Joshthefirst: ^^^
No. Man lost control and sin took over.
God gave man dominion.





I never knew you were aan atheist sir. When did you become one?

Apparently Man did not create nor control the universe, Man never had the architectural vision for the Universe, neither did he plan evil into it, therefore man isn't the Creator to question for the Evil in the Universe!

@Ola,

Man does not cause death nor hurricanes nor earthquakes etc, hence they are beyond Man.

Kay 17:

@Ola,

Man does not cause death nor hurricanes nor earthquakes etc, hence they are beyond Man.

Do you also believe that they are "Acts of God?"

A letter from an atheist:

"You are really convinced that you've got all the answers. You've really got yourself tricked into believing that you’re 100% right. Well, let me tell you just one thing. Do you consider yourself to be compassionate of other humans? If you’re right about God, as you say you are, and you believe that, then how can you sleep at night? When you speak with me, you are speaking with someone who you believe is walking directly into eternal damnation, into an endless onslaught of horrendous pain which your ‘loving’ god created, yet you stand by and do nothing."

"If you believed one bit that thousands every day were falling into an eternal and unchangeable fate, you should be running the streets mad with rage at their blindness. That’s equivalent to standing on a street corner and watching every person that passes you walk blindly directly into the path of a bus and die, yet you stand idly by and do nothing. You’re just twiddling your thumbs, happy in the knowledge that one day that ‘Walk’ signal will shine your way across the road."

"Think about it. Imagine the horrors hell must have in store if the Bible is true. You’re just going to allow that to happen and not care about saving anyone but yourself? If you’re right, then you’re an uncaring, unemotional and purely selfish (expletive) that has no right to talk about subjects such as love and caring."

I cannot sleep at night. I am horrified at the reality of Hell. Most nights each week for the last 30 years I have been getting up around midnight to pray for the unsaved. I have been "running the streets mad with rage at their blindness" for over 40 years. More than 5,000 times I have stood on a soapbox in the open air to plead with the lost, and I’m not the only one. Christians around the world fast, pray, preach and plead for the unsaved, and devote their lives to something this sinful world despises—warning them about the reality of Hell. - Ray Comfort.

Watch -> www.EvolutionVsGod.com

We can get a glimpse of the incredible mind of God simply by looking at His creation. Take one (very) small part—the mind of man: The brain is a soft lump of tissue weighing about 3 pounds. It is one of the most watery organs of the body, its outer tissue being 85% water. There is very little relationship between brain size and intelligence. Some very bright people have smaller brains than those who are less intelligent. The brain feels no pain because it has no pain receptors. It floats in fluid inside the skull, and the fluid (derived from blood) acts as a shock absorber. The brain stops growing in size at about age 15. Its surface is covered with folds. If it were laid out flat, the brain surface would cover two average student desks. The brain has four times as many nerve cells as there are people on Earth. With its 10 billion neurons, it can record 86 million bits of information each day of our lives. Supporting, protecting, and nourishing t...hese 10 billion neurons are 100 billion glia cells, which make up half the mass of the brain.

Let’s now look to the heavens: “They defined the exact shape of the closest major galaxy, a beautiful spiral named Andromeda, containing more than 300 billion stars. The nearest of these is (an incredible) thirteen Quintilian (13,000,000,000,000,000,000) miles, or 2.2 million light-years, beyond the Milky Way, a distance calculated by comparing the star’s apparent brightness with a star of similar brightness and known distance from Earth. And beyond Andromeda lay billions of other galaxies.”

The incredible complexity of the human brain and the vastness of the heavens speak of the awesome power of the Creator’s mind, and together "declare the glory of God" (Psalm 19:1).

Watch -> www.EvolutionVsGod.com

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You always manage to throw us off track, the main gist for now is why there is Evil in the world today. Man obviously has no power to cause/create grand scale disasters, Death, diseases. The buck lies at the feet of the Creator. So you can't run around and begin to claim the goodness of God, when his purported Creation doesn't support such claim.

Kay 17: ^^

You always manage to throw us off track, the main gist for now is why there is Evil in the world today. Man obviously has no power to cause/create grand scale disasters, Death, diseases. The buck lies at the feet of the Creator. So you can't run around and begin to claim the goodness of God, when his purported Creation doesn't support such claim.

I had posted earlier that the Bible tells us that God cursed the earth because of Adam's transgression.

Evidence of Design

OLAADEGBU:

When I look at a building, how do I know that there was a builder? I can’t see him, hear him, touch, taste, or smell him. Of course, the building is proof that there was a builder. In fact, I couldn't want better evidence that there was a builder than to have the building in front of me. I don’t need “faith” to know that there was a builder. All I need is eyes that can see and a brain that works.

Likewise, when I look at a painting, how can I know that there was a painter? Again, the painting is proof positive that there was a painter. I don’t need “faith” to believe in a painter because I can see the clear evidence. The same principle applies with the existence of God. When I look at creation, how can I know that the Creator exists? I can’t see Him, hear Him, touch Him, taste Him, or smell Him. How can I know that He exists? Why, creation shows me His existence. I couldn't want better proof that God exists than to have the creation in front of me. I don’t need faith to believe in a Creator; all I need is eyes that can see and a brain that works:

“For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

If, however, I want the builder to do something for me, then I need to have faith in him. The same applies to God: “Without faith it is impossible to please Him: for He that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6).

You have your brain to know He exists but you need faith if you are to have fellowship with Him.

Watch "Evolution Vs God" -> www.evolutionvsGod.com

OLAADEGBU:

I had posted earlier that the Bible tells us that God cursed the earth because of Adam's transgression.

Hence God created and is directly responsible for all the Evils and sufferings we experience not the Devil, right?

Kay 17:

Hence God created and is directly responsible for all the Evils and sufferings we experience not the Devil, right?

Maybe you should go back to read the posts that answer your questions, like the one below:

OLAADEGBU:

Did God blow it when He created humanity? What sort of tyrant must our Creator be if this was His master plan?

Sadly, many use the issue of suffering as an excuse to reject any thought of God, when its existence is the very reason we should accept Him. Suffering stands as terrible testimony to the truth of the explanation given by the Word of God.

But how can we know that the Bible is true?--simply by studying the prophecies of Matthew 24, Luke 21, and 2 Timothy 3. A few minutes of openhearted inspection will convince any honest skeptic that this is no ordinary book. It is the supernatural testament of our Creator about why there is suffering...and what we can do about it.

The Bible tells us that God cursed the earth because of Adam’s transgression. Weeds are a curse. So is disease. Sin and suffering cannot be separated. The Scriptures inform us that we live in a fallen creation. In the beginning, God created man perfect, and he lived in a perfect world without suffering. It was Heaven on earth. When sin came into the world, death and misery came with it.

Those who understand the message of Holy Scripture eagerly await a new heavens and a new earth "wherein dwells righteousness." In that coming Kingdom there will be no more pain, suffering, disease, or death. We are told that no eye has ever seen, nor has any ear heard, neither has any man’s mind ever imagined the wonderful things that God has in store for those who love Him (see 1 Corinthians 2:9). Think for a moment what it would be like if food grew with the fervour of weeds. Consider how wonderful it would be if the deserts became incredibly fertile, if creation stopped devouring humanity. Imagine if the weather worked for us instead of against us, if disease completely disappeared, if pain was a thing of the past, if death was no more.

The dilemma is that we are like a child whose insatiable appetite for chocolate has caused his face to break out with ugly sores. He looks in the mirror and sees a sight that makes him depressed. But instead of giving up his beloved chocolate, he consoles himself by stuffing more into his mouth. Yet, the source of his pleasure is actually the cause of his suffering.

The whole face of the earth is nothing but ugly sores of suffering. Everywhere we look we see unspeakable pain. But instead of believing God’s explanation and asking Him to forgive us and change our appetite, we run deeper into sin’s sweet embrace. There we find solace in its temporal pleasures, thus intensifying our pain, both in this life and in the life to come. From, The Evidence Bible --> http:///1bEnd2s

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Woooooooww bless God!

Yes. Our hope is sure and stedfast in Christ Jesus. We already see the reality of God's life in us as we walk in godliness, we see it now. We'll see it in the world to come.

Blessed be the name of the lord.

Joshthefirst: ^^^
Woooooooww bless God!

Yes. Our hope is sure and stedfast in Christ Jesus. We already see the reality of God's life in us as we walk in godliness, we see it now. We'll see it in the world to come.

Blessed be the name of the lord.

mumu

Ola clearly from your post, God is the Cause of the Suffferings and Evils in the World! God cursed and destroyed earth based on the disobedience of one man, why should we believe his promises?! Why accept his campaigns for a greener better future?!

On the transgression of one man, he condemned the world and the unborn. Justice indeed!

It is similar to bargaining with the devil!

Those who deny the fact that God is angry at sin insinuate that sinful man (with his measure of desire to see justice) is more just than God. This is an incredible affront to the integrity of God. The following Time magazine letter to the editor epitomizes idolatry (the oldest sin in the Book):

"Excellent topic! I truly enjoyed reading ‘Does Heaven Exist?’ I am a devout Christian, and I don’t give much thought to heaven. My spirituality isn't based on an anthropomorphic, kick$*!@ God who will throw four generations of children into eternal damnation because some distant forefather ticked him off [see Proverbs 28:5]. Heaven is the flip side of the absolutely barbaric notion of hell that evolved under that kick-butt mindset…To me, God is a symbol for something unfathomable, an utter mystery that fills my heart with joy and my spirit with song."

It's hard to believe that some people believe that evolution gave us two feet, two hands, two eyes, and two ears. Those who do believe that, believe that all that is necessary to make the unbelievable believable, is the magic of time. They believe that time-did-it. All things are possible to those who believe.

Watch -> www.EvolutionVsGod.com

Kay 17:

Ola clearly from your post, God is the Cause of the Suffferings and Evils in the World! God cursed and destroyed earth based on the disobedience of one man, why should we believe his promises?! Why accept his campaigns for a greener better future?!

On the transgression of one man, he condemned the world and the unborn. Justice indeed!

It is similar to bargaining with the devil!

Sufferings and evil came into the world because of sin, which was Adam's choice to disobey God. God is holy, He hates sin and the punishment for sin is death.

God had a wonderful plan to save sinners from everlasting death through our Lord Jesus Christ who took the punishment for all the sin of everyone who will believe in Him even though He didn't commit any sin.

Jesus' life, crucifixion, death and resurrection shows how great God's love for us is so that we could be saved to the glory of God. By creating Adam and Eve, God created beings to whom He could show His attributes of love, mercy etc. So that we can exist and spend eternity with our Creator.

OLAADEGBU:
Those who deny the fact that God is angry at sin insinuate that sinful man (with his measure of desire to see justice) is more just than God. This is an incredible affront to the integrity of God. The following Time magazine letter to the editor epitomizes idolatry (the oldest sin in the Book):

"Excellent topic! I truly enjoyed reading ‘Does Heaven Exist?’ I am a devout Christian, and I don’t give much thought to heaven. My spirituality isn't based on an anthropomorphic, kick$*!@ God who will throw four generations of children into eternal damnation because some distant forefather ticked him off [see Proverbs 28:5]. Heaven is the flip side of the absolutely barbaric notion of hell that evolved under that kick-butt mindset…To me, God is a symbol for something unfathomable, an utter mystery that fills my heart with joy and my spirit with song."

Regardless God's motives, to inflict sufferings and evil on the whole world without cause is unjust. The Christian God can not claim to be in the interest of salvation.

The most innocent humans: babies suffer from Evil, innocent ppl suffer from the lack of justice, the world is torn apart by the few agents of destruction. Over 40 million people died from a war that wasn't their fault.

Oladeegbu, God punishes regardless to cause.

Kay 17:

Regardless God's motives, to inflict sufferings and evil on the whole world without cause is unjust. The Christian God can not claim to be in the interest of salvation.

The most innocent humans: babies suffer from Evil, innocent ppl suffer from the lack of justice, the world is torn apart by the few agents of destruction. Over 40 million people died from a war that wasn't their fault.

Oladeegbu, God punishes regardless to cause.

Let me put it into proper perspective to you. Mosquitoes are known to have killed more people than those killed in world wars, how about that?

OLAADEGBU:

Let me put it into proper perspective to you. Mosquitoes are known to have killed more people than those killed in world wars, how about that?

Why is that so?!!!

OLAADEGBU:

Let me put it into proper perspective to you. Mosquitoes are known to have killed more people than those killed in world wars, how about that?

what an evil god... creating mosquitoes to kill people...

ooman:

i already believe the Flying Pig is alive around me, and i have already put on the Flying Pig, i have no room for your dead man...

An atheist (in answer to a parachute analogy) said, "Except that planes and parachutes are real and God and the afterlife are not."

The truth is that you don't know if there is an afterlife. For this God-less world it’s the biggest of mysteries. But the Christian knows what happens when we die. We know because we have it from the highest Authority on this earth—God’s Word. It tells us that death is an appointment, and that after death we must face God in Judgment. That will be a fearful thing if you don’t have a Saviour. Every day more than 150,000 people die. Please seek God today. Every argument you have will be dismissed the moment you come to know Him. Take a few moments to humbly check out:

www.needGod.com

ooman:

what an evil god... creating mosquitoes to kill people...

"Many people think they can break the Ten Commandments right and left and get by with it. That reminds me of the whimsical story of the man who jumped off the Empire State Building in New York City. As he went sailing by the fiftieth floor, a man looked out the window and said to him, ‘Well, how is it?’ The falling man replied, ‘So far, so good.’ That is not where the law of gravity enforces itself. Fifty more floors down and the man will find out, ‘So far, not so good.’ The interesting thing is that a law must be enforced to be a law and therefore God says in Ezekiel 18:4, ‘The soul that sins, it shall die.’ The Law must be enforced and the breaker of the Law must pay the penalty.” J. Vernon McGee

"There is no such thing as sin. Death is just a natural conclusion to life. I can't see any punishment in death. Actually, eternal life would be punishment." Bjarte Bjørkum

Your "eternal life would be punishment" sure shows the futile existence of the atheist. Christians greatly value every precious moment of life and we look forward to the next, when God's Kingdom comes to the earth. When that happens there will be no more pain, disease, suffering, death, earthquakes, tornadoes, etc. We will have Eden on Earth. Please join us: www.needGod.com

OLAADEGBU:

An atheist (in answer to a parachute analogy) said, "Except that planes and parachutes are real and God and the afterlife are not."

The truth is that you don't know if there is an afterlife. For this God-less world it’s the biggest of mysteries. But the Christian knows what happens when we die. We know because we have it from the highest Authority on this earth—God’s Word. It tells us that death is an appointment, and that after death we must face God in Judgment. That will be a fearful thing if you don’t have a Saviour. Every day more than 150,000 people die. Please seek God today. Every argument you have will be dismissed the moment you come to know Him. Take a few moments to humbly check out:

www.needGod.com

Ever heard of the fallacy called "appeal to authority"?
Do you seriously expect any logical minded person to believe what you wrote above, JUST because the bible says so?

What you're doing is like trying to explain something to someone, only that you're speaking Chinese and the other guy only understands English!

OLAADEGBU: "There is no such thing as sin. Death is just a natural conclusion to life. I can't see any punishment in death. Actually, eternal life would be punishment." Bjarte Bjørkum

Your "eternal life would be punishment" sure shows the futile existence of the atheist. Christians greatly value every precious moment of life and we look forward to the next, when God's Kingdom comes to the earth. When that happens there will be no more pain, disease, suffering, death, earthquakes, tornadoes, etc. We will have Eden on Earth. Please join us: www.needGod.com

In this "heaven on earth that you preach", will man retain the ability to reproduce? Did the bible make provisions for this?

Kay 17:

Why is that so?!!!

For the same reason I proffered earlier.

An atheist said, "I probably take most of Isaiah out of context because I just can't figure out which Bible verses to cherry pick. And because I find those particular Bible verses sick and disgusting and not evidence for an all loving God. But I'm weird that way."

This person isn't weird. He's normal. Idolatry is normal for human beings, and his atheism is rooted in idolatry. Richard Dawkins is an idolater. He has "another god" before the God of the Bible. He cherry-picked the harsh judgments of the God of the Old testament and created a monster devoid of any love or mercy, and then tossed away any thought of the god he created.

This atheist made up an “all loving god” and said that his made up-image is not found in Isaiah. Of course it’s not, because nowhere does the Bible say that God is “all loving.” He is love and He’s merciful, but He’s not so oozing with love that He has no sense of right and wrong. He is also just and holy, will “by no means clear the guilty,” and He is the One you have to face on the Day of Judgment, not the god of your imagination.

www.EvolutionVsGod.com

david_hume:

Ever heard of the fallacy called "appeal to authority"?
Do you seriously expect any logical minded person to believe what you wrote above, JUST because the bible says so?

What you're doing is like trying to explain something to someone, only that you're speaking Chinese and the other guy only understands English!

The Scriptures tell us that the "natural man" cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God. Most English people would find it difficult to understand the Chinese language. However, a child who is born into a Chinese family can understand every word. That's why you must be born again with God's Spirit living within you (John 3:3). The moment you become part of God's family, the Bible will begin to make sense.

"But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14). The Evidence Bible.

OLAADEGBU:

The Scriptures tell us that the "natural man" cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God. Most English people would find it difficult to understand the Chinese language. However, a child who is born into a Chinese family can understand every word. That's why you must be born again with God's Spirit living within you (John 3:3). The moment you become part of God's family, the Bible will begin to make sense.

"But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14). The Evidence Bible.

It is easier for you to explain to atheist than it is they you. you dey try

The atheist who says, "No proof, no proof, no proof," is willing to say that nothing created everything, which is a pretty big leap of faith. Not only that but they say life came from non-life and the life that came from non-life produced morals; again a pretty big leap of faith. You, on the other hand, are looking at the universe, and you are saying, quite evidentially, every design presupposes a designer. If you see a basketball, you presume there has to be a basketball maker. In the same sense, if you see the universe in its infinite complexity and beauty, you say there has to be a designer of that universe. In a Christian worldview, there are evidences then, that God created the universe, but not only so, the God who created the universe and left His finger prints there, also condescended to cloak Himself in human flesh. Jesus Christ is God manifested to the world. And we don’t believe in Jesus Christ through blind faith, but rather we believe in Jesus Christ through faith in evidence, which is to say, Christ demonstrated that He was God, not only through His miracles, but through His ultimate miracle the resurrection by which He laid down His life and took it up again. So there are many proofs that Jesus Christ is God in human flesh and that the Bible is God's master print for living our lives, that it is divine as opposed to merely human in origin. There are proofs, those proofs are evident in the Word of God, and those proofs are also evident in the world in which we live. ~ Hank Hanegraaff | http://www.equip.org/audio/how-can-i-show-atheists-proof-of-gods-existence/

voltron:

It is easier for you to explain to atheist than it is they you. you dey try

Godisnothing. Can you make any sense of what I wrote there by inserting spaces in the appropriate places?

OLAADEGBU:

Godisnothing. Can you make any sense of what I wrote there by inserting spaces in the appropriate places?

God is Nothing.. but this is easily explained by the experience gained from the Knowledge of English and the understanding of Consonants.. for someone without this Knowledge.. it is simply Meaningless

OLAADEGBU:

The Scriptures tell us that the "natural man" cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God. Most English people would find it difficult to understand the Chinese language. However, a child who is born into a Chinese family can understand every word. That's why you must be born again with God's Spirit living within you (John 3:3). The moment you become part of God's family, the Bible will begin to make sense.

"But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14). The Evidence Bible.

Yeah, you've made your point, a logical response is beyond you!

Good day sir!

voltron:

God is Nothing.. but this is easily explained by the experience gained from the Knowledge of English and the understanding of Consonants.. for someone without this Knowledge.. it is simply Meaningless

You could only read "God is Nothing" because of the atheist evolutionist glasses you use in viewing the evidence around you but those who put on biblical creationist glasses would read "God is no thing." Do you now see why I said that you need to change your glasses so as to see clearly?