tpiah*:

dementia isnt too far from you people.

Tudor, Bindex and others of like mind, pull up any thread where I've done any of the things you're claiming here.


couple of schizos.

The bottom line is that if he were a moslem sharing his story about how he left islam for christianity you will NEVER make that comment simple.

tpiah*:

dementia isnt too far from you people.

Tudor, Bindex and others of like mind, pull up any thread where I've done any of the things you're claiming here.


couple of schizos.


Unlike you, my philosophy doesnt consist of cheap publicity on the web.

sharrap there jor!
Hypocrite!

What a shame on our ignorant fathers, what a shame. Mazaje father is busy regreting by now. God is not asleep.

Mazaje and tudor narration is a great lesson for me and other good muslim ummah not to marry a christian or jew.

christian and jewish women won't give you the time of the day anyway.

Yeah. They are just thief, they marry us because of our wealth and lie to revert to Islam,

nice write up, MAZAJE, we expecting the rest

huxley. I believe in God but do not subscribe to any religion.

I think personal conscience and inner growth are the keys.

Deep Sight:

huxley. I believe in God but do not subscribe to any religion.

I think personal conscience and inner growth are the keys.

Does the god you believe in intervene in the world, or in human affairs? Why do you find the narratives of the religions unconvincing?

the problem with threads like this is that you can hardly have a decent discussion before it descends into abuse. Olaadegbu made a simple claim and all he's got is undeserved abuse? Why?

Abuzola:

What a shame on our ignorant fathers, what a shame. Mazaje father is busy regreting by now. God is not asleep.

Mazaje and tudor narration is a great lesson for me and other good muslim ummah not to marry a christian or jew.

Who told you that his father is "busy regretting"? Who in her sensible mind will marry somebody like you?

Kayi shuru ka kiyale mutani mahaukachin banza.

Abuzola:

What a shame on our ignorant fathers, what a shame. Mazaje father is busy regreting by now. God is not asleep.

Mazaje and tudor narration is a great lesson for me and other good muslim ummah not to marry a christian or jew.

That's because the islamic narration falls apart under close scrutiny. Its because islam is itself a poor plagiarism of judaism. It is quite clear that allah put that did not want muslims to discover the truth so he forbade muslim women from marrying non-muslim men but actively encourages the reverse hoping to lure away shaky christian women into islam by guile and force.

Deep Sight:

I think personal conscience and inner growth are the keys.

ditto!! 

I don't believe in God, but I believe it matters how we treat each other and our environment.

Deep Sight:

huxley. I believe in God but do not subscribe to any religion.

I think personal conscience and inner growth are the keys.

pardon me but keys to what exactly?

bindex:

The bottom line is that if he were a moslem sharing his story about how he left islam for christianity you will NEVER make that comment simple.

seriously, what part of "take everything with a grain of salt" do you and Todor not understand?

what's my business with whichever religion someone decides to leave or stay in? I dont take those kinds of internet postings that serious  and I suspect you're either confusing me with someone or wishing I was someone for reasons best known to you.

Am I clear, do you need it broken down further, or you prefer to wallow in your self deceit?

tpia@:

seriously, what part of "take everything with a grain of salt" do you and Todor not understand?

what's my business with whichever religion someone decides to leave or stay in? I dont take those kinds of internet postings that serious  and I suspect you're either confusing me with someone or wishing I was someone for reasons best known to you.

Am I clear, do you need it broken down further, or you prefer to wallow in your self deceit?

See how you're desperately trying to justify your hypocrisy. . . . . Who'd you think you're deceiving?

How many of your posts or replies have you added as a disclaimer "I take this with a grain of salt" ?
Its here when it involves an atheist that you conviniently remember you're a doubting thomas. . . .not suprising is it?

OLAADEGBU:

The likes of Kunleoshob/Jagoon and others come to mind.

@OLAADEGBU
Are you okay at all or how does this thread concern me I have been a consisitent advocate for the true gospel of our lord Jesus christ on this forum preaching that the church should return to true christianity as exemplified by the apostles in the bible instead of the man made religion widely practised today in the name of christianity that as been corrupted by your likes and other preachers greedy for filthy lucre and you start accusing me of being an atheist just becos i expose the faults in the heretic man made doctrines that have gained popularity in your churches today. You know it is the likes of olaadegbu that come to mind when i read what our lord Jesus christ said in this passage: 8 ‘These people[OLAADEGBU & likes] honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas[compulsary monetary tithes from income and other heresies] as commands from God.’Matthew 15:8-9 As i told you earlier you honestly need to repent from your false and evil ways, give your life to christ and serve in in truth and in faith and not just with your lips as christ stated above. It is people like you with your false and dogmatic version of christianity that actually drive people to atheism, if christianity had't been corrupted by deluded goons like you i am sure Mazaje would still be a christian today.

@bindex, yanzu nasan kai dan ta'addane, banza kawai

Abuzola:

@bindex, yanzu nasan kai dan ta'addane, banza kawai

Uwar ka che yar ta'adda shege, mahaukachin banza.

@bindi, yanzu nasan kai jaki ne, iyayen ku basu tarbiyantar da ku ba. Kuma inda kayi wasa zan fada wa duniya cewa kai mazaje ne, shin kana zaton ban sani bane ? Tsartso kawai

You can see the confusion and madness that is called christianity. Every body is busy attacking the next person that disagrees with his own version and interpretation of the whole tale as exemplified on this thread with the likes of Oladegbu vs KunleOshob.

Oladegbu comes with different convoluted theories about how the stories in the bible can be proved using mathematics or how science supports the account of genesis, he always refers people to a website called answers in genesis whose methods have been discredited by other christians who have said that the owner misleads people about science and the christian theology itself, he does not only believe in the stories of the bible through faith as the book it self tells people to do but he also believe that he can provide evidence for everything that is written in the bible either through maths, science or some other ways. When his ridiculous explanations fall short he then turns around and say that christianity is a personal relationship between a christian and jesus forgetting that he was all over the place showing that christainty can be supported and provided evidence for by maths, physics and other sciences that completely disagree with what is written is the bible.

I just don't get this, is christianity a personal relationship with jesus through faith as the bible says it is or is it the  nonsense "proof" or "evidence" that you are constantly deluding yourself thinking you have provided? I don't know how you guys carry along with all this double-faced attitude of yours. One minute christianity is a personal relationship with the christian god through faith that only the holy spirit can teach another minute christianty can be shown to be true through maths and physics. You are completely deluded I must say.

Abuzola:

@bindi, yanzu nasan kai jaki ne, iyayen ku basu tarbiyantar da ku ba. Kuma inda kayi wasa zan fada wa duniya cewa kai mazaje ne, shin kana zaton ban sani bane ? Tsartso kawai

Yanzu na san chewa kai mahaukachi ne, wawan banza.

@bindex, thats very good of u, for discovering that christianity is full confussion. You can imagine them saying fornication is not a sin. What a free world

@ bindex and tudor,
Honestly tipia* doesn't have time to support or talk against any religion, i have never seeing her doing something like that, all i know she does is displaying her marital frustration and personal insanity.

It is a not a good story when one stops believing Jesus died for our sins and redeemed us from our sins through that selfless act. We as chrisitians should guard our actions and words with the gospel and stay away from all this psychological claptrap that is some of the sermons we listen to today. The words of our Lord in Matt 5:13 should guide us.

People like Mazaje have been let down by contemporary Christians and those who believe only people in London, New York and Johannesburg need Jesus. This expose has made us realise that there are souls in the Far East waiting to hear the Gospel of Jesus.

bindex:

Oladegbu comes with different convoluted theories about how the stories in the bible can be proved using mathematics or how science supports the account of genesis, he always refers people to a website called answers in genesis whose methods have been discredited by other christians who have said that the owner misleads people about science and the christian theology itself, he does not only believe in the stories of the bible through faith as the book it self tells people to do but he also believe that he can provide evidence for everything that is written in the bible either through maths, science or some other ways. When his ridiculous explanations fall short he then turns around and say that christianity is a personal relationship between a christian and jesus forgetting that he was all over the place showing that christainty can be supported and provided evidence for by maths, physics and other sciences that completely disagree with what is written is the bible.

Olaadegbu, a rejoinder is needed earnestly!!

banom:

@ bindex and tudor,
Honestly tipia* doesn't have time to support or talk against any religion, i have never seeing her doing something like that, all i know I display my marital frustration and personal insanity.

the three of you really need to get off my matter before I get on your case.

I know how to deal with swine like you.

Branom defend me again on this forum and see what will happen to you.  Dem swear for your lineage or did your mother's crack smoking boyfriend introduce you to the drug. Dont answer the question, fool.

Chaai, see what the thread has become,

Mazaje can you pls continue on with your story, Merci beaucoup!

bindex:

Oladegbu comes with different convoluted theories about how the stories in the bible can be proved using mathematics or how science supports the account of genesis, he always refers people to a website called answers in genesis whose methods have been discredited by other christians who have said that the owner misleads people about science and the christian theology itself, he does not only believe in the stories of the bible through faith as the book it self tells people to do but he also believe that he can provide evidence for everything that is written in the bible either through maths, science or some other ways. When his ridiculous explanations fall short he then turns around and say that christianity is a personal relationship between a christian and jesus forgetting that he was all over the place showing that christainty can be supported and provided evidence for by maths, physics and other sciences that completely disagree with what is written is the bible.

I just don't get this, is christianity a personal relationship with jesus through faith as the bible says it is or is it the nonsense "proof" or "evidence" that you are constantly deluding yourself thinking you have provided? I don't know how you guys carry along with all this double-faced attitude of yours. One minute christianity is a personal relationship with the christian god through faith that only the holy spirit can teach another minute christianty can be shown to be true through maths and physics. You are completely deluded I must say.

Your answer is that Christianity is having a personal relationship with the Creator God while to be religious like most theists is to know something about the Unknown God. An illustration is those who have a mental assent of the Queen Elizabeth of England and her husband and children who have personal relationships with her, you can see that we who only read about her will have a superficial knowledge about her but her husband can tell you that he really knows her. That is the difference with those who have a personal relationship with the Creator God and those have read about Him but have not committed nor trust their lives unto Him. It is one thing to believe or have a mental assent of a parachute and it is entirely different if you put the parachute on when you are about to jump from a plane. Just believing the parachute will not do you any good when you are about to take a jump, you have to put it on. So, putting on Christ is trusting your life into His hands as you jumpt through the doors of death.

Christians believe the Bible as foundational to all their thinking including maths, biology, history, geology and other sciences. The Bible is not only a spiritual book it is also the History Book of the Universe and it tells us the future destiny of the universe. It gives us an account of when time began, the main events of history, such as the entrance of sin and death into the world, the time when the whole surface of the globe was destroyed by water, the giving of different languages at the Tower of Babel, the account of the Son of God coming as a man, His death and Resurrection, and the new heavens and earth to come. So, when real scientists make their discoveries they will find out that it supports all the claims of the Bible and that is why I try to point that out.

Quote from: Deep Sight on 29:08:09 at 08:03:59 PM    

i hope mazaje's story (Be it real or imagined) will help christiam fanatics see that the world is too big anmd diverse for everybody to subscribe to one religion.

Of course there are millions of people who have lived and died without ever hearing of the jewish carpenter. Its really silly to imagine that they are all damned as a result. If that were true, certainly all our forefathers are in hell. Not to talk about the billions of red indians, asians, etc who have lived and died within their own culture, not ever hearing of the jewish magician.

No one will go to hell because they haven't heard of Jesus Christ.  The heathen will go to hell for murder, rape, adultery, lust, theft, lying, etc.  Sin is not failing to hear the gospel.  Rather, sin is the transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4).  If a man jumps out of a plane without a parachute, he will perish because he transgressed the law of gravity.  Had he put on a parachute, he would have been saved.  Sin is not "failing to believe in Jesus."  Sin is transgression of the Law.  If we who call ourselves Christians and really care about the lost, we will become missionaries to such remote areas and not just where the £'s and $'s are and take the good news of God's forgiveness in Christ to them.

OLAADEGBU:

So, when real scientists make their discoveries they will find out that it supports all the claims of the Bible and that is why I try to point that out.

Who are the "real" scientist and what have they discovered? Is it the "scientist" Ken Ham the fonder of answers in genesis the "scientific" site you love invoking even though other christian scientist like Hugh Norman Ross have said Ham deliberately misleads people not only about science but about christain theology itself? You are just dancing all over the place one minute your religion is all about faith and personal relationship with your god the next minute its all about proof and evidence using maths, science and logic that is available for all to see. So which is it really?

Lmao.

Oladegb your turn,

bindex:

Who are the "real" scientist and what have they discovered? Is it the "scientist" Ken Ham the fonder of answers in genesis the "scientific" site you love invoking even though other christian scientist like Hugh Norman Ross have said Ham deliberately misleads people not only about science but about christain theology itself? You are just dancing all over the place one minute your religion is all about faith and personal relationship with your god the next minute its all about proof and evidence using maths, science and logic that is available for all to see. So which is it really?

Most of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science where biblical Christians who were creationists.  Let me give you a few samples:

Physics:  Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Kelvin

Chemistry: Boyle, Dalton, Pascal, Ramsay

Biology: Ray, Linnaeus, Mendel, Pasteur

Geology: Steno, Woodward, Brewster, Agassiz

Astronomy: Kepler, Galileo, Herschel, Maunder

A creationist and theologian, Henry Morris and Gary Parker says "these men, as well as scores of others who could be mentioned, were creationists, not evolutionists, and their names are practically synonymous with the rise of modern science.  To them, the scientific enterprise was a high calling, one dedicated to "thinking God's thoughts after Him."

Here is another quote from Arthur H. Compton, winner of Nobel Prize in Physics:

"Science is the glimpse of God's purpose in nature.  The very existence of the amazing world of the atom and radiation points to a purposeful creation, to the idea that there is a God and an intelligent purpose back of everything . . . An orderly universe testifies to the greatest statement ever uttered: 'In the beginning, God . . .'"

Johann Kepler: "The chief aim of all investigation of the external world should be to discover the rational order and harmony which has been imposed on it by God."

Lord Kelvin: "With regard to the origin of life, science . . . positively affirms creative power."

Sir Isaac Newton: "All material things seem to have been composed of the hard and solid particles above mentioned, variously associated in the first creation by the counsel of an intelligent Agent. For it became Him who created them to set them in order. And if He did so, it's unphilosophical to seek for any other origin of the world, or to pretend that it might arise out of a chaos by the mere laws of nature."

"An increasing number of scientists, most particularly a growing number of evolutionists . . . argue that Darwinian evolutionary theory is no genuine scientific theory at all . . . Many of the critics have the highest intellectual credentials." -- Michael Ruse, "Darwin's Theory: An Exercise in Science," New Scientist

And this is what a Jewish scientists who is obviously influenced by the Jewish Scriptures had to say:

Albert Einstein: "Science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with inspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of Religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith."

OLAADEGBU:



Sin is not failing to hear the gospel.  Rather, sin is the transgression of the Law

What about someone who hears the gospel and rejects it, but lives a very decent life

what about if this person was of another faith, say, shango worshipper, but didn't break the law, yet rejected christ

what if the person lived a decent life. . bar maybe some victimless shit like gets drunk and does drugs every now and then, or masturbates to pornography.

Have they each sinned?

what do u think each of these person's fate would be?