures without understanding them....

Now can you kindly string out the word that should make that rendering fix YHWH in that verse??....

Is the tetragrammaton present or is it a reference to YHWH coming to earth as man whom no one can see and hath seen??....

Small time na ona go run around dey quote phillipians 2:5-6 saying Jesus dropped his divinity and came to the earth,....

Here are the same double mouthed persons pressing that YHWH was a man who died.......

Rubbish.....

Lol, sometimes I really feel sorry for you lot and all the scripture you have to diligently deny in order to keep your false doctrine afloat.

Mr anony:
Lol, sometimes I really feel sorry for you lot and all the scripture you have to diligently deny in order to keep your false doctrine afloat.

Deny what!!...

Now you are happy that hisblud dug out the HRV which I'm still struggling to find the next verse online........

Now you just agreed that Yahweh came from heaven......

Oya just tell us why Yahweh who is Yahweh himself did not know when the world would end....

Don't quote phillipians anymore.....Yahweh came to the earth as a man by your conclusion..........

You guys don't even understand the gravity of your assertions.......

Nonsense!!!!!!.........

Please tell hisblud to quote the next verse from the HRV and let's see....

Mr anony:
My dear brother, my bible teaches me that if anyone goes astray, I should lovingly call him back to truth and admonish him. But after the first and second admonition and he still refuses to repent, I am to wash my hands off him and regard him as the sinner he is.

There was a time when I called out to frosbel to repent. I called out to him as a brother to examine scripture with me and turn back to the Lord but he has continued down the part of destruction.

Now all that is left for me is to expose his heresies for all to see so that he doesn't drag down any of God's people into the pit with him. I still hope and pray that he will repent and escape from the judgment of God's wrath.


Notice that he didn't respond to my post above where I have shown through scripture the words of Jesus Christ totally debunking his false teaching. Rather than repent, he'll ignore it and and like a dog returning to it's vomit he'll open a thread another day to claim the same nonsense all over again.

Look at this hypocrite who is immersed into false doctrine asking me to repent , lol.

Remove the LOG from your Pharisee eyes before you see clearly to remove the speck in the eyes of others.