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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 9:53pm On May 06, 2016
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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by matrix600(m): 10:01pm On May 06, 2016
iamexcelblog:
I have been following this thread with keen interest. I consciously refused to comment since because I know what the turn out will be like. But at this stage, I refuse to be an on looker but a contributor for the thread to flow. I know some people will be accusing HardMirror of being a satanist and blah blah blah. But I can tell you guys he is not one based on personal experiences of my own when I rejected religion. There was nothing I was not accused of.... Even My own mother accused me of being a cultist, kidnapper, diabolic agent and what have you all in an effort to throw me off balance. But I knew deep down me that I was none of these. I knew I was not a cultist coz I have not joined one before and will not join one. I knew I was not a kidnapper because I have not thought of not to talk of kidnapping someone. I knew I was not into diabolics because right from childhood, I have never believed in those stuffs.

All in all, those accusations from her, priests and relatives were made to push me off balance. They wanted to attack my psyche which is partly how religion works. They will chain your senses (physically through lies/deception)and try to control you by words of mouth. If they succeed, they tell you that the holy spirit is in control but if they are unsuccessful, they say that satan is in control. The funny part is that if you compare your morality with that of those accusing you, you will find out that you are far off better than them! #Fact!

Everything aside Hardmirror, though I am an "Atheist" in quote, I want to assure you and fellow "Atheists" that there is a Creator. This creator or source or nature as I usually call it, is far above what humans can ever understand! It is unknowable and can never be known. No science, religion, spirituality or whatever can explain it. All these gimmicks you see humans perform in the form of science, religion or whatever are just basic attempts to understand what confuses them. Humans are just trying to give themselves hope by inventing a whole lot of things like religion, science and metaphysics.

But I do believe that there was an ORIGIN. I stand to be corrected though.





You're right, yes human beings wants to understand the world around them, but of all the institutions you mentioned, religion, science, metaphysics, which do you think has made the most realistic progress so far? obviously science. Science appeals to reason via mathematics and logic, research and experiments. religion gives you absolute answers, untested, some even claim to be the mouthpiece of the creator. Science has made more impact on human lives far more than religion. If the universe has an origin, isn't it best to rely on scientific explanations instead? Dont forget science doesn't claim absolutism, whenever a new knowledge is brought forth, the old one is discarded. So why dont we follow science to understand the world little by little as much as we can. Science explains reality in a physical sense, religion sees reality with their spiritual binoculars which sadly their interpretations contradicts each other in many ways. I still dont understand why religious people want finished answers in this world of so much uncertainty, when we can try to understand the world one step at a time. Its for the interest of everyone for science to lead the way. My one cent

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by cloudgoddess(f): 10:06pm On May 06, 2016
matrix600:
You're right, yes human beings wants to understand the world around them, but of all the institutions you mentioned, religion, science, metaphysics, which do you think has made the most realistic progress so far? obviously science. Science appeals to reason via mathematics and logic, research and experiments. religion gives you absolute answers, untested, some even claim to be the mouthpiece of the creator. Science has made more impact on human lives far more than religion. If the universe has an origin, isn't it best to rely on scientific explanations instead? Dont forget science doesn't claim absolutism, whenever a new knowledge is brought forth, the old one is discarded. So why dont we follow science to understand the world little by little as much as we can. Science explains reality in a physical sense, religion sees reality with their spiritual binoculars which sadly their interpretations contradicts each other in many ways. I still dont understand why religious people want finished answers in this world of so much uncertainty, when we can try to understand the world one step at a time. Its for the interest of everyone for science to lead the way. My one cent
Well stated.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by OgundeleT(m): 11:29pm On May 06, 2016
opeyemiolu:

Same here. Thanks to Johnnydon22 for giving me the courage to come out a little.
johnydon22.. see one of ur product, hell await you o. lols

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by OgundeleT(m): 11:33pm On May 06, 2016
dablazor:
Am glad I received a few positive feedbacks.

I'd like to point something out, christians on this thread and it's first part are mainly filled with religion fanatics who argue only just for the sake of clarity.
Might not be all of them, but reading some comments by christians and other religion followers on here attacking atheists and agnostic alike, and gently reinterpreting their undertones one would realize, they indeed need a push to abandon their believes they already on edge, they have already lost a chunk amount of their faiths that's why most are still hanging around.‎

I'd use this medium to appeal to non-believers in here, we all know how long it took for us to shake our believes, for pete's sake, many believers were introduced to religion before they even started crawling about, it's a belief system they've trusted for decades, it's not going to be easy, it's the biggest form of brain wash in our world, and it took a lot of soul searching for most of us to realize this.

I recall before I lost my faith and was searching for the truth, during my first degree, the first time I checked foreign religion blogs where atheists and likes converge, I didn't see a gathering of sane minds, it feels like those of devil reincarnates spreading the anti-christ gospel, heck it took a lot of chutzpah for me to realize I had been fed a whole bunch of colossal guano growing up.

So we should be lenient, most believers here are searching for the truth, that's why they keep coming back, soon they'd know the truth, and hopefully not too late and it would set them free.
Again thanks for relating your story to everyone @HardMirror, that takes chutzpah.
Other contributors in here, johnydon22, urahara‎, frank317 to mention a few, your contributions have being rather compelling and most believers have seen reason because of you guys.‎
Humanity would be set free soon.
Salud!‎
nice write up..thanks bro

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by HardMirror(m): 4:34am On May 07, 2016
I am sorry I kept you all waiting sometimes I just feel like laying back and reading comments


CONTINUATION....

Jesus loves me this I know,
For the Bible tells me so,
Little kids to him belong,
They are weak, but he is strong,
Yes Jesus loves me (clap clap clap)
Yes Jesus loves me (clap clap clap)
Yes Jesus loves me,
The bible tells me so.


We just moved to Jos from Sokoto, in Sokoto I had never heard a single christian song, Never heard anyone pray before, never heard anyone talk about Jesus. I had no christians around me. My dad was born a christian but did not go to church or pray.
The year was 1994, this was my first day in Junuco Nur & Pri Schl. Tudunwada, Jos, behind Mountain Green Hotel.
Don't be fooled by the name. This was one of the most posh schools in Jos at that time.
For the first time I found myself singing a song about Jesus. This song is the FIRST song ever telling me someone loves me.
Till date this song as a deep psychological effect on me. The message was just too strong. Jesus loves me, Jesus Loves me. Wow! I felt really important, I felt really good.
Why was this song so strong and why was it so important.
1. The song was for children primarily. Young impressionable minds.

2. Jesus Loves me! Very powerful words. You will want to know who this Jesus was. The song did not say, "Jesus loves YOU, it said Jesus loves ME!"
You are using your mouth to say Jesus loves you even if you did not know anything about Jesus. It is like a girl saying Hardmirror loves me. Automatically, she would fall in love with me.

3. "This I know". Did I know? I never knew Jesus loves me. But here I am saying "this I know" just because I was taught the song that way and everybody was singing it. But I was told the reason why I know he loves me in the next verse...

4. "For the bible tells me so". Oh the bible! Now it all makes sense. What ever the bible says is true! It is the word of God!

5. "They are weak, but he is strong" I have a big strong friend, a big brother, a big father. Wow! I am invincible. He goes everywhere I go. I am weak, but he is strong. No one can hurt me, he is watching over me! Feels good!

6. Then you end the song with "yes jesus loves me 3 times" then conclude with "the bible tells me so"

VERY VERY POWERFUL SONG. Well written and effective in deluding ANY KIDS mind. It does not matter the religion your parents practiced, all you have to do is sing this song everyday in school and you will end up a christian.

BUT not every one sang this song as kids, oh yeah you did even though you did not know. The message of the gospel is all encompassed in that little song. Even if you never heard the song that was basically the message that made all christians.
Jesus loves you
you should believe because that is what the bible says,
You are weak, he is strong
Believe because the bible tells you so.

Only a foool will still believe all that crap after growing up. Why?

So jesus loves you but hates millions of kids born into abject poverty and hunger. He loves you but hates all the kids born with terrible diseases and that would die young after suffering with the disease their whole lives. You must be a selfish buffon to think you are more deserving than others. You lie to yourself and say you are lucky to be among the chosen whereas you are just exercising your selfishness.

You say you are weak but he is strong. For real?
Reality does not agree. It seems you are strong but he is weak. He protects you from nothing! Do you know how good your life would have been if jesus actually answers just 1% of your prayers? Do you imagine how good your life would be if he talks to you just 5% of times you ask him questions? Think about it.

I wanted to love this jesus back. The jesus that died for me according to the bible.

Then the videos of jesus stories on christmas and every easter finished the job. It was impossible to even think of living without Jesus.

Thus my efforts to fight my diminishing belief in this Jesus and the bible. I ran from being a leader in my church to Life Oasis Church, a church of the word and spirit so I could find Jesus and fall in love with him all over again.
Even though I was an adult. I remember singing this my childhood song to reassure me.
I was not going to give room to the devil.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by HardMirror(m): 5:07am On May 07, 2016
CONTINUATION....

Now I am not a petty kind of person. I am a man that does what has to be done to get result. I don't allow emotions dictate to me. I don't allow fear. Infact I don't fear people. I once worked with a politician Dr. Agunloye who was running for governorship in Ondo state and I did not take bull shit from him or his campaign directors when they were trying to give me bullshit. Even my friends were shocked when I told the man to Bleep off and told him I quit from working with him.

That is the kind of person I am. Let your yes be your yes and your no be your no. I don't cover for anyone's sorry ass. I won't pretend that God was good when he was not.

So I requested a private session with Pastor Charlse. I had my questions ready. All along the man thought I was a new convert, he never knew my story. We arranged a private session and I met him at the agreed time.

I told him my story and why I started attending his church. I confessed how I was losing my faith to him and the questions that weighed my heart. "Sir, what makes the bible true? What makes all what we believe true?"

He smiled with confidence and started preaching to me from the bible and giving me some personal experiences. I realized he had no answers. All he was doing was asking me to just believe the bible and pray. I have been praying, I have read the bible. Nothing new here.

The whole religion was obviously built around human selfishness. Just make sure you make heaven he said. Oh! It is not my business that God allows people he claims to love and that he created to suffer and die of hunger and diseases? It is not my business that the bible has so many contradictions and some insane evil things God did? It is not my business that God has been failing to heal people? It is not my business that Jesus died in Jerusalem while it would take hundreds or of years for the gospel that was supposed to be man's only hope to reach even nearby regions? Billions would have died without ever hearing the name jesus. And yet that is God's perfect plan to save humanity? How daft can this God be?

I left his office that day pretending to have accepted his answers to my question when I discovered it was hopeless trying to get straight answers from him.

I remember getting home and saying "Fvck God!" This was the first time I would ever say this. I repeated it over and over again. I have tried to swallow your bullshit. Enough is enough.

From the very first day I started reading the bible from Genesis, you never made sense, but I swallowed it all believing the Holy spirit was giving me understanding wereas it was my own mind that was formulating excuses on God's behalf. I remember clearly how I kept bumping from terrible to more terrible unexplainable things in the bible, yet I swallowed it all. Damn! I laughed at myself. Men! This thing is total mind control. I kept laughing. It was as if I just found a pot full of gold.

That night I slept with the last words on my mouth "fvck you God, Fvck fvck and fvck you" and I went to sleep.

Yeah! I was damn angry! Very angry. I have wasted 20+ years of my life not living but being a zombie. I still believed God existed, but I was sure the bible was damn fake! So I set on quest for the truth.

The answer lies not in studying other religions, the answer was in studying human history. How did it all start?

Continued here: Part 3: Pastor To Atheist: Ask Me Any Question I Will Answer If Safe For Me

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by frank317: 6:26am On May 07, 2016
HardMirror:
CONTINUATION....
Now I am not a petty kind of person. I am a man that does what has to be done to get result. I don't allow emotions dictate to me. I don't allow fear. Infact I don't fear people. I once worked with a politician Dr. Agunloye who was running for governorship in Ondo state and I did not take bull shit from him or his campaign directors when they were trying to give me bullshit. Even my friends were shocked when I told the man to Bleep off and told him I quit from working with him.
That is the kind of person I am. Let your yes be your yes and your no be your no. I don't cover for anyone's sorry ass. I won't pretend that God was good when he was not.
So I requested a private session with Pastor Charlse. I had my questions ready. All along the man thought I was a new convert, he never knew my story. We arranged a private session and I met him at the agreed time.
I told him my story and why I started attending his church. I confessed how I was losing my faith to him and the questions that weighed my heart. "Sir, what makes the bible true? What makes all what we believe true?"

He smiled with confidence and started preaching to me from the bible and giving me some personal experiences. I realized he had no answers. All he was doing was asking me to just believe the bible and pray. I have been praying, I have read the bible. Nothing new here.
The whole religion was obviously built around human selfishness. Just make sure you make heaven he said. Oh! It is not my business that God allows people he claims to love and that he created to suffer and die of hunger and diseases? It is not my business that the bible has so many contradictions and some insane evil things God did? It is not my business that God has been failing to heal people? It is not my business that Jesus died in Jerusalem while it would take hundreds or of years for the gospel that was supposed to be man's only hope to reach even nearby regions? Billions would have died without ever hearing the name jesus. And yet that is God's perfect plan to save humanity? How daft can this God be?
I left his office that day pretending to have accepted his answers to my question when I discovered it was hopeless trying to get straight answers from him.
I remember getting home and saying "Fvck God!" This was the first time I would ever say this. I repeated it over and over again. I have tried to swallow your bullshit. Enough is enough.

From the very first day I started reading the bible from Genesis, you never made sense, but I swallowed it all believing the Holy spirit was giving me understanding wereas it was my own mind that was formulating excuses on God's behalf. I remember clearly how I kept bumping from terrible to more terrible unexplainable things in the bible, yet I swallowed it all. Damn! I laughed at myself. Men! This thing is total mind control. I kept laughing. It was as if I just found a pot full of gold.
That night I slept with the last words on my mouth "fvck you God, Fvck fvck and fvck you" and I went to sleep.
Yeah! I was damn angry! Very angry. I have wasted 20+ years of my life not living but being a zombie. I still believed God existed, but I was sure the bible was damn fake! So I set on quest for the truth.
The answer lies not in studying other religions, the answer was in studying human history. How did it all start?

Whoah!!!!

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by frank317: 6:32am On May 07, 2016
Is God everywhere? Does he read write ups in Nairaland. Is he seeing how 'his' irresponsibilities is making a whole lot of people doubt him.
Why the lingering silence?
Oh no... he is angry, he is adding more fuel to the fire he created for the devil (and of cos for humans who follow the devil) he will burn u all.

When u believe in a God u have never seen by faith, be rest assured that u will believe in everything.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 10:17am On May 07, 2016
GOD SHOULD LOVE HIMSELF HE DOESNT NEED US
LIKE JUSTIN BIEBER SAYS IN HIS SONG "IF YOU LIKE THE WAY YOU LOOK THAT MUCH OH BABY YOU SHOULD GO AND LOVE YOURSELF" GOD IS OMINI"EVERYTHING"

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Anjelus(m): 12:36pm On May 07, 2016
HardMirror:

Exactly! You know him. He is a bit bald. Very popular there and respected cos of his independence.
Problem is humans are generally weak and we all want to believe there is an Almighty God watching out for us. But if we really check, we would see that we are the ones always struggling to solve our own problems while giving glory to an imaginary god. As small as osogbo is owver the past 15 years there has been LOTS of crusades with thousands of healings, where are all the so called healed blind men living? Where are all the dumb people speaking? Where are all the lame walking? Where are they living that we don't know them or hear of them after the crusades.

Do you know what it means to be blind and everybody on your street knows you are blind for years and all of a sudden you start seeing for real. Do you think a single muslim will remain on such a street after witnessing God first hand?
Why do you think people are going from church to church looking for answer?
People are looking for answers and they seem to never find it, tho they keep lying to themselves that they have found it.
May God in His infinite mercy shine His face upon you because going by all you have written is obvious you have a very wrong notion about God from the beginning because Christianity is not about activity but relationship, how can you place your evaluation of God on mere working of miracles which can be done by a wizard or herbalist. God is beyond miracles my dear brother, in fact He says those who must serve Him must do so in Spirit and in Truth, as a result once you lose the faithfulness of God in your mind and in His Word then you have missed God. I have known this God for a long time and I have no iota of doubt that he exist and that He desires my worship above mere miracles and sentimental indications. THEREFORE, STOP BEING AN HINDRANCE TO PEOPLES FAITH AND KEEP YOUR DEMONIC INSPIRATION AND BELIEF TO YOURSELF, MY PRAYER FOR YOU IS THAT IT WILL NOT BE TOO LATE FOR YOOU TO RETRACE YOUR STEPS BACK. Meanwhile, for the christians here who allow this mere story to make them doubt what you believe, WATCH IT!!! BECAUSE THE MESSAGE OF THE CROSS IS FOOLISHNESS TO THEM WHO WILL PERISH BUT TO US WHO BELIEVE IT IS POWER.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by davien(m): 12:49pm On May 07, 2016
It's funny how humans have always been acting as a god/gods mouthpiece for ages immemorial...

"God told me to tell you... "

"God revealed it to me to tell you..."

"God gave me a vision that you.. "

"God directed me to let you know... "

No god/gods ever show themselves to the masses and talks to them directly, only by word of mouth(rumours) or some third party telling you what he thinks god/gods told him/her...

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by JustStardust: 1:00pm On May 07, 2016
davien:
It's funny how humans have always been acting as a god/gods mouthpiece for ages immemorial...

"God told me to tell you... "

"God revealed it to me to tell you..."

"God gave me a vision that you.. "

"God directed me to let you know... "

No god/gods ever show themselves to the masses and talks to them directly, only by word of mouth(rumours) or some third party telling you what he thinks god/gods told him/her...

This has always appalled me. I once asked a group of fellas arguing about what god said and how they can discern his voice to shut the hell up. Let this god speak and let everyone hear all at once jare.

Saying "thus saith the lord" is awfully convenient for believers. Especially priests, imams and prophets.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by davien(m): 1:05pm On May 07, 2016
JustStardust:


This has always appalled me. I once asked a group of fellas arguing about what god said and how they can discern his voice to shut the hell up. Let this god speak and let everyone hear all at once jare.

Saying "thus saith the lord" is awfully convenient for believers. Especially priests, imams and prophets.
lol exactly.... Gather all these so-called men of God and ask them to say what God wants in one voice and you begin to hear comma and apostrophe...

Average human beings getting high on their own hormones and morale and dishing out whatever sounds like God to them from their heads... while on lookers cheer ignorantly and empty their wallets for an hour of a man telling you his mind..

People want to feel loved, as babies we crave maternal affection... now growing up to a mortal world with impending demise of everyone you ever cared about what humans have always done is to craft an immaterial affectionate mother, which are god/gods or a philosophy of life.

There's no shortage of god/gods on the planet yet none have ever talked to the human race collectively.... one seeks the Arabs as his, one seeks the Chinese, one seeks the Africans, one seeks the British, yet we are all the same humans from the same gene pool...

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Anjelus(m): 1:36pm On May 07, 2016
davien:
lol exactly.... Gather all these so-called men of God and ask them to say what God wants in one voice and you begin to hear comma and apostrophe...

Average human beings getting high on their own hormones and morale and dishing out whatever sounds like God to them from their heads... while on lookers cheer ignorantly and empty their wallets for an hour of a man telling you his mind..

People want to feel loved, as babies we crave maternal affection... now growing up to a mortal world with impending demise of everyone you ever cared about what humans have always done is to craft an immaterial affectionate mother, which are god/gods or a philosophy of life.

There's no shortage of god/gods on the planet yet none have ever talked to the human race collectively.... one seeks the Arabs as his, one seeks the Chinese, one seeks the Africans, one seeks the British, yet we are all the same humans from the same gene pool...
YOU CANNOT BE MORE ATHEIST THAN HOWARD STORM - Howard Storm Near Death Experience-The Atheist That Meet Jesus
Howard Storm

HOWARD STORM, THE ATHEIST THAT MET THE LORD.
Before his near-death experience, Howard Storm was an atheist1. A Professor of Art at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man by his own admission. who would not tolerate anyone speaking about religion or God in his presence, and especially in his classroom.


An experience in Paris changed all that and completely altered Howard's life. After he "died" in a Paris hospital, in 1985, he met Jesus, who answered all of his questions. He was an avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn’t find joy in anything. Anything that wasn’t seen, touched or felt, he had no faith in.

He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what science said, there was nothing else. But then on June 1, 1985, at the age of 38, Howard Storm’s had a near-death experience due to a perforation of the stomach and his life was since forever changed.

His near-death experience is one of the most profound, if not the most profound, afterlife experience I have ever documented. His life was so immensely changed after his near-death experience, he resigned as a professor and devoted his time attending the United Theological Seminary to become a United Church of Christ minister.

Today, Howard Storm is presently happily married to his wife Marcia and is Pastor of the Covington United Church of Christ in Covington, Ohio. During his past time he has maintained his passion for painting but now, unlike in his past, he paints with a God state of mind which raises his paintings to a whole other level.

On this website Pastor Storm shares a unique look at his paintings and the effect Jesus Christ has on his daily life and on his paintings. The following is the account of Pastor Howard Storm's near-death experience.

I was a 38 years old college professor taking some students on a tour of Europe with my wife on a 3 week tour. We were in Paris, precisely 11 am when, I had an acute pain in my stomach. The pain was so excruciating that I was screaming and twisting all over.
PLS GOGGLE AN READ...... JESUS LOVES YOU ALL.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by davien(m): 1:50pm On May 07, 2016
Anjelus:
YOU CANNOT BE MORE ATHEIST THAN HOWARD STORM - Howard Storm Near Death Experience-The Atheist That Meet Jesus
Howard Storm

HOWARD STORM, THE ATHEIST THAT MET THE LORD.
Before his near-death experience, Howard Storm was an atheist1. A Professor of Art at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man by his own admission. who would not tolerate anyone speaking about religion or God in his presence, and especially in his classroom.


An experience in Paris changed all that and completely altered Howard's life. After he "died" in a Paris hospital, in 1985, he met Jesus, who answered all of his questions. He was an avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn’t find joy in anything. Anything that wasn’t seen, touched or felt, he had no faith in.

He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what science said, there was nothing else. But then on June 1, 1985, at the age of 38, Howard Storm’s had a near-death experience due to a perforation of the stomach and his life was since forever changed.

His near-death experience is one of the most profound, if not the most profound, afterlife experience I have ever documented. His life was so immensely changed after his near-death experience, he resigned as a professor and devoted his time attending the United Theological Seminary to become a United Church of Christ minister.

Today, Howard Storm is presently happily married to his wife Marcia and is Pastor of the Covington United Church of Christ in Covington, Ohio. During his past time he has maintained his passion for painting but now, unlike in his past, he paints with a God state of mind which raises his paintings to a whole other level.

On this website Pastor Storm shares a unique look at his paintings and the effect Jesus Christ has on his daily life and on his paintings. The following is the account of Pastor Howard Storm's near-death experience.

I was a 38 years old college professor taking some students on a tour of Europe with my wife on a 3 week tour. We were in Paris, precisely 11 am when, I had an acute pain in my stomach. The pain was so excruciating that I was screaming and twisting all over.
PLS GOGGLE AN READ...... JESUS LOVES YOU ALL.

Amazing, "I cannot be more atheist"... lol grin

I don't know when atheism became a competition to see who is more atheist than the rest... grin

Another hell fire fear mongering account of Hell.. Spare me the story of some random ex-atheist "professor".

It's funny how you want to convince me of your religion through "near-death experiences" but wildly ignore those that happens to Christians that make them become Muslim,atheist,etc.... I'm sure you think those are fake and yours are 100% legit..

I barely take fully thinking human accounts of religious experiences as-is, what makes you think I'd take the account of someone not in his right senses and being pumped full with mind altering anaesthetics in the hospital?

Or can god only show you something when you're under the influence of ether?

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Anjelus(m): 2:17pm On May 07, 2016
davien:


Amazing, "I cannot be more atheist"... lol grin

I don't know when atheism became a competition to see who is more atheist than the rest... grin

Another hell fire fear mongering account of Hell.. Spare me the story of some random ex-atheist "professor".

It's funny how you want to convince me of your religion through "near-death experiences" but wildly ignore those that happens to Christians that make them become Muslim,atheist,etc.... I'm sure you think those are fake and yours are 100% legit..

I barely take fully thinking human accounts of religious experiences as-is, what makes you think I'd take the account of someone not in his right senses and being pumped full with mind altering anaesthetics in the hospital?

Or can god only show you something when you're under the influence of ether?
hAHAHAHA....... Why did you allow the devil to take total control of your mind? That Prof has seen the two sides of the coin and decided to hold on to the truth, why you are still under the satan orchestrated delusion about christianity. I pray for your speedy recovery in Jesus name. Meanwhile, read this with an open mind from Prof Howards experience: When the review was finished they asked, "Do you want to ask any questions?" and I had a million questions. I asked, for example, "What about the Bible?" They responded, "What about it?"

I asked if it was true, and they said it was. Asking them why it was that when I tried to read it, all I saw were contradictions, they took me back to my life's review again - something that I had overlooked. They showed me, for the few times I had opened the Bible, that I had read it with the idea of finding contradictions and problems. I was trying to prove to myself that it wasn't worth reading.

I observed to them that the Bible wasn't clear to me. It didn't make sense. They told me that it contained spiritual truth, and that I had to read it spiritually in order to understand it. It should be read prayerfully. My friends informed me that it was not like other books. They also told me, and I later found out this was true, that when you read it prayerfully, it talks to you. It reveals itself to you. And you don't have to work at it anymore.

My friends answered lots of questions in funny ways. They really knew the whole tone of what I asked them, even before I got the questions out. When I thought of questions in my head, they really understood them.

I asked them, for example, which was the best religion. I was looking for an answer which was like, "Presbyterians." I figured these guys were all Christians. The answer I got was, "The best religion is the religion that brings you closest to God." Asking them if there was life on other planets, their surprising answer was that the universe was full of life. JESUS IS LORD!!!
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by DipoDee: 2:39pm On May 07, 2016
undecided

Welldone, Hardmirror.

The fortunate unfortunate thing about this thread is that, the Christians/Moslems who view it all know that their god don't answer prayers, some of them have prayed and fasted and cried, some have blamed god, threatened god, cajoled god, tested god, toasted god, bribed god but dammit, god HAS NEVER ANSWERED their prayers...not even ONCE.


But then, church is entertainment for most, it is like a social gathering done once or twice a week, the nude girls, the 'worldly' songs, the businessmen cum motivational speakers(named pastors) and the state of the art musical instruments that makes them forget their sorrow once in a while. People who hold on to religion don't have a choice until they start to use their brains... It's actually better to have them believe in god(esp in Nigeria) than to take that away from them...what else do they have? Nothing is working, no hope for the common man except his belief in god and false miracles.


The suffering out here(in Nigeria) is too much, and even though god is not answering prayers, at least, let them believe he will, one day.


Note: If you have proof of answered prayers, pls state them without lies, arguments or insults.
And I'm not talking about malaria induced confessions, suffering-induced hallucinations, mental-illness induced confessions caused by the abject suffering in Nigeria/Africa and the lies you lot love to cook like chicken soup.

Thanks undecided

Again, the voice in your head you call god, is nothing more than the signs and symptoms of mental-illness, unfortunately there are no psychologists and psychoanalysts to attend to the masses in Nigeria, hence the pastorprenuers will keep having a field day.
Btw, ain't you all ashamed and disgusted that your big shots in the NIGERIAN RELIGION INDUSTRY like Adeboye, Olukoya, Joshua, etc haven't yet seen a vision to locate the Chibok girls.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by davien(m): 2:40pm On May 07, 2016
Anjelus:
hAHAHAHA....... Why did you allow the devil to take total control of your mind? That Prof has seen the two sides of the coin and decided to hold on to the truth, why you are still under the satan orchestrated delusion about christianity. I pray for your speedy recovery in Jesus name. Meanwhile, read this with an open mind from Prof Howards experience: When the review was finished they asked, "Do you want to ask any questions?" and I had a million questions. I asked, for example, "What about the Bible?" They responded, "What about it?"

I asked if it was true, and they said it was. Asking them why it was that when I tried to read it, all I saw were contradictions, they took me back to my life's review again - something that I had overlooked. They showed me, for the few times I had opened the Bible, that I had read it with the idea of finding contradictions and problems. I was trying to prove to myself that it wasn't worth reading.

I observed to them that the Bible wasn't clear to me. It didn't make sense. They told me that it contained spiritual truth, and that I had to read it spiritually in order to understand it. It should be read prayerfully. My friends informed me that it was not like other books. They also told me, and I later found out this was true, that when you read it prayerfully, it talks to you. It reveals itself to you. And you don't have to work at it anymore.

My friends answered lots of questions in funny ways. They really knew the whole tone of what I asked them, even before I got the questions out. When I thought of questions in my head, they really understood them.

I asked them, for example, which was the best religion. I was looking for an answer which was like, "Presbyterians." I figured these guys were all Christians. The answer I got was, "The best religion is the religion that brings you closest to God." Asking them if there was life on other planets, their surprising answer was that the universe was full of life. JESUS IS LORD!!!
Don't frustrate yourself buddy, go and advertise near death experiences to someone ignorant.. Just hope he/she doesn't ask you why only those that favour you are credible...

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Anjelus(m): 2:55pm On May 07, 2016
DipoDee:
undecided

Welldone, Hardmirror.

The fortunate unfortunate thing about this thread is that, the Christians/Moslems who view it all know that their god don't answer prayers, some of them have prayed and fasted and cried, some have blamed god, threatened god, cajoled god, tested god, toasted god, bribed god but dammit, god HAS NEVER ANSWERED their prayers...not even ONCE.


But then, church is entertainment for most, it is like a social gathering done once or twice a week, the nude girls, the 'worldly' songs, the businessmen cum motivational speakers(named pastors) and the state of the art musical instruments that makes them forget their sorrow once in a while. People who hold on to religion don't have a choice until they start to use their brains... It's actually better to have them believe in god(esp in Nigeria) than to take that away from them...what else do they have? Nothing is working, no hope for the common man except his belief in god and false miracles.


The suffering out here(in Nigeria) is too much, and even though god is not answering prayers, at least, let them believe he will, one day.


Note: If you have proof of answered prayers, pls state them without lies, arguments or insults.
And I'm not talking about malaria induced confessions, suffering-induced hallucinations, mental-illness confessions induced by the abject suffering in the nation and the lies you lot love to cook like chicken soup.

Thanks undecided

Again, the voice in your head you call god, is nothing more than the signs and symptoms of mental-illness, unfortunately there are no psychologists and psychoanalysts to attend to the masses in Nigeria, hence the pastorprenuers are having a field day.


Mr Man, dont talk about what you dont know, Our God is still in the business of answering prayers, the condition is that you must believe, ask yourself why it took a woman with the issue of blood to get her healing quicker than the many crowd that flog around Jesus, because she believed that by touching Him, she would be healed and it was so. In 2006, my wife went for an interview with Oceanic bank and after one week they sent her an email that she ws unsuccessful, she became dejected. So I asked her to print the rejection email and bring it to me, she did and we cancelled the letter by faith and requested for a successful one in agreement. Glory be to God, after two weeks she was invited for another interview with the same bank and was employed. I can count more than ten other miraculous things God has done since then. So dont be deluded that God answers prayer, however, even if God does not answer prayer, he remains my God forever because my relationship with Him is not based on answering prayer but feeling the warmth of His presence in every area of my life. Jesus Is Lord.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by Nobody: 3:10pm On May 07, 2016
Anjelus:
Mr Man, dont talk about what you dont know, Our God is still in the business of answering prayers, the condition is that you must believe, ask yourself why it took a woman with the issue of blood to get her healing quicker than the many crowd that flog around Jesus, because she believed that by touching Him, she would be healed and it was so. In 2006, my wife went for an interview with Oceanic bank and after one week they sent her an email that she ws unsuccessful, she became dejected. So I asked her to print the rejection email and bring it to me, she did and we cancelled the letter by faith and requested for a successful one in agreement. Glory be to God, after two weeks she was invited for another interview with the same bank and was employed. I can count more than ten other miraculous things God has done since then. So dont be deluded that God answers prayer, however, even if God does not answer prayer, he remains my God forever because my relationship with Him is not based on answering prayer but feeling the warmth of His presence in every area of my life. Jesus Is Lord.
Pheeeew!!!

This guy just dragged us back to the 1st century all over again!

It's exhausting. Anyone else prepared to engage this guy?

Okay...

Mr Anjelus, follow the link bellow, read through its 47 pages, then come back and make your claims.

https://www.nairaland.com/3078223/pastor-atheist-why-never-christian

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by DipoDee: 3:21pm On May 07, 2016
Anjelus:
Mr Man, dont talk about what you dont know, Our God is still in the business of answering prayers, the condition is that you must believe, ask yourself why it took a woman with the issue of blood to get her healing quicker than the many crowd that flog around Jesus, because she believed that by touching Him, she would be healed and it was so. In 2006, my wife went for an interview with Oceanic bank and after one week they sent her an email that she ws unsuccessful, she became dejected. So I asked her to print the rejection email and bring it to me, she did and we cancelled the letter by faith and requested for a successful one in agreement. Glory be to God, after two weeks she was invited for another interview with the same bank and was employed. I can count more than ten other miraculous things God has done since then. So dont be deluded that God answers prayer, however, even if God does not answer prayer, he remains my God forever because my relationship with Him is not based on answering prayer but feeling the warmth of His presence in every area of my life. Jesus Is Lord.

...when you are in a failed society, getting a job after duly studying for years is considered a miracle.

Your argument is same with that of all Christians who feel the need to defend god...most tell ridiculous lies and give false testimonies. They are all around me.

Anjelus, I actually need superior argument not some job thing where HR managers get changed, systems develop glitches, Applicants get reviewed and recalled to take up a job they were initially denied by some overzealous HR persons. Btw, you keep rubbishing god, telling us he actually has the time to provide a job for your wife but looks on at ritualists plucking a little boy's eyes out and the other ills happening in the world.


NEXT!!


..and pls don't come back to ask me not to question god or to tell me his ways are not my ways..
I know that getting your wife a job is more important to god than saving the chibok girls, I know ok smiley

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by DipoDee: 3:24pm On May 07, 2016
Pyrrho:
Pheeeew!!!

This guy just dragged us back to the 1st century all over again!

It's exhausting. Anyone else prepared to engage this guy?

Okay...

Mr Anjelus, follow the link bellow, read through its 47 pages, then come back and make your claims.

https://www.nairaland.com/3078223/pastor-atheist-why-never-christian

cheesy cheesy
It's not him really, it's the mental-illness induced by the sufferings of a failed society - where graduates study for 5years then pray for another 5years to get a job.

...it is even important to let these people have their god, nothing else is working.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by JustStardust: 4:03pm On May 07, 2016
Anjelus:
YOU CANNOT BE MORE ATHEIST THAN HOWARD STORM - Howard Storm Near Death Experience-The Atheist That Meet Jesus
Howard Storm

HOWARD STORM, THE ATHEIST THAT MET THE LORD.
Before his near-death experience, Howard Storm was an atheist1. A Professor of Art at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man by his own admission. who would not tolerate anyone speaking about religion or God in his presence, and especially in his classroom.


An experience in Paris changed all that and completely altered Howard's life. After he "died" in a Paris hospital, in 1985, he met Jesus, who answered all of his questions. He was an avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn’t find joy in anything. Anything that wasn’t seen, touched or felt, he had no faith in.

He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what science said, there was nothing else. But then on June 1, 1985, at the age of 38, Howard Storm’s had a near-death experience due to a perforation of the stomach and his life was since forever changed.

His near-death experience is one of the most profound, if not the most profound, afterlife experience I have ever documented. His life was so immensely changed after his near-death experience, he resigned as a professor and devoted his time attending the United Theological Seminary to become a United Church of Christ minister.

Today, Howard Storm is presently happily married to his wife Marcia and is Pastor of the Covington United Church of Christ in Covington, Ohio. During his past time he has maintained his passion for painting but now, unlike in his past, he paints with a God state of mind which raises his paintings to a whole other level.

On this website Pastor Storm shares a unique look at his paintings and the effect Jesus Christ has on his daily life and on his paintings. The following is the account of Pastor Howard Storm's near-death experience.

I was a 38 years old college professor taking some students on a tour of Europe with my wife on a 3 week tour. We were in Paris, precisely 11 am when, I had an acute pain in my stomach. The pain was so excruciating that I was screaming and twisting all over.
PLS GOGGLE AN READ...... JESUS LOVES YOU ALL.
.

And here we have yet another caricature of an atheist. Harsh, angry and cruel as an atheist. Meek and kind as a xtian. Convenient. Reminds me of that fatuous christian movie "God is not dead"

And then we see another fallacy. Becoming a xtian does not make it true. Whether u were a muslim, Hindu or atheist before. He had a chemical-based experience. And so what? No objective evidence, all subjectiVe reasons. In contrast, all who drop their faiths completely do so on the basess of full examination of the facts and facing up to the naked unkind truth; No one is up there watching out for us. We are all alone. We make our own purpose for there is no purpose in Nature.


I am yet to see a religious person who became an atheist because of a near-dEath experience Vision.

Note dt if d man were in India, it would've been Vishnu speaking to him in his visions and our dear fellow would'Ve gone all Hindu on us grin grin

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by JustStardust: 4:11pm On May 07, 2016
DipoDee:
undecided

Welldone, Hardmirror.

The fortunate unfortunate thing about this thread is that, the Christians/Moslems who view it all know that their god don't answer prayers, some of them have prayed and fasted and cried, some have blamed god, threatened god, cajoled god, tested god, toasted god, bribed god but dammit, god HAS NEVER ANSWERED their prayers...not even ONCE.


But then, church is entertainment for most, it is like a social gathering done once or twice a week, the nude girls, the 'worldly' songs, the businessmen cum motivational speakers(named pastors) and the state of the art musical instruments that makes them forget their sorrow once in a while. People who hold on to religion don't have a choice until they start to use their brains... It's actually better to have them believe in god(esp in Nigeria) than to take that away from them...what else do they have? Nothing is working, no hope for the common man except his belief in god and false miracles.


The suffering out here(in Nigeria) is too much, and even though god is not answering prayers, at least, let them believe he will, one day.


Note: If you have proof of answered prayers, pls state them without lies, arguments or insults.
And I'm not talking about malaria induced confessions, suffering-induced hallucinations, mental-illness induced confessions caused by the abject suffering in Nigeria/Africa and the lies you lot love to cook like chicken soup.

Thanks undecided

Again, the voice in your head you call god, is nothing more than the signs and symptoms of mental-illness, unfortunately there are no psychologists and psychoanalysts to attend to the masses in Nigeria, hence the pastorprenuers will keep having a field day.
Btw, ain't you all ashamed and disgusted that your big shots in the NIGERIAN RELIGION INDUSTRY like Adeboye, Olukoya, Joshua, etc haven't yet seen a vision to locate the Chibok girls.



In the TV show House, M.D , Dr. House once said; If u talk to God you are religious, if God talks to you, your are psychotic!
grin

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by JustStardust: 4:14pm On May 07, 2016
DipoDee:


...when you are in a failed society, getting a job after duly studying for years is considered a miracle.

Your argument is same with that of all Christians who feel the need to defend god...most tell ridiculous lies and give false testimonies. They are all around me.

Anjelus, I actually need superior argument not some job thing where HR managers get changed, systems develop glitches, Applicants get reviewed and recalled to take up a job they were initially denied by some overzealous HR persons. Btw, you keep rubbishing god, telling us he actually has the time to provide a job for your wife but looks on at ritualists plucking a little boy's eyes out and the other ills happening in the world.


NEXT!!


..and pls don't come back to ask me not to question god or to tell me his ways are not my ways..
I know that getting your wife a job is more important to god than saving the chibok girls, I know ok smiley

Dude! You have spoken wll!

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by AmbodOfLASU: 5:28pm On May 07, 2016
HardMirror:

Noticed you from the very beginning of my other thread. smiley Always reading without commenting, but you were always there.

Yes, it would be wicked to to take that away from them. Reason why I keep repeating it that my story is not to convert anyone but make information and my experience available with those struggling with their religious inclination.

Bro, are u based in Lagos? Am a student from Lagos State University.
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by johnydon22(m): 7:47pm On May 07, 2016
OgundeleT:
johnydon22.. see one of ur product, hell await you o. lols
Hahahahahaha
Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by stonemasonn: 8:14pm On May 07, 2016
HardMirror:
CONTINUATION....
Now I am not a petty kind of person. I am a man that does what has to be done to get result. I don't allow emotions dictate to me. I don't allow fear. Infact I don't fear people. I once worked with a politician Dr. Agunloye who was running for governorship in Ondo state and I did not take bull shit from him or his campaign directors when they were trying to give me bullshit. Even my friends were shocked when I told the man to Bleep off and told him I quit from working with him.
That is the kind of person I am. Let your yes be your yes and your no be your no. I don't cover for anyone's sorry ass. I won't pretend that God was good when he was not.
So I requested a private session with Pastor Charlse. I had my questions ready. All along the man thought I was a new convert, he never knew my story. We arranged a private session and I met him at the agreed time.
I told him my story and why I started attending his church. I confessed how I was losing my faith to him and the questions that weighed my heart. "Sir, what makes the bible true? What makes all what we believe true?"

He smiled with confidence and started preaching to me from the bible and giving me some personal experiences. I realized he had no answers. All he was doing was asking me to just believe the bible and pray. I have been praying, I have read the bible. Nothing new here.
The whole religion was obviously built around human selfishness. Just make sure you make heaven he said. Oh! It is not my business that God allows people he claims to love and that he created to suffer and die of hunger and diseases? It is not my business that the bible has so many contradictions and some insane evil things God did? It is not my business that God has been failing to heal people? It is not my business that Jesus died in Jerusalem while it would take hundreds or of years for the gospel that was supposed to be man's only hope to reach even nearby regions? Billions would have died without ever hearing the name jesus. And yet that is God's perfect plan to save humanity? How daft can this God be?
I left his office that day pretending to have accepted his answers to my question when I discovered it was hopeless trying to get straight answers from him.
I remember getting home and saying "Fvck God!" This was the first time I would ever say this. I repeated it over and over again. I have tried to swallow your bullshit. Enough is enough.

From the very first day I started reading the bible from Genesis, you never made sense, but I swallowed it all believing the Holy spirit was giving me understanding wereas it was my own mind that was formulating excuses on God's behalf. I remember clearly how I kept bumping from terrible to more terrible unexplainable things in the bible, yet I swallowed it all. Damn! I laughed at myself. Men! This thing is total mind control. I kept laughing. It was as if I just found a pot full of gold.
That night I slept with the last words on my mouth "fvck you God, Fvck fvck and fvck you" and I went to sleep.
Yeah! I was damn angry! Very angry. I have wasted 20+ years of my life not living but being a zombie. I still believed God existed, but I was sure the bible was damn fake! So I set on quest for the truth.
The answer lies not in studying other religions, the answer was in studying human history. How did it all start?
Yes
That's where all the answers are. Study human history also with the help of archeology, anthropology, and add psychology. Every thing will become clear to you.

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by dazzlingd(m): 9:00pm On May 07, 2016
stonemasonn:
Yes
That's where all the answers are. Study human history also with the help of archeology, anthropology, and add psychology. Every thing will become clear to you.
anyone who studies these will definitely have their faith in religion shaken. Most African Muslims and christians are so ignorant and they don't read hence still backward with stone age ideas. you will see graduates that still think dat the earth is about 6000 years old or that our solar system of 9 planets is all that exists in the universe. so sad

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by swaggzo(m): 11:06pm On May 07, 2016
esere826:
Hardmirror

Kudos on your post. I think you actually concluded your conversion story in your 1st thread. I suspect this thread only gives meat to your arguments.

You were once a christian, so I am sure you'd understand the feeling of those of us that will try to shut you up, insult you, and condemn you to hell.

Interestingly, even some of the apostles if they were around, might do the same. Its human nature and hardly peculiar to christians.

However, lets assume that Jesus actually was what he was made out to be (I believe he was, and let's not bother about the concept of God at this point).. I am convinced that he would not have condemned you, then and even now. In fact, I suspect that he would have rebuked the christian hawks circling you right now

..he probably would have with a smile told you "come"

You have experienced the fire of logic, which as burnt and is still burning away illogicals from where they were enthroned in your innermost recess. If for any reason you get into the faith again, it would be as a finer you without the frivolity of absurdities.

Till then, stay blessed beloved of Christ




YOU ARE REASONABLE!

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Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by HardMirror(m): 11:56pm On May 07, 2016
Anjelus:
Mr Man, dont talk about what you dont know, Our God is still in the business of answering prayers, the condition is that you must believe, ask yourself why it took a woman with the issue of blood to get her healing quicker than the many crowd that flog around Jesus, because she believed that by touching Him, she would be healed and it was so. In 2006, my wife went for an interview with Oceanic bank and after one week they sent her an email that she ws unsuccessful, she became dejected. So I asked her to print the rejection email and bring it to me, she did and we cancelled the letter by faith and requested for a successful one in agreement. Glory be to God, after two weeks she was invited for another interview with the same bank and was employed. I can count more than ten other miraculous things God has done since then. So dont be deluded that God answers prayer, however, even if God does not answer prayer, he remains my God forever because my relationship with Him is not based on answering prayer but feeling the warmth of His presence in every area of my life. Jesus Is Lord.

Are you through displaying your stupidiity?

No LeT's GET DOWN TO BUSINESS!

This was on front page today. A BOY BORN WITHOUT ANUS! www.nairaland.com/3091779/baby-born-without-anus-jos

Open the thread and see the stuppid prayers christians are praying there. Even saying God has a purpose for the child not having an anus.


Please kindly explain to us. If God exists why should he allow a child to be born without anus?
1. Are we supposed to pray for the boy?

2. Are we supposed to take the boy for surgery?

The correct answer is obvious.

So if God exists why create a boy without anus ony for doctors to be the ones putting effort to fix the boy.

Note this is a very simple surgery for doctors to perform, yet TOTALLY IMPOSSiBLE FOR PRAYER TO FIX.

How long shall we lie to our selves?

Now can you shut the fvck up!!! This thread is not for stupiid people!

At this point it only makes sense to open a church and take advantage of you fooools.

I am so pissed of right now with your level of stvpidity.

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