ooman:

there are probably a billion and one empty tombs now that i believe are really empty, does that mean all the supposed dead in them are arisen

Don't be eristic. I said the empty tomb and not "an" empty tomb amongst other evidences presented. Did you get that?

OLAADEGBU:

Don't be eristic. I said the empty tomb and not "an" empty tomb amongst other evidences presented. Did you get that?

the empty tomb, an empty tomb, does that really prove the dead in it is risen?

what are the other evidences you claim of your risen zombie...

ooman:



the empty tomb, an empty tomb, does that really prove the dead in it is risen?

what are the other evidences you claim of your risen zombie...

You don't need to equivocate. If you can't spot the difference between "the" empty tomb and "a" empty tomb why do you think I have to waste my time giving you the details?

OLAADEGBU:

You don't need to equivocate. If you can't spot the difference between "the" empty tomb and "a" empty tomb why do you think I have to waste my time giving you the details?

thats an 'an' before 'empty'...now who needs details?

ooman:

thats an 'an' before 'empty'...now who needs details?

OK. Now spot the difference between an empty tomb and the empty tomb?

OLAADEGBU:

OK. Now spot the difference between an empty tomb and the empty tomb?

the later is specific, the former is general...nothing proves a risen zombie here

ooman:

the later is specific, the former is general...nothing proves a risen zombie here

Good boy. Now tell me, have you ever seen a risen dead zombie before?

OLAADEGBU:

Good boy. Now tell me, have you ever seen a risen dead zombie before?

risen, dead zombie??

ooman:

risen, dead zombie??

Ok. Undead zombies.

"This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being." - Sir Isaac Newton

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OLAADEGBU:

Ok. Undead zombies.

yep....in horror movies and i read about one in the bible....jesus, the undead zombie...

OLAADEGBU: "This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being." - Sir Isaac Newton

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and from what did this intelligent being come?

RationalDude: What's with all this freedom to sin brouhaha?
What exactly does sin mean?
Is something only a sin when it offends your god? (yes, i typed 'g' in lowercase, now shoot me)

Nobody will shoot you but one day something more than a shot will hit you for the rest of your life his name is demon. They will torment you day and night if you die without CHRIST

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The fact that God NEEDED to create is an attribute of imperfection.
To create is to bring about "change".
ANY sort of change to a perfect state of being is an embellishment.
Therefore, God is not a perfect entity to begin with.

david_hume:

The fact that God NEEDED to create is an attribute of imperfection.
To create is to bring about "change".
ANY sort of change to a perfect state of being is an embellishment.
Therefore, God is not a perfect entity to begin with.

what unscientific trash are you saying, havent you heard of stable (perfect) elements being broken up by gamma rays into unstable isotopes? pls dust up your basic chemistry. to add, God does not necessarily conform to attributes you (man)churn up, He exists in a realm different of ours. Just like a spider cannot comprehend eating with human dentition, any attempt to explain eating would only be done with the sematics of its understanding. Until any man, can explain how possible it is to be the begining and end at the same time, then you have caught God, if not keep trying, but i assure, twud be an effort in futility. GOD LIVES.

david_hume:

The fact that God NEEDED to create is an attribute of imperfection.
To create is to bring about "change".
ANY sort of change to a perfect state of being is an embellishment.
Therefore, God is not a perfect entity to begin with.

chai!
The foolishness of man...thinking themselves to be wise, they became fools.
Just to discredit God.


create
| Definition | Thesaurus |
cre·ate  (kr-t)
tr.v. cre·at·ed, cre·at·ing, cre·ates
1. To cause to exist; bring into being. See Synonyms at found1.
2. To give rise to; produce: That remark created a stir.

ooman:

and from what did this intelligent being come?

You never cease in asking this childish question. Can you once think outside creation?

God created you with an eyes to see but limits your vision to only physical things.

Do you think your limited brain can fully understand this God? In a thread "scientist talks about their faith" you're trying to say those born atheist later converted to Christian are deluded. Now if some atheist born scientist converted to christianity and some christian born person/a pastor later missed the road, why can't you ask yourself this simple and very deep heart searching question. Why is it so or what is the missing link? Think about it Bro.

Shalom!

Emusan:

You never cease in asking this childish question. Can you once think outside creation?

God created you with an eyes to see but limits your vision to only physical things.

Do you think your limited brain can fully understand this God? In a thread "scientist talks about their faith" you're trying to say those born atheist later converted to Christian are deluded. Now if some atheist born scientist converted to christianity and some christian born person/a pastor later missed the road, why can't you ask yourself this simple and very deep heart searching question. Why is it so or what is the missing link? Think about it Bro.

Shalom!

if your god created me to fellowship with him, then why cant my brain understand him? Isnt that the purpose of giving me a brain in the first place? To know him?

@Rhymeyjohn

Change:
verb (used with object)
1. to make the form, nature, content, future course, etc., of (something) different from what it is or from what it would be if left alone

By "causing to exist", God has altered the course of something, and made it different from what it would be if left alone.
If God was perfect, why embellish that perfection with creation?

david_hume: @Rhymeyjohn

Change:
verb (used with object)
1. to make the form, nature, content, future course, etc., of (something) different from what it is or from what it would be if left alone

By "causing to exist", God has altered the course of something, and made it different from what it would be if left alone.
If God was perfect, why embellish that perfection with creation?

'If left alone'
Do you know what it means to cause something to exist?
How would it be left alone if it didn't exist?

ooman:

if your god created me to fellowship with him, then why cant my brain understand him? Isnt that the purpose of giving me a brain in the first place? To know him?

When I look at a building, how do I know that there was a builder? I can’t see him, hear him, touch, taste, or smell him. Of course, the building is proof that there was a builder. In fact, I couldn't want better evidence that there was a builder than to have the building in front of me. I don’t need “faith” to know that there was a builder. All I need is eyes that can see and a brain that works.

Likewise, when I look at a painting, how can I know that there was a painter? Again, the painting is proof positive that there was a painter. I don’t need “faith” to believe in a painter because I can see the clear evidence. The same principle applies with the existence of God. When I look at creation, how can I know that the Creator exists? I can’t see Him, hear Him, touch Him, taste Him, or smell Him. How can I know that He exists? Why, creation shows me His existence. I couldn't want better proof that God exists than to have the creation in front of me. I don’t need faith to believe in a Creator; all I need is eyes that can see and a brain that works:

“For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

If, however, I want the builder to do something for me, then I need to have faith in him. The same applies to God: “Without faith it is impossible to please Him: for He that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6).

You have your brain to know He exists but you need faith if you are to have fellowship with Him.

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Joshthefirst:
'If left alone'
Do you know what it means to cause something to exist?
How would it be left alone if it didn't exist?

Dude, d issue is: why did God "NEED" to create if he(God) was already PERFECT to begin with.

david_hume:

Dude, d issue is: why did God "NEED" to create if he(God) was already PERFECT to begin with.

so creation is an act of imperfection?

Joshthefirst: so creation is an act of imperfection?

As i said earlier:
The fact that God NEEDED to create is an

attribute of imperfection.

To create is to bring about "change".

ANY sort of change to a perfect state of

being is an embellishment.

Therefore, God is not a perfect entity to begin with

david_hume:

As i said earlier:
The fact that God NEEDED to create is an

attribute of imperfection.

To create is to bring about "change".

ANY sort of change to a perfect state of

being is an embellishment.

Therefore, God is not a perfect entity to begin with

God extended his perfection to earth and made everything good

To create is to cause to exist.

Joshthefirst:
God extended his perfection to earth and made everything good

To create is to cause to exist.

Lmao
Yes, i can see his perfection in the exotically designed polio and rubella viruses, the poisonous scorpions, spiders and snakes, and most of all, the serenity of deadly hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes.

Isn't he worthy of praise...lolz

OLAADEGBU:

When I look at a building, how do I know that there was a builder? I can’t see him, hear him, touch, taste, or smell him. Of course, the building is proof that there was a builder. In fact, I couldn't want better evidence that there was a builder than to have the building in front of me. I don’t need “faith” to know that there was a builder. All I need is eyes that can see and a brain that works.

Likewise, when I look at a painting, how can I know that there was a painter? Again, the painting is proof positive that there was a painter. I don’t need “faith” to believe in a painter because I can see the clear evidence. The same principle applies with the existence of God. When I look at creation, how can I know that the Creator exists? I can’t see Him, hear Him, touch Him, taste Him, or smell Him. How can I know that He exists? Why, creation shows me His existence. I couldn't want better proof that God exists than to have the creation in front of me. I don’t need faith to believe in a Creator; all I need is eyes that can see and a brain that works:

“For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

If, however, I want the builder to do something for me, then I need to have faith in him. The same applies to God: “Without faith it is impossible to please Him: for He that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6).

You have your brain to know He exists but you need faith if you are to have fellowship with Him.

Watch "Evolution Vs God" -> www.evolutionvsGod.com

What anology! Simple, precise and direct. This explaination has answered the obscuirity that surround the existence of God. As usual, i expect the athiest in their usual ring maron(going round the circle) to come up with a defence, but it with foolhardy for anyone to put up a fight in a face of such overwhelming evidence such as this. Once again OLA, God bless you for consistenly helping to purge them from whatever hatred they have of God. I am enlightened. God be praise.

david_hume:

Lmao
Yes, i can see his perfection in the exotically designed polio and rubella viruses, the poisonous scorpions, spiders and snakes, and most of all, the serenity of deadly hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes.

Isn't he worthy of praise...lolz

you're missing something mehn. Smh.

david_hume:

As i said earlier:
The fact that God NEEDED to create is an

attribute of imperfection.

To create is to bring about "change".

ANY sort of change to a perfect state of

being is an embellishment.

Therefore, God is not a perfect entity to begin with

Thank God you're wrong.

An atheist wrote: "Strong circumstantial evidence that there is no god. Number of god's creations who died horrible deaths from the following diseases: (or did they all die as martyrs?)

1. 300,000,000 approx. Smallpox
2. 200,000,000? Measles
3. 100,000,000 approx. Black Death
4. 80,000,000-250,000,000 Malaria
5. 50,000,000-100,000,000 Spanish Flu
6. 40,000,000-100,000,000 Plague of Justinian
7. 40,000,000-100,000,000 Tuberculosis
8. 30,000,000[13] AIDS pandemic
9. 12,000,000 ? Third Pandemic of Bubonic Plague
10. 5,000,000 Antonine Plague
11. 4,000,000 Asian Flu
12. 250,000 or more annually Seasonal influenza."

Ray replied: The number of people who are now living that will eventually die. Every one of the seven billion. That's more than strong circumstantial evidence that God means what He says is His Word: "The souls that sins, it shall die," "It is appointed to man once to die. After this, the Judgment." Pain, suffering, disease and death are stark proofs that the Bible is the Word of God when it says we live in a "fallen" creation.

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OLAADEGBU:

Thank God you're wrong.

Reason is not automatic, those who deny it cannot be conquered by it-- Ayn Rand

Without the Law of God (the Ten Commandments) humanity predictably strays into "idolatry" (atheism is a form of idolatry). The First of the Ten Commandments addresses this with "I am The Lord your God. You shall have no other God's before Me." When Israel waited at the foot of Mount Sinai for Moses to receive that Law, like a car with a blowout of a front tire at 70 MPH, they veered off the right path into idolatry, and the immediate result was that they took their clothes off and partied. Thus we have Law-less modern America. They have lost sight of the moral Law, have predictably taken off their clothes and partied. If we believe that there's no Law, then there's no morality. However the Law was written in stone for a reason. It's permanent. It will be the unwavering standard of judgment on Judgment Day (see Romans 2:12, James 2:12) and will justly damn those who transgress its perfect precepts.

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