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(law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by BARRISTERS: 11:55pm On Nov 12, 2013
HEBREW 7: 5-11,14,18 and 22


5 AND INDEED THOSE WHO ARE OF THE SONS OF LEVI, WHO RECEIVE THE PRIESTHOOD, HAVE A COMMANDMENT TO RECEIVE TITHES FROM THE PEOPLE ACCORDING TO THE LAW, THAT IS, FROM THEIR BRETHREN, THOUGH THEY HAVE COME FROM THE LOINS OF ABRAHAM;



11 THEREFORE, IF PERFECTION WERE THROUGH THE LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD (FOR UNDER IT THE PEOPLE RECEIVED THE LAW), WHAT FURTHER NEED WAS THERE THAT ANOTHER PRIEST SHOULD RISE ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK, AND NOT BE CALLED ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF AARON? 12 FOR THE PRIESTHOOD BEING CHANGED, OF NECESSITY THERE IS ALSO A CHANGE OF THE LAW. 13 FOR HE OF WHOM THESE THINGS ARE SPOKEN BELONGS TO ANOTHER TRIBE, FROM WHICH NO MAN HAS OFFICIATED AT THE ALTAR.

14 FOR IT IS EVIDENT THAT OUR LORD AROSE FROM JUDAH, OF WHICH TRIBE MOSES SPOKE NOTHING CONCERNING PRIESTHOOD.[A] 15 AND IT IS YET FAR MORE EVIDENT IF, IN THE LIKENESS OF MELCHIZEDEK, THERE ARISES ANOTHER PRIEST 16 WHO HAS COME, NOT ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF A FLESHLY COMMANDMENT, BUT ACCORDING TO THE POWER OF AN ENDLESS LIFE.

18[b] FOR ON THE ONE HAND THERE IS AN ANNULLING OF THE FORMER COMMANDMENT BECAUSE OF ITS WEAKNESS AND UNPROFITABLENESS[/b], 19 FOR THE LAW MADE NOTHING PERFECT; ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE IS THE BRINGING IN OF A BETTER HOPE, THROUGH WHICH WE DRAW NEAR TO GOD.


22 BY SO MUCH MORE JESUS HAS BECOME A SURETY OF A BETTER COVENANT.

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by BARRISTERS: 11:58pm On Nov 12, 2013
pre-law Abraham's tenth-part offering to melchizedeck were not commanded, and so should not be used as a basis
Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Joagbaje(m): 5:01am On Nov 13, 2013
Tithes and offerings are eternal principles . They existed before the levitical priest hood.
The kindom of God has many principles. Tithes , offering , alms giving ,fasting , prayer , worship etc. these principles had been there before the law or levitical priesthood.

Christians are not tithing just because the law say so. But rather because it's a principle . If you don't believe in tithing you should not believe in offerings also. Let's worship God with empty hand.

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Candour(m): 5:23am On Nov 13, 2013
Tithing is of the law. Abram's tithe of war spoils to Melchizedek has nothing to do with the sham caricature of tithe in practice today.

Tithing is not a principle. Tithing is a command, a law, an obligation as this devotional by Pastor Chris shows.


See here https://www.nairaland.com/393253/rhapsody-realities-daily-devotional/9#8071513

The Giving That Stands You Out – Thursday April 7, 2011 – Pastor Chris

And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, Having land sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet (Acts 4:36-37).

It’s impossible for a Christian who only gives his tithes and offerings to feel like an accomplished giver, but the Bible lets us know these aren’t enough. Your tithes for example belong to God, and He expects you to give them to Him anyway. The man who does otherwise is a robber: “Will a man rob God: Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings” (Malachi 3:8 ).

God is not a man (Numbers 23:19); He’s God. So you MUST give Him your tithes and your offerings, as God. Actually, you pay your tithe; you don’t give it, as you would your free-will offering. So your tithe is not a gift, because you don’t pay a gift. Your offering on the other hand isnt just a donation made to the Church, but a sacrifice offered to a divine being. God actually demanded for it in Exodus 23:15: “…None shall appear before Me empty-handed” (AMP).

So, beyond your tithes and giving your offerings, which are compulsory for every believer, you have to go the extra mile by getting financially involved in the spread of the Gospel. This type of giving is special because it isn’t a compulsion, but is done out of your love and commitment to the Gospel. 2 Corinthians 9:7 (AMP) says, “Let each one [give] as he has made up his own mind and purposed in his heart, not reluctantly or sorrowfully or under compulsion, for God loves (He takes pleasure in, prizes above other things, and is unwilling to abandon or to do without) a cheerful (joyous, “prompt to do it”) giver [whose heart is in his giving]. This is the giving that stands you out.”

Remember it’s in your interest and in your favour when you give to the Lord, for He has promised great returns and mighty harvest of blessings for the giver. So be sure to be counted among those who give financially towards the things of God. In our Ministry, we have several platforms through which we reach millions of souls around the world every day with the Gospel. Locate such opportunities and participate big-time. That’s how to get relevant in the Kingdom and make your life count.

Prayer
Dear Father, thank you for the available opportunities I have to give towards the work of the Kingdom today, realizing that they’ve been put in place for me to make my relevance and impact in world evangelism felt through my giving. Thank you Lord, for continuously increasing my capacity to give, in Jesus’ Name. Amen,

Further Study
Luke 8:2-3
And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

Daily Scripture Reading
1 Year Bible Luke 11:14-36
Reading plan Judges 3-4

2 Year Bible Matthew 27:55-66
Reading Plan Leviticus 7

Rhapsody of Realities Pastor Chris Oyakhilome

Malachi 3:8-11 is not a reference to Abram's tithe of war spoils. It's a reference to Mosaic tithe laws of Lev 27:30-33, Num 18:21-32, Deut 14:22-29

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by shdemidemi(m): 5:42am On Nov 13, 2013
Joagbaje: Tithes and offerings are eternal principles . They existed before the levitical priest hood.
The kindom of God has many principles. Tithes , offering , alms giving ,fasting , prayer , worship etc. these principles had been there before the law or levitical priesthood.

Christians are not tithing just because the law say so. But rather because it's a principle . If you don't believe in tithing you should not believe in offerings also. Let's worship God with empty hand.

What is it with you and your improvised and man made concocted principles? You can as well make a full list of these principles so we know what all your principles are.

I believe the church has a full and clear instruction on what to do and how to do it in the epistles. If you think you have exhausted the documented instructions for principles that are more sure, kindly make your source and your case known.

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by ajayikayod: 8:52am On Nov 13, 2013
Joagbaje: Tithes and offerings are eternal principles . They existed before the levitical priest hood.
The kindom of God has many principles. Tithes , offering , alms giving ,fasting , prayer , worship etc. these principles had been there before the law or levitical priesthood.

Christians are not tithing just because the law say so. But rather because it's a principle . If you don't believe in tithing you should not believe in offerings also. Let's worship God with empty hand.

Tithes? Not according to d scripture Bro,

Animals sacrifices pre-date d law too, infact pre-date Abraham. Was performed by Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Prophets, was performed for Child Jesus.

If d reason u pay tithe is becos its eternal principle and pre-date d Law, why dont u offer animal sacrifices too? We kno God accepted dt too from many. Apostles never mentioned not to do it also.


Its better we thread cautiously not to be entangled again by dt which Christ has made us free.

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by macof(m): 11:57am On Nov 13, 2013
Joagbaje: Tithes and offerings are eternal principles . They existed before the levitical priest hood.
The kindom of God has many principles. Tithes , offering , alms giving ,fasting , prayer , worship etc. these principles had been there before the law or levitical priesthood.

Christians are not tithing just because the law say so. But rather because it's a principle . If you don't believe in tithing you should not believe in offerings also. Let's worship God with empty hand.

Tithes is a Jewish thing as an African u dont need to pay tithes. And Its so disgusting that u worship a God dat u cannot worship with free will.

You think tithes are so important, and appease Yahweh? burnt sacrifice appeases him more, you should kill rams and read The Torah every sabbath day. that brings me to the sabbath day. You shouldn't go to church on Sundays, Only Saturdays, dont work on saturdays, dont sin, just keep it Holy

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Gombs(m): 1:49pm On Nov 13, 2013
ajayikayod:

Tithes? Not according to d scripture Bro,

Animals sacrifices pre-date d law too, infact pre-date Abraham. Was performed by Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Prophets, was performed for Child Jesus.

If d reason u pay tithe is becos its eternal principle and pre-date d Law, why dont u offer animal sacrifices too? We kno God accepted dt too from many. Apostles never mentioned not to do it also.


Its better we thread cautiously not to be entangled again by dt which Christ has made us free.

I'm not suppose to be on this thread, but...

1. We tithe because we are of the faith of Abraham

2. He tithed to a priest of SAME order of priesthood as Jesus hence tithe is an eternal principle because the priesthood we belong to is forever

Heb 7
8 Furthermore, here [in the Levitical priesthood] tithes are received by men who are subject to death; while there [in the case of Melchizedek], they are received by one of whom it is testified that he lives [perpetually] .

We are under the priesthood of the order of Melchizedek, why? Because Jesus is of same order
Notice the bold above..THEY ARE was used and not IT WAS. But only Abraham physically paid tithe to Melchizedek! Why then use the word THEY which symbolizes plurality? It should be IT WAS...Question is, was that a typographical error?
It goes to show that though Abraham once paid tithe to that order physically, all which are his seed (those who belong to Christ) are doing same to that order when ever they bring their tithes...that is why we have that word THEY ARE and not IT WAS ...that order of Melchizedek and tithing is continual till eternity, AND tithing still goes to that order today and forever

3. Mal 3 was written not to the levitical priests or Mosaic tithe laws, why?
Because it was written for a time to come, it talks of a later time or a messenger and messiah to come. It was written to scoffers who made fun about the coming of the messiah. Malachi was told to Look, to SEE with his Spirit eye...God said to him "Behold"

Mal 3v1
New Living Translation
"Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. Then the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his Temple. [size=16pt]The messenger of the covenant, whom you look for so eagerly, [/size] is surely coming," says the LORD of Heaven's Armies.


Here is a prophecy of the appearing of John the Baptist. He is Christ's harbinger. He shall prepare the way before Him, by calling men to repentance. The Messiah had been long called, He that should come, and now shortly he will come. He is the Messenger of the covenant. The covenant you and i belong to and enjoy

V3 and 4

3 He will sit like a refiner of silver, burning away the dross. He will purify the priests/sons of Levi , refining them like gold and silver, so that they may once again offer acceptable sacrifices to the LORD. 4 Then once more the LORD will accept the offerings brought to him by the people of Judah and Jerusalem, as he did in the past.


When that Messiah comes, He will refine the Levites (Levitical priesthood).Go study what he meant by refining the levitical priesthood "so that they can once again offer acceptable sacrifices to the lord".
Let me just help you cos you won't go study

The Messiah Jesus will also purify those around Him:
Like fire, He will burn away the impurities of the priests. Like soap, He will wash away their uncleanness ( Deuteronomy 4:29; Isaiah 1:25; Jeremiah 6:29-30; Ezekiel 22:17-22wink. The priests will then be able to offer sacrifices in righteousness (from a pure heart.)

He is talking about US, the new creation folks! We are the refined Priests, of the order of Melchizedek. Hallelujah!

And see that it says, that He will accept the offerings of the people of Judah and Jerusalem ONCE AGAIN as he did in the past.

Question is...why Judah? Why Jerusalem?

The offerings in the latter days will be similar to those when the temple was first built.
The refiner’s fire and launderer’s soap (in verse 2) indicate the holiness and burning judgment of the Messiah Jesus when He returns to reign in Jerusalem at His second coming. His brightness and cleanliness will extend to those who serve Him, creating a cleansed temple and purified priesthood. “See, the Sovereign LORD comes with power, and his arm rules for him. See, his reward is with him, and his recompense accompanies him” ( Isaiah 40:10).

Now, from verses 6 downwards was a call to repentance. Notice he said he'd bless the tither, notice he said, "Test me in this and see if i will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out a blessing that there shall not be enough room to receive it"..Question is, did ANY levitical priest EVER blessed a tither? Melchizedek's order blesses a tither, Jesus is from same order, we are of that order too.

Question, those who tithed in the days of old under the Levitical priesthood, was it that God after more than 500years later suddenly changed him mind and included a blessing clause to tithing under Levitical order? and that coincided to when He was talking about the coming of a messiah?? same who He said was coming with a new covenant?

In short, I was just pointing out that Mal3 was for a latter time, a time talking of Christ and those he will purify, a time of new priests, a time of the new creation folks.

2. And that our faith is of Abraham, who tithed IN FAITH to a to a Priest of same order Jesus is of, an order which is eternal. Hence tithe is eternal, so is offering!

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Gombs(m): 2:34pm On Nov 13, 2013
macof:

Tithes is a Jewish thing as an African u dont need to pay tithes. And Its so disgusting that u worship a God dat u cannot worship with free will.

You think tithes are so important, and appease Yahweh? burnt sacrifice appeases him more, you should kill rams and read The Torah every sabbath day. that brings me to the sabbath day. You shouldn't go to church on Sundays, Only Saturdays, dont work on saturdays, dont sin, just keep it Holy

and who told u Saturday is the seventh day? the roman calendar right?...what if i were in an arabic country, and use the arabic calendar, when should be the 7th day? and study the OT, there were different kinds of sabbath, which are you telling me to keep?


and my God wont burn me in hell, because i chose to worship him on a particular day...my bible said, he seeketh those who will worship him in SPIRIT and TRUTH...not those who will worship him on saturdays

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Joagbaje(m): 6:23pm On Nov 13, 2013
ajayikayod:

Animals sacrifices pre-date d law too, infact pre-date Abraham.

Of course the bible makes it clear that the blood of christ is mans atonement. Jesus fulfilled that in his death. So animal blood is of no significance anymore. It was for cleansing of flesh only and not the spirit But Jesus blood has to do with the spirit

Hebrews 9:13
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh
:

Jesus did not fulfill tithe . And there's no single scripture in the bible that condemns or indicate an end to tithing

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by macof(m): 6:47pm On Nov 13, 2013
Gombs:

and who told u Saturday is the seventh day? the roman calendar right?...what if i were in an arabic country, and use the arabic calendar, when should be the 7th day? and study the OT, there were different kinds of sabbath, which are you telling me to keep?


and my God wont burn me in hell, because i chose to worship him on a particular day...my bible said, he seeketh those who will worship him in SPIRIT and TRUTH...not those who will worship him on saturdays

Foolish idiot Sabbath day in Israel is Saturday. It's Saturdays they worship Yahweh.
Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Gombs(m): 7:16pm On Nov 13, 2013
macof:

Foolish idiot Sabbath day in Israel is Saturday. It's Saturdays they worship Yahweh.

Then why did u say we should not go to church on sundays.....? They are Jews....I am a Christian....they read the Torah, I, Bible...they don't believe Jesus is the Messiah....I do etc etc big difference

And I told u there were different types of Sabbath in the OT, which do u want me to keep?
Ur insults were needless...show civility at all times sir!
Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by macof(m): 7:30pm On Nov 13, 2013
Gombs:

Then why did u say we should not go to church on sundays.....? They are Jews....I am a Christian....they read the Torah, I, Bible...they don't believe Jesus is the Messiah....I do etc etc big difference

And I told u there were different types of Sabbath in the OT, which do u want me to keep?
Ur insults were needless...show civility at all times sir!

Jews are ur masters, u serve their God. They know their God Better than u.

Yahweh doesn't have anyson.
Can a mountain give birth to another aspect of nature?

Stop this blasphemy against The Jews and their God.

There is,only the sabbath of Yahweh worship day, which is part of the ten commandments which u Christians hold dear.

Hell is waiting for u. Yahweh would send u there for disobeying his word(the Torah)

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Gombs(m): 7:41pm On Nov 13, 2013
^^
grin

Thank for the advice, your opinion is duly noted
Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by ajayikayod: 8:33am On Nov 14, 2013
Joagbaje:

Of course the bible makes it clear that the blood of christ is mans atonement. Jesus fulfilled that in his death. So animal blood is of no significance anymore. It was for cleansing of flesh only and not the spirit But Jesus blood has to do with the spirit.

Hebrews 9:13
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh
:

Well, going thru d scripture, i can point out dt not all animal sacrifice were done in light of wat u mentioned.

Gen 8:21; Noah offered a burnt offering not for cleansing of flesh but as worship unto God, Abraham did same too at God request (Gen 22:2-14) not for cleansing.

Why cant i do the same too today (Since Noah/Abram did by "faith"wink in worship or thanksgiving (giving) to God not for cleansing. Why did God wants it in terms of money (tithes) now not animals?

Jesus did not fulfill tithe . And there's no single scripture in the bible that condemns or indicate an end to tithing

Secondly, to stay around ur claim, u agreed dt d blood of Jesus brought righteousness hence salvation to man, thr by recieving d promise pf d Spirit. I will lik to kno, does ds salvation we received includes all of God's blessings? If no, then wat and wat is not included? If yes, then can u tell us whr a Christian stands in Mal 3:10 on d blessing and curses of tithes?

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by ajayikayod: 8:57am On Nov 14, 2013
Gombs:

I'm not suppose to be on this thread, but...

1. We tithe because we are of the faith of Abraham

2. He tithed to a priest of SAME order of priesthood as Jesus hence tithe is an eternal principle because the priesthood we belong to is forever

... And that our faith is of Abraham, who tithed IN FAITH to a to a Priest of same order Jesus is of, an order which is eternal. Hence tithe is eternal, so is offering!

Bro, pls i m trying to kno whr in d scripture dt showed dt d tithe Abraham gave was by faith, infact i could recall in Heb 11:17 dt Abraham offered Isaac by faith (a sacrifice not for cleansing but for worship).

Secondly, according to d scriptures who ar d present day priesthood of God and since Levites priesthood dont pay but collect tithes, who then do d paying and who do d collecting in d present day church.


V3 and 4

3 He will sit like a refiner of silver, burning away the dross. He will purify the priests/sons of Levi , refining them like gold and silver, so that they may once again offer acceptable sacrifices to the LORD. [/b] 4 Then once more the LORD will accept the offerings brought to him by the people of Judah and Jerusalem, as he did in the past.


When that Messiah comes, He will refine the Levites (Levitical priesthood).Go study what he meant by refining the levitical priesthood "so that they can once again offer acceptable sacrifices to the lord".
Let me just help you cos you won't go study

The Messiah Jesus will also purify those around Him:
Like fire, He will burn away the impurities of the priests. Like soap, He will wash away their uncleanness ( Deuteronomy 4:29; Isaiah 1:25; Jeremiah 6:29-30; Ezekiel 22:17-22wink. The priests will then be able to offer sacrifices in righteousness (from a pure heart.)

The sacrifices u mentioned above, do they referred to physical gifts, monetary offerings? If u preach ds sacrifice to b physical gift then i think sometin is still missing to complete d offer and dt tin is d fire to burn d sacrifice (money, gifts).
Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Gombs(m): 9:50am On Nov 14, 2013
ajayikayod:

Bro, pls i m trying to kno whr in d scripture dt showed dt d tithe Abraham gave was by faith, infact i could recall in Heb 11:17 dt Abraham offered Isaac by faith (a sacrifice not for cleansing but for worship).

The man Abraham did all he did in faith...remember he left his family and followed a God he has not seen nor heard of..Gen 12, is that not faith?

The only thing he did outta faith affected his seed and still is...and that was following Sarah's idea


Secondly, according to d scriptures who ar d present day priesthood of God

The new creation folks...we are a Royal Priesthood...same as Mechizedek is (notice I didn't say was)


and since Levites priesthood dont pay but collect tithes, who then do d paying and who do d collecting in d present day church.

Did you read that Mal 3 at all? The refined priests give the sacrifices...they do the offering themselves, they (new creation folks) are ALL priests...

KEYWORD is .. REFINED

The sacrifices u mentioned above, do they referred to physical gifts, monetary offerings?

All forms, monetary, physical and spiritual

If u preach ds sacrifice to b physical gift then i think sometin is still missing to complete d offer and dt tin is d fire to burn d sacrifice (money, gifts).

Did melchizedek burn Abraham's sacrifice?

When you hear the word sacrifice you should not think of burnt offerings

The word sacrifice is surrendering a possession as an offering to God or to a divine or supernatural figure. It means A sacrifice is something you give up, usually for the sake of a better cause.

The bible talked of spiritual sacrifices like Worship, praising God, etc do they need 'spiritual fire'?

The sacrifices of cain and abel, did you read any fire there!? Did Cain burn up his farm produce? The bible recorded that by faith Abel offered...

Stop being carnally minded

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by DrummaBoy(m): 12:30pm On Nov 14, 2013
Gombs:

I'm not suppose to be on this thread, but...

1. We tithe because we are of the faith of Abraham

There is no such thing as tithing by faith; it is nowhere stated in the whole of scripture. We share a similar faith with Abraham in that both of our faith justifies us before God only(Genesis 15:6, Romans 4:1-4)

Gombs:
2. He tithed to a priest of SAME order of priesthood as Jesus hence tithe is an eternal principle because the priesthood we belong to is forever

Heb 7
8 Furthermore, here [in the Levitical priesthood] tithes are received by men who are subject to death; while there [in the case of Melchizedek], they are received by one of whom it is testified that he lives [perpetually] .

We are under the priesthood of the order of Melchizedek, why? Because Jesus is of same order
Notice the bold above..THEY ARE was used and not IT WAS. But only Abraham physically paid tithe to Melchizedek! Why then use the word THEY which symbolizes plurality? It should be IT WAS...Question is, was that a typographical error?
It goes to show that though Abraham once paid tithe to that order physically, all which are his seed (those who belong to Christ) are doing same to that order when ever they bring their tithes...that is why we have that word THEY ARE and not IT WAS ...that order of Melchizedek and tithing is continual till eternity, AND tithing still goes to that order today and forever

There is only one reason for Hebrew 7 to mention tithing, Abraham, Melchizedek and Christ, in the same breadth: it is to show the greatness of Melchizedek's priesthood. A priesthood that is likened to that of Christ. If the writer could show that this priesthood is greater than that of Aaron, which the Jews saw as the highest religious figure in the land, then he could understand the greatness of Christ and their need to serve Him. This chapter does not teach that Christians should tithe. Such a conclusion can only be reached by an already pre-conceived tithe mindset. Nothing in Hebrew 7 can be stated thus: "Christians or the church should therefore tithe because Abraham gave a tithe to Melchizedek". You may help me with one verse in Hebrew 7 that can closest to that.

Gombs:

3. Mal 3 was written not to the levitical priests or Mosaic tithe laws, why?
Because it was written for a time to come, it talks of a later time or a messenger and messiah to come. It was written to scoffers who made fun about the coming of the messiah. Malachi was told to Look, to SEE with his Spirit eye...God said to him "Behold"

Mal 3v1
New Living Translation
"Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. Then the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his Temple. [size=16pt]The messenger of the covenant, whom you look for so eagerly, [/size] is surely coming," says the LORD of Heaven's Armies.


Here is a prophecy of the appearing of John the Baptist. He is Christ's harbinger. He shall prepare the way before Him, by calling men to repentance. The Messiah had been long called, He that should come, and now shortly he will come. He is the Messenger of the covenant. The covenant you and i belong to and enjoy

V3 and 4

3 He will sit like a refiner of silver, burning away the dross. He will purify the priests/sons of Levi , refining them like gold and silver, so that they may once again offer acceptable sacrifices to the LORD. 4 Then once more the LORD will accept the offerings brought to him by the people of Judah and Jerusalem, as he did in the past.


When that Messiah comes, He will refine the Levites (Levitical priesthood).Go study what he meant by refining the levitical priesthood "so that they can once again offer acceptable sacrifices to the lord".
Let me just help you cos you won't go study

The Messiah Jesus will also purify those around Him:
Like fire, He will burn away the impurities of the priests. Like soap, He will wash away their uncleanness ( Deuteronomy 4:29; Isaiah 1:25; Jeremiah 6:29-30; Ezekiel 22:17-22wink. The priests will then be able to offer sacrifices in righteousness (from a pure heart.)

He is talking about US, the new creation folks! We are the refined Priests, of the order of Melchizedek. Hallelujah!

And see that it says, that He will accept the offerings of the people of Judah and Jerusalem ONCE AGAIN as he did in the past.

Question is...why Judah? Why Jerusalem?

There is no doubt that Malachi, like many other Old Testament text, has a prophetic dimension foreshadowing the coming of Jesus. But everything the Old Testament said about Jesus was repeated in the New Testament text. Sometimes almost word for word.

So we saw the prophecy on John the Baptist and the New Testament confirms this. We see things spoken about the ministry of Jesus and yes, the New Testament confirms that (although a whole lot of things you quoted here also speaks of Christ's dealing with Israel in the millenium when Jesus shall reign over the Jews by fire by force after they had refused his Kingship at his first coming.

But alas, the New Testament said nothing about tithes and offering, as you will have us believe this text is saying. So the tithes and offerings aspect of this chapter is not prophetic. There is only one way to see this and that is to see it as it is: Malachi is written to the Jews with prophetic dimensions, like many other Old Testament texts; and these prophetic dimension are confirmed in the New Testament. The matter of bringing tithes and offering to the storehouse was a strictly Jewish thing and was not prophetic. The storehouse was not built by Moses but was a latter day innovation by I think Hezekiah, to store the tithes brought to the priests; and this was "tithes of tithes" brought by the Levithes to the Priests. So if there was not food in the storehouse, it was either the Jews were not paying their tithes, or the Levithes were not remiting the tithes of the tithes, or the Priest were not taking the 1% tithes to the storehouse. It is not a message to the church of Jesus!

Gombs:

The offerings in the latter days will be similar to those when the temple was first built.
The refiner’s fire and launderer’s soap (in verse 2) indicate the holiness and burning judgment of the Messiah Jesus when He returns to reign in Jerusalem at His second coming. His brightness and cleanliness will extend to those who serve Him, creating a cleansed temple and purified priesthood. “See, the Sovereign LORD comes with power, and his arm rules for him. See, his reward is with him, and his recompense accompanies him” ( Isaiah 40:10).

Now, from verses 6 downwards was a call to repentance. Notice he said he'd bless the tither, notice he said, "Test me in this and see if i will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out a blessing that there shall not be enough room to receive it"..Question is, did ANY levitical priest EVER blessed a tither? Melchizedek's order blesses a tither, Jesus is from same order, we are of that order too.

Question, those who tithed in the days of old under the Levitical priesthood, was it that God after more than 500years later suddenly changed him mind and included a blessing clause to tithing under Levitical order? and that coincided to when He was talking about the coming of a messiah?? same who He said was coming with a new covenant?

In short, I was just pointing out that Mal3 was for a latter time, a time talking of Christ and those he will purify, a time of new priests, a time of the new creation folks.

Like I have said, a lot of things in that chapter was prophetic pointing to Christ coming and the Millennium. Others were a direct message to the Jews. The one written on Christ coming we find in the New Testament. But let me say something about God and offering, God never asked for an offering from anyone [size=16pt]until[/size] Exodus 25 under Moses. And when he did, hear Him:

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering. 3 And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass, 4 And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats' hair, 5 And rams' skins dyed red, and badgers' skins, and shittim wood, 6 Oil for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense, 7 Onyx stones, and stones to be set in the ephod, and in the breastplate. 8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.

1. We see God asking men to bring an offering to Him
2. but it must be free will - willingly from the heart
3. That offering becomes His
4. Of all that was listed, non of them were tithable commodity under Moses (tithes were strictly agric produce)
5. It was always for purpose

That system has not changed till date. And that is what the law of first mention means. If were God first mentioned offering, he meant it to be free will, it has not changed till this moment:

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. - 2 Corinthians 9

In the New Testament no offering is taken in the church, the closest to it is a collection for suffering saints in Jerusalem. For a purpose. So if we take offering in church today, we are taking a collection, hopefully for a (verifiable and accountable) purpose too.

2. And that our faith is of Abraham, who tithed IN FAITH to a to a Priest of same order Jesus is of, an order which is eternal. Hence tithe is eternal, so is offering!

Like I said in the beginning, there is no such thing as tithing by faith. We are justified by faith, yes. We walk by faith, yes. But tithing by faith is the invention of modern day fraudsters!

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Gombs(m): 1:30pm On Nov 14, 2013
DrummaBoy:

There is no such thing as tithing by faith; it is nowhere stated in the whole of scripture. We share a similar faith with Abraham in that both of our faith justifies us before God only(Genesis 15:6, Romans 4:1-4)

But there is offerings by faith, yet no tithing by faith...you dey try o


There is only one reason for Hebrew 7 to mention tithing, Abraham, Melchizedek and Christ, in the same breadth: it is to show the greatness of Melchizedek's priesthood. A priesthood that is likened to that of Christ. If the writer could show that this priesthood is greater than that of Aaron, which the Jews saw as the highest religious figure in the land, then he could understand the greatness of Christ and their need to serve Him. This chapter does not teach that Christians should tithe. Such a conclusion can only be reached by an already pre-conceived tithe mindset.
Nothing in Hebrew 7 can be stated thus: "Christians or the church should therefore tithe because Abraham gave a tithe to Melchizedek". You may help me with one verse in Hebrew 7 that can closest to that.

Pls show me any place in the NT bible or OT bible where ANYBODY condemned tithing...don't worry I can wait for your answer.

Even when Heb 7 shows you Abraham's tithing to melchizedek in plurality...question is how many folks physically tithed to Melchizedek in the bible?

And you are here saying there is nothing as tithing by faith...who are the other ones that made Abraham's tithing plural?


There is no doubt that Malachi, like many other Old Testament text, has a prophetic dimension foreshadowing the coming of Jesus. But everything the Old Testament said about Jesus was repeated in the New Testament text. Sometimes almost word for word.

So we saw the prophecy on John the Baptist and the New Testament confirms this. We see things spoken about the ministry of Jesus and yes, the New Testament confirms that (although a whole lot of things you quoted here also speaks of Christ's dealing with Israel in the millenium when Jesus shall reign over the Jews by fire by force after they had refused his Kingship at his first coming.

But alas, the New Testament said nothing about tithes and offering, as you will have us believe this text is saying. So the tithes and offerings aspect of this chapter is not prophetic. There is only one way to see this and that is to see it as it is: Malachi is written to the Jews with prophetic dimensions, like many other Old Testament texts;

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and these prophetic dimension are confirmed in the New Testament. The matter of bringing tithes and offering to the storehouse was a strictly Jewish thing and was not prophetic. The storehouse was not built by Moses but was a latter day innovation by I think Hezekiah, to store the tithes brought to the priests;

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Keep thinking..Hezekiah had a latter day innovation Moses and Aaron couldn't think of


and this was "tithes of tithes" brought by the Levithes to the Priests.

See comedy


So if there was not food in the storehouse, it was either the Jews were not paying their tithes, or the Levithes were not remiting the tithes of the tithes, or the Priest were not taking the 1% tithes to the storehouse.

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Like I have said, a lot of things in that chapter was prophetic pointing to Christ coming and the Millennium. Others were a direct message to the Jews. The one written on Christ coming we find in the New Testament. But let me say something about God and offering, [size=16pt] God never asked for an offering from anyone [/size] until Exodus 25 under Moses. And when he did, hear Him:



What about Cain and Abel? Who taught them about offering?

What about Abraham, God asked for the son he Abraham loved

What about Noah, God asked him to take clean animals in sevens, male and female and unclean in pair (two only) male and female...you think God didn't knw noah who He(God) described as a perfect and just man would wanna offer him a CLEAN animal?

What about Jacob, etc

These men had faith! They knew what they should do. Abel for instant, who thought him to offer the best?



1. We see God asking men to bring an offering to Him
2. but it must be free will - willingly from the heart
3. That offering becomes His
4. Of all that was listed, non of them were tithable commodity under Moses ([ b]tithes were strictly agric produce [/b] )
5. It was always for purpose

Abraham's tithe...was it farm produce?

That system has not changed till date. And that is what the law of first mention means. If were God first mentioned offering, he meant it to be free will, it has not changed till this moment:

Why then don't you free willingly give your tithes? If it were to be free willed, why then did he say they rob him? It must have BEEN a MUST for God to say folks rob him of it, by not bringing it, no?

You see how you shoot yourself in the foot?


In the New Testament no offering is taken in the church, the closest to it is a collection for suffering saints in Jerusalem. For a purpose. So if we take offering in church today, we are taking a collection, hopefully for a (verifiable and accountable) purpose too.

When folks ministered to Jesus with their substance after he taught and healed,

1. Is that not an offering? abi na collection? grin ok, what was the purpose those folks gave JESUS their substances (money, food, perfume,yam, gucci shoes, ray ban glasses etc)?
2. Were the monies given to any suffering folks in any place?(now i am not saying it is wrong to give to the poor) I thought Jesus had a treasurer who kept the monies n all?


Like I said in the beginning, there is no such thing as tithing by faith. We are justified by faith, yes. We walk by faith, yes. But tithing by faith is the invention of modern day fraudsters!

But you give your offerings in what? As a favor to God OR IN FAITH? Or as something everyone does?

Without faith it is impossible to please God, without faith your offerings or tithes or prayers or worship or whatever would NEVER please God

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by ajayikayod: 2:41pm On Nov 14, 2013
Gombs:

The man Abraham did all he did in faith...remember he left his family and followed a God he has not seen nor heard of..Gen 12, is that not faith?

The only thing he did outta faith affected his seed and still is...and that was following Sarah's idea

Bro, we ar talking about faith here not. In Gen 12, a word (promise) was giving and he followed by faith.
But on giving tithe, u r still to show me whr Abraham tithe by faith. U placed ur claim on assumptions dt he did all in faith, which is not tru. If u follow d events by which he tithe u ll kno d following in sequence.

1. Abraham won a war and brought back spoils of war
2. Several kings come visiting becos of d great deliverance Abraham has experienced (unique victory)
3. Melchizedek as king and priest of MH met him and celebrated wit Abraham (brought bread/wine), definately not to collect share.
4. "When departing" He blessed Abraham afterwards Abraham gave him tenth of all (spoils). (note: italized text my own emphasis)

I giv a simple scenerio here.
A fellow believer experienced a breakthrough which call for great celebration. We all travelled thr to rejoice wit him, "d representativ of church" came across him too. Definately before they depart, he will want to bless d believer (Heb 7:7; d less is blessed of d better). He blessed him and in return d believer chose to offer him sometin, he chose to giv him 10% of all d spoils.

Was this a show of faith or a show of honor?

The new creation folks...we are a Royal Priesthood...same as Mechizedek is (notice I didn't say was)

Did you read that Mal 3 at all? The refined priests give the sacrifices...they do the offering themselves, they (new creation folks) are ALL priests...

KEYWORD is .. REFINED

d reason i didnt bother much about Mal 3, u quoted is becos i want u 2go back and start d reading from Mal 2 mayb u will get wat was bein discussed.

To help d study u can compare ds

Zac 13:9; This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”

1 Pet 4; you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

vs 9; But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

The refined people ar synonymous to praising God.

And by d way, its safer not to point to Mal 3 in discussing tithes not related to d Law. Becos i want to believ u kno believers ar not blessed on personal conditions.


All forms, monetary, physical and spiritual

Did melchizedek burn Abraham's sacrifice?[

I think d question should b, did Abraham offer sacrifice to Melchizedek?

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by ajayikayod: 2:57pm On Nov 14, 2013
Gombs:

But there is offerings by faith, yet no tithing by faith...you dey try o



Pls show me any place in the NT bible or OT bible where ANYBODY condemned tithing...don't worry I can wait for your answer.

Even when Heb 7 shows you Abraham's tithing to melchizedek in plurality...question is how many folks physically tithed to Melchizedek in the bible?

And you are here saying there is nothing as tithing by faith...who are the other ones that made Abraham's tithing plural?



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Keep thinking..Hezekiah had a latter day innovation Moses and Aaron couldn't think of



See comedy



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What about Cain and Abel? Who taught them about offering?

What about Abraham, God asked for the son he Abraham loved

What about Noah, God asked him to take clean animals in sevens, male and female and unclean in pair (two only) male and female...you think God didn't knw noah who He(God) described as a perfect and just man would wanna offer him a CLEAN animal?

What about Jacob, etc

These men had faith! They knew what they should do. Abel for instant, who thought him to offer the best?




Abraham's tithe...was it farm produce?



Why then don't you free willingly give your tithes? If it were to be free willed, why then did he say they rob him? It must have BEEN a MUST for God to say folks rob him of it, by not bringing it, no?

You see how you shoot yourself in the foot?



When folks ministered to Jesus with their substance after he taught and healed,

1. Is that not an offering? abi na collection? grin ok, what was the purpose those folks gave JESUS their substances (money, food, perfume,yam, gucci shoes, ray ban glasses etc)?
2. Were the monies given to any suffering folks in any place?(now i am not saying it is wrong to give to the poor) I thought Jesus had a treasurer who kept the monies n all?



But you give your offerings in what? As a favor to God OR IN FAITH? Or as something everyone does?

Without faith it is impossible to please God, without faith your offerings or tithes or prayers or worship or whatever would NEVER please God

Bros, so u believed in tithes according to Mal 3.
So Christ blood is not enough to nullify d curse of d tithe law (lik Joagbaje said). Bro, if ds is wat christiabity is, then we ar of all men most miserable. But praise be to God, Christ paid it all. I giv to honor him lik Abraham gav to honor Melchisedek, lik Christ gav to d church to honor d Father.

Dont be entangled wit d snare of tithing becos in it lies blessing and cursing, a man dt live by it will b justified by its obligation. We hav been justified fully by Christ by faith. I m not blessed becos i giv, i giv becos i m blessed!!

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Gombs(m): 3:19pm On Nov 14, 2013
ajayikayod:

[s]Bro, we ar talking about faith here not. In Gen 12, a word (promise) was giving and he followed by faith.
But on giving tithe, u r still to show me whr Abraham tithe by faith. U placed ur claim on assumptions dt he did all in faith, which is not tru. If u follow d events by which he tithe u ll kno d following in sequence.

1. Abraham won a war and brought back spoils of war
2. Several kings come visiting becos of d great deliverance Abraham has experienced (unique victory)
3. Melchizedek as king and priest of MH met him and celebrated wit Abraham (brought bread/wine), definately not to collect share.
4. "When departing" He blessed Abraham afterwards Abraham gave him tenth of all (spoils). (note: italized text my own emphasis)

I giv a simple scenerio here.
A fellow believer experienced a breakthrough which call for great celebration. We all travelled thr to rejoice wit him, "d representativ of church" came across him too. Definately before they depart, he will want to bless d believer (Heb 7:7; d less is blessed of d better). He blessed him and in return d believer chose to offer him sometin, he chose to giv him 10% of all d spoils.

Was this a show of faith or a show of honor? [/s]

What part of THE MAN DID ALL THINGS IN FAITH you didnt understand? hey, i am not here to convince you, im just here because of the viewers of this page...they can pick the truth for themselves.

d reason i didnt bother much about Mal 3, u quoted is becos i want u 2go back and start d reading from Mal 2 mayb u will get wat was bein discussed.

not interested in discussing mal 2...

To help d study u can compare ds

Zac 13:9; This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”

1 Pet 4; you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

vs 9; But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

mal 3 fulfilled and revealed by Peter by the help of the Holyspirit

The refined people ar synonymous to praising God.

wrong...they are the new creation folks


And by d way, its safer not to point to Mal 3 in discussing tithes not related to d Law. Becos i want to believ u kno believers ar not blessed on personal conditions.

God has laid down principles, faith is not what u use to get stuffs from God, it is what u use to please God..the only thing u could use. if you follow his laid down principle for something in faith, you will surely get that thing. for example, there are many ball games, if u want to prosper and be rich, u gotta find out what the bible said about financial prosperity. like i said there are many ball games, you cant use volleyball rules for football, nor can u use basketball rules for tennis... folllow his principle and you shall have what that principle says...if u want salvation, he has a principle on how u can get it...u have to follow that principle, else forget it


I think d question should b, did Abraham offer sacrifice to Melchizedek?

refer to my above posts

and for clarity sake, i dont intend to argue...i know you ae convinced on ur stand, and i am, i can never stop tithing, and you probably never will tithe..let us just leave it at that, and let the viewers of this page decide on which part the wanna thread.

and hey, tithing is not a weightier matter in Christianity..you guys make it look like it is all and all in tithing Churches

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by LambanoPeace: 3:56pm On Nov 14, 2013
Wow Gombs, i must say av lrnt alot from the abv.i almost got swayed to stop tithing some time ago when some other NLders kept stating it was wrong and it is done away with, now i know clerer...and you are most right when you said you would let viewers judge for themselves on which road they want to thread on... that is enough wisdom than getting into arguements and maybe it will get personal.

i for one has learnt a thing or two and as i got to learn tithing by faith, i usually tithed because others did, now i know better. whether tithing is abolished on not, i will be on a safe side because i will pay my tithes in faith and accurately.


and i just followed you, God bless you sir.

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Gombs(m): 4:18pm On Nov 14, 2013
^^

I'm glad I was of help.. I'm also glad you made the right choice.

I just followed you back! God bless u
Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Dereformer(m): 4:30pm On Nov 14, 2013
Joagbaje: Tithes and offerings are eternal principles . They existed before the levitical priest hood.
The kindom of God has many principles. Tithes , offering , alms giving ,fasting , prayer , worship etc. these principles had been there before the law or levitical priesthood.

Christians are not tithing just because the law say so. But rather because it's a principle . If you don't believe in tithing you should not believe in offerings also. Let's worship God with empty hand.


Principle! To what end?

Jesus said that Tithe is good but that there are more important things which tithe is not part of.

If tithe is as important as it is placed today, why didn't Jesus elaborate on it.

For me, I don't pay tithe and God has been blessing me.

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Nobody: 4:54pm On Nov 14, 2013
Gombs: ^^

I'm glad I was of help.. I'm also glad you made the right choice.

I just followed you back! God bless u
Gombs: ^^

I'm glad I was of help.. I'm also glad you made the right choice.

I just followed you back! God bless u
Thank you sir! For bringing fresh insight into tithing.

Just like joagbaje as stated i believe that the principles of TITHES AND OFFERINGS are legitimate kingdom dynamics and their practice must be based on the principles of Loyalty and Covenant rather than blind obedience.

God bless you richly sir!
Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by ajayikayod: 5:10pm On Nov 14, 2013
Gombs:

What part of THE MAN DID ALL THINGS IN FAITH you didnt understand? hey, i am not here to convince you, im just here because of the viewers of this page...they can pick the truth for themselves.

Every part o. U mentioned it and i asked u to show me whr someone gave tithe by faith. A believer got promoted in life, his pastor blessed him and God for his life, he then gav gift to honor his pastor and u called dt act of Faith. Bro, that is called HONOR. Abraham honored Melchisedek, not in expectation of anytin by faith as we should honor those who hav rule over us but not under compulsion or tithe (compulsory monthly wages).

In as much as d viewers can be blessed by wat we share now, u dont hav to refer to dt in our discussion. We are sharing scriptures, lets focus on dt and probably reach a meaninful conclusion. D whole matter is not about convincing u but to push to study (wit open mind) more and more ds doctrine. The Holy Spirit convince by d Word and dt is wat i m refering u too and i will always do.



not interested in discussing mal 2...

mal 3 fulfilled and revealed by Peter by the help of the Holyspirit

wrong...they are the new creation folks

I appreciate sharing d scriptures intoto. We cant neglect d beginining of things and cling to d end. The prophecy in Mal 3 started from Mal 2 but u neglect dt.


God has laid down principles, faith is not what u use to get stuffs from God, it is what u use to please God..the only thing u could use. if you follow his laid down principle for something in faith, you will surely get that thing. for example, there are many ball games, if u want to prosper and be rich, u gotta find out what the bible said about financial prosperity. like i said there are many ball games, you cant use volleyball rules for football, nor can u use basketball rules for tennis... folllow his principle and you shall have what that principle says...if u want salvation, he has a principle on how u can get it...u have to follow that principle, else forget it

Bro, u summed it up in d bolded above. The only rule, principle, law existing now with God is FAITH. Whether its basketball, volleyball, football as u mentioned. I dont recieve from God becos i giv, God gav me, so dt i can give. he showed up how to give by givin all (Christ) unconditionally. I giv to honor men of God, i giv to honor d church becos i ve been blessed by God.

I LOVE HIM NOT BECOS HE SAID I MUST BUT BECOS HE FIRST LOVED ME.
I GIV TO HIM NOT BECOS HE SAID I MUST GIVE BUT BECOS HE FIRST GAVE ME AND SHOWN ME HOW TO GIVE.


refer to my above posts

and for clarity sake, i dont intend to argue...i know you ae convinced on ur stand, and i am, i can never stop tithing, and you probably never will tithe..let us just leave it at that, and let the viewers of this page decide on which part the wanna thread.

and hey, tithing is not a weightier matter in Christianity..you guys make it look like it is all and all in tithing Churches

Lik i said earlier, i m concern about u first, then d viewers.
Tithe not weighter matter? I hope every tithe collector can see this and apply it in thr church because it seems to be the weightest tins ds days.
Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Gombs(m): 5:17pm On Nov 14, 2013
Bidam: Thank you sir! For bringing fresh insight into tithing.

Just like joagbaje as stated i believe that the principles of TITHES AND OFFERINGS are legitimate kingdom dynamics and their practice must be based on the principles of Loyalty and Covenant rather than blind obedience.

God bless you richly sir!

Flesh and blood has not revealed the above bold to you, but my father in heaven.

God bless you too

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by DrummaBoy(m): 7:34pm On Nov 14, 2013
Gombs:


What about Cain and Abel? Who taught them about offering?

What about Abraham, God asked for the son he Abraham loved

What about Noah, God asked him to take clean animals in sevens, male and female and unclean in pair (two only) male and female...you think God didn't knw noah who He(God) described as a perfect and just man would wanna offer him a CLEAN animal?

What about Jacob, etc

These men had faith! They knew what they should do. Abel for instant, who thought him to offer the best?

I will not bother to respond to the other things you wrote as rebuttal to my post. It is obvious to me that you love to play to the gallery, especially now that you are winning proselytes and disciples. In that one, I commend you.

But I will still crave your indulgence to study Exodus 25 very closely; let me help you with some of the text again:

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: [size=20pt]of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering[/size]. 3 And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass, 4 And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats' hair, 5 And rams' skins dyed red, and badgers' skins, and shittim wood, 6 Oil for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense, 7 Onyx stones, and stones to be set in the ephod, and in the breastplate. 8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. 9 According to all that I show thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it

I repeat again this is the first time God will be asking anyone in scriptures for an offering; the kind of offering that we prefer to call regular offerings or collections. The purpose of this offering was clear: to build the tabernacle. God gave this command along with the ten commandments on Sinai.

Prior to this time, the offering of Cain and Abel was in that same spirit: free will offering. And based on the state of their hearts (cheerful giving) God received Abel's and not Cain. God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son: He asked for a human offering to test him and not because he was a blood thirsty God. Every other time people gave to God before Exodus 25, it was free will offering. Even the Abram giving of tithe to Melchi is better seen as a free will offering than the legalistic tithing that you and your friends are making out to be.

When finally God will make a demand for an offering, he made it clear what it shall be: Free will offering. It has not changed then, it will not change now. I am stating this not for some to come after me and be saying now I am making a case for the law; No. I believe that there is a spirit and purpose for the law. It is all encompassing in the command to love God and our neighbour": this what translates to free will giving as God is demanding in the above text.

And notice that the items in this giving were gold, silver, brass, etc; in other words raw cash as we have today; this God demanded for but did not itemize when he was defining his tithe. I mean to show that God never asked for Gold, Silver, Brass, etc, as tithes from Israel. Not because the Israelites didn't have these things, but because those things do not consist of what God defines as tithes, as we are told today.

Leviticus 27
30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD. 31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. 32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. 33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed. 34 These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sina

Numbers 18
20 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I am thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel. 21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation. 22 Neither must the children of Israel henceforth come nigh the tabernacle of the congregation, lest they bear sin, and die. 23 But the Levites shall do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they shall bear their iniquity: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance. 24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance. 25 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.

Deuteronomy 14:
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, 27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. 28 At the[b] end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates[/b]: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Compare the items in Deuteronomy 14, Numbers 18 and Leviticus 27 with Exodus 25 and see if there is any similarity. There is none. God know his tithe, like Pastor Kun will say, what you are giving is nothing close to it. Some people have succeeded in cunning you to part forcefully with a tenth of your salary; rather than weep and growl in the bondage they have placed you in, you rather rejoice in it. It is not a new thing. It is not difficult to tithe - I know this, I did it for 15 years albiet ignorantly. It is more difficult not to tithe - standing in the liberty that God's truth brings, every time the guilt of wanting to part with 10% of my salary comes. It is called standing in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free. It is not difficult to be religious at all. That is the reason why despite all the truth we know in Christendom today, the largest denomination still remain Roman Catholics (Even the Catholics we learnt this lie from no longer tithe). And in spite of the truth we will learn of the tithe, a majority of Pentecostals will remain in that bondage - this is what Bidam never wants to hear.

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Gombs(m): 12:58am On Nov 15, 2013
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You busy lecturing us on Moses' tithe laws..why not spend energy on lecturing us on Abraham's tithing which you termed free will offering? You called it free willed offering yet the bible said it was a tenth of all (tithe). Question is, if it were a mere free willed offering, why then did he give a priest of the Most High 10% and the 90% he gave the king of Sodom? Of ALL the Kings Abraham met with, he randomly chose Mechizedek abi?

King of Sodom first went to meet Abraham o! Abraham give tithe to Melchizedek and the remaining 90% he gave it free willed...now you see there is a difference between Tithe and free will donation!

You dey try o

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by Goshen360(m): 1:10am On Nov 15, 2013
Gombs: ^^
You busy lecturing us on Moses' tithe laws..why not spend energy on lecturing us on Abraham's tithing which you termed free will offering? You called it free willed offering yet the bible said it was a tenth of all (tithe). Question is, if it were a mere free willed offering, why then did he give a priest of the Most High 10% and the 90% he gave the king of Sodom? Of ALL the Kings Abraham met with, he randomly chose Mechizedek abi?

King of Sodom first went to meet Abraham o! Abraham give tithe to Melchizedek and the remaining 90% he gave it free willed
...now you see there is a difference between Tithe and free will donation!

You dey try o

1. Then you deceive yourself AND OTHERS IF YOU ARE NOT DISTRIBUTING THE REST OF YOUR 90% ALSO AS A FREEWILL, thinking you're practicing Abraham's kind of tithing.

2. You tithe BASED ON THE LAW but turn around to claim your tithe is according to Abraham's example. Abraham didn't tithe for windows of heaven to open to him nor for him to be blessed. He was blessed and RICH BEFORE he tithe. Also, Melchizedek didn't show up to RECEIVE TITHE FROM ABRAHAM, HE SHOWED UP TO BLESS. Abraham was pronounced BLESSED first, not tithing in order to be blessed.

Do you see the difference between y'all mixture?

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Re: (law) Levites Have Commandment To Receive Tithe, Pastors Tday Were Not Commanded by BARRISTERS: 1:37am On Nov 15, 2013
Joagbaje: Tithes and offerings are eternal principles . They existed before the levitical priest hood.
The kindom of God has many principles. Tithes , offering , alms giving ,fasting , prayer , worship etc. these principles had been there before the law or levitical priesthood.

Christians are not tithing just because the law say so. But rather because it's a principle . If you don't believe in tithing you should not believe in offerings also. Let's worship God with empty hand.

YOU NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING BEFORE YOU PROCEED TO CONFUSE THEM UP BROTHER, KINDLY ANSWER THESE, MAKE THEM BRIEF NOT LONG EXPLANATIONS

(A) WHAT IS TITHE? DEFINATION

(B) DIFFERENTIATE TITHE/FIXED PERCENTAGE BEFORE LAW FROM NORMAL TAX(OBLIGATIONS)

(C) WHO RECEIVES TAX AND, WHO RECEIVES TITHE DURING PRE LAW AND POST LAW PERIOD

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