Mr anony:
Lol, this is very simple.
1. Can God humble Himself? Yes He can. Why?
1a. If He can't humble Himself then He is demanding from man something that is beyond His ability and therefore cannot be God.
1b. If He can humble Himself, then He can indeed take upon Himself the form of a man and to do that He'll have to let go of some of His God privileges.

Please can you list out the God priviledges that this GOD of yours abandoned in heaven??........

If I can remember well his knowledge was not amongst the list of things my bro.....

This same Jesus had the ability to read the minds of people......

Jesus remained the Jesus he was....the only change was that he wasn't a spirit but was flesh and blood......

Jesus was well aware of who he was and where he came from and so had his memory and his knowledge of what ever he knew before descending intact............

Mr anony:

2. Does God have infinite love? Yes He does. How?
2a. If God is monadic in nature, then before creation, there was no other person to love because love can only exist in a relationship between persons. It would only be possible for God to love after creation and hence God would have to learn to love and therefore cannot be said to be omniscient.
2b. If God is Trinity, then Love can easily exist eternally in the Godhead i.e. God is Love

Now this is your theory bro.......

Lmao.....anony the philosopher.......na ya type them propound trinity.......

Now for your info God created this Jesus we are talking about and loved him.......

And what do you understand by Godhead....don't tell me you are that cheap to be talking about Godhead as if it is a 3 way in manifold that accomodates 3 persons......

Mr anony:

Now if he second Person of the Trinity (the Son) gives up His God privileges and takes the form of flesh, it is perfectly easy to see how He (Christ) won't know what the Father knows while He remains in the flesh. However this doesn't contradict the fact that God knows all things.

And this is your philosophy.........

No biblical basis for the shit you just wrote........


Kindly open just a verse that says there is trinity and also a second person of the trinity??......

Can you see your whole life has been basterdized with human philosophies.....

And may I put it to you that the Father nor the son nor who ever you choose to add does not belong to any Godhead......

It is your head that is telling you this and not the scriptures.....

Chei...........

And the one God remains the Father alone and not a combo of 2 other persons....

Mr anony:

The problem is that you conceive the Trinity as 3 Gods rather than 3 Persons of one God. Until you can understand that, you will find the scripture difficult. In fact it is impossible for salvation by grace through faith to happen if God is monadic in nature. The sacrifice of the life of a mere man simply cannot atone for sin

I can't undertand thrash....

All you wrote is arrant thrash.......

If you believe the persons making up your proposed Godhead are distinct persons and each of them God,then you have no choice but agree that you are enforcing 3 Gods on christianity........


No philosophy can drag you out of this mess you are in........

And talking about who could have reDeemed us from sin.....a perfect life was needed to balance that of adam.......and Jesus who is Gods firstborn was sent and not God himself coming down.......


If God came down we would die ehhh......

No one has seen God at anytime.....

Bidam: The bolded blew my mind,what a revelation !!!! God bless you abundantly sir!

Na philosophy your oga just write for there o if your brain no know...

Anony just declared that God is not one GOD.....

Clap for yourself and anony......

It is obvious I'm discussing with philosophers and not bible students.....

I think I heard that satan was arrogant and tried to overthrow God in heaven in a battle led by arch angel against the demons.
Now what was jesus' role in that scenario? Was he in existence then and what role did he play in the battle and was he mentioned in that scenario specifically?
When was the first biblical documentation of the contact between satan and jesus? Was it at the mountain during the 40 days prayer or in heaven before then?
Over to the christians here.

Mr anony:
Lol, this is very simple.
1. Can God humble Himself? Yes He can. Why?
1a. If He can't humble Himself then He is demanding from man something that is beyond His ability and therefore cannot be God.
1b. If He can humble Himself, then He can indeed take upon Himself the form of a man and to do that He'll have to let go of some of His God privileges.

2. Does God have infinite love? Yes He does. How?
2a. If God is monadic in nature, then before creation, there was no other person to love because love can only exist in a relationship between persons. It would only be possible for God to love after creation and hence God would have to learn to love and therefore cannot be said to be omniscient.
2b. If God is Trinity, then Love can easily exist eternally in the Godhead i.e. God is Love

Now if he second Person of the Trinity (the Son) gives up His God privileges and takes the form of flesh, it is perfectly easy to see how He (Christ) won't know what the Father knows while He remains in the flesh. However this doesn't contradict the fact that God knows all things.

The problem is that you conceive the Trinity as 3 Gods rather than 3 Persons of one God. Until you can understand that, you will find the scripture difficult. In fact it is impossible for salvation by grace through faith to happen if God is monadic in nature. The sacrifice of the life of a mere man simply cannot atone for sin

CLASSICAL answer WOW! i love the bolded response... you see now am learning how Jesus Christ will not know when the Father will restore all things to israel... ijawkid you seee, you are learning ko...God bless you all Trinitarians

Mee234:
ARE u sure this guy is not a Muslim masquerading as a Christian?

Hmm, am watching some youtube "Jesus vs mohammed" and muslims are monotheist....hmmm!

hisblud:

CLASSICAL answer WOW! i love the bolded response... you see now am learning how Jesus Christ will not know when the Father will restore all things to israel... ijawkid you seee, you are learning ko...God bless you all Trinitarians

You are just plain foolish..........

So you look at what anony wrote and run around happy......

Anony just gave a philosophical comment which has no bible backing.....

And you are the fool who just said some few comments ago that this Jesus is YHWH.....

Aren't you a confused mumu??......

Jesus simply stated.....I don't know......anony and co says no he knows,its just that being in flesh made him suffer from amnesia and could no longer know what he knew before he came down to the earth...

I spit on this thread......

Tufiakwa!!!!........

ijawkid:
Please can you list out the God priviledges that this GOD of yours abandoned in heaven??........

If I can remember well his knowledge was not amongst the list of things my bro.....

This same Jesus had the ability to read the minds of people......

Jesus remained the Jesus he was....the only change was that he wasn't a spirit but was flesh and blood......

Jesus was well aware of who he was and where he came from and so had his memory and his knowledge of what ever he knew before descending intact............


Now this is your theory bro.......

Lmao.....anony the philosopher.......na ya type them propound trinity.......

Now for your info God created this Jesus we are talking about and loved him.......

And what do you understand by Godhead....don't tell me you are that cheap to be talking about Godhead as if it is a 3 way in manifold that accomodates 3 persons......




And this is your philosophy.........

No biblical basis for the shit you just wrote........


Kindly open just a verse that says there is trinity and also a second person of the trinity??......

Can you see your whole life has been basterdized with human philosophies.....

And may I put it to you that the Father nor the son nor who ever you choose to add does not belong to any Godhead......

It is your head that is telling you this and not the scriptures.....

Chei...........

And the one God remains the Father alone and not a combo of 2 other persons....





I can't undertand thrash....

All you wrote is arrant thrash.......

If you believe the persons making up your proposed Godhead are distinct persons and each of them God,then you have no choice but agree that you are enforcing 3 Gods on christianity........


No philosophy can drag you out of this mess you are in........

And talking about who could have reDeemed us from sin.....a perfect life was needed to balance that of adam.......and Jesus who is Gods firstborn was sent and not God himself coming down.......


If God came down we would die ehhh......

No one has seen God at anytime.....

You know what, we have had this same discussion over and over and over again on this forum and today I don't have the time to go into another endless fruitless wild goose chase with you. I'll return to waiting for frosbel to respond to me. That's my main interest in this thread.

ijawkid:

Na philosophy your oga just write for there o if your brain no know...

Anony just declared that God is not one GOD.....

Clap for yourself and anony......

It is obvious I'm discussing with philosophers and not bible students.....

I have never said that God is not one God. I have only posed questions that should make you think and examine what your concept of God is. You are free to ignore them and stick to your dogma. I really can't be bothered anymore

ijawkid:
Please can you list out the God priviledges that this GOD of yours abandoned in heaven??........

If I can remember well his knowledge was not amongst the list of things my bro.....

This same Jesus had the ability to read the minds of people......

Jesus remained the Jesus he was....the only change was that he wasn't a spirit but was flesh and blood......

Jesus was well aware of who he was and where he came from and so had his memory and his knowledge of what ever he knew before descending intact............


Now this is your theory bro.......

Lmao.....anony the philosopher.......na ya type them propound trinity.......

Now for your info God created this Jesus we are talking about and loved him.......

And what do you understand by Godhead....don't tell me you are that cheap to be talking about Godhead as if it is a 3 way in manifold that accomodates 3 persons......




And this is your philosophy.........

No biblical basis for the shit you just wrote........


Kindly open just a verse that says there is trinity and also a second person of the trinity??......

Can you see your whole life has been basterdized with human philosophies.....

And may I put it to you that the Father nor the son nor who ever you choose to add does not belong to any Godhead......

It is your head that is telling you this and not the scriptures.....

Chei...........

And the one God remains the Father alone and not a combo of 2 other persons....





I can't undertand thrash....

All you wrote is arrant thrash.......

If you believe the persons making up your proposed Godhead are distinct persons and each of them God,then you have no choice but agree that you are enforcing 3 Gods on christianity........


No philosophy can drag you out of this mess you are in........

And talking about who could have reDeemed us from sin.....a perfect life was needed to balance that of adam.......and Jesus who is Gods firstborn was sent and not God himself coming down.......


If God came down we would die ehhh......

No one has seen God at anytime.....

Question what did Jesus Christ become after forfeiting the form of God according to Philippians 2?

ijawkid:

You are just plain foolish..........

So you look at what anony wrote and run around happy......

Anony just gave a philosophical comment which has no bible backing.....

And you are the fool who just said some few comments ago that this Jesus is YHWH.....

Aren't you a confused mumu??......

Jesus simply stated.....I don't know......anony and co says no he knows,its just that being in flesh made him suffer from amnesia and could no longer know what he knew before he came down to the earth...

I spit on this thread......

Tufiakwa!!!!........

Lol, insults are the first sign of irrationality you know. Go back home and think carefully about the scripture you claim to believe.

Mr anony:
You know what, we have had this same discussion over and over and over again on this forum and today I don't have the time to go into another endless fruitless wild goose chase with you. I'll return to waiting for frosbel to respond to me. That's my main interest in this thread.

You can keep your garbage to yourself......

A dogs vomit is worth paying attention to than to your twisted and satanic philosophy which you spew here........

Godhead(accomodating 3 persons) and trinity my foot.......

Meanwhile deepsight is waiting for you......

ijawkid:

You can keep your garbage to yourself......

A dogs vomit is worth paying attention to than to your twisted and satanic philosophy which you spew here........

Godhead(accomodating 3 persons) and trinity my foot.......

Meanwhile deepsight is waiting for you......

Deep Sight? where?

ijawkid:

You can keep your garbage to yourself......

A dogs vomit is worth paying attention to than to your twisted and satanic philosophy which you spew here........

Godhead(accomodating 3 persons) and trinity my foot.......

Meanwhile deepsight is waiting for you......

Is it a sign of been cornered ? ? ?? easy ko easy Jesus Is God!!!!

ijawkid:

You can keep your garbage to yourself......

A dogs vomit is worth paying attention to than to your twisted and satanic philosophy which you spew here........

Godhead(accomodating 3 persons) and trinity my foot.......

Meanwhile deepsight is waiting for you......

But 3 persons is 1 person, no ?

Mr anony:
Lol, insults are the first sign of irrationality you know. Go back home and think carefully about the scripture you claim to believe.

Oboy nothing dey to think about...if this is how you guys run around the truth with philosophies of men then you are all in trouble.......

John 17:4-5
4 I y glorified you on earth,
z having accomplished the work that you gave
me to do. 5 And now, Father, a glorify me in
your own presence with the glory b that I
had with you c before the world existed


This same Jesus who knew that he had something with the Father(he was in flesh when he made this statement up there) is the same Jesus you guys are claiming was ignorant of an information which only the Father knew because he was in flesh,

How are we to even trust Jesus' words at all if his being in flesh impaired his reasoning and the things he said..........

And may I ask for the last time...

Jesus knew the angels didn't know the day and hour(I wonder how he even knew that since he was flesh),,he knew he himself didn't know(which you guys are running away from),he said only the Father knows.....where is the supposed 3rd person of the Godhead or trinity in this all important scene??.......did the holy spirit know or did not know or did Jesus miss one person in the Godhead and in heaven as to this important information??.......




Oya please beg anony or maybe you can use some plato philosophy to run around this one.....

Rubbish!!!!....

frosbel:

But 3 persons is 1 person, no ?

Thay have all gone mad.....

3 persons....and these persons each are God,but they run back to say they are one God.......

Delusion at its peak....

hello ANTI TRINITY, check this out...

47 The first man was out of earth, earthy. The second Man was the Master YAHWEH out of Heaven.
(Gen. 2:7)

Hebraic roots bible with study notes

hisblud:

Is it a sign of been cornered ? ? ?? easy ko easy Jesus Is God!!!!

Jesus is which God??.......


Your God or whose God??...

ijawkid:

Thay have all gone mad.....

3 persons....and these persons each are God,but they run back to say they are one God.......

Delusion at its peak....

You no dey taya to argue?

ijawkid:

Jesus is which God??.......


Your God or whose God??...

Answer is

47 The first man was out of earth, earthy. The second Man was the Master YAHWEH out of Heaven.
(Gen. 2:7)

ijawkid:

Oboy nothing dey to think about...if this is how you guys run around the truth with philosophies of men then you are all in trouble.......

John 17:4-5
4 I y glorified you on earth,
z having accomplished the work that you gave
me to do. 5 And now, Father, a glorify me in
your own presence with the glory b that I
had with you c before the world existed


This same Jesus who knew that he had something with the Father(he was in flesh when he made this statement up there) is the same Jesus you guys are claiming was ignorant of an information which only the Father knew because he was in flesh,

How are we to even trust Jesus' words at all if his being in flesh impaired his reasoning and the things he said..........

And may I ask for the last time...

Jesus knew the angels didn't know the day and hour(I wonder how he even knew that since he was flesh),,he knew he himself didn't know(which you guys are running away from),he said only the Father knows.....where is the supposed 3rd person of the Godhead or trinity in this all important scene??.......did the holy spirit know or did not know or did Jesus miss one person in the Godhead and in heaven as to this important information??.......




Oya please beg anony or maybe you can use some plato philosophy to run around this one.....

Rubbish!!!!....

First question you need to answer: Do you believe that God is omniscient? Yes or no.

The reason I'm asking the above is because if yes then we can proceed, if no then you would have no basis to argue about what the Son didn't know.


P/s: I am sure frosbel is happy to have his thread derailed because it allows him to escape without answering the questions posed to him.

ijawkid:

Na philosophy your oga just write for there o if your brain no know...

Anony just declared that God is not one GOD.....

Clap for yourself and anony......

It is obvious I'm discussing with philosophers and not bible students.....

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Oh and may I also engage in philosophy and mathematics with my deluded brothers........

1 God splits himself into 3......

One third of this one God comes to earth(becomes flesh),two third stays back in heaven....meaning once upon a time God was no longer a complete GOD but one third/Two third......then I wonder who everybody,including this proposed one third of God was worshipping.....they were all worshipping an incomplete God(two third if not one third of God)

So one wonders how even a one third of this God would have exclusive knowledge that another one third does not even know about .......

Or why should any of them even know more than the other at any given point in time when they are not complete........neither of these divided parts of GOD should have complete knowledge while the other remains ignorant....never!!!!....

And the funny part is the last one third of this GOD was not even mentioned as to wether he knows about this secret or not.........

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This is what the trinity can do to sane people............

frosbel:

But 3 persons is 1 person, no ?

Don't derail your thread now.

I am still awaiting your response to this:
https://www.nairaland.com/1321883/did-jesus-preexist-birth-honeychild/6#16527706

ijawkid: Oh and may I also engage in philosophy and mathematics with my deluded brothers........

1 God splits himself into 3......

One third of this one God comes to earth(becomes flesh),two third stays back in heaven....meaning once upon a time God was no longer a complete GOD but one third/Two third......then I wonder who everybody,including this proposed one third of God was worshipping.....they were all worshipping an incomplete God(two third if not one third of God)

So one wonders how even a one third of this God would have exclusive knowledge that another one third does not even know about .......

Or why should any of them even know more than the other at any given point in time when they are not complete........neither of these divided parts of GOD should have complete knowledge while the other remains ignorant....never!!!!....

And the funny part is the last one third of this GOD was not even mentioned as to wether he knows about this secret or not.........

.




.......

This is what the trinity can do to sane people............

This just shows your ignorance of God's nature

Bidam: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

My brother what you are supporting is mere philosophy and has nothing to do with Gods spirit. Revealing truths.........


This is absolute philosophy of men....

If you can't see it then steven wonder is way better than you...

IjawKid

Have not found out where i got that translation from, guess you need to dump google then and use one of the metasearch engines to locate that translation lol.

As you search let me post one more for you...

Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. KJV

Philippians 2
5 And think in your nefeshot that which also Yeshua the Messiah [thought],
6 Who as he was in the likeness of Eloah did not consider it presumptuous to be an equal of Eloah?
7 But he emptied his nefesh, and took on the likeness of a servant, and was in the likeness of the sons of men and was found in fashion like a son of man.
8 And he humbled his nefesh and became obedient unto death, even the death of the gallows.
9 Because of this, Eloah also highly exalted him, and gave him a name which is greater than all names,
1O That at the name of Yeshua every knee will bow that is in heaven and on earth and that is under the earth,
[size=15pt]11 And every tongue will confess that Yeshua the Messiah is YHWH, to the glory of Eloah his Father.[/size] HRV

Mr anony:
First question you need to answer: Do you believe that God is omniscient? Yes or no.

The reason I'm asking the above is because if yes then we can proceed, if no then you would have no basis to argue about what the Son didn't know.


P/s: I am sure frosbel is happy to have his thread derailed because it allows him to escape without answering the questions posed to him.

Your comment is off the hook my bro...

You have already refuted God as one God......

You just refuted God as not monadic...

Your teachn is what the scriptures describes as philosophies of men.......


And please did the holy spirit know the day and hour at that point Jesus was playing ignorant??.......

Mr anony:
This just shows your ignorance of God's nature

.......

Tell me my maths doesn't fit your pseudo knowledge of who the one God is??.......

hisblud: IjawKid

Have not found out where i got that translation from, guess you need to dump google then and use one of the metasearch engines to locate that translation lol.

As you search let me post one more for you...
[/b]

Ok this your new rendering fixes just about anywhere Lord is mentioned as YHWH....

Please the part on blue says this YHWH has a Father.......

Has that not totally debunked your running around.......

Is YHWH suppose to have a Father at all??.....

.......

Hello IjawKid

Another one for you

1 Corinthians 8
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. KJV

1 Corinthians 8
6 But to ourselves, [there] is one Eloah, the father, from whom [are] all [things] and by whom we are, [size=15pt]and one YHWH, Yeshua the Messiah; by his hand [are] all [things] and by his hand we are also. HRV[/size]

ijawkid:

Ok this your new rendering fixes just about anywhere Lord is mentioned as YHWH....

Please the part on blue says this YHWH has a Father.......

Has that not totally debunked your running around.......

Is YHWH suppose to have a Father at all??.....

.......

If the bible says so, must i use my limited mind to interprete it to fit my limited mind? No