OLAADEGBU: Without the Law of God (the Ten Commandments) humanity predictably strays into "idolatry" (atheism is a form of idolatry). The First of the Ten Commandments addresses this with "I am The Lord your God. You shall have no other God's before Me." When Israel waited at the foot of Mount Sinai for Moses to receive that Law, like a car with a blowout of a front tire at 70 MPH, they veered off the right path into idolatry, and the immediate result was that they took their clothes off and partied. Thus we have Law-less modern America. They have lost sight of the moral Law, have predictably taken off their clothes and partied. If we believe that there's no Law, then there's no morality. However the Law was written in stone for a reason. It's permanent. It will be the unwavering standard of judgment on Judgment Day (see Romans 2:12, James 2:12) and will justly damn those who transgress its perfect precepts.

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God in creating the 1st Commandment does not rely on a pre existing moral norm rather creates a new moral order entirely based on his Will! Hence there is no natural conviction that the 1st commandment is indeed a moral rule that applies to all humans.


2. The 10 Commandments are primitive and naïve laws. Why? It fails to understand that the intentions, motives behind actions are the true roots of an action and against such morality be weighed. Evidently there are scenarios where the 10 Commandments would appear unjust and unfair.

Examples:

Self defence as against "thou shall not kill"

Diplomats that lied and stole to save Jews from the Holocaust, also by disobeying their home countries.

Abraham lying to the Pharoah to save his life etc!

OLAADEGBU: An atheist wrote: "Strong circumstantial evidence that there is no god. Number of god's creations who died horrible deaths from the following diseases: (or did they all die as martyrs?)

1. 300,000,000 approx. Smallpox
2. 200,000,000? Measles
3. 100,000,000 approx. Black Death
4. 80,000,000-250,000,000 Malaria
5. 50,000,000-100,000,000 Spanish Flu
6. 40,000,000-100,000,000 Plague of Justinian
7. 40,000,000-100,000,000 Tuberculosis
8. 30,000,000[13] AIDS pandemic
9. 12,000,000 ? Third Pandemic of Bubonic Plague
10. 5,000,000 Antonine Plague
11. 4,000,000 Asian Flu
12. 250,000 or more annually Seasonal influenza."

Ray replied: The number of people who are now living that will eventually die. Every one of the seven billion. That's more than strong circumstantial evidence that God means what He says is His Word: "The souls that sins, it shall die," "It is appointed to man once to die. After this, the Judgment." Pain, suffering, disease and death are stark proofs that the Bible is the Word of God when it says we live in a "fallen" creation.

Watch "Evolution Vs God" Free -> www.EvolutionVsGod.com

However it begs the question - a question you cannot answer - why all these evils in the first place? Except Evil is a shadow of God.

Emusan:

You never cease in asking this childish question. Can you once think outside creation?

God created you with an eyes to see but limits your vision to only physical things.

Do you think your limited brain can fully understand this God? In a thread "scientist talks about their faith" you're trying to say those born atheist later converted to Christian are deluded. Now if some atheist born scientist converted to christianity and some christian born person/a pastor later missed the road, why can't you ask yourself this simple and very deep heart searching question. Why is it so or what is the missing link? Think about it Bro.

Shalom!

This is sufficient admission that you don't understand God because he is beyond your comprehension. Very fatal for you, because you are misdirected by your lack of comprehension of God and your proofs for God's existence are nothing!

OLAADEGBU:

When I look at a building, how do I know that there was a builder? I can’t see him, hear him, touch, taste, or smell him. Of course, the building is proof that there was a builder. In fact, I couldn't want better evidence that there was a builder than to have the building in front of me. I don’t need “faith” to know that there was a builder. All I need is eyes that can see and a brain that works.

Likewise, when I look at a painting, how can I know that there was a painter? Again, the painting is proof positive that there was a painter. I don’t need “faith” to believe in a painter because I can see the clear evidence. The same principle applies with the existence of God. When I look at creation, how can I know that the Creator exists? I can’t see Him, hear Him, touch Him, taste Him, or smell Him. How can I know that He exists? Why, creation shows me His existence. I couldn't want better proof that God exists than to have the creation in front of me. I don’t need faith to believe in a Creator; all I need is eyes that can see and a brain that works:

“For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

If, however, I want the builder to do something for me, then I need to have faith in him. The same applies to God: “Without faith it is impossible to please Him: for He that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6).

You have your brain to know He exists but you need faith if you are to have fellowship with Him.

Watch "Evolution Vs God" -> www.evolutionvsGod.com

As I have always said, complexity itself suggests a cause. A builder's complex mind conceives and creates a building, thereby the building is reflective of the mind. Same as God's mind in the creation of the complex Universe, it requires a creator too. However if you can conceive God's mind without a creator, so also the Universe.

"God is what we make 'him' or 'her' which is why we have too many religions and ideas of what God should be. If there really was one God that existed somewhere in heaven, Man would not be living in this state of confusion and it would mean a world with one religion and one ideology.

Kay 17:

However it begs the question - a question you cannot answer - why all these evils in the first place? Except Evil is a shadow of God.

Typical questions of atheist wannabes.

"Why would a perfect God make a Hell in the first place? Why are His creations imperfect unless He deliberately made them so? Why make rules that are pretty much impossible to live up to then punish the creations for being simply the way they were 'created'? If there is a God [He] is not the loving creator that most christians say they believe in, it is at best a tinkerer, a trickster and a child who breaks his toys when he does not get his own way." Patricia Bentley-Ivens

If a dying patient turns off his own oxygen hose he shouldn't complain that he can't breathe. The Book of Genesis tells us that God made everything "very good" in the beginning, but sin brought about suffering, pain, disease and death in what is called a "fallen Creation." But the dying atheist denies that Genesis chapter one is true (that we live in a "fallen creation" because of sin), and so he bitterly complains about God allowing suffering, pain, disease and death. Hell is God's prison for guilty criminals. Calling Him childish names will not save you from His Justice, but repentance and faith in Jesus will. See www.needGod.com

Kay 17:

God in creating the 1st Commandment does not rely on a pre existing moral norm rather creates a new moral order entirely based on his Will! Hence there is no natural conviction that the 1st commandment is indeed a moral rule that applies to all humans.


2. The 10 Commandments are primitive and naïve laws. Why? It fails to understand that the intentions, motives behind actions are the true roots of an action and against such morality be weighed. Evidently there are scenarios where the 10 Commandments would appear unjust and unfair.

Examples:

Self defence as against "thou shall not kill"

Diplomats that lied and stole to save Jews from the Holocaust, also by disobeying their home countries.

Abraham lying to the Pharoah to save his life etc!

Donald Robson Said: "A Christian does a good deed so that he can get into Heaven. An atheist does a good deed."

Ray Answers: The belief that anyone can do anything to get into Heaven is arguably the greatest of all errors. This mistake is made because of what the Bible calls a "lack of knowledge." Here's your missing knowledge. God is a judge. We are criminals in His eyes, and the best of us have violated His moral Law a multitude of times. He considers lust to be adultery, hatred to be murder, sees our thought life and will even hold us accountable for "every idle word." This knowledge changes everything. So if we offer God anything (good deeds, religious works, etc.,) in an attempt to have Him dismiss our case, we are trying to bribe the Judge, This is what the Bible says of that: "The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord." God will not be bribed. The only thing that can save us from His perfect justice, is His mercy. When Jesus suffered on the cross He took the sin of the world upon Himself. He paid our fine so that our case could be dismissed. All we need to do to receive mercy from God is repent and trust alone in Jesus. For further details on how to receive God's gift of everlasting life, see www.needGod.com

MAYOWAAK:

"God is what we make 'him' or 'her' which is why we have too many religions and ideas of what God should be. If there really was one God that existed somewhere in heaven, Man would not be living in this state of confusion and it would mean a world with one religion and one ideology.

Here's another objection by your fellow "atheist"

I believe the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything--giraffe's, horses, cats, cows, elephants and dogs, all with two eyes, two ears, heart, liver, kidneys and lungs, and having male and female. I believe I'm a primate, that I'm a fish, and I'm a cousin of bananas. I believe I'm intelligent. - I'm an atheist

The Bible has a ready made answer:

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools..." (Romans 1:18-20).

Watch www.evolutionvsGod.com

Patricia Bentley-Ivens Said: "I am making my point because those like Ray comfort are harming the world with their poisonous version of theism. Most theists are normal decent people and I do not care what they choose to believe as long as they do not harm others. Unfortunately Ray is causing harm and willfully so."

Ray Answers: It is people like you who are giving me a huge platform for my message. Atheists make video clips that rip into me-some of which have had hundreds of thousands of views (one has had over a million). So atheists converge onto this site, watch our movies--giving them millions of views, talk about them, interview me on their programs, and enlarge the reach of my message. You have been here for years keeping this page alive. Why don't you do what some sensible atheists strongly suggest--go away and leave me alone. But you won't because this is your life. Atheism is a dead and boring lifestyle. Atheist sites are bored atheists who talk with other bored atheists about what they don't believe in. This was summed up recently when I arrived to preach at Huntington Beach one Saturday. The leader of an atheist group who were protesting about God not existing, came over and said, "I'm pleased you are here. It's boring without you." Despite this, I'm pleased you are here, because my hope is that you will one day repent and trust in Jesus. Then you will have a reason to exist--to reach other Hell-bound sinners such as we once were, with the gospel of everlasting life.

Watch -> www.evolutionvsgod.com

Someone Said: "Hey Ray, What is the creationist definition of "a kind"? And can you give a clear examples?"

Ray Answers: The contention is that "kind" is now an outdated non-biological term. But that's not true: A kind is "Race; genus; species; generic class; as in mankind or humankind." www.biologyonline.org. As I explained in www.EvolutionVs.God.com there is the canine kind, the dog and the wolf. There is the feline kind, the cat and the tiger. And there is humankind or what is call Mankind. Believers in evolution can provide changes within species (adaptation) but they can't provide a lick of evidence for Darwinian evolution (as Dawkins likes to call it)--a change of kinds. Their co-called evidence doesn't exist. Darwinian evolution cannot be tested or observed. It rests on nothing but blind faith.

More objections and answers:

"But He has the power to complete erase Hell-- yet He doesn't. If I had the power to stop someone from being tortured, I would. That's the difference between me and your God."

The difference between you and God is that you are a very tiny dying dot (who is blind to the meaning of absolute Justice) in an infinite universe, and God is its eternal ever-present and holy Creator.

Watch www.EvolutionVsGod.com

OLAADEGBU:

Typical questions of atheist wannabes.

"Why would a perfect God make a Hell in the first place? Why are His creations imperfect unless He deliberately made them so? Why make rules that are pretty much impossible to live up to then punish the creations for being simply the way they were 'created'? If there is a God [He] is not the loving creator that most christians say they believe in, it is at best a tinkerer, a trickster and a child who breaks his toys when he does not get his own way." Patricia Bentley-Ivens

If a dying patient turns off his own oxygen hose he shouldn't complain that he can't breathe. The Book of Genesis tells us that God made everything "very good" in the beginning, but sin brought about suffering, pain, disease and death in what is called a "fallen Creation." But the dying atheist denies that Genesis chapter one is true (that we live in a "fallen creation" because of sin), and so he bitterly complains about God allowing suffering, pain, disease and death. Hell is God's prison for guilty criminals. Calling Him childish names will not save you from His Justice, but repentance and faith in Jesus will. See www.needGod.com

However God is the source of Sin, he creates Law and therefore the shadow of Law -- Sin! Sin is any disobedience, free willed action contrary to God's wishes. God is responsible for the sins not man!

Yet what is the criteria for the Law?! What does the Law stand on?! Nothing!!

OLAADEGBU:

Donald Robson Said: "A Christian does a good deed so that he can get into Heaven. An atheist does a good deed."

Ray Answers: The belief that anyone can do anything to get into Heaven is arguably the greatest of all errors. This mistake is made because of what the Bible calls a "lack of knowledge." Here's your missing knowledge. God is a judge. We are criminals in His eyes, and the best of us have violated His moral Law a multitude of times. He considers lust to be adultery, hatred to be murder, sees our thought life and will even hold us accountable for "every idle word." This knowledge changes everything. So if we offer God anything (good deeds, religious works, etc.,) in an attempt to have Him dismiss our case, we are trying to bribe the Judge, This is what the Bible says of that: "The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord." God will not be bribed. The only thing that can save us from His perfect justice, is His mercy. When Jesus suffered on the cross He took the sin of the world upon Himself. He paid our fine so that our case could be dismissed. All we need to do to receive mercy from God is repent and trust alone in Jesus. For further details on how to receive God's gift of everlasting life, see www.needGod.com

The question is: of what purpose is the Law if not to sustain Life?

Kay 17:

The question is: of what purpose is the Law if not to sustain Life?

the purpose of the law was to make men realize that they were sinners, and to convict them, and lead them toward the saving grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

That every mouth may be stopped, and the world might stand guilty before almighty God.

Joshthefirst: the purpose of the law was to make men realize that they were sinners, and to convict them, and lead them toward the saving grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

That every mouth may be stopped, and the world might stand guilty before almighty God.

Yet before the Law, there were no sinners. In the most honest truth, the Law created sinners out of man and God!

Atheists' objections

Walder Frey Said: "If sin disgusts [God] so much, why does He continue to allow it to exist? Isn't He omnipotent and isn't everything according to his will? And all those that supposedly go to Heaven will continue to sin if free will exists in Heaven? Your very flawed question prompts so many more logical questions."

Ray Answers: No, everything isn't according to His will. There are at least two "wills" of God. There is His perfect will, where there is no murder, rape, hatred, racism, lust, rebellion, jealousy, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lying, stealing, blasphemy, etc. God will have His perfect will when His Kingdom comes ("The Day of the Lord", and His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

In the meanwhile, we have His permissive will, where He permits Nazi Germany, abortion, murder, rape, hatred, racism, lust, rebellion, jealousy, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lying, stealing, blasphemy, etc. Here is the reason He is permitting evil:

"But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up" (2 Peter 3:8-10).

In answer to your question about sin in Heaven-Scripture makes it clear that no sin will enter God's Kingdom. So you had better make sure your sins are forgiven. Those who die in their sins will be damned. You can be sure of that. If you would like to live forever, see www.needGod.com

OLAADEGBU: Atheists' objections

Walder Frey Said: "If sin disgusts [God] so much, why does He continue to allow it to exist? Isn't He omnipotent and isn't everything according to his will? And all those that supposedly go to Heaven will continue to sin if free will exists in Heaven? Your very flawed question prompts so many more logical questions."

Ray Answers: No, everything isn't according to His will. There are at least two "wills" of God. There is His perfect will, where there is no murder, rape, hatred, racism, lust, rebellion, jealousy, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lying, stealing, blasphemy, etc. God will have His perfect will when His Kingdom comes ("The Day of the Lord", and His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

In the meanwhile, we have His permissive will, where He permits Nazi Germany, abortion, murder, rape, hatred, racism, lust, rebellion, jealousy, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lying, stealing, blasphemy, etc. Here is the reason He is permitting evil:

"But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up" (2 Peter 3:8-10).

In answer to your question about sin in Heaven-Scripture makes it clear that no sin will enter God's Kingdom. So you had better make sure your sins are forgiven. Those who die in their sins will be damned. You can be sure of that. If you would like to live forever, see www.needGod.com

I'll say the ONLY will he has is permissive, as far as man is concerned.
Even from the beginning, he PERMITTED Satan access to Eden.
And don't start with the crap about eve's free will, because God already knew what eve will use it for. Just like Jesus knew Judas will betray him.

Come to think of it, i think the true hero of the bible should be Judas. He knew the consequences of his act of betrayal, being eternal damnation, yet he sacrificed his soul so that Jesus can fulfill his dreams

Y'all Christians owe Judas BIG-TIME!!!

OLAADEGBU: Atheists' objections

Walder Frey Said: "If sin disgusts [God] so much, why does He continue to allow it to exist? Isn't He omnipotent and isn't everything according to his will? And all those that supposedly go to Heaven will continue to sin if free will exists in Heaven? Your very flawed question prompts so many more logical questions."

Ray Answers: No, everything isn't according to His will. There are at least two "wills" of God. There is His perfect will, where there is no murder, rape, hatred, racism, lust, rebellion, jealousy, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lying, stealing, blasphemy, etc. God will have His perfect will when His Kingdom comes ("The Day of the Lord", and His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

In the meanwhile, we have His permissive will, where He permits Nazi Germany, abortion, murder, rape, hatred, racism, lust, rebellion, jealousy, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lying, stealing, blasphemy, etc. Here is the reason He is permitting evil:

"But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up" (2 Peter 3:8-10).

In answer to your question about sin in Heaven-Scripture makes it clear that no sin will enter God's Kingdom. So you had better make sure your sins are forgiven. Those who die in their sins will be damned. You can be sure of that. If you would like to live forever, see www.needGod.com

Somehow this is reasonable reasoning of a God so intelligent, the base minimum of humanity at a cellular level is so complicated it is impossible to have originated from a ninny sentient being as posed above

Kay 17:

However God is the source of Sin, he creates Law and therefore the shadow of Law -- Sin! Sin is any disobedience, free willed action contrary to God's wishes. God is responsible for the sins not man!

Yet what is the criteria for the Law?! What does the Law stand on?! Nothing!!

Kay 17:

The question is: of what purpose is the Law if not to sustain Life?

Kay 17:

Yet before the Law, there were no sinners. In the most honest truth, the Law created sinners out of man and God!

Many years ago, a man jumped off a high bridge in an effort to end his life. Fortunately, he lived through the ordeal but broke his back as a result of the fall, and ended up in a wheelchair. His attempt to take his life caused a great deal of distress, to those in control of the bridge, to paramedics, to traffic, and especially to his family. Authorities wanted to press charges against him but they couldn't; since this was the city’s first suicide attempt, they had no law forbidding such an act. He escaped the consequences of the law of man, but suffered the painful consequences of breaking what is sometime called a law, the law of gravity.

In the same way, there was no prosecution by God from Adam to Moses. However, every person in Adam still sinned and therefore suffered the consequences of breaking the then unwritten moral Law—"the soul that sins, it shall die" (Ezekiel 18:4). Death reigned as king, with a dominion from Adam to Moses. They didn't partake from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil as did Adam, but they still sinned against God by violating the Ten Commandments.

Kay 17:

However it begs the question - a question you cannot answer - why all these evils in the first place? Except Evil is a shadow of God.

Study the soil for a moment. It naturally produces weeds. No one plants them; no one waters them. They even stubbornly push through cracks of a dry sidewalk. Millions of useless weeds sprout like there’s no tomorrow, strangling our crops and ruining our lawns. Pull them out by the roots, and there will be more tomorrow. They are nothing but a curse!

Consider how much of the earth is uninhabitable. There are millions of square miles of barren deserts in Africa and other parts of the world. Most of Australia is nothing but miles and miles of useless desolate land. Not only that, but the earth is constantly shaken with massive earthquakes. Its shores are lashed with hurricanes; tornadoes rip through creation with incredible fury; devastating floods soak the land; and terrible droughts parch the soil. Sharks, tigers, lions, snakes, spiders, and disease-carrying mosquitoes attack humanity and suck its life’s blood. The earth’s inhabitants are afflicted with disease, pain, suffering, and death.

Think of how many people are plagued with cancer, Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis, heart disease, emphysema, Parkinson’s, and a number of other debilitating illnesses. Consider all the children with leukemia, or people born with crippling diseases or without the mental capability to even feed themselves. All these things should convince rational minds that something is radically wrong.

OLAADEGBU:



Many years ago, a man jumped off a high bridge in an effort to end his life. Fortunately, he lived through the ordeal but broke his back as a result of the fall, and ended up in a wheelchair. His attempt to take his life caused a great deal of distress, to those in control of the bridge, to paramedics, to traffic, and especially to his family. Authorities wanted to press charges against him but they couldn't; since this was the city’s first suicide attempt, they had no law forbidding such an act. He escaped the consequences of the law of man, but suffered the painful consequences of breaking what is sometime called a law, the law of gravity.

In the same way, there was no prosecution by God from Adam to Moses. However, every person in Adam still sinned and therefore suffered the consequences of breaking the then unwritten moral Law—"the soul that sins, it shall die" (Ezekiel 18:4). Death reigned as king, with a dominion from Adam to Moses. They didn't partake from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil as did Adam, but they still sinned against God by violating the Ten Commandments.

First of all, the man in your story that eventually got crippled DID NOT break the law of gravity, in fact he obeyed by the mere fact he fell.

2. You seem to be claiming God did not create the Law, becauseif so and if the Law is uncreated, then God would in some way be bound to obey it.

OLAADEGBU:

Study the soil for a moment. It naturally produces weeds. No one plants them; no one waters them. They even stubbornly push through cracks of a dry sidewalk. Millions of useless weeds sprout like there’s no tomorrow, strangling our crops and ruining our lawns. Pull them out by the roots, and there will be more tomorrow. They are nothing but a curse!

Consider how much of the earth is uninhabitable. There are millions of square miles of barren deserts in Africa and other parts of the world. Most of Australia is nothing but miles and miles of useless desolate land. Not only that, but the earth is constantly shaken with massive earthquakes. Its shores are lashed with hurricanes; tornadoes rip through creation with incredible fury; devastating floods soak the land; and terrible droughts parch the soil. Sharks, tigers, lions, snakes, spiders, and disease-carrying mosquitoes attack humanity and suck its life’s blood.

The earth’s inhabitants are afflicted with disease, pain, suffering, and death. Think of how many people are plagued with cancer, Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis, heart disease, emphysema, Parkinson’s, and a number of other debilitating illnesses. Consider all the children with leukemia, or people born with crippling diseases or without the mental capability to even feed themselves. All these things should convince rational minds that something is radically wrong.

Which will stand as proof against an Almighty Creator whose responsibility is Creation.

OLAADEGBU:

Study the soil for a moment. It naturally produces weeds. No one plants them; no one waters them. They even stubbornly push through cracks of a dry sidewalk. Millions of useless weeds sprout like there’s no tomorrow, strangling our crops and ruining our lawns. Pull them out by the roots, and there will be more tomorrow. They are nothing but a curse!

Consider how much of the earth is uninhabitable. There are millions of square miles of barren deserts in Africa and other parts of the world. Most of Australia is nothing but miles and miles of useless desolate land. Not only that, but the earth is constantly shaken with massive earthquakes. Its shores are lashed with hurricanes; tornadoes rip through creation with incredible fury; devastating floods soak the land; and terrible droughts parch the soil. Sharks, tigers, lions, snakes, spiders, and disease-carrying mosquitoes attack humanity and suck its life’s blood.

The earth’s inhabitants are afflicted with disease, pain, suffering, and death. Think of how many people are plagued with cancer, Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis, heart disease, emphysema, Parkinson’s, and a number of other debilitating illnesses. Consider all the children with leukemia, or people born with crippling diseases or without the mental capability to even feed themselves. All these things should convince rational minds that something is radically wrong.

@bold-You have said it all but instead for them should reason with it they will quickly assign it to a wicked act of God because they can't prove beyond it by asking them, why must these things happen, what is their source? Lol....just the way they believe ancient people assigned everything that happened as effect of a God/gods because they can't prove beyond their Nose

@emusan

Why is evil necessary?!

Kay 17:

Which will stand as proof against an Almighty Creator whose responsibility is Creation.

Did God blow it when He created humanity? What sort of tyrant must our Creator be if this was His master plan?

Sadly, many use the issue of suffering as an excuse to reject any thought of God, when its existence is the very reason we should accept Him. Suffering stands as terrible testimony to the truth of the explanation given by the Word of God.

But how can we know that the Bible is true?--simply by studying the prophecies of Matthew 24, Luke 21, and 2 Timothy 3. A few minutes of openhearted inspection will convince any honest skeptic that this is no ordinary book. It is the supernatural testament of our Creator about why there is suffering...and what we can do about it.

The Bible tells us that God cursed the earth because of Adam’s transgression. Weeds are a curse. So is disease. Sin and suffering cannot be separated. The Scriptures inform us that we live in a fallen creation. In the beginning, God created man perfect, and he lived in a perfect world without suffering. It was Heaven on earth. When sin came into the world, death and misery came with it.

Those who understand the message of Holy Scripture eagerly await a new heavens and a new earth "wherein dwells righteousness." In that coming Kingdom there will be no more pain, suffering, disease, or death. We are told that no eye has ever seen, nor has any ear heard, neither has any man’s mind ever imagined the wonderful things that God has in store for those who love Him (see 1 Corinthians 2:9). Think for a moment what it would be like if food grew with the fervour of weeds. Consider how wonderful it would be if the deserts became incredibly fertile, if creation stopped devouring humanity. Imagine if the weather worked for us instead of against us, if disease completely disappeared, if pain was a thing of the past, if death was no more.

The dilemma is that we are like a child whose insatiable appetite for chocolate has caused his face to break out with ugly sores. He looks in the mirror and sees a sight that makes him depressed. But instead of giving up his beloved chocolate, he consoles himself by stuffing more into his mouth. Yet, the source of his pleasure is actually the cause of his suffering.

The whole face of the earth is nothing but ugly sores of suffering. Everywhere we look we see unspeakable pain. But instead of believing God’s explanation and asking Him to forgive us and change our appetite, we run deeper into sin’s sweet embrace. There we find solace in its temporal pleasures, thus intensifying our pain, both in this life and in the life to come. From, The Evidence Bible --> http:///1bEnd2s

Kay 17:

First of all, the man in your story that eventually got crippled DID NOT break the law of gravity, in fact he obeyed by the mere fact he fell.

2. You seem to be claiming God did not create the Law, becauseif so and if the Law is uncreated, then God would in some way be bound to obey it.

One hundred fifty years ago it would have been thought insane that a jumbo jet, filled with people, could fly. The law of gravity made it impossible for even a feather to remain in the air. Yet, we know that when a certain object moves at a particular speed, it moves out of what has been called the law of gravity into a higher law—the law of aerodynamics—even though the law of gravity still remains.

The world thinks the Christian is insane to live for Jesus Christ. But we know that, even though there is the law of sin and death, we live in a higher law—"the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus" (see Romans 8:2). From, The Evidence Bible -> http:///1bEnd2s

voltron:

Somehow this is reasonable reasoning of a God so intelligent, the base minimum of humanity at a cellular level is so complicated it is impossible to have originated from a ninny sentient being as posed above

Mahatma Ghandi acknowledged the inability of his religion to atone for sin. Despite his moral lifestyle and good works, he admitted, "It is a constant torture to me that I am still so far from Him whom I know to be my very life and being. I know it is my own wretchedness and wickedness that keeps me from Him." All works-based religions lead to futility and death. It is only in Jesus Christ that sinners can find forgiveness for their sins and deliverance from death and hell.

OLAADEGBU: How to Become an Atheist:

If you are thinking of becoming an atheist, beware. The first step is easy, but it’s not so easy to walk the walk.

You will have to ignore design when you can see it everywhere: in the universe, the atoms, the birds and the bees, the clouds and trees, the seasons, the human body, fish, flowers, fruits, feet, and even fungus. And of course, there is the amazing-looking human eye. Everywhere you look and everywhere you can't look with the human eye you will see incredible design.

Now here's the really difficult part. You will need to believe that everything man-made: cars, computers, and candies were made by man, etc., but deny that everything in nature--cattle, camels, and cabbages, etc., were made at all. It came from nothing, with no Maker.

Once you have done this, crown yourself as being intelligent. Then you will need to find other atheists who believe as you do, and they will confirm to you that you are indeed intelligent. You will also need to believe that evolution is true and that you’re an ape and therefore you are not morally responsible because apes have no moral absolutes. Never forget to always give God a small "g," and learn believers' phrases such as "Evolution is a proven fact," and "I have no beliefs in any gods."

Do these things, and you will be able to call yourself a "new" atheist. How cool is that! Well, not really. You can't be a true atheist because you need absolute knowledge to say that there is no God. Besides, you intuitively know that He exists. Still, for sin-loving sinners the benefits of atheism are great in this life. But not the next. So you are really not an atheist, and to keep with your sinful lifestyle I guess you will just have to pretend to be one. Or you could simply check out the link below:

-->> www.EvolutionVsGod.com

This is pretty ridiculous... don't you think?

yorubaamerican:

This is pretty ridiculous... don't you think?

Ridiculous, how?

OLAADEGBU:

Did God blow it when He created humanity? What sort of tyrant must our Creator be if this was His master plan?

Sadly, many use the issue of suffering as an excuse to reject any thought of God, when its existence is the very reason we should accept Him. Suffering stands as terrible testimony to the truth of the explanation given by the Word of God.
But how can we know that the Bible is true?--simply by studying the prophecies of Matthew 24, Luke 21, and 2 Timothy 3. A few minutes of openhearted inspection will convince any honest skeptic that this is no ordinary book. It is the supernatural testament of our Creator about why there is suffering...and what we can do about it.

The Bible tells us that God cursed the earth because of Adam’s transgression. Weeds are a curse. So is disease. Sin and suffering cannot be separated. The Scriptures inform us that we live in a fallen creation. In the beginning, God created man perfect, and he lived in a perfect world without suffering. It was Heaven on earth. When sin came into the world, death and misery came with it. Those who understand the message of Holy Scripture eagerly await a new heavens and a new earth "wherein dwells righteousness." In that coming Kingdom there will be no more pain, suffering, disease, or death. We are told that no eye has ever seen, nor has any ear heard, neither has any man’s mind ever imagined the wonderful things that God has in store for those who love Him (see 1 Corinthians 2:9). Think for a moment what it would be like if food grew with the fervour of weeds. Consider how wonderful it would be if the deserts became incredibly fertile, if creation stopped devouring humanity. Imagine if the weather worked for us instead of against us, if disease completely disappeared, if pain was a thing of the past, if death was no more.

The dilemma is that we are like a child whose insatiable appetite for chocolate has caused his face to break out with ugly sores. He looks in the mirror and sees a sight that makes him depressed. But instead of giving up his beloved chocolate, he consoles himself by stuffing more into his mouth. Yet, the source of his pleasure is actually the cause of his suffering.

The whole face of the earth is nothing but ugly sores of suffering. Everywhere we look we see unspeakable pain. But instead of believing God’s explanation and asking Him to forgive us and change our appetite, we run deeper into sin’s sweet embrace. There we find solace in its temporal pleasures, thus intensifying our pain, both in this life and in the life to come. From, The Evidence Bible --> http:///1bEnd2s

By saying this, you imply God lost control and Sin took over! It is far from being Almighty.

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No. Man lost control and sin took over.
God gave man dominion.





I never knew you were aan atheist sir. When did you become one?

Kay 17:

By saying this, you imply God lost control and Sin took over! It is far from being Almighty.

Hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, droughts, and earthquakes kill tens of thousands of people each year. Multitudes endure crippling diseases, endless suffering, and unspeakable pain. Many non-Christians credit a heartless Mother Nature for giving us all this grief. They fail to consider that "Mother Nature" has a Senior Partner—Father God.

However, if God is responsible for all this heartache, that presents an interesting dilemma. If God is an "all-loving" Father figure, as we are told, we seem to have three choices:

1) God blew it when He made everything (He’s creative but incompetent);

2) God is a tyrant, who gets His kicks from seeing kids die of leukemia;

3) something between God and man is radically wrong.

These are our choices...and those who take time to consider the evidence will lean toward number three. Something between man and God is radically wrong, and the Bible tells us what it is. There is a war going on. We are told that mankind is an enemy of God in his mind through wicked works (see Colossians 1:21). That's not too hard to see. Man is continually committing violent acts such as murder and rape, lying, stealing, etc., as the daily news confirms. He uses God's name as a curse word, while Mother Nature gets the glory for His creation—unless there’s a horrible disaster; then man calls that "an act of God."

An applicable acronym for WAR is We Are Right. Any country going to war does so because it has the conviction that it is in the right. However, a quick look at God's Law shows us who is right and who is wrong. We, not God, are the guilty party. If we want His blessing back on our nation and in our lives, we must make peace with Him, and that is possible only through faith in Jesus Christ.